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Duffy Declares for Republic
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It was on the local news yesterday that Shane Duffy - despite having been through the underage ranks for N.I - is declaring for the Republic of Ireland.
Personally as a fan I think it's great that there'll be two emerging Evertonians in the Republic's squad in the future. It also means that Duffy will be playing with better players on the international scene and therefore will have more capacity to improve.
Ciarán McGlone, Posted 24/02/2010 at 07:51:13
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Northern Ireland have spent a lot of time and money developing Duffy through the various International youth levels.
For Duffy to now change his mind and play for another International side is very unfair and shows a lack of character by Duffy.
Just imagine if Everton had a youngster who they developed through the youth ranks and then when it was time to sign a professional contract he snubbed us and signed for Liverpool.
There should be a law which says if you play for a country at any level you are permanently attached to said country.
The FIFA rules on this have been changed a few times, after reaching full international level and satisfying the criteria I think he should be free to make his own choice, just as big Vic did. Northern Ireland, or any other nation don’t need players who don’t want to play for them.
However, if you were born to say British parents while they were working in Zambia then you should have a choice.
The Republic seem to have excelled in luring players who’s grannys cousin was born in Cork etc
He was brought through the ranks of N.I youth teams because the Republic are prevented from organising in the north....Therefore those who consider themselves Irish are effectively disenfranchised until they have enough clout to do something about it....
John, by virtue of self-determination - Duffy is Irish.
Maybe I was a bit naive initially saying country of birth, I just assumed The Republic was separate from the North - sorry for any offence, not intended
Personally I have sympathy with the N.I supporters as they’re losing a decent prospect..but to be honest, the player should have the choice at international level...FIFA have already run a mile from this one...Line of least resistance...
Duffy may also look at the 2 teams and think Northern Ireland are pants!!
If you are born in Northern Ireland you are entitled to a Rep & UK passport. It is up to the individual which one he considers himself. Personally I am glad too!
Rumors in the Republic is that Tony Hibbert has an Irish Grandmother and there has been talks??
Shane went the other way-so what! It’s up to him.
I’d support him in a blue shirt either way.
Either way, good luck to Duffy in trying to break into the Ireland’s first XI.
Bet you were really rooting for Neil Lennon then?
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The reason the FAI aren’t allowed to organise in NORTHERN IRELAND is because it is exactly that, NORTHERN IRELAND. The REPUBLIC OF IRELAND, a seperate nation (or whatever you want to call it) is the 26 counties of the southern area represented by the FAI. The 6 counties in the Northern part of the island, called NORTHERN IRELAND, which has been in existence for nearly a century now, are represented by the IFA. 2 seperate countries with 2 seperate governments, and 2 seperate flags, and guess what? 2 seperate football associations.
When it comes to National teams you should play for and support the country of your birth. And then not be able to switch them in this pathetic way. Exactly like Sammy Clingan and Niall McGinn have done. But some people like to make it political, and then pretend it’s not.
And to say that NI haven’t developed him is just ridiculous. Haven’t they coached him through his young years? I think they have contributed just a tad.
As for "playing with better players on the international scene" , when was the last time the Republic beat teams with the calibre of Spain, Sweden or England? And, isn’t it currently very close in the FIFA rankings? In fact for a couple of years there, weren’t we well above the Republic? Don’t worry, they’re rhetorical questions I certainly already know the answers to.
Just a thought, it could be a family thing. But saying that, he has left it very late.
Parentage is irrelevant in this unique situation. As a citizen of Northern Ireland I can play for the Republic aswell.
Yes it is late and the majority of Northern Ireland fans deserve better.
"When it comes to National teams you should play for and support the country of your birth"
Always baffled me that kind of thinking
I mean if you were born in a row-boat EXACTLY half-way between to countries, where are you ’from’?
Not a likely situation I admit, but a valid enough bit of nonsense when it comes to the crack-pot arguments you get when bigoted loons come together to ’rationally’ discuss things.
Personally I’d be happy with it.
Not only would it have meant John Barnes playing for Jamaica, but also Terry Butcher playing for Singapore and THAT I’d have paid to see.
Thanks for the info, is that the same for every one from Northern Ireland or just those with connections to the Republic?
Got your name right this time, sorry.
"Have to say i will be with drawing my support for Duffy from now on, hope he fails to make the grade and ends up at Acrington Stanley.... "
Utterly disgraceful comment not to back one of our own players. It is the same reason I have never been nor ever would go to Windsor Park. COYBIG
FIFA rules state you can,before age 21,choose who you will play for,provided of course you are qualified.
Duffy is Irish,yes?
So what is the problem?
He simply chose south over north.
Get over it,unless of course you have other issues.
Keven Pietersen, Andrew Strauss, & Craig Kieswetter born in South Africa
Eoin Morgan born in Ireland.
Zola Budd run for GB.
