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Duffy Declares for Republic

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It was on the local news yesterday that Shane Duffy - despite having been through the underage ranks for N.I - is declaring for the Republic of Ireland.

Personally as a fan I think it's great that there'll be two emerging Evertonians in the Republic's squad in the future. It also means that Duffy will be playing with better players on the international scene and therefore will have more capacity to improve.
Ciarán McGlone, Belfast     Posted 24/02/2010 at 07:51:13

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Shane Corcoran
1   Posted 24/02/2010 at 15:26:59

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That would make you similar to him then Ciarán, being from the north? I’m also delighted from a international perspecive.
Dick Anderson
2   Posted 24/02/2010 at 15:31:27

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Personally I think this kind of thing should be stopped.

Northern Ireland have spent a lot of time and money developing Duffy through the various International youth levels.

For Duffy to now change his mind and play for another International side is very unfair and shows a lack of character by Duffy.

Just imagine if Everton had a youngster who they developed through the youth ranks and then when it was time to sign a professional contract he snubbed us and signed for Liverpool.

There should be a law which says if you play for a country at any level you are permanently attached to said country.
Stan Sheppard
3   Posted 24/02/2010 at 15:46:53

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Dick, I know what your saying and I can understand what you mean, but to say that a country, in this case, Northern Ireland, developed Duffy, is wide of the mark. Yes he has played a number of youth internationals, but he has not been given a football education by the IFA. That is not to say they haven’t had a percentage roll in his imrpovement. The majority however, has come from Everton and which ever other club(s) he has been at as a boy.

The FIFA rules on this have been changed a few times, after reaching full international level and satisfying the criteria I think he should be free to make his own choice, just as big Vic did. Northern Ireland, or any other nation don’t need players who don’t want to play for them.
Neil Waring
4   Posted 24/02/2010 at 16:09:20

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I’m surprised they don't play as a united Ireland, like the rugby... but maybe there is some political reason I've missed!
John Keating
5   Posted 24/02/2010 at 16:14:53

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I think you should only play for the country of your birth.
However, if you were born to say British parents while they were working in Zambia then you should have a choice.
The Republic seem to have excelled in luring players who’s grannys cousin was born in Cork etc
Ciarán McGlone
6   Posted 24/02/2010 at 16:40:41

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Dick,

He was brought through the ranks of N.I youth teams because the Republic are prevented from organising in the north....Therefore those who consider themselves Irish are effectively disenfranchised until they have enough clout to do something about it....



John, by virtue of self-determination - Duffy is Irish.
Rich Williams
7   Posted 24/02/2010 at 17:00:26

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I think this one may just come down to which side of the fence you sit on ;-) Can of worms
John Keating
8   Posted 24/02/2010 at 16:55:07

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Think this may be a thread that could cause problems cos of the political ramifications. Probably if it were two other countries, say France and Germany, it may be more clear cut and less confrontational.

Maybe I was a bit naive initially saying country of birth, I just assumed The Republic was separate from the North - sorry for any offence, not intended

Gareth Humphreys
9   Posted 24/02/2010 at 17:09:27

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Like all of our players, I would prefer he retired from international football the moment he breaks into our first team.
Ciarán McGlone
10   Posted 24/02/2010 at 17:28:11

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No offence taken at all mate..

Personally I have sympathy with the N.I supporters as they’re losing a decent prospect..but to be honest, the player should have the choice at international level...FIFA have already run a mile from this one...Line of least resistance...
Sean McCarthy
11   Posted 24/02/2010 at 17:30:17

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I understand his father is from the Republic which would be one reason for him to qualify to play for them. Also I seem to recall reading somewhere that the Republic team will allow anyone born on the ISLAND of Ireland to represent them.

Duffy may also look at the 2 teams and think Northern Ireland are pants!!
Ian McPherson
12   Posted 24/02/2010 at 17:31:07

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Ciaran that post could have been a fire starter.

If you are born in Northern Ireland you are entitled to a Rep & UK passport. It is up to the individual which one he considers himself. Personally I am glad too!

