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Coleman on fire again
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Moyes was apparently at Blackpool yesterday watching Coleman, who won the man of the match with two interventions to stop Doncaster scoring. He also had another mazy run at Doncaster and nearly scored.
I am right in thinking he has complete a months loan, but Blackpool have the option to keep him for another month. Should we get him back and put him straight in the team/squad,or would he be better getting more experience with them playing Newcastle next?
Kevin Thompson, Posted 06/04/2010 at 08:47:35
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I just hate all this talk of Coleman being the best player in the squad because he's played a couple of Championship games.
And yet nobody bothers to report on James Vaughan.
Is Vaughan struggling to make any impact at Leicester?
We should of gotten rid of Vaughan a couple of seasons ago. We'll never get any money for him now.
Sentiment which I would maybe agree with in response to some previous threads - but not this one.
Way too early to call him the new Cafu of course, but also rediculous to deride him for shining big time in the Championship. Since our outside top 4 chance is now gone and Europa Cup place doubtful and a very reward anyway (17 games to win and questionable injury risk vs minimal financial gain if you don't win it), I think it is a fair shout to give him a few prem games to see if he can properly break in next season.
Fair play to the lad, he has overcome a terrible foot injury at start of season and come through as well as could reasonably be expected. We know what Hibbo and Neville offer us, let's have a proper look at Coleman...
it would be fantastic if he can prove competent at defending and also add the attacking verve we so badly crave from right full back. COYB.
He didn't cost a great deal of money, unlike some of the examples that you referred to. Personally I think that he is a better all round player than Hibbert and that he could well be our future right back. I think Neville can play a major role in either midfield or at left back.
Yes, Baines is an England International, but at times he seems to forget his defensive duties. There times when I think he could be a left-sided version of Glen Johnson — brilliant going forward but not so good defensively. The competition would do Baines a lot of good I think.
I have made my own list, Dick, which I think gives a good alternative to yours. It's a list of "bargain" signings/guys who came from nowhere to be outstanding players in the top flight. In no particular order:
Graham Roberts — who went from non-League Football to Spurs.
Steve Heighway — an Amateur Cup semi-finalist in 1969 with Skem Utd; 2 years later he was scoring in the FA Cup Final.
Kevin Keegan — from 4th Division to Top Division in the matter of a few weeks.
Ray Clemence — again from the 4th Division to the Top Division.
Sandy Brown — from the mighty Partick Thistle to the reigning League Champions.
Ian Wright — from which club did Crystal Palace sign him?
Oh and there's some bloke called Cahill who played for Millwall, I wonder what happened to him?
You say that you have nothing against Coleman and then proceed to rubbish him and also Vaughan. The reason why there always seems to be a Mailbag submission after Coleman plays. Could it be that people feel obliged to respond to such sarcastic remarks as yours?
True the Championship and other "lower" leagues are not of the same standard as the Premier League. However, there are plenty of talented young players playing below Premier League standard at the moment who have the talent and ability to do well in the Top Flight. We have one in Coleman — and perhaps people like you should recognise that.
The 'logic' being each game against PL opposition this season, helping him get used to playing against better players and helping him feel more part of things next season.
After all, we weren't facing the drop and any chance of Europe we had, we were just as likely to get with him as without.
One thing does keep popping into my mind though, you can always tell the better players when they stand out over what's been put in front of them. I'm not saying he's ready to take on the class of the Premier League, but he's clearly too good for the Championship.
Perhaps in the way he kept Baines on the bench and played Lescott out of position at left back. Or, maybe, in the way he played Arteta out of position wide on the right. Perhaps in the way he thought Jags was a holding midfielder. Maybe in the way he plays Osman wide on the right and brings vitriol on this fine midfielder. Perhaps he might think of playing Bily in his proper position, central midfield behind the striker.
Maybe not.
Coleman is no way the finished article BUT FFS, perhaps 20 mins for us against a 'one-dimensional Wolves' or shite West Ham would have been useful.
The right side of the team (minus Donovan) has completely de-generated. If we are playing 4-5-1 our right back needs to push up & overlap. All Capt'n Pip does is pass sideways or 'launch one' fuckin' anywhere!
It just winds me up when people continually suggest he's better then Neville.
What are you basing that on? His career in Ireland? The mauling by Benfica? The decent sub appearance at Spurs? A Couple of games for a Championship side?
