Season 2011-12
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Three Questions...
31 Comments: - Let's start on a positive theme, fellas. When was the last time one of our guys did something that made you jump off your seat & shout , "Shit hot, Lad... Shit hot!!!" For me, it's still Leon's goal against Larissa.
- On to the current sorry state of affairs now: If Fellaini's new contract is just a ploy to inflate a transfer figure in the future, would you be sorry to see him go? I've got to say I can't see anything more than an average journey man midfielder.
- Finally, this is something I've been struggling with for a while now: Why do fair-to-middling Premier League teams, as we reallistically are, continue to sign average players from no-name teams in Europe, when there are plenty of homegrown players in the lower leagues who are at least as good & would bust their nuts for a team with the traditions of Everton?
Vic Flange, Posted 14/12/2011 at 21:41:46
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I think the answer to 3. is that the other English teams know we have no money to pay the cash they need and we can get European players on HP.
1. Drenthe's goal against Fulham. Why is he not playing at the moment? Can't stand the secrecy.
2.I think he's quality. Not all the time but still young and has potential to really dominate games in central midfield.
3. Not enough English players have the same technique as European counterparts. Over here effort and physical attributes are placed first. To survive in Premier league most players need decent technique (Big Vic aside). Also its cheaper abroad.
2.I think he's quality. Not all the time but still young and has potential to really dominate games in central midfield.
3. Not enough English players have the same technique as European counterparts. Over here effort and physical attributes are placed first. To survive in Premier league most players need decent technique (Big Vic aside). Also its cheaper abroad.
What is going on with Drenthe?
Apparently he has built a nightclub in the basement of his house. Maybe he got stuck down there?
Seriously though, I was of the understanding that he was injured but I have heard a few whispers lately that not all is well.
2. Fellaini is a fantastic player, the only genuinely class player in our team at the moment. With the right players around him he could anchor a fantastic midfield.
Apparently he has built a nightclub in the basement of his house. Maybe he got stuck down there?
Seriously though, I was of the understanding that he was injured but I have heard a few whispers lately that not all is well.
2. Fellaini is a fantastic player, the only genuinely class player in our team at the moment. With the right players around him he could anchor a fantastic midfield.
Andrew, the Echo have denied the rumours that there has been a falling out with Moyes.
So now we know it must be true and he'll never play for us again.
So now we know it must be true and he'll never play for us again.
1 = Bilyaletdinov's goals against Wolves, Portsmouth and Man U.
2 = He is by far our best player now and can dictate the midfield play with ease. It would help if his team mates would actually move for him too.
3 = He had a scan on his foot last week and it is not as bad as first feared. All the internet talk must be the truth though, because it suits some peoples agendas.
Drenthe and Moyes are the best of mates and were on the Karaoke together in O'Neill's in town. It's true because I have only just made it up......
2 = He is by far our best player now and can dictate the midfield play with ease. It would help if his team mates would actually move for him too.
3 = He had a scan on his foot last week and it is not as bad as first feared. All the internet talk must be the truth though, because it suits some peoples agendas.
Drenthe and Moyes are the best of mates and were on the Karaoke together in O'Neill's in town. It's true because I have only just made it up......
......... I believe it was 'Islands in the stream' ala Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton
People are retarded when it comes to Fellaini. I cannot believe some of the crap people post on him. "Average journeyman midfielder" LOL. Bet you clap at Kenwright as well!
Vic I take it you weren't at the Stoke game then? Fellaini did another amazing pirhouette away from a couple of Stoke players, sheer class. He's a holding midfielder in a team with no attacking midfielders, if he played for Barcelona everyone would think he was world class.
Re Fellaini.
I don't think he's a genius - far from it.
But I think he's alright and do believe he could be an asset in a decent side.
Can't (so won't) blame him for how he's perceived either, or what he's paid.
Because the situation is that these days 'alright' is now where genius used to be and kind of understandably so.
WHY understandably?
Because shite (nb: TOTAL shite that needs 5 touches to get the fucking ball under control, can't tackle, shoot, head, score or accurately pass a ball 10 yards) is on 25-30 grand a week (nb: A FUCKING WEEK!).
Not only that but total shite now gets flogged for 2-4 million (nb: MILLION!)
So, it appears now if you're shite, you're NOT shite.
Now you're 'alright' or 'a good squad player' or you'll 'do a turn' etc
And if you're average you're...well, Fellaini.
Guess that's the problem with falling standards, they fall very gradually and we don't notice them slipping.
By the time we do, usually too late.
I don't think he's a genius - far from it.
But I think he's alright and do believe he could be an asset in a decent side.
Can't (so won't) blame him for how he's perceived either, or what he's paid.
Because the situation is that these days 'alright' is now where genius used to be and kind of understandably so.
WHY understandably?