Rumors in the Republic is that Tony Hibbert has an Irish Grandmother and there has been talks??
Philip Bunting
13   Posted 24/02/2010 at 17:22:33

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John Keating - You are correct, Northern Ireland is a seperate country from Republic of Ireland, we use Sterling with the queens head on it and they use Euros....Now, i am a season ticket holder at Windsor Park and have been for nigh on 10 years. Duffy progressed through the local ranks, captained various age groups then abononed the country of his birth to play for the Republic. Lets say for instance that we had a player at Everton who progressed through our ranks say another Rooney but when he hit the right age to sign a contract opted to sign for Liverpool..How would you feel after bringing him on since say 9 year old? Be honest. Obviously the players who do this have political motives, needs to stop or the Northern Ireland FA should be financially compensated by the Republics IFA....Have to say i will be with drawing my support for Duffy from now on, hope he fails to make the grade and ends up at Acrington Stanley....
Christopher McCullough
14   Posted 24/02/2010 at 17:54:05

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Actually a guy I played underage football with-Sammy Joe Clingan-chose to play for the North having supported the Free State team when we were kids.

Shane went the other way-so what! It’s up to him.


I’d support him in a blue shirt either way.
Giles Larkman
15   Posted 24/02/2010 at 18:15:53

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Good for him, as a professional footballer it makes the most sense for him. What I didn’t understand, is why Nigel Worthington was moaning about all the effort the N.I FA had put into Duffy’s progress, being wasted. Surely, most of the work being put into Duffy’s development was at club level(!)

Either way, good luck to Duffy in trying to break into the Ireland’s first XI.
Shane Corcoran
16   Posted 24/02/2010 at 18:32:40

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I think that once you play at any level for a country then that should be that-no changing. I think if he wanted to play for Ireland then he should have held out for his chance. He’s from just beside the border and has his family have always considered themselves Irish. I think it was under the Good Friday agreement that anyone on the island of Ireland can hold an Irish passport so it differs from most other situations. Given his name I assume he’s a catholic. And Philip before you get up on your high horse maybe in the back of some catholic’s minds is the fact that some of your fellow "fans" threatened to kill Neil Lennon because he had the cheek to play for Celtic. This was followed by some really brave fans saying that he should have continued to play for the North. Not having a go at you but maybe just something to consider.
Chris Butler
17   Posted 24/02/2010 at 18:33:54

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It should be stopped the countless amount of Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats thtat have elected to play for Croatia and Serbia anger me as their still Bosnian. I’m sorry but how can you ever heal old wounds if people like him re open them for many. I’ve never supported England passionately preffering to support the underdog. Duffy perhaps could of just made the decsion on a purely Football as ROI are a better side than NI.
Eugene Ruane
18   Posted 24/02/2010 at 18:31:52

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Phillip Bunting

Bet you were really rooting for Neil Lennon then?

http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/5011125/192499-main_Full.jpg

Nap!
Neal Sutherland
19   Posted 24/02/2010 at 18:25:16

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Ciaran,

The reason the FAI aren’t allowed to organise in NORTHERN IRELAND is because it is exactly that, NORTHERN IRELAND. The REPUBLIC OF IRELAND, a seperate nation (or whatever you want to call it) is the 26 counties of the southern area represented by the FAI. The 6 counties in the Northern part of the island, called NORTHERN IRELAND, which has been in existence for nearly a century now, are represented by the IFA. 2 seperate countries with 2 seperate governments, and 2 seperate flags, and guess what? 2 seperate football associations.

When it comes to National teams you should play for and support the country of your birth. And then not be able to switch them in this pathetic way. Exactly like Sammy Clingan and Niall McGinn have done. But some people like to make it political, and then pretend it’s not.

And to say that NI haven’t developed him is just ridiculous. Haven’t they coached him through his young years? I think they have contributed just a tad.

