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Bily no mates
32 Comments: I thought Bily had a good game last night. He was willing to try and take the defenders on, showed nice touches and passes and was involved in some of our better moves. I was disappointed when he was taken off.
I rate Drenthe, but he had an awful game last night. He showed some flashes of brilliance but would ruin it each time by not playing the ball and being greedy. Bily on the other flank was the opposite, he created a few clear goal scoring chances with his passing, the main chance being the early one for Saha, and his decision-making was in the main spot on. I thought he deserved to stay on.
Bily clearly has the potential to be a really good player for us but has never fulfilled this promise. He can be justly accused of being lazy and slow but he has never been given a proper run to highlight his positive points for an extended period. I would prefer him to be played in the middle but he showed last night that he can link up with Baines down the left.
I think the only way forward is to give him a run in the team until the January transfer window. If he cuts the mustard, he stays and we play him; if he doesn?t, then we attempt to flog him (at a knock-down price if needs be) to a Russian side, where he is still an international player.
Jon Ferguson, Posted 27/10/2011 at 12:01:50
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Someone needs to tell Bily to bring his legs next time he gets a game.
Totally agree, mate, I thought Bily had a good game lastnight. He played a few excellent passes and was getting stuck in a bit and winning the ball back instead of sulking when he lost it as he has done previously.
I think the problem is confidence. As you mentioned he's never really had a run of games and not once been played in his favoured position behind the striker despite Tim not scoring in 2011. Also, a lot of fans seem to be waiting for him to make any sort of error as they can't wait to moan and get on his back.
If more fans actually gave him a bit of encouragement and Moyes gives him a run of games, we might finally see why our rightly penny-conscious manager deemed him worth £9M.
I think the problem is confidence. As you mentioned he's never really had a run of games and not once been played in his favoured position behind the striker despite Tim not scoring in 2011. Also, a lot of fans seem to be waiting for him to make any sort of error as they can't wait to moan and get on his back.
If more fans actually gave him a bit of encouragement and Moyes gives him a run of games, we might finally see why our rightly penny-conscious manager deemed him worth £9M.
He moves like a puppet on strings...like a thunderbird.
Nah I want him to do well, I really do but just find him frustrating. If it was ever going to happen for him it would have by now unfortunately.
Nah I want him to do well, I really do but just find him frustrating. If it was ever going to happen for him it would have by now unfortunately.
His first 7 or 8 games for the club were outstanding. Stunning crossing ability, some great goals, and then... meh.
Nick
It took a few months training to knock alll of that good stuff out of him.
It took a few months training to knock alll of that good stuff out of him.
Billy was decent by his standards but thats not saying much, i agree with Danny @1.
Drenthe was good second half but let us and himself down as there was no need to make the second tackle and his first booking was also fuckin stupid as he looked frustrated with giving the ball away.
Ime more worried how the new Angel got on before Velios? That game was there for the taking in extra time but imo Moyes told the players to take there time instead of upping the tempo as we had done in the second half which got us right back into it.
Was that game not a good chance to give Barkley a run out? Surely he can only learn from being up against some of the quality Chelsea have? I doubt he is anyones Mucha after that howler resting keepers how the fuck are they tired? The other old Yank Hannaman is a better bet than Mucha as he doesn't even want to be at the club.
Drenthe was good second half but let us and himself down as there was no need to make the second tackle and his first booking was also fuckin stupid as he looked frustrated with giving the ball away.
Ime more worried how the new Angel got on before Velios? That game was there for the taking in extra time but imo Moyes told the players to take there time instead of upping the tempo as we had done in the second half which got us right back into it.
Was that game not a good chance to give Barkley a run out? Surely he can only learn from being up against some of the quality Chelsea have? I doubt he is anyones Mucha after that howler resting keepers how the fuck are they tired? The other old Yank Hannaman is a better bet than Mucha as he doesn't even want to be at the club.
Sorry Jon, I was disappointed that he was taken off but only that it took as long as it did. The lad obviously has a decent footballing brain but lacks any pace. He seems to pass the ball and then abrogate any responsibility - I wish he'd try running into space for a return pass occasionally but he doesn't seem to know how to engage or change gear.
Agree up to a point about Drenthe though. He's such an exciting player and can find the gears alright but unforuntaely rarely engages the brain.
The best of Drenthe and Bily would make a great player!
Agree up to a point about Drenthe though. He's such an exciting player and can find the gears alright but unforuntaely rarely engages the brain.
