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Who is really to Blame?

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I have been following ToffeeWeb for some time now and would like to ask the following question: Who is really to blame for the state of the club?

My observation is that most contributors are blaming Kenwright and Moyes, perhaps this should be rethought slightly.

Kenwright is only the Chairman of the club, there is a deputy Chairman - Jon Woods - and a board of directors - Robert Earl and Sir Philip Carter CBE - (4 people in total) all of whom will be contributing in some measure to the management of the club. Surely the financial mismanagement is a collective responsibility and not just Kenwright's responsibility? My opinion is that Kenwright and the whole board should be brought to account and replaced not just Kenwright.

As for Moyes, what has been said elsewhere about team selection, tactics, attitude etc I can only agree with, but, he is not responsible for the state of the club that rests with the board. He should go because what happens on the pitch is of his making. (I must add that the players must shoulder a good measure of blame once the game is underway.)

Sorry this is a ramble, but I would just like to see some real logic behind the calls for change.

Please can we blame 'The Board' if the discussion is mismangement of the club and Moyes if it is mismanagement of the team?
Derek Arrowsmith, Queensland, Australia     Posted 12/01/2012 at 02:34:05

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Dennis Stevens
035   Posted 12/01/2012 at 17:21:45

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Yes.
Barry Rathbone
042   Posted 12/01/2012 at 17:24:32

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It's about that old-fashioned idea that the buck stops somewhere.

Moyes buys and sells the players if he's to be taken at face value - difficult after the Arteta remarks - so he rightly carries the can for what is on the pitch.
In the absence of complaint or resigning as used to be the norm when managers weren't paid in the millions one can only assume Moyes is happy or protecting his own interests.

Kenwright fronts overall control of the club and lets not mince words revelled in it 'till recently.
I have no doubt he's benefitted from association with Everton despite his "no salary" reminders.

They are front of house protecting god knows what behind them.

It is their choice and as we sink further into the abyss they deserve everything that's coming, they will of course expose the others once they fall.
Eric Myles
247   Posted 13/01/2012 at 04:47:27

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Derek, it is not the other members of the 'Board' that continually lie to the fans.
Derek Thomas
251   Posted 13/01/2012 at 05:36:04

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?
Rob Dolby
318   Posted 13/01/2012 at 10:24:53

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Kings Dock
Selling Bellefield
Selling Netherton training complex
20 year mortgage with NTL or whoever
Selling Finch farm
Selling Rooney
Kirby fiasco
Failing to redevelop anything
time to move on Bill
Andy Callan
391   Posted 13/01/2012 at 13:02:16

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Rob - the points you've made are correct, in-that every-fuckin-thing Everton does (and it streches back to before Blue Blue was at the helm) is a comple fuckin' shambles mate.

However I've a question for you: if you're sellin' your car - a car that you think is worth £5000 - and no one want to buy it, what is it worth? Answer: fuck all unless you flog it for £1000 and shoot yourself in the foot.

That's the issue Blue Bill has with Everton - we don't make any cash, the stadium is a fuckin' disgrace / can't be developed enough for it to make financial sense, the team is fuckin' usless, we have no prospects and are lumbered with huge debt...!!!

Who in their right mind would buy Everton FC?!?!? The first point I've made above would scare me off and I fuckin' love the club.

I want us to win trophies as much as the next man, but it's not going to happen unless someone is found to have deep enough pockets to prop the club up, pay the debt off and give the manager £50m to spend.

Hopefully Blue Bill is trying to find an investor; if he's not, it's a fuckin' joke.
Christine Foster
419   Posted 13/01/2012 at 13:47:36

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Sadly the rot started at the beginning of the Premier league when a complacent board failed to build on the success of the 80s

The rot may have started there but there have been numerous occasions when successive boards could have built or planned ahead.

With any board there has to be leadership, something that has been absent from the club for a generation.

The greatest decline though has been under the stewardship of Kenwright. There has been a prevailing sense of personal greed being at the forefront of all that is Everton, at the ex[ense of the club itself.

That we find ourselves in the predicament we do is down to the current board, its chairman and his business advisors Messers Green and Earl. No one is clean in this, not even Granchester, just what is his motive for doing nothing?

Personal wealth and return on investment is still driving the bus. Not the future or survival of the club.

No truth, no transparency, no common sense, no wish to find another solution, just money.

Love for the club? Love for money more like..
James Flynn
694   Posted 14/01/2012 at 02:04:54

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Christine - Well done.
Gaute Lie
870   Posted 14/01/2012 at 16:55:40

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In the movie business Bill Kenwright would be the producer, and Moyesy would be the director. Their seperate responsibilities is exactly the same.

So. Who do you blame if a picture sucks? The director, usually. Then you see the budget of the film, (responsibility of the producer), and if it's big the director is usually all to blame. In Everton's case, the budget is all to blame.

Even though I usually see Moyesy's tactics as pure defense, he's done well considering his small budget.

The board is to blame.
Paul Holmes
136   Posted 15/01/2012 at 20:55:13

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I watched Swansea beat Arsenal, and they played great football with a squad not a patch on what Moyes has had to spend on players at Everton. They get 20,000 gate and have a young forward-thinking manager in Brendan Rogers who has done in one season what Moyes can't do ? BEAT ARSENAL!

MOYES IS THE PROBLEM.
Eric Myles
174   Posted 16/01/2012 at 01:10:54

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Well Elstone has now settled the debate, it's not the board to blame, or the manager, it's the fans!!
Craig Walker
268   Posted 16/01/2012 at 13:32:51

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NSNO - Need Some New Owners

IMWT - Investors' Money Wanted Today

COYB - Clear Off Ya B'stard
Tom Bowers
378   Posted 16/01/2012 at 22:30:47

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Yes,
the board for not being proactive enough to get investment. Lesser clubs seem to manage it?
Moyes runs the team, dictates the strategy and then makes all the excuses.
He had a good run and got the team turned around after Walter Smith but what he has done over the last few years is totally unacceptable and that is not
down to the board.
We have become a team with some real good talent who are sadly lacking direction and haven't played an impressive game all season. In fact we are downright boring especially at home.
Only one man to blame here!!!

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