As for "playing with better players on the international scene" , when was the last time the Republic beat teams with the calibre of Spain, Sweden or England? And, isn’t it currently very close in the FIFA rankings? In fact for a couple of years there, weren’t we well above the Republic? Don’t worry, they’re rhetorical questions I certainly already know the answers to.
Connor Rohrer
20   Posted 24/02/2010 at 18:50:55

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Who’s to say one of his parent’s isn’t from the Republic? He’s always said he’s egible to play for both Countries, Northern and Republic of Ireland.

Just a thought, it could be a family thing. But saying that, he has left it very late.
Christopher McCullough
21   Posted 24/02/2010 at 19:03:57

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Conor,

Parentage is irrelevant in this unique situation. As a citizen of Northern Ireland I can play for the Republic aswell.

Yes it is late and the majority of Northern Ireland fans deserve better.



Eugene Ruane
22   Posted 24/02/2010 at 18:52:03

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According to Neal Sutherland..

"When it comes to National teams you should play for and support the country of your birth"

Always baffled me that kind of thinking

I mean if you were born in a row-boat EXACTLY half-way between to countries, where are you ’from’?

Not a likely situation I admit, but a valid enough bit of nonsense when it comes to the crack-pot arguments you get when bigoted loons come together to ’rationally’ discuss things.

Personally I’d be happy with it.

Not only would it have meant John Barnes playing for Jamaica, but also Terry Butcher playing for Singapore and THAT I’d have paid to see.
Connor Rohrer
23   Posted 24/02/2010 at 19:09:09

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Christopher McCullough,

Thanks for the info, is that the same for every one from Northern Ireland or just those with connections to the Republic?
Christopher McCullough
24   Posted 24/02/2010 at 19:13:01

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It’s the same for everyone Connor and we can have an Irish passport too.

Got your name right this time, sorry.
Stuart O'Malley
25   Posted 24/02/2010 at 18:50:36

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Neal. how many tournaments have NI qualified for in the last 25 years ? One. The Republic : 4 . Also, the IFA called him up to play when required, and then he was coached when with them for up coming matches, tournaments etc., the everyday coaching and development was done by his club side, not the national one . His father was borne in the Republic, and he himself regards himself as Irish which he is entitled to do by law i.e. get a Irish passport . Why should he stick by a decision he made when he was a young child, are people not allowed choose there own paths as they grow up ? A nine year old child is not going to turn down the chance to play for a national side and try and learn as much as he can . To suggest that he stick by a choice he made as a very young child is just plain silly . Philip, to say you will not follow him now in an Everton shirt because of his decision,is based on politics . The decision Shane made has nothing to do with politics, its to do with representing your country, and in his case he sees that as Ireland, again something he is legally entitled to do . It is people like Philip who make it political, or why else give up following him in a blue shirt ? Would Philip and Neal feel the same if he decided to play for England ? Anyway, Everton comes first, everytime .
Brendan O'Doherty
26   Posted 24/02/2010 at 19:10:54

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His family are all from Co. Donegal so of course it was highly likely he was going to opt for Trap’s chaps when push came to shove.


"Have to say i will be with drawing my support for Duffy from now on, hope he fails to make the grade and ends up at Acrington Stanley.... "
Utterly disgraceful comment not to back one of our own players. It is the same reason I have never been nor ever would go to Windsor Park. COYBIG
Brendan O'Doherty
27   Posted 24/02/2010 at 19:24:52

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Eugene Ruane - brilliant
Des Farren
28   Posted 24/02/2010 at 19:39:47

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Philip & Neal
FIFA rules state you can,before age 21,choose who you will play for,provided of course you are qualified.
Duffy is Irish,yes?
So what is the problem?
He simply chose south over north.
Get over it,unless of course you have other issues.
James Elworthy
29   Posted 24/02/2010 at 20:26:39

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This is happening in sport all the time, Ryan Giggs born in Manchester and chose Wales.
Keven Pietersen, Andrew Strauss, & Craig Kieswetter born in South Africa
Eoin Morgan born in Ireland.
Zola Budd run for GB.
Paul Lenehan
30   Posted 24/02/2010 at 20:16:46

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Neal, your lack of understanding of the stubleties of the issue of Northern Ireland is simply staggering. Without wanting to get bogged down with the finer details of the politics of the North, I feel there are a few points that must be made in defence of Duffy’s decision.