The best of Drenthe and Bily would make a great player!
Anyone know why Connor Mcnamra from the BBC was ejected from Goodison last night apparently whilst he was on air?
I was gonna say the same thing Jon, that was the shining point on last night's game. I am normally scared when he gets the ball, but he was by far our most creative player. He looked composed and played 3 or 4 notable through balls.
I just hope he continues this form. He certainly deserves a start against Utd
I just hope he continues this form. He certainly deserves a start against Utd
Is this april fools!?
Bily was average and was only barely noticed for once as he didn't fuck anything up majorly.
He is snail paced and offers no threat what so ever down the left. Centrally maybe but Moyes obviously doesn't want him there so he is a spare part.
Drenthe was our best player first half and won countless free kicks. Our most dangerous player in general.
The red card was a joke. The first booking was never a yellow card. And the second was harsh. If neither had been given no one would have complained. Saying he had an awful game is madness.
Bily was average and was only barely noticed for once as he didn't fuck anything up majorly.
He is snail paced and offers no threat what so ever down the left. Centrally maybe but Moyes obviously doesn't want him there so he is a spare part.
Drenthe was our best player first half and won countless free kicks. Our most dangerous player in general.
The red card was a joke. The first booking was never a yellow card. And the second was harsh. If neither had been given no one would have complained. Saying he had an awful game is madness.
The only reason we lost last night was Mucha.
Billy gets no game time and doesn't play in the reserves?
How Moyes or anyone else expects him to be up to the pace of the game is beyond me.
Bily and a few others need to be playing reserve team football to get match fit.
For some reason, they don't.
The same for Johnny, etc....
How Moyes or anyone else expects him to be up to the pace of the game is beyond me.
Bily and a few others need to be playing reserve team football to get match fit.
For some reason, they don't.
The same for Johnny, etc....
Come off it James. There are still areas where he needs to improve, like his positioning, defending and pace but he had a good game. Some of his combination play with Baines was excellent.
The people at the main stand were gutted when he came off.
The people at the main stand were gutted when he came off.
Every single time he got the ball the defenders tried to show him onto the right side. Mostly they accomplished this. Every single time he went right he was completely nullified. His link up play with Baines last night was probably the best it has been but this isn't saying much and he still left Baines exposed defensively a number of times (as did Drenthe on the right actually, but at least he was fairly effective going forward).
Apart from this flaw I question his fitness as he was knackered after 20 mins. Probably because his workrate in training is as poor as it is on the pitch.
A waste of a team berth. Gueye is less technical but puts in a better shift whenever I have seen him play. Play him or Barkley every time instead of Bilyaletdinov
Apart from this flaw I question his fitness as he was knackered after 20 mins. Probably because his workrate in training is as poor as it is on the pitch.
A waste of a team berth. Gueye is less technical but puts in a better shift whenever I have seen him play. Play him or Barkley every time instead of Bilyaletdinov
Give Drenthe a season under Moyes and he'll be the same as Billy. You could probably add Gueye to that list....the secret weapon, sitting in the reserves.
Skill players under Moyes don't stand a chance.
Roll on McFadden though!
Skill players under Moyes don't stand a chance.
Roll on McFadden though!
Of course Kevin #16
Moyes doesn't play Gueye cos he's another Messi & Moyes just woudn't know what to to with that. No chance that Gueye just isn't good enough?
Moyes doesn't play Gueye cos he's another Messi & Moyes just woudn't know what to to with that. No chance that Gueye just isn't good enough?
Bily has had, what, 3 years now? He's not a Prem player. Nothing against him.
Moyes' tactics have nothing to do with Bily can't cut the EPL mustard. He's shown flashes of top quality with his feet several times. Then what?
In the end, players are good enough or not. Bily's no different and he's not good enough.
He needs to be sent back from where he came.
Moyes' tactics have nothing to do with Bily can't cut the EPL mustard. He's shown flashes of top quality with his feet several times. Then what?
In the end, players are good enough or not. Bily's no different and he's not good enough.
He needs to be sent back from where he came.
I'll make my decision when I see him in his rightful position, behind the front man or with the front man. The lad has a terriffic shot on him. How many times have you seen players having shots on goal from the wing? Zilch.
So let's make use of that hammer of a left foot by putting him in the middle, he's also a good footballer.
So let's make use of that hammer of a left foot by putting him in the middle, he's also a good footballer.
Bily is not a left winger, every man and their dog can see that except the man who apparently has all the coaching badges and should not be questioned.
