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Iffy decisions: (1) Yakubu; 12 goals and counting... bank debt or not Davie, wtf were you thinking? He showed some promise in the Derby then not selected. Was the fall-out that bad, is your pride that big? One of many in an ever increasing list of iffy decisions.... <0P> Iffy decisions: (2) The old favourite of bringing back attackers to mark and defend at corners and free-kicks. So what if SAF and others do it, does it make it right? Mostly attackers don't have a clue about defending and cause more trouble than they are worth... Eh Mr Berbatov??... really paid off for you didn't it, Sir Alex?

Iffy decisions: (3) The ref of the Man Utd ? Blackburn game. In fact all Prem Refs and the Premier League. Have a look at what you are doing....Shirt pulling is a foul and in the box a penalty, you don't wait until the puller falls over and drags the pullee down before blowing up, what were you waiting for? some sort of advantage... Were you waiting to see if Samba could break free?? Pull shirt = foul or penalty, simple.

Trouble is, the list of Long, Medium and Short on- and off-field decisions in this Club is immense.

Rant over, but jeez it does my crust in to see how they are fucking up a good game and a Great Club.
Derek Thomas, Brisbane     Posted 01/01/2012 at 01:48:34

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Jimmy Sørheim
1   Posted 01/01/2012 at 10:06:00

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Getting rid of Yakubu was hasty and wasteful, even without all those goals at Blackburn he could have done better than Saha and Cahill have done so far.
I just can not see the logic in it so it has to be like you said, Moyes has a ego bigger than the club itself, it is embarresing to see Yakubu in Blackburn when you think of the microscopical fee we got for him, You can not get Berbatovs left foot for 1.25 million, let alone any quality striker.
A decicion that will forever haunt me and Moyes should go and sulk in a corner for it.
Andy Crooks
2   Posted 01/01/2012 at 10:20:37

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I just don't understand the sale of Yakubu. He played his best game for some tine then disappeared. A very iffy decision,Derek,
Alasdair Mackay
3   Posted 01/01/2012 at 11:22:47

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I think there is more to the Yakubu situation than meets the eye.

I wouldn't be surprised if he forced the move because he wanted another big signing-on fee!
Nick Entwistle
4   Posted 01/01/2012 at 11:36:17

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A new year's day and the manager gets slated before the lunch time game. Love that feeling of positivity and potential for the new year Derek!
Gary Mortimer
5   Posted 01/01/2012 at 11:57:50

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The famous Yakubu 1st season syndrome still applies.

He was too lazy for Moyes - who likes most of his players to spend most of their time in our own penalty area defending.
Paul Joy
6   Posted 01/01/2012 at 12:00:03

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Yak had effectively stopped playing for us before the Leicester loan. Never mind stopped playing he had actually stopped moving. In fact the only thing that he had'nt stopped doing was eating.
Rumour was rife before the sale that Yak had wanted an increase from his 40,000 pies a week and we could not afford his pie demands so he went for all the chicken you can eat at Blackburn. As Blackburn are now skint again Yak has eaten his way through their coffers. Seriously though Yak has always scored goals when he has tried to . Our problem was that he stopped trying for Everton.
Jimmy Sørheim
7   Posted 01/01/2012 at 11:55:20

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Wow, what a defense of Moyes Alasdair?
You have quite the imagination!!!
I am amazed at how some people can defend the giving away for free sale of Yakubu.
I loved Yakubu and I never thought he had lost his ability, despite his struggles after the long injury.
Last season he did a good job against Liverpool and Stoke where he scored but Moyes then threw him out of the team without so much as a peep.
It is unforgivable to sell a striker you bought for 11.25 million for only 1.25 million, it really is a disgrace and has stained my view of Moyes in a major way.
I can understand the money need from the sale of Arteta, 10 million was a okay fee for Arteta, but that leaves the Yakubu sale all the more baffling and pointless.
Look at the rubbish we are left with, how can you defend selling your best goalscoring striker for 1 million, add to that Moyes turns to the media and complains that he needs a striker............
Resign David Moyes, you have lost it, your tactic never change you never adapt, you need to go as soon as possible.
You only have an uphill battle from here that you can not win as you put yourself in a much worse situation then you had to.
James Stewart
8   Posted 01/01/2012 at 13:40:52

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It is true Yakubu wanted out but whose fault is that. Yak was never a moyes type player and he was poorly handled. The best striker we have had in years and he was immense against liverpool so I'd hardly say he wasn't trying before he left.

Terrible decision.
David Hallwood
9   Posted 01/01/2012 at 14:41:16

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Jimmy#7 look at the finances, it was a case of getting 3 players off the wage bill, that is probably saving the club £130+ a week. I've stated this several times but what is obvious is that Everton held a fire sale and every player was up for sale providing the price was right.

