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Hi, Evertonians,
My name is James Folksman. I am wondering if you would be able to answer/comment on a few questions for me. I am a final year student at Liverpool Hope University and I am writing my dissertation on Everton FC. My title is:
Is change for the better? A critical examination concerning the proposed ground move of Everton Football Club.
Within the dissertation, I aim to tackle the following:
1. Examining the circumstances behind the proposed move. To include the historical, cultural and economic reasoning behind the ground move.
2. To investigate the pressure elite-level football clubs are under in order to maintain high levels of attendance, and sustainable economic growth.
3. Examine the initially rejected proposed ground move of EFC to Stanley Park and the Kings Dock and the impact this may have had on the relationship between the supporters of Liverpool and Everton Football Clubs.
4. The long-term implications of a move outside of the city boundaries by one of two major football sides in the city?
5. The question of tradition versus modernity.
6. The option of a ground share with LFC.
Any of your views or comments on the above would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks,
James Folksman, Posted 12/04/2010 at 23:07:30
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Secondly, there are reams of information relating to the failure to provide funding for the Kings Dock stadium by the controlling powers at Everton Football Club. So, yet again, not a rejection but a failure.
I'm a fan of ground share, though the only issue for me would be whether the pitch would be able to cope with the English weather??
If there are solutions to this it makes sense just to own half each, and stay in opposite sides of the ground. I don't care about Liverpool, it's what's important to Everton that matters and ground share makes economical and environmental sense.
Best of luck — one thesis is enough for one lifetime, but trying to distil the views of Evertonians on these topics is quite a challenge. By the way, I wonder if you shouldn't limit the scope of what you are doing — to me, your topic looks a little too multifocused for a final year thesis.
Nowhere in the planning departments records is there any such application, well not from this club anyway! The freedom of information act would allow any individual to request information held by LCC on the matter but my gut feeling is that would also draw a blank.
James, can I suggest you pay particular attention to those as David says steer away from the vitriol. We had posters' comments with significant background in engineering and stadia development. I would be inclined to point out the high emotions but use appropriate grammar and bibliographic references.
It would be a good idea to try to orgainise interviews with people on both sides of the debate. One person you should try to contact is Tom Hughes, who has an engineering background, and has undertaken studies and lobbying to try and push for a redevelopment of Goodison Park. Tom has produced plans on how this might be acheived by phasing development. Michael Kenrick or Lyndon Lloyd might have Tom's contact details if you ask, as might those at KEIOC.
On the other side of the debate, you should try and speak to someone from the club about the situation and why they feel relocation is the best option. You should start by asking if BK would be available for a short meeting — you never know!, and work your way down from there.
You might even find that someone like Terry Leahy of Tesco might spare you a few minutes to discuss the ill-fated Kirkby project, given that this now seems to be dead in the water, and he should be free to discuss at least parts of the thinking.
I had mate who was doing a dissertation a few years ago on a completely different subject, and when he went to the top and asked for a few minutes of people's time, and explained that it was education-related, they were more than happy to oblige.
Hope this helps, and good luch with the dissertation. Don't know if you'd be up for publishing the finished article on the web, but I'm sure there are a few of us who would like to have a look.
Speak to those who were against Kirkby and... UNMASK those who were for... (only messin').
One bit of advice: steer well clear of anything to do with Peter Kilfoyle.
If he finds out you're at university, he could go all horribly cartoon-style working-class and resentful and try to open up a can of 'John Prescott flavoured whup-ass' on your ass.
Good luck!
For me. it is about pride in one's club. Either pride in our heritage, represented partly by our ground, or pride in our current position. If maintaining and/or improving our current position requires that we move to a different ground, that takes precedent.
Perhaps this type of exchange between the club and the Local Authority is where the stories began?
The address you need is www.linkedin.com I am not absolutely sure, but you may need someone to invite you (if you want me to do it, I’ll need your email address).
Linkedin is a worldwide networking site and is quite useful for keeping in touch with colleagues and friends. I joined last year and have got back in touch with people I had not heard of for over 20 years (you can search against companies you used to work for, for instance).
You can also apply to join interest groups. There are three of immediate relevance to this discussion: Everton FC supporters; Toffees in Business; and Everton Fans in Business (I am still waiting to be accepted into the last one).
One other element (it may be an advantage or not) is that once you join Linkedin, you are generally much easier to find via a Google search. The only exception to that is if, like me, you share a name with an MP who gets embroiled in the expenses row. By the way, I have no commerial interest in Linkedin.
Here's one example with lots of very pertinent material:
Like Andy Anagram and Derek T up there, I twitched a bit at 'modernity'. Bear in mind that relocation from Anfield and the construction of Goodison was cutting edge 'modern' at the time. "Tradition and change" has been a respectable tag in the social sciences since the 19thC, and could give you some useful references for a theoretical basis.
You may know all you ever need to about postmodernism from your studies, but may I in any case recommend 'Inroducing Postmoderism' by Richard Appignanesi and Chris Garret (Icon Books) - you get a few laughs out of it along the way apart from anything else.
Best of luck with it James. I feel sure that the editors here will be sympathetic to any future requests you might have (eg regarding specifics), so let us know how you are getting on.
I am with David on this. I am certain BK has stated on the OS that he did make some enquires about building on Stanley Park, but got no encouragement from the council and so never made a formal application.
Could be horseshit though; who knows with Bill?
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We've got tons of discussion threads on these topics that were very relevant in a contemporay sense as the captured the depth of feeling both for and against that will be a challenge for anyone to summarize.
The topic was highly contentious, as you would imagine. ANd we used to tag every thread that discussed something about the stadium, so that they would all list together on one page. Trouble is... I can't seem to find that summary page after the shuffle. I'll ask Lyndon, see if he knows what;s happened to it.
I think they're your best bet but you might get a few who wabnt to poke the mebers one last time. There are a few links from here to be going on with:
The Stadium Debate