Season 2011-12
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Resurgent Blackburn held at Goodison Park.
72 Comments: This particular player apologist has had enough. Another woeful effort. What will the excuse be this time?
Blackburn are on a roll and are in a false position. Yeah let's get that one out of the way. We are a poor side who are under-performing.
Of course this has nothing to do with Moyes. He had nothing to do with signing them. He protested vehemently when his best players were sold. He has absolutely nothing to do with the shite that is churned out week after week.
It's all about money and he is absolved of all responsibility. It's the players fault.
He sends them out to attack and be positive and they ignore him. Don't you just feel gutted for him. Who else could take this shit for the pittance he is paid?
Salvage what integrity and reputation you have left and go, Mr Moyes.
Who will take his place?
Anyone... fucking anyone.
Andy Crooks, Posted 21/01/2012 at 16:54:50
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Sorry Nick,it's meant to be a bit sarcastic. I just feel there have been excuses made for every awful performance. I said a couple of weeks ago that I'd be happy to see Moyes grind us out enough points to escape relegation.Not any more.He has nothing left to offer.
I don't think moyes is useless but he ain't great neither and majority will disagree with this, but I think he's failed to cut his cloth accordingly . He should have cashed in on piennar arteta yakubu neville Cahill Saha in 2010. Not only would have some commanded significant transfer fees but they were all on or just given massive wages .
We are an old team and that team's moment had passed he should have cashed in and started rebuilding . He's too loyal and should have rebuilt , Rodwell Barkley Duffy have potential to be the spine of the team for years to come. I hate the way we're signing Donovan again we have no chance of getting him permanently so just a waste.
I think we've played some decent stuff over the years but I just don't understand the brand identity of team . Arsenal stoke Liverpool swansea spurs Wigan and the rest all have managers who stamp their mark on how teams play we don't other than our full backs always take the throw ins .
Sorry for rambling
We are an old team and that team's moment had passed he should have cashed in and started rebuilding . He's too loyal and should have rebuilt , Rodwell Barkley Duffy have potential to be the spine of the team for years to come. I hate the way we're signing Donovan again we have no chance of getting him permanently so just a waste.
I think we've played some decent stuff over the years but I just don't understand the brand identity of team . Arsenal stoke Liverpool swansea spurs Wigan and the rest all have managers who stamp their mark on how teams play we don't other than our full backs always take the throw ins .
Sorry for rambling
There's no excuse for the crap on show, regardless of money, transfers, BK etc the midfield play is awful, but I don't see any reason why Moyes can't turn this round... so long as he has fight remaining in him. If he goes in the summer you can't blame him but I think there's definitely more to come.
Its nice to know though that Moyes at his worst has us in 11th.
Its nice to know though that Moyes at his worst has us in 11th.
We will not improve ever under Moyes. Zombie football once again with no imagination. And that is him and this pathetic team on a fairly good day.
Nick, what are you talking about - we're 14th? We finished 17th one season under Moyes.
F*ck off Moyes you useless ginger twat and take that prick Round with you NOW!
Maybe if the keeper actually catches a fucking simple ball we may have won this game....It's Moyes's fault for buying Howard...etc etc...nugget
Or maybe if Cahill kicks it away from the incoming player it may have been cleared....nugget
Or maybe if Cahill kicks it away from the incoming player it may have been cleared....nugget
Nick stop living in cloud cuckoo land, he isn't going to turn this side around. Moyes time has long been up, the man has shown plenty of times (his body language, interviews) that he doesn't give a fuck anymore. The motivation isn't there any longer. I sincerely hope that this really is his last season at the club, for both he and the club need a change and we desperately need some new ideas on the playing field. For all the good he has done at the club, he is now in danger of ruining his reputation as he pursues to stick around this club further.
Would you give a fuck Kunal if you work conditions kept on getting worse every year after every year?
At £65k a week, it's the very least he should do.