Meanwhile the board was acting like used car salesman and playing hardball, up to the wire when they panicked and took the offers that were on the table.

Moyes is like any other manager and maybe doesn't fancy Yak of Beckford, but doesn't want to lose players without replacements. This transfer window will see just how in the finacial shite we are
Rob Teo
10   Posted 01/01/2012 at 14:59:45

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David#9, The fire-sale explanation still doesn't account for the massive undervaluation of the Yak. I mean, 1.25 million for a proven Premier League striker is nothing short of laughable in today's market - except it's Blackburn laughing all the way to the bank, not us. We may be skint, but not that skint that the bank was putting pressure on the board to come up with that sort of money.

Also, I think the writing was on the wall for the Yak ever since the Liverpool game. I recall there being numerous comments on this site about why he was dropped subsequently when he'd performed so brilliantly in that game. So, I can't say I'm convinced that he was sold as part of a fire sale for financial reasons alone.
David Hallwood
11   Posted 01/01/2012 at 15:12:13

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Like I said when a person/business back is against the wall they are in no position to drive a hard bargain, the rest of football know this and what will happen is derisory offers for Rodwell/Barclay knowing that we are not in a position to turn the money down.

Plus people rarely factor in the wages when buying/selling a player, and that is a huge facter in reducing operating costs. That's why we didn't even get 'free' transfers in
Paul Olsen
12   Posted 01/01/2012 at 16:21:05

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Gah, i hate seeing that old 1st season syndrome myth every time Yakubu is mentioned.

Check out his scoring stats, nothing there would imply that he actually fades after the first season at a club. That is EXCEPT Everton, a club where how many besides Yakubu have scored 20+ goals in a season the last 25 years?
Tony J Williams
13   Posted 01/01/2012 at 16:25:24

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So would you want the Yak of the West Ham game playing for us then? The useless fat lump who jogged about a bit and didn't have a shot on goal?

So what he is doing well for a team that will probably get relegated? He wasn't doing it for us so get over it and well done for the grandad.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing for the "I knew was right but didn't mention it before" posters. Most wanted him gone but none he is scoring for a shite side, it's al Moyes's fault. Do me a favour?

Why didn't a Championship side manager want him after the loan?
James Stewart
14   Posted 01/01/2012 at 17:14:03

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Tony the point is Yak is the only striker we had capable of scoring 15-20 goals.

The west ham game he was shite your right but he clearly still has the ability so for me its partly down to Moyes that he wasn't performing.
And why didn't we see him after his MOTM against liverpool? All stinks of a bust up.

Yak will finish the season with more than our entire strikers, if you can call them that, combined.
James Stewart
15   Posted 01/01/2012 at 17:20:38

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http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11676/7405437/Kean-playing-to-Yak-s-strengths

Hits the nail on the head.

"We don't ask him to run to the channels. We just ask him to play the width of the box. We know if we can give him good service, he can get himself some goals."
Russ Quinlan
16   Posted 01/01/2012 at 17:54:16

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In other words James, play your players in their natural position and to their own strengths, not to what YOU (i.e. Moyes) wants.

If you then complain, you're out on your arse.


Sounds so familiar............
Nick Entwistle
17   Posted 01/01/2012 at 21:02:47

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The only place I've heard about Yak's one season myth is on here. What people have got mixed up is his ability to completely close down as a player when he wants a move. This from his time at Portsmouth and Boro.
Roman Sidey
18   Posted 02/01/2012 at 02:05:05

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Rob Teo, what were some of the reasons put forward on TW for Yak's being dropped after the Liverpool game? I only ask as I have only used this site for about 12 months and never heard any theories. I know it's obvious he and Moyes had a falling out, but I'd be interested to know what some people, probably a lot closer to the sources than I, know.
Anto Byrne
19   Posted 02/01/2012 at 08:08:46

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We don't need the Yak ? we've got the "The Vic" by all accounts a very good player down on confidence. Before Nolan did him, he was coming along quite well so here's hoping he can get a run in the side and bang in a few goals. Moyes can sell him in the summer and bring in a right back. Kyle Naughton at Norwich maybe...
Wayne Smyth
20   Posted 02/01/2012 at 08:31:25

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David(11), what about getting rid of Neville who is on £40k / week and does absolutely nothing for us when playing and for whom we have cover in central midfield where Moyes plays him?

Or Bily who is probably on similar wages, but Moyes doesn't rate enough to give a few minutes in the Cahill role?

You could go through many in our squad who are sat on the bench or do fuck all when playing and get rid of those, but no, Moyes decides to give away the best goalscorer, since Lineker at a time when we can barely buy a goal.....and to top it off, we get just over a million quid for him!??!?

We got such a paltry fee for him because every man and their dog knew that he was never going to play for us again because of Moyes pig-headedness and inability to work with players HE signed. That's why we got more than twice as much for Beckford.