Personally I trust Moyes. If Moyes says Neville is the better player then its good enough for me. After all nobody knows the players like Moyes.
Coleman's time will come. I beleive the Blackpool loan will develop him and next season he could be a real contender for a starting place.
Sorry if it sounds like I dislike Coleman. I don't. It just bugs me when people slag off the players doing the job week in week out (Hibbert/Neville) and claim an untested youngster is the messiah.
We simply don't know how good Coleman is until Moyes decides he's ready and gives him a dozen starts in the Premiership.
Man Utd of 90's are probably the greatest team in English football history and yet Phil Neville played nearly 400 times for them.
The Man Utd 'you cant win anything with kids' generation are now legends of football. Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Butt and Gary and Phil Neville.
Neville has now played over 200 times for Everton. Many of them as Captain. Since joining the club Everton have finished 'Best Of The Rest' twice. Enjoyed regular European football and reached an FA Cup final.
During his career Neville has won:-
6 Premiership Winners Medals.
3 FA Cup Winners Medals.
1 Champions League Winners Medal.
At International level Phil Neville playled 59 times for England.
Neville was the youngest member of the Euro 96 squad. And he was picked for the Euro 2000 and Euro 2004 squads.
The Neville brothers have more England Caps then any other siblings. Including the Charlton brothers.
Not bad for a player with the ''footballing equivalent of autism''.
Moyes bought him, he was a bit lightweight for central midfield so he got moved out wide. For 2 consecutive seasons he was player of the season, amassing a number of assists (10+ each season). Moyes then moved him into his natural central position having built his strength and awareness and is now one of the top creative midfielders in the League...Yeah actually, Moyes proper bollocksed it up there didn't he.
Didn't Lescott score a number of goals while at left-back, while the defense was very solid. Lescott's goals saw his valuation rise way above his ability and we got 24mil for him. Baines while being good was defensivly weak, and the team was playing well and eventually finished 5th in the league, much due to the strength of our defense. Baines is now an England international...MY GOD YOUR RIGHT...Moyes Bollocksed it up yet again.
He mustn't have a clue about player development...Has he never played Football Manager FFS
Yes, he has a lot of medals. Partly due to playing in the same team as Giggs, Beckham etc. He was never more than a passenger for them at best. The same way someone like Wes Brown is now really. I am personally counting down the days till Neville retires and we have a captain I can be proud of.
That can only be a good thing.
Point 2 , Neville has done well for us and it's obvious that his star is waning.
Point 3, We need to replace Neville & Hibbert; Coleman needs more playing time and is getting it,
Point 4, I don't see what the problem / discussion is about?
Why after a poor TEAM performance are we scapegoating one player? Neville is not a disgrace, he's a good player and a brilliant pro who came to Everton wanting to play when he could have just as easily picked up more cash and medals sat on his arse at Man U like a lot of their players do (Brown, O'Shea).
I stand by other postings saying firmly that Coleman offers the team something completely different from the virtually identical defender only mode of Hibbert and Neville, the latter has been gash in his last few games. Coleman is not the finished article or some wonder kid but he is an attacking player and could be played on the wing, if not as a wing back.
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1 Posted 06/04/2010 at 14:19:20
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I have to admit I was worried if Coleman would be able to stand out in a match of this quality.
I mean just look at the talent on display:-
DJ Campbell
The former Birmingham flop who failed to score a single goal in the Premiership.
John Oster
During a drunken moment of madness Howard Kendall once paid £1.5 million for Oster and labelled him 'the next Ryan Giggs'. Of course he wasn't, in fact he was rubbish. With every transfer he makes the clubs get worse.
Keith Southern
Former Everton youth product. Failed to make a single appearance for the first team.
Hameur Bouazza
Fulham paid £3 million for this French striker. He scored one goal for them and then moved to the lower leagues.
Neil Sullivan
This guy played for Wimbledon in the 1980's.
Jason Euell
Remember him? He got a big money move to Charlton in 2001. He flopped and has steadily become the forgotten man of football.
All this talent on show and yet Seamus Coleman apparently had a decent game.
DROP PHIL NEVILLE NOW.
Forget all this talk of an England recall or Moyes claiming Neville is one of his Top 5 best buys ever.
Drop Neville and play Coleman because if he can have a decent performance in a game featuring Oster, Southern and Sullivan then he should have no problem playing in games featuring Rooney, Drogba and Torres.