Tony stop using the money excuse. I'm sick and tired of money being brought into the equation. When he has had money to spend he's spunked it only players like Fellaini and Bily. Why do we try and defend a one goal lead? and only start playing in the last 5 mins if where a goal down to try and salvage something or try and win the game. It's stale boring, turgid football - thats not soley down to money, give someone else an opportunity to bring new ideas. Ultimately Moyes needs a new challenge elsewhere.
Trusted the BBC website on that stat... good to see Liverpool defeated 3-1. Makes the day alright...
Not being funny Tony, but how is it you always seem to blame the players, and never Moyes? Also, I know it wasn't Moyes's fault Howard couldn't catch the ball etc.
A predictable result from a predictable team with a predictable manager.
The worst defence in the Prem and we can only muster 2 goals against them in 2 games (a last-minute penalty and an obvious handball today). Disgraceful!
Moyes picks the same tired players and that includes Cahill despite his goal which should have been disallowed. Saha and Anichebe up front together is a joke. Both should be sent packing.
Come on, Bill ? it's time for Moyes to go.
The worst defence in the Prem and we can only muster 2 goals against them in 2 games (a last-minute penalty and an obvious handball today). Disgraceful!
Moyes picks the same tired players and that includes Cahill despite his goal which should have been disallowed. Saha and Anichebe up front together is a joke. Both should be sent packing.
Come on, Bill ? it's time for Moyes to go.
Brian, I blame them all but if that dozy twat in goal would have caught a simple ball, they probably wouldn't have scored...simple concept. Players doing what they are paid to do
We've rode our luck so far, looking at the fixtures I think we're about to sink like a stone and haven't the will to do anything about it.
9 maybe 12 points at most - the chickens are coming home to roost.
I think we're down.
9 maybe 12 points at most - the chickens are coming home to roost.
I think we're down.
Tony @ 597
Did you enjoy watching that SHITE?
Did you enjoy watching that SHITE?
I wonder what tomorrows headline in the papers will read - 'Moyes boys held by a Willie'
Money is constantly brought into the equation to slag Moyes off (see Ray at 582), so why not to defend him?
Also, Andy I'm still confused, I got that you were being sarcastic, but you describe yourself as a 'player apologist' which means you defend the players and blame the manager, so why is the post just the same old blaming of the manager? Do the players bare any blame at all?
Also, Andy I'm still confused, I got that you were being sarcastic, but you describe yourself as a 'player apologist' which means you defend the players and blame the manager, so why is the post just the same old blaming of the manager? Do the players bare any blame at all?
Tony W ? you keep saying that players should do what they're paid to do but what about Moyes doing what he's paid to do? Like motivating his players and giving them the belief that they can play football.
Are you saying that if Moyes had £100m in the bank the 11 today would play like Barcelona? Of course not but the players he has at his disposal are capable of much better, yet, they are not performing and that is down to Moyes, every way you cut it.
Are you saying that if Moyes had £100m in the bank the 11 today would play like Barcelona? Of course not but the players he has at his disposal are capable of much better, yet, they are not performing and that is down to Moyes, every way you cut it.
Tony, I know where you are coming from.
Moyes worked his bollocks off for years, swimming against the tide of decline.
Until 2 years ago, with little help or support from the board he pushed the club forward. He had managed, on the playing side, to turn the ship three quarters round. The failure to get Donovan in first time round(a basic, cash based failure, we couldnt stump up the £8 million) sealed the end of any development and its been downhill ever since, for Moyes and the club.
The circumstances since then have undoubtedly taken a toll on Moyes. Its inevitable. When you work that hard to turn a club around...... we were so close to having a go at the top 4, we just needed those 2 extra players.
Now his best players have gone. Its been ripped away from him and the proceeds of the good players he signed arent even there to go again with. (Although i do think we mishandled the Piennar situation). They have been given to the bank. Its going to effect you. He is human, show me anyone who isnt going to get stale AT SOME POINT in any job they are in for 10 years?
Its like expecting all players to share the same passