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Was Moyes watching Coleman today?
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Only read the reports from various sources and not seen the highlights but Coleman had another great game for Blackpool again today, floating in a great cross that was put into his own net by Wright, and capped it with a mazy run through the Scunthorpe defence before smashing the ball into the roof of the net from 8 yards out. Hopefully if Moyes wasn't there to see it, someone else was, the boy is certainly making a mark at Blackpool.
Gavin Ramejkis, Posted 02/04/2010 at 19:23:11
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Rodwell too hardly ever starts and Rooney was the same. But Rooney went straight into United's team and played regularly. Rodwell is linked with a big money move to United and Chelsea but can't get in our side. Maybe that is one reason why we have had such a disappointing season and will finish eighth at best.
"There is something wrong with Moyes's attitude to young players" . That has to be the maddest post of the year. Under Moyes, how many "young" club records have been broken? Rooney. Vaughan, Rodwell have all broken club and in some cases league records. Coleman, Gosling, Anichebe, Baxter, Agard all given chances. Did you not see the team against Bate at home? Full of kids.
He has a known reputation of giving kids a chance. Incidentally, Rodwell wasn't playing because his form was shite and look at him now he's been left out, he's starting to look the part again.
Coleman MAY turn out to be a good player for us but FFS he did well for 70 mins against Spurs and some people think he's bleedin Cafu and is the answer to us finishing higher in the table!! Have these people not looked at our current form or will the Premier League start giving us 5 points for a win with Coleman in the side?
James Vaughan on the other hand is proving that he can't even cut it in the Championship. Vaughan is unable to stay fit long enough to make Leicester's first team. He has no chance at Everton.
When Vaughan and Coleman went on loan to the Championship, I assumed it would be Vaughan who scored the most goals. Time for James Vaughan to be shown the door at Everton.
Sometimes though, especially when there is a "clamour from the masses" to do something, he does seem to take a perverse delight in doing the opposite, just to prove the point of who's in charge, and I think Coleman has fallen foul of this trait.
I agree with your Cafu comment in that some of the fans' expectations regarding the lad are crazy, given his current experience. But I for one would have liked to have seen him given some more time for us this season and now Gosling is out I fear our attacking options on the right side will stagnate again.
Mike Dillon, Very funny, made me smile.
Opinion 1: Great idea by Moyes to loan him out, means he'll improve and develop and be ready for us in the future.
Opinion 2: He's clearly better than Neville, Moyes is an idiot for letting him go when he could be doing that for us.
Its all getting a bit predictable. I'm much more of the opinion 1 variety, and Mick Wrende doesn't help his case with some very odd statements.
Moyes is probably responsible for bringing more young players through than any other manager, certainly in my living memory. Brian Lawlor points this out well, and I'll just say add that his desire to occasionally protect them, or in this case, loan them out for experience, is not a poor attitude, but rationally made decisions done for long term benefit. Surely you can see that, even if you don't agree with the decision itself.
As for Vaughan, someone needs to do something about his physique, I'd love to know how he trains, because in one sense he seems so fit but can't stay free of injury. Surely the club can get this sorted instead of 'hoping' he stays 'lucky' with injuries. That's the problem in attitude.
It's the way our youth policy works and so far it doesn't seem to have had many failures.
The Herald in Ireland had good article quoting the boy saying he is happy but my point is that he needs to be watched and coached not just by Blackpool as they are a different team and style to us.
I can see why people would want to see Coleman in the side now and I can also see the argument that he is better than Neville even though we have only seen him in a couple of brief sub appearances. However, we should not under-estimate what Neville brings to the team with his captaincy and Moyes obviously feels this out weighs Coleman's more attacking threat.
I have no doubt that Coleman will be our next right back if he continues his current progress and he will be gradually phased in to replace Neville over the next couple of seasons.
I really do believe to criticise Moyes over youth development is wrong — who has brought more youngsters through in the Premier League than him?
If we finish 8th, once again we will only finish behind much bigger spending clubs and will continue the fantastic achievement of constantly being a top-half team that deserves to be taken seriously by the opposition.
This loan looks like a very good move. At the moment Neville is doing an adequate job, and if we played Coleman our defense would be much weaker. While he looks promising in an attacking sense, defensively he ain't at Nev's or Hibbo's level... yet.
This loan will give him confidence, experience and also shows he can do it for a whole game, on a consistent level. The fact we have had Moyes or one of his coaches watching every game makes me think Moyes knows more about the lad than you do, Mick. How many Blackpool games have you gone to, or have you just read a report in a newspaper and used that as the info you need to have a dig at Moyes?
Rodwell has played at least 25 games this season... more than any other 18 year old in the League. We have many good midfielders, why push Rodwell too far, risk injury when it isn't needed?
If we finish 8th (I reckon 7/6th), it's because of serious injuries (... Coleman was injured at start of season too), because Man City spent £200mil, Spurs' expensively assembled squad finally had some stability, Villa'a expensively assembled squad didn't have to compete in Europe, suffered minor injury problems.
Since November we've been one of the most inform Premier League teams, and that is without Coleman playing.
He looks promising, hopefully next season he will be pushing the first team, having a right back like him available will definitely give us more options, and make us more of an attacking threat. I think Moyes is thinking this also.
Think that covers all the bases. End of thread. (Dicky Dodd)
A few months back Andy Crooks mentioned about Seamus Coleman being the ideal player for the position of attacking RM. It seams that most people have not thought of this.
Just look at the attacking qualities of young Jack as opposed to the position he first held. For me the pos. of right wing would be ideal for Coleman.
Why? Two reasons:. First, he has pace to burn. Second he has that gift that all players wish for and that is to be able to beat the man in front of you.
Once the man in front of you is beaten, be it by skill or pace, then the amount of space and more importantly the time then afforded to make the right decision becomes apparent.
I say if we cannot get Donovan next season then give the lad a few games as our attacking right forward. I think funny enough that this will make our Nev a better player for Everton.
Like the old saying goes, you're never to old to learn. Agreed?
Ironically, the only people making these comparisons are those who appear less enthusiastic about the lad. Do people really believe that only players of the caliber of Cafu would be capable of replacing Neville at RB?
To suggest that we should replace the club captain who has played over 500 club games at the highest level and has 59 caps for England, not to mention 6 league winners medals, 3 FA cup winners medals, oh an a European Cup winners medal, with a lad who has played just over 50 games for the might Sligo Rovers and made 3 appearances for Everton is a little absurd in my opinion.
Firstly, notice how we have steadily picked up results and climbed up the table since Captain Pip returned? Coincidence, maybe.
Secondly, in the race for points surely experience counts for something over potential?
Thirdly, maybe Moyes knows what he is doing in loaning out Coleman to a lower league team to give him experience.
Fourthly, let's not forget that Coleman is currently doing well in the Championship which is a world away from the top half of the prem.
Finally, do we not expect Coleman to come back at the end of the season and become a regular squad member next year after gaining this experience?
What he's doing now is limiting our team. Anybody ever watch other teams play??? If you did take a gander, you'd see fullbacks that have close control of the ball and fill in lanes when they're supposed to. That is the future of the fullback position. Neville is the old guard -- and not only that, he's not that GREAT a defender. he gives up some soft goals and hacksaw's his way into the referee's book with some crazy tackles frequently.
I'm happy for Seamus and I guess it will help him, but why not push on this year? We had a chance!
What if Pip went down to the championship? I bet you anything he wouldn't stand out in the least. And that's why Seamus should be up here playing reserves and ultimately overtaking Neville.
Do not underestimate Phil Neville's influence on Everton. He is a leader, he is a model professional and a pretty decent player.
OK there's probably not much between Neville and Coleman in terms of football. But Neville keeps his place because he is such an important influence on the rest of the team.
It's no coincidence that when Neville was injured this season the team went through one of the worst spells ever under Moyes. Then, when Neville returned, so did Everton's form.
Moyes will not drop Neville and I don't blame him. He's not the best player to wear and Everton shirt but he may very well be a leader ranking alongside Ratcliffe and Watson.
Good news for Coleman though is that Neville's age is catching up with him and, although he may have to wait a season or two, Coleman will eventually be Everton's right back for most of this decade.
It wasn't that long ago that Neville was out injured for ages and we were crap. His return marked the begining of Everton's return to some kind of form, he defends well and organises the team.
We haven't seen nearly enough of Coleman to decide if he will become a decent Premier League DEFENDER (quite important as a right back ya know). It's all well and good making the odd decent run forward, but if the opposition's left winger gets to have a field day because of it, then it's pointless.
I have mentioned before the fact that we annually cleared out our youngsters and retained lots of semi crocks who were past their sell-by dates. I am convinced that our youngsters came through due to injuries to old players and would still be waiting for a chance. Rodwell, Gosling etc only came in because the lack of strength of numbers in our squad made it impossible to avoid.
My problem with loaning out Coleman is the fact that he may get injured. I also don't think that Vaughan will ever make it at the top level; Anichebe is a much better long-term prospect.
I agree with the comments that Coleman may well become a very good attacking midfielder or wide player as he has pace, ball control and crossing ability... he could well fill the vacancy left by Landon Donovan.
I mean we have won 7 games in a row at home, lost two of our last 18 or so league games and our form since the turn of the year has had us in the top three in the form league and still people are moaning.
Coleman is gaining vital experience that will help him greatly in the long term, but then again if he was playing in our first team and had a bad game the same people on here would be jumping on his back and slating him.
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1 Posted 03/04/2010 at 05:16:59
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Apparently frustrated by his forwards inability to find the net, young Seamus Coleman decided to show em how it's done... "weaving his way past several desperate tackles" before putting his side ahead.
Hope Moyes knows what he's doing...