The Good Friday Agreement enshrined in the form of an International Agreement the notion that those who live in North and are Irish have the right to consider themselves citizens of the Irish State. We have Irish passports that are issued in Dublin. We consider Dublin to be our capital.

This idea was to replace the Irish States territorial claim to the North in its Constitution. The Constitution now reads that while in geographical terms the Irish people of the North may not be physically part of the State, they are guarunteed, through the amended Articles of the Constitution, the right to be "part of the Irish nation" and the right to maintain their Irish citizenship.

Hence those from the North who are Irish have their citizenship confirmed in the Constitution of the Republic.

It is also interesting to note that the national anthem played at Northern Ireland games is God Save the Queen. The anthem played at Republic games is Amhrán na bhFiann. If Duffy is the holder of an Irish passport and has his Irish citizenship confirmed in an International Agreement and the Constitution of the Republic, then why should he stand for the National Anthem of another Nation in the shape of God Save the Queen.

In Northern Ireland there are two nationalities - British and Irish. Those that consider themselves British obviously have their affiliation to God Save the Queen, and that must be respected. But, for the reasons mentioned above, those that consider themselves Irish are perfectly entitled to play for the Republic.

Im sorry to bore everyone with these details, I just feel that the lad is getting stick in some quarters, by individuals who clearly don’t know what they are talking about.

I say fair play to young Duffy and I hope Trap gives him and Coleman an opportunity in the upcoming months and years.
Brendan O'Doherty
31   Posted 24/02/2010 at 21:23:12

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Just checked my N.I. sterling banknotes and none of them have a queen’s head on them. Funny that...
Conor Waters
32   Posted 25/02/2010 at 02:29:37

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Nice one Ciarán, nothing like stoking the old flames with this good old fashioned can of worms.

Its amazing how despite people trying desperately to not come across as either orange or green - they cant help themselves.

With regards to the actual matter being discussed, I think it is a real kick in the nuts for the IFA, to have a potential talent like Duffy turn his back on the team at such a late stage in his international career. It is because of FIFA’s constant rule changes that allow things like this to happen. And yet Shane is simply using these rules to do what HE wants to do, which is play for the Republic.

So despite all the disappointment that fans from Windsor Park may be feeling - things like this will continue to happen - so long as FIFA grant players the opportunity to ’switch’ allegiances before the age cut off point.

No matter how people may feel towards this lads decision on the international stage, it should in no way affect our wishes regarding his club career.
Michael Tracey
33   Posted 25/02/2010 at 06:01:49

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He's has done nothing wrong according to FIFA rules so I can’t see what the big deal is. They should play as a unified Ireland anyway. They get on fine in rugby. There are too many countries in the British Isles that are happy to be separate when it suits them. Look at the Olympics? Or any GB team. Are they seperate countries or aren’t they?
Mike McLean
34   Posted 25/02/2010 at 06:04:41

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In terms of music, no contest. Give me Ahram na bhFiann over the dirge any day of the week.

And no matter how much or little the 6 counties association may have helped his development, supporters who call themselves "billy boys" are likely to suffer continuing disappointment from players with roots in another culture.
Lee Kidd
35   Posted 25/02/2010 at 09:50:00

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"Rumors in the Republic is that Tony Hibbert has an Irish Grandmother and there has been talks??"

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I am so, so glad I’m not a Republic of Ireland fan when I read that - I’d be in tears.
Gerard Sheppard
36   Posted 25/02/2010 at 10:20:01

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Duffy’s case is clear in that under any reading of the rules he is eligible to play for Republic Of Ireland as his father was born there. Followers of Northern Ireland do however have a right to be disappointed and indeed feel betryayed by his apparent using of their national setup for years.

The wider issue is where the rules appear to be open to interpreation, or some might say abuse. That is occurring in other cases where the eligibility is only due to extra territiorial poaching by the scouts of Republic Of Ireland. That association is effectively drawing from two junior setups and paying for one only.