Cahill, Moyes's absolute favourite, gets to play behind the striker even when he is injured, has not scored a goal since last year, is just as slow and cant pass more than 10 yards, has less of a shot BUT he can header the ball in OUR box defending , the only reason he plays.
Until I see Bily playing in the role he does for RUSSIA and for nearly his ENTIRE career (he also played at left back for a few games) I wont hang him out to dry. What does anyone expect would happen to the form and performance of Jagielka or Heitinga in Midfield?, Rodwell on the right wing? Osman on the pitch at all for 70 minutes of a game every 3 weeks?
Cahill, Moyes's absolute favourite, gets to play behind the striker even when he is injured, has not scored a goal since last year, is just as slow and cant pass more than 10 yards, has less of a shot BUT he can header the ball in OUR box defending , the only reason he plays.
Until I see Bily playing in the role he does for RUSSIA and for nearly his ENTIRE career (he also played at left back for a few games) I wont hang him out to dry. What does anyone expect would happen to the form and performance of Jagielka or Heitinga in Midfield?, Rodwell on the right wing? Osman on the pitch at all for 70 minutes of a game every 3 weeks?
I thought both Bily and Rodwell should have stayed on. Bily also had a couple of good link ups with Baines. Why Cahill was kept on is a mystery, did nothing of note in the 90 mins and was a passenger in extra time. Mucha is awful, at fault for both goals. It is a shame that we wont see Drenthe against United, I think he will keep improving. He is the only player who can beat a man with skill (Coleman beats them with determination and sheer luck most of the time), but just needs to tidy up his game a bit, but hey, rough with the smooth.
I thought both Bily and Rodwell should have stayed on. Bily also had a couple of good link ups with Baines. Why Cahill was kept on is a mystery, did nothing of note in the 90 mins and was a passenger in extra time. Mucha is awful, at fault for both goals. It is a shame that we wont see Drenthe against United, I think he will keep improving. He is the only player who can beat a man with skill (Coleman beats them with determination and sheer luck most of the time), but just needs to tidy up his game a bit, but hey, rough with the smooth.
Colin @ 19 ? are you taking the piss? This is a footballer who cost £9M as such he should be able to perform as a fullback if needed.
Bily's rightful position so is he a striker? He is a midfielder and a poor one at that. Three years and a handfull of good things there are lads on here who are more consistent.
Bily for Russia Andrew whats that at least 50% of the time getting splinters in his arse, Hiddink wouldn't play him wide left as Zhirkov is on a different level and streets ahead of him.
For anybody who thinks Bily has had a raw deal, ask yourself this: Barkley a kid is a central midfielder who was asked to play wide did he look out of his depth as Billy has been for 95% of his appearances? That's the difference between shite and quality imo. As far as I'm concerned the ball does not change shape when it's in a position a player does not like.
Bily's rightful position so is he a striker? He is a midfielder and a poor one at that. Three years and a handfull of good things there are lads on here who are more consistent.
Bily for Russia Andrew whats that at least 50% of the time getting splinters in his arse, Hiddink wouldn't play him wide left as Zhirkov is on a different level and streets ahead of him.
For anybody who thinks Bily has had a raw deal, ask yourself this: Barkley a kid is a central midfielder who was asked to play wide did he look out of his depth as Billy has been for 95% of his appearances? That's the difference between shite and quality imo. As far as I'm concerned the ball does not change shape when it's in a position a player does not like.
Andrew Laird. (20).. agree with that 100%...
Bily didn't put the valuation of £9m on his own head. The daft sods at Goodison did.
Just because you pay £9m for a player, it doesn't mean that they are a £9m player (other than in price) or do you think Lescott is a £24m player, is McFadden a £5.5m player? Was AJ a £12.6m player?
Just because you pay £9m for a player, it doesn't mean that they are a £9m player (other than in price) or do you think Lescott is a £24m player, is McFadden a £5.5m player? Was AJ a £12.6m player?
Diniyar Bilyaletdinov started his career at the Youth System of Lokomotiv Moskva, making his league debut in 2004, wearing the number 63, and stayed in the first team. Diniyar Bilyaletdinov played 25 league games in his debut season, scoring five goals, including the opener in the decisive 2-0 win over FC Shinnik Yaroslavl to help Lokomotiv Moskva lift the Russian Premier League title. Diniyar Bilyaletdinov continued to play very well with Lokomotiv Moskva, scoring eight goals in 29 appearances and until now, he has scored a total of 29 goals in 156 games, a decent ratio for a left midfielder. He has also won the Russian Cup in 2007 and is also the captain of Lokomotiv Moskva.The above is a profile of Bily from early 2008, before we signed him. It suggests he was regularly playing left wing for his previous club.