Because shite (nb: TOTAL shite that needs 5 touches to get the fucking ball under control, can't tackle, shoot, head, score or accurately pass a ball 10 yards) is on 25-30 grand a week (nb: A FUCKING WEEK!).
Not only that but total shite now gets flogged for 2-4 million (nb: MILLION!)
So, it appears now if you're shite, you're NOT shite.
Now you're 'alright' or 'a good squad player' or you'll 'do a turn' etc
And if you're average you're...well, Fellaini.
Guess that's the problem with falling standards, they fall very gradually and we don't notice them slipping.
By the time we do, usually too late.
Just realised that my No 3 was not the answer to the actual question.
Teams go abroad because the prices and wages are generally lower for average players and if any Englishman shows a modicum of skill another million gets added to their price tag......£35m for Andy ha ha ha Carro...ha ha ha £35m for And...he he ha ha ha fucken £35 million English Pounds for Andy Carroll ha ha ha ...oohhh I feel dizzy.
Unbefuckenbelievable.....ha ha ha £35 million he he
Teams go abroad because the prices and wages are generally lower for average players and if any Englishman shows a modicum of skill another million gets added to their price tag......£35m for Andy ha ha ha Carro...ha ha ha £35m for And...he he ha ha ha fucken £35 million English Pounds for Andy Carroll ha ha ha ...oohhh I feel dizzy.
Unbefuckenbelievable.....ha ha ha £35 million he he
1) Some of Bainesy's play has been top drawer - his free kick away at Tottenham was pretty special, as have been some of his assists.
2) Surely the extra we are paying him (say £0,000 a week) would wipe out any extra money we could sell him for now that he has extended his contract? So that one can't be right.
3) Very valid question. For every top foreign player we have seen in the Premier League, we have seen 3 or 4 bench warmers. Some of them have cost top dollar - Veron at man U, Shevchenko at Chelsea, Rebrov at Tottenham. Closer to home, for the £16 million or so we paid for Billy and Heitinga, could we not have got better value from the Championship?
We have had some great deals in the past - Cahill, Martyn, Lescoot etc. But like someone else said, you have to pay the cash up front in most cases in England. On the continent, you can pay on the never never. Which probably suits us.
2) Surely the extra we are paying him (say £0,000 a week) would wipe out any extra money we could sell him for now that he has extended his contract? So that one can't be right.
3) Very valid question. For every top foreign player we have seen in the Premier League, we have seen 3 or 4 bench warmers. Some of them have cost top dollar - Veron at man U, Shevchenko at Chelsea, Rebrov at Tottenham. Closer to home, for the £16 million or so we paid for Billy and Heitinga, could we not have got better value from the Championship?
We have had some great deals in the past - Cahill, Martyn, Lescoot etc. But like someone else said, you have to pay the cash up front in most cases in England. On the continent, you can pay on the never never. Which probably suits us.
#1 Bily's goal against Man U along with Rodwell's.
#2 what Mike Allison at #9 says.
#3 Pieenar with 6 months left goes for 2 million. A englishman with 6 months left from the championship goes for 3+. Also, look at Man Utd. Young for 15million, when Benfica continually sign top-class argies for 7-8. Jones for 17million and Smalling for 11. You can get better foreigners for 4 (look at Cabeye and Tiote at Newcastle, 4 million ffs)
#2 what Mike Allison at #9 says.
#3 Pieenar with 6 months left goes for 2 million. A englishman with 6 months left from the championship goes for 3+. Also, look at Man Utd. Young for 15million, when Benfica continually sign top-class argies for 7-8. Jones for 17million and Smalling for 11. You can get better foreigners for 4 (look at Cabeye and Tiote at Newcastle, 4 million ffs)
1. Pienaar's chip against Arsenal was the last time I really thought "Jesus Christ!!"
2. I would be very sorry to see him go, I think he is class.
3. I think it's the cost, an overseas player who is as good as a Championship player will cost so much less, unfortunately. How much did Vellios cost compared to Connor Wickham? I can't see much difference in quality in all honesty but the price difference is crazy.
2. I would be very sorry to see him go, I think he is class.
3. I think it's the cost, an overseas player who is as good as a Championship player will cost so much less, unfortunately. How much did Vellios cost compared to Connor Wickham? I can't see much difference in quality in all honesty but the price difference is crazy.
Fellani looks class almost every time he plays, and that's in a dire Everton team. Distin, Baines and Fellaini are the only players in our entire squad where I don't feel like I'm going to have a panic attack when they're on the ball.
1 - When Sharpy smacked one home on the volley against the RS/Rideout at the far post at Wembley '85.
2 - Fellaini is overated at best. I never understand why he gets so many plaudits. The occasional pirouette does not make you world class. All this continued talk of him being full of promise is bullshit - he's 23 not 16.