The Good Friday Agreement enshrined in the form of an International Agreement the notion that those who live in North and are Irish have the right to consider themselves citizens of the Irish State. We have Irish passports that are issued in Dublin. We consider Dublin to be our capital.
This idea was to replace the Irish States territorial claim to the North in its Constitution. The Constitution now reads that while in geographical terms the Irish people of the North may not be physically part of the State, they are guarunteed, through the amended Articles of the Constitution, the right to be "part of the Irish nation" and the right to maintain their Irish citizenship.
Hence those from the North who are Irish have their citizenship confirmed in the Constitution of the Republic.
It is also interesting to note that the national anthem played at Northern Ireland games is God Save the Queen. The anthem played at Republic games is Amhrán na bhFiann. If Duffy is the holder of an Irish passport and has his Irish citizenship confirmed in an International Agreement and the Constitution of the Republic, then why should he stand for the National Anthem of another Nation in the shape of God Save the Queen.
In Northern Ireland there are two nationalities - British and Irish. Those that consider themselves British obviously have their affiliation to God Save the Queen, and that must be respected. But, for the reasons mentioned above, those that consider themselves Irish are perfectly entitled to play for the Republic.
Im sorry to bore everyone with these details, I just feel that the lad is getting stick in some quarters, by individuals who clearly don’t know what they are talking about.
I say fair play to young Duffy and I hope Trap gives him and Coleman an opportunity in the upcoming months and years.
Its amazing how despite people trying desperately to not come across as either orange or green - they cant help themselves.
With regards to the actual matter being discussed, I think it is a real kick in the nuts for the IFA, to have a potential talent like Duffy turn his back on the team at such a late stage in his international career. It is because of FIFA’s constant rule changes that allow things like this to happen. And yet Shane is simply using these rules to do what HE wants to do, which is play for the Republic.
So despite all the disappointment that fans from Windsor Park may be feeling - things like this will continue to happen - so long as FIFA grant players the opportunity to ’switch’ allegiances before the age cut off point.
No matter how people may feel towards this lads decision on the international stage, it should in no way affect our wishes regarding his club career.
And no matter how much or little the 6 counties association may have helped his development, supporters who call themselves "billy boys" are likely to suffer continuing disappointment from players with roots in another culture.
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I am so, so glad I’m not a Republic of Ireland fan when I read that - I’d be in tears.
The wider issue is where the rules appear to be open to interpreation, or some might say abuse. That is occurring in other cases where the eligibility is only due to extra territiorial poaching by the scouts of Republic Of Ireland. That association is effectively drawing from two junior setups and paying for one only.
One’s political viewpoint or feeling of belonging is a non negotiable right. But territorial rules exist in international football for good reason.
This isn’t like wanting to play for your favourite club, it’s about fair and equal international rulles for eligibility to national teams.
That is a BIG can of worms for FIFA and UEFA, and one they need to put a lid on as it is relevant outside of Ireland
It’s bad enough you don’t understand self-determination..let alone villifying a youngster for simply choosing his nationality - a hard won right!
He’s an Evertonian..either you support the team - or you don’t.
P.S There’s no such thing as a season ticket holder for N.I games - unless of course your a Linfield man.
Seriously.
This is one of the reasons we don’t want the old firm joining our league.
Right,beers in.. COYB !!
Not everyone may agree with this blunt assessment, and there may be plenty more to say about this, but the split was fairly clear in her mind when she explained it to me, and I am at least speaking as a Englishman of some Irish descent with a Catholic and CofE background so I can promise you I’m not biased.
I think Ciaran’s self-determination point is the key one. If Duffy thinks he’s Irish, and wants to play for the Republic, then that should be the clinching factor. I also agree with Ciaran that his international football and teammates will be at a higher standard, which should be good for us (if he’s going to make it) and frankly, that’s all that matters to me, and dare I say it, on this site.
There is. It’s termed "block booking" but it equates. It’s renewable every two years. Supply doesn’t meet demand these days. All international competitons are sold out in advance. Linfield has nothing do with allocating seats at international games.
You are as poorly and bitterly informed on this as you seem to be on the rest of the matter in hand.
I guess the ones that will upset you is when a countries academy pay for the players tuition and upbringing in the sports academies and then they leave to play for another country. Most recently in Australia Josip Simunic who went right through our sports academies until he was about 18 and then said he would play for Croatia. That's the one that hurt.
In the end the whole Ireland/Northern Ireland thing is different because of all the politics and history so that is something I will never understand as my connections to Ireland are only very very distant.
&You know as well as well as I do, that the block booking is for a hnadful of games during qualifiers...
The fact that this was the only part of my post you responded to say a lot about your knowledge, not mine..
Oh and don’t you realise the iorny of callng me bitter whenever you will wish failure on a young evertonian - all for the crime of choosing his own nationality. Sad.
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