The ONLY reasons for getting rid of Yak were if he was causing unrest in the squad - which would've come out by now - or if his injury made him completely crocked and unable to play at this level. The latter is clearly not the case.

Then to top all this off, Moyes pleads poverty about lacking the finances to get a decent striker. Should've fucking worked with what he had, the incompetent git!
Richard Watts
21   Posted 02/01/2012 at 14:58:58

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Sorry, but it's easy to be be wise with hindsight. The general consensus on this site, and amongst all Blues, over the Summer was that the Yak had never been the same after injury and was finished. His performances last season were largely dire and so Beckford - of all people - was picked ahead of him. Again, most Blues thought we'd got a good deal for him on deadline day.

OK, so it could be that that was wrong, although don't underestimate how much a change of scenery can be good for a player low on confidence and fitness. But if selling Yak was a mistake then it was a mistake that the vast majority of Blues would have made had they been in Moyes' position.
Dave Wilson
22   Posted 02/01/2012 at 15:08:17

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Err . .whats all this about the Yaks brilliant performance agasinst Liverpool ? ? ? he barged a few people out of the way and got the crowed fired up yes, but brilliant ? . . .he had nothing to do with either of our goals nor did he look like scoring himslef.

He took incredible stick on here and at the match itself, not just because he had been garbage for years.but because he was going through the motions.

Now all of a sudden there are more Evertonians who loved him than there is Chelsea fans claiming to be at all their games in the 70`s.

Players fall out with Managers every day, but not many of them take the sort of abuse The Yak took . . maybe thats why he couldnt get away quick enough

Iffy decisions ? . . . Iffy memories
Mark Riding
23   Posted 02/01/2012 at 15:29:41

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#22 Dave, Yak is due a standing on the half way line doing nothing performance soon for Blackburn..
His injury was a shocker though.
Dan McKie
24   Posted 02/01/2012 at 20:56:26

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So we complain about selling now he's doing well? He was crap, fat and lazy for us before and everyone wanted rid! There is an unlimited list of players in similar scenarios. Why did Real Sociedad sell us Arteta for £2 mil? Because he was crap! Pienaar was crap for Dortmund too etc. etc.
Clive Lewis
25   Posted 02/01/2012 at 22:37:56

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This is an interesting piece in the mirror about the Yakubu situation........


http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/david-anderson/David-Anderson-Everton-column-Was-selling-Yakubu-to-Blackburn-the-worst-call-of-David-Moyes-Everton-career-article842100.html
John Gee
26   Posted 02/01/2012 at 23:14:16

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Listening to Blackburn fans on radio phone-ins calling him lazy and saying he just waits for the ball to come to him makes me realise that he can score 40 goals this season but Blackburn will still go down because while he's on the pitch they only have ten players.

He was fucking terrible for us since his injury and at the time I thought we were lucky to get more than 500 grand.

Oh, and iffy decision #2... Fuck me, do you think leaving a man up front at a corner makes any difference whatsoever? That player is better in our box ready to charge down, head clear, block a run, cover a post or anything that contributes to defending a situation that requires defending.

This 'leave a man up' issue is making it onto so many threads and it's pathetic. The logic of it is based on a multitude of variables and not one of them trumps the importance of defending a corner! What was the comment? Just cause SAF (the proven best manager in English football history) does it doesnt make it right. Jesus wept, stick to kangaroo bashing, cobber.
Bryan Ruiz
27   Posted 03/01/2012 at 14:37:01

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Just admit it guys, you are all using The Yak as an example to slate off Moyes, he was dreadful for Everton.
Everytime he plays he stands on the last man, he was always offside or otherwise he got the ball and lost it the opposition because he has nothing about his game.
Fair play to him scoring goals for Blackburn but he does that at every club he plays for, in the first season, after his first season at Middlesbrough and Everton he turned awful and lazy.
If any of you who slate of Moyes, watch a Blackburn game, you will realise he is still awful, at Sunderland away, it was like having 10 men for Blackburn, Kean would have surely took him off at half-time had it not been for the injuries. I believe it was due to the Yak, losing that game, due to his laziness at not tracking back.
Ray Roche
28   Posted 03/01/2012 at 15:04:23

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John Gee

Leaving a man up front whilst defending a corner invariably means the team defending the corner will leave TWO players back to cover him,thus reducing the number of men that can attck the ball. It also increases the possibility of catching them on the break. What is pathetic is you not being able to grasp the basics.
Sam Hoare
29   Posted 03/01/2012 at 16:32:30

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So bored of this self righteous Yakubu ranting!! VERY few people were singing his praises on here last season and there is a reason that no-one but desperate Blackburn wanted him. Because he looked useless!

Fair play to him and Kean, though you might notice that Blackburn aren't profiting that much.