3 - We DO buy from the lower leagues. We also buy from Eurpope but end up with players like Bilyaletdinov and Fellaini = wasted money.
Our biggest problem is not having a pot to piss in, and zero prestige when it comes to European players and British players alike - we all love the club and remember when we were a top team, but look at the ages of players now and their memories/view of Everton......err......Ever-who??!
2 - Fellaini is overated at best. I never understand why he gets so many plaudits. The occasional pirouette does not make you world class. All this continued talk of him being full of promise is bullshit - he's 23 not 16.
3 - We DO buy from the lower leagues. We also buy from Eurpope but end up with players like Bilyaletdinov and Fellaini = wasted money.
Our biggest problem is not having a pot to piss in, and zero prestige when it comes to European players and British players alike - we all love the club and remember when we were a top team, but look at the ages of players now and their memories/view of Everton......err......Ever-who??!
*Rideout '95
Agree Alex. Watchin Fella regularly he shows what class he has, control and passing are miles above anyone else at our club!
On other news Donavan has just put "once a Toffee, always a Toffee" on his twitter feed. Speculation yes but could this mean a move is on the cards? I have asked him this question but alas no reply!
On other news Donavan has just put "once a Toffee, always a Toffee" on his twitter feed. Speculation yes but could this mean a move is on the cards? I have asked him this question but alas no reply!
Fellaini has shown glimpses, but all the talk of 'class ' and ' quality ' is a tad premature.
Beckfords goals against Blackpool and Chelsea were pretty special.
If Rooney/Messi/Ronaldo/etc had scored those goals they would shown constantly on TV.
I think Fellaini is a good player. Like almost every player he would look much,much better with better players around him. More movement,more options.
And,as others have said,the price of English players is far,far greater than those on the Continent. Just look how much Liverpool paid for Carrol and Henderson.
Personally,i rate Andy Carrol and think he will go on to have a great career. Henderson as also shown glimpes of being a top player. But even so,the money they cost was ridiculous bearing in mind we are still talking about players with potential rather than proven,international class performers.
If Rooney/Messi/Ronaldo/etc had scored those goals they would shown constantly on TV.
I think Fellaini is a good player. Like almost every player he would look much,much better with better players around him. More movement,more options.
And,as others have said,the price of English players is far,far greater than those on the Continent. Just look how much Liverpool paid for Carrol and Henderson.
Personally,i rate Andy Carrol and think he will go on to have a great career. Henderson as also shown glimpes of being a top player. But even so,the money they cost was ridiculous bearing in mind we are still talking about players with potential rather than proven,international class performers.
There have been many outstanding moments not necessarily goals.
Some of Howard's saves have been phenominal but it's more difficult to recall specific ones compared to goals.
Fellaini is a good player but not yet great.
Like many other Everton players he does not seem able to maintain a high consistancy over 90 minutes.
It just seems unless they score first and early that the impetus they start with just drains away as the game goes on.
Regarding foreign imports I agree they are no better than the British lad from the lower leagues but as it is now an ''international league'' clubs seem to think it is more attractive to have a foreign player with an exotic sounding name that cost a few bob as opposed to a no-name whole hearted player from outside the Prem.
God knows we have had our share at Goodison. Remember the likes of Amokachi and Bakayoko?
Some of Howard's saves have been phenominal but it's more difficult to recall specific ones compared to goals.
Fellaini is a good player but not yet great.
Like many other Everton players he does not seem able to maintain a high consistancy over 90 minutes.
It just seems unless they score first and early that the impetus they start with just drains away as the game goes on.
Regarding foreign imports I agree they are no better than the British lad from the lower leagues but as it is now an ''international league'' clubs seem to think it is more attractive to have a foreign player with an exotic sounding name that cost a few bob as opposed to a no-name whole hearted player from outside the Prem.
God knows we have had our share at Goodison. Remember the likes of Amokachi and Bakayoko?
1. Fellaini's pirouette supplanted Manny Fernandes's bag-o-tricks against Pompey and Le Arse. I love skill.
2. Fellaini is awesome and will get more awesome when we get some pacy wingers for him to give the ball to. ( So it may take awhile to get to ultimate awesomeness )
3. Because Vladimir Kickaballov from the Estonian Premier League is so much more exotic sounding and glamorous than Dave Prattsbottom from Droylesden
2. Fellaini is awesome and will get more awesome when we get some pacy wingers for him to give the ball to. ( So it may take awhile to get to ultimate awesomeness )
3. Because Vladimir Kickaballov from the Estonian Premier League is so much more exotic sounding and glamorous than Dave Prattsbottom from Droylesden
1. Standing up and shouting "Shit hot lad......shit hot"...........i can't remember, err Louis Saha's goal in the FA Cup Final, i was shit faced in a tent round the corner from the stadium. Nearly smashed my new glasses having been jumped on by my 6'5" brother.