Also if you look at the official Russian football awards for 2006 you will see that he was ranked 2nd in the Russian League's top 3 left wingers.
Please can people stop peddling this myth that he is a natural 'in the hole' and has played there his entire life only to be moved out wide by Moyes, it's not true, it's annoying and it's getting tiresome.
Jimmy,
Wing or left middle?
It's kind a stupid to point to other's mistakes, when YOU first write about Bily being left middle, and then your'e saying he's a winger.
Give you a clue. A wing is fast. I think Bily has some good qualities, but speed surely is not one of them.
Wing or left middle?
It's kind a stupid to point to other's mistakes, when YOU first write about Bily being left middle, and then your'e saying he's a winger.
Give you a clue. A wing is fast. I think Bily has some good qualities, but speed surely is not one of them.
Karl # 23. and Jags should be able to play center mid, NOT.
Disten should be able to play right wing, NOT.
Jimmy# 26. theres an out and out winger or as Goute says left side of midfield, two different formations, Bily is tha latter.
Disten should be able to play right wing, NOT.
Jimmy# 26. theres an out and out winger or as Goute says left side of midfield, two different formations, Bily is tha latter.
Sorry Gaute.
Sure there are subtle differences between a winger and a wide midfield player, but they occupy the same part of the pitch . .neither of them behind the striker.
Jimmy Kelly puts this one to bed for me.
Am I the only one who thinks its kinda strange that a football mad country the size of Russia has produced so few players to perform "consistantly" in the richest league in the world ?
I`m a million miles from being an expert on Russian football, but I know they have produced some fabulously gifted players. So how come players like Billy and Arshavin struggle so much with the physical aspect of the Prem ? do they grow up concentrateing purely on the technical side of the game ?
Do they have Lee Carsley`s in Russia ?
I`m sure a few will point out players I have`nt thought of, but off the top of my head, other than Kanchelskis I cant remember a Russian who has taken our game by storm
Jimmy Kelly puts this one to bed for me.
Am I the only one who thinks its kinda strange that a football mad country the size of Russia has produced so few players to perform "consistantly" in the richest league in the world ?
I`m a million miles from being an expert on Russian football, but I know they have produced some fabulously gifted players. So how come players like Billy and Arshavin struggle so much with the physical aspect of the Prem ? do they grow up concentrateing purely on the technical side of the game ?
Do they have Lee Carsley`s in Russia ?
I`m sure a few will point out players I have`nt thought of, but off the top of my head, other than Kanchelskis I cant remember a Russian who has taken our game by storm
Dave Wilson #30, you're right. Very few Russians make it England, but then they don't really need to move to England for the money. England only has one club owning Oligarch, there are plenty more where he came from funding clubs in Mother Russia.
I don't think Kanchelskis was even Russian either, I think he was Ukranian but played from Russia.
I don't think Kanchelskis was even Russian either, I think he was Ukranian but played from Russia.
Tony@25 should we say a highly rated player then? 3 years producing the odd glimpse tells me he isn't good enough regardless of position or price.
Colin defenders should be able to play in any of the defensive positions and show if there good enough or not. Creative players should be able to show if they have what it takes to be a good player regardless of what midfield or striking position they play.
Dave@30 very few foreigners apart from the real top quality who cost silly money make it in England. A few more have done well recently but i reckon twice as many have failed, as you say most have the technique but imo lack the heart and dont fancy being kicked whilst playing more games plus have no ties to there English Clubs and there wages are the same win, lose or draw and regardless of the effort they put in.
The shock of having to work harder than they do in there own Countries would have a impact in any job which is what most these players see it has.
Colin defenders should be able to play in any of the defensive positions and show if there good enough or not. Creative players should be able to show if they have what it takes to be a good player regardless of what midfield or striking position they play.
Dave@30 very few foreigners apart from the real top quality who cost silly money make it in England. A few more have done well recently but i reckon twice as many have failed, as you say most have the technique but imo lack the heart and dont fancy being kicked whilst playing more games plus have no ties to there English Clubs and there wages are the same win, lose or draw and regardless of the effort they put in.
The shock of having to work harder than they do in there own Countries would have a impact in any job which is what most these players see it has.
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