One’s political viewpoint or feeling of belonging is a non negotiable right. But territorial rules exist in international football for good reason.

This isn’t like wanting to play for your favourite club, it’s about fair and equal international rulles for eligibility to national teams.

That is a BIG can of worms for FIFA and UEFA, and one they need to put a lid on as it is relevant outside of Ireland

Ciarán McGlone
37   Posted 25/02/2010 at 10:56:24

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"Have to say i will be with drawing my support for Duffy from now on, hope he fails to make the grade and ends up at Acrington Stanley.... "


It’s bad enough you don’t understand self-determination..let alone villifying a youngster for simply choosing his nationality - a hard won right!

He’s an Evertonian..either you support the team - or you don’t.

P.S There’s no such thing as a season ticket holder for N.I games - unless of course your a Linfield man.
Ciarán McGlone
38   Posted 25/02/2010 at 11:01:11

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Neal,

Seriously.
Kevin Hudson
39   Posted 25/02/2010 at 17:16:58

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Bloody hell,is this Garvaghy Road ? Put the semtex down,boys.If you choose to support our football club,keep your boring sectarianist shite to yourselves.Everton,remember ?

This is one of the reasons we don’t want the old firm joining our league.

Right,beers in.. COYB !!
Mike Allison
40   Posted 25/02/2010 at 18:00:12

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I’ll just wade in then with a second hand comment (so I can be as blunt as I like cos it wasn’t me that said it) along the lines that Irish Catholics in what is, politically, Northern Ireland all support the Republic of Ireland team, and the Northern Ireland national is for British Protestants. This came up in conversation about Neil Lennon, and why the Northern Ireland shirt had navy blue quarters for a while. My friend (a ’Northern’ Irish Catholic, you may have guessed) was fairly clear that Catholics weren’t the target audience, or particularly made to feel welcomed when it came to the Northern Irish team.

Not everyone may agree with this blunt assessment, and there may be plenty more to say about this, but the split was fairly clear in her mind when she explained it to me, and I am at least speaking as a Englishman of some Irish descent with a Catholic and CofE background so I can promise you I’m not biased.

I think Ciaran’s self-determination point is the key one. If Duffy thinks he’s Irish, and wants to play for the Republic, then that should be the clinching factor. I also agree with Ciaran that his international football and teammates will be at a higher standard, which should be good for us (if he’s going to make it) and frankly, that’s all that matters to me, and dare I say it, on this site.
Gerard Sheppard
41   Posted 25/02/2010 at 18:38:51

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Ciarán McGlone said: There’s no such thing as a season ticket holder for N.I games - unless of course your a Linfield man ....

There is. It’s termed "block booking" but it equates. It’s renewable every two years. Supply doesn’t meet demand these days. All international competitons are sold out in advance. Linfield has nothing do with allocating seats at international games.

You are as poorly and bitterly informed on this as you seem to be on the rest of the matter in hand.
Craig Tomasinski
42   Posted 25/02/2010 at 23:31:22

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The whole thing of players playing for different countries from where they were born happens all over the world. We have had these issues in Australia to with some players going to play for Croatia because thats where their parents were from even though the player was born in Australia. Of course many years ago players from other countries used to come to Australia to play for a club then gain nationality by playing here for so many years.

I guess the ones that will upset you is when a countries academy pay for the players tuition and upbringing in the sports academies and then they leave to play for another country. Most recently in Australia Josip Simunic who went right through our sports academies until he was about 18 and then said he would play for Croatia. That's the one that hurt.

In the end the whole Ireland/Northern Ireland thing is different because of all the politics and history so that is something I will never understand as my connections to Ireland are only very very distant.

Ciarán McGlone
43   Posted 26/02/2010 at 09:53:13

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Gerard,

&You know as well as well as I do, that the block booking is for a hnadful of games during qualifiers...

The fact that this was the only part of my post you responded to say a lot about your knowledge, not mine..

Oh and don’t you realise the iorny of callng me bitter whenever you will wish failure on a young evertonian - all for the crime of choosing his own nationality. Sad.

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