He is having a resurgence in a team that is set up to provide ammo for him at the expense of losing points overall it would seem.

Would anyone here trade our position for Blackburns? Didn't think so.
Tony J Williams
30   Posted 03/01/2012 at 16:46:16

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I don't know Sam, I bet a few would so they could "tell us so"
James Flynn
31   Posted 03/01/2012 at 16:02:35

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Interesting that the manager who gave Yak his longest one-club run and for whom he scored his most goals in a season was Moyes.

Fucking Moyes. Yeah, right.

Also, had 2 games on TV over here with Bolton playing. Kean described Yak's "role" more diplomatically than many here have. He stands around the off-side line and does absolutely nothing but poach (and doesn't even do that consistently either).

He did at EFC what he's done with other clubs. Played his way off the team. Except, again, Moyes hung in with him longer than any other manager. Yakubu - Shoulders down, world class. Neck up, Rooms to Let.
Ray Roche
32   Posted 03/01/2012 at 17:13:17

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Sam. I was one who,in the past, has taken the opinion that Yakubu was playing for his usual move and big signing on fee,however, in fairness, the Yak had put in a couple of very good performances, likein the Derby, and still found himself left on the bench. I would have been happier if Moyes had tried harder to motivate the Yak instead of getting rid of him for next to nothing. You are, of course, right that no-one would willingly swap places with Blackburn but the Yak migh do enough to keep them up. Where would they be this season without him? And how much did they pay for someone who might well prove to be their saviour.? Beginning to lokk like the bargain of the season. Blackburns Kevin Campbell!
Lol McNally
33   Posted 03/01/2012 at 18:49:40

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Yea so let's play Saha and Cahill who ain't scored since ................... CAN'T REMEMBER!!!!
Dave Wilson
34   Posted 03/01/2012 at 19:02:16

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The Yak could still be scoring goals when he`s sixty. He`s a rarity. He smiles just as much when he doesnt score, as when he does. .and there lies the problem.

Moyes`s critics will jump up and down and scream "LOOK, THE YAK`S SCORED AGAIN !" and fair play to him he has taken his goals well in the five matches he has scored in . .but its all the other games that worry the Blackburn fans.
They`ll think of the sitters he`s missed like yesterday, or when he took the ball of Dunns foot as he was about to bury the shite at Anfield. They`ll have been ringing their hands in frustration as time and again he squandered possession with a shrug of the shoulders at the stadium of Light when his team really needed him to roll his sleeves up to help them hang onto their lead

Yes the Yak knows where the net is alright , BUT, if Blackburn go down, he will have to shoulder his share of the blame, he will have cost them as many points as he as won them

People have taken great delight in shouting Moyes got his transfers all wrong by unloading Arteta, Beckford and Yakubu . . but what are you going to say if :

Beckford continues to be frozen out by kid at a championship club.

The super Eagle joins his former bench warming partner in the championship.

Arsenal dont qualify for the Champions league for the first time in memory, because despite playing with the country`s top scorer and the fastest winger in the world, the ageing Arteta will have been proven to be a very poor mans Fabrigas.

MORE TO THE POINT! what are you going to say if Moyes`s Everton finish with more points Than last season, without them ?? ?

do you think there is reasonable chance all four of these things will happen ? . . .and If/when they do will you come on and say Moyes got it 100%right and you got it 100% wrong ?

Derek

I do believe all of these things will happen, if I`m right . . will you submit an article called "Hindsight - Astute Decisions" ?
Mark Riding
35   Posted 03/01/2012 at 20:03:14

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#33 Dave.. I thought he was 60 ! ( sorry, couldnt resist that..)
John Gee
36   Posted 05/01/2012 at 12:51:13

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Ray #28, seems like I'm in good company in 'not understanding the basics' as so many top-flight managers think that defending a corner gives a team a responsibility to defend not an opportunity to attack.

You seem pretty confused so let me explain a football basic for you... The most successful teams will defend in numbers, the more bodies they get back when under pressure, the more chance they will have of winning the ball back or prevent a goal or a chance.

I'll do you another favour and explain where your opinion on 'leave one up' comes from... an anti-Moyes ranter isolated one thread of logic and presented it as a truism and it was picked up by ToffeeWebbers as a way of bashing Moyes. It rests on so many variables such as, the ball has to fall in the right area for the attacker to get it, while under pressure he has to control it almost perfectly, the defender has to not make a challenge, our midfield must break in numbers as support, the pass to midfield has to be spot on or you've just isolated your defence while the opposition has numbers forward, the play must result in something that will stop the game (a throw, corner or goal) or you find that the players you need to defend have had to sprint up and then back down the pitch.

Also, you have a better chance of counter-attacking if you break out of your own box with pace while the opposition only have one back.

Can you grasp the basics now? Well, can yer?

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