2. Fellaini is inconsistent to the point of frustration, but unbelievably he is a player who has SKILL that Moyes plays, wow??! He doesn't make my heart race like former players have, but then again Graham Stuart was my favourite player!!
3. We should look to the lower leagues and i think we do, but we are not succesful, we are looking abroad, but for gods sake i've seen on the BBC website that we're linked with a 23 year old French/Portugese Centre Back for half a million, what the hell is the point??
Why bother, i'd rather us invest in British youth, George Green for example, but we'll probably be in the Championship by the time he comes to fruition, if he does that even!
Lower league teams are not producing the quality they used to though are they? take Crewe for example, or Luton even, those days are gone and it's rare that players actually surpass expectation and make it in the Premiership, it's a shame, it really is but then what young talent would be attracted to us at the moment!
2. Fellaini is inconsistent to the point of frustration, but unbelievably he is a player who has SKILL that Moyes plays, wow??! He doesn't make my heart race like former players have, but then again Graham Stuart was my favourite player!!
3. We should look to the lower leagues and i think we do, but we are not succesful, we are looking abroad, but for gods sake i've seen on the BBC website that we're linked with a 23 year old French/Portugese Centre Back for half a million, what the hell is the point??
Why bother, i'd rather us invest in British youth, George Green for example, but we'll probably be in the Championship by the time he comes to fruition, if he does that even!
Lower league teams are not producing the quality they used to though are they? take Crewe for example, or Luton even, those days are gone and it's rare that players actually surpass expectation and make it in the Premiership, it's a shame, it really is but then what young talent would be attracted to us at the moment!
I think its relative cost, not 'exoticness'. The 'exotic' factor definitely played a part in the initial 90s influx of foreign players but Tony, Fran and Chris (11, 13 & 14) have summed up my thoughts.
1 - Drenthe against fulham
2 - If we sold him for good money I would be ok but he is out best technical player - touch / passing and with better players around him he would show what he is truely capable of
3 - welcomed to be corrected on this but I believe if you sign a player abroad you can pay over the length of the contract - if you sign domestically then has to be settled in 12 months
2 - If we sold him for good money I would be ok but he is out best technical player - touch / passing and with better players around him he would show what he is truely capable of
3 - welcomed to be corrected on this but I believe if you sign a player abroad you can pay over the length of the contract - if you sign domestically then has to be settled in 12 months
Baines free kick v Chelsea, Beckford's v Chelsea, and Arteta v the RS all last season
Fellaini finds it difficult to pass to a colleague, his heading ability is lousy for a tall guy, get's frustrated too easily and gives the opposition a target to wind up and takes the bait. His goal contribution is zilch, both scoring and assisting. Moves like a giraffe with piles and apart from 2 ballet moves, I haven't seen anything that warrants such a hefty price tag and lucrative contract. The proof of the pudding etc. and unlike Pienaar, Arteta, Jags, Rodwell etc. no other manager has ever seemed remotely interested in him, strange considering our dire financial position, and him being such a young talent
What Mike said.
1) Drenthe's rocket against Fulham. Breathtaking strike, excellent execution.
2) I believe Fellaini is our most talented player (he is also my favourite) and I would hate to see him go. If he did, it would leave a huge gap in our midfield. I can really see him though dominating for Madrid or Chelsea, I think they would know how to play him to his full effect.
2) I believe Fellaini is our most talented player (he is also my favourite) and I would hate to see him go. If he did, it would leave a huge gap in our midfield. I can really see him though dominating for Madrid or Chelsea, I think they would know how to play him to his full effect.
Answer to Q1: Gosling against the uglies
1. Jonny shoulder barging Ashley Cole before muttering something that could only have been genius in the shoot-out last season.
2. That Fellaini is our record transfer, by nearly 50% on the next closest buy is offensive when considering what he's brought to the club. When he signed that new deal, the only joy I got was that, yes, his price will now be inflated. Been said before, but his passes don't find space or players as often as they should, he is carded almost every game, and he's 6'5" of bad heading.
3. English players have more access to the English game, and are therefore more in tune with all the clubs. If you were a young Englishman, would you want to transfer to a club with no money and a manager who can't get the best out of his players, whilst leaving underperforming favourites in the squad week in week out?
2. That Fellaini is our record transfer, by nearly 50% on the next closest buy is offensive when considering what he's brought to the club. When he signed that new deal, the only joy I got was that, yes, his price will now be inflated. Been said before, but his passes don't find space or players as often as they should, he is carded almost every game, and he's 6'5" of bad heading.
3. English players have more access to the English game, and are therefore more in tune with all the clubs. If you were a young Englishman, would you want to transfer to a club with no money and a manager who can't get the best out of his players, whilst leaving underperforming favourites in the squad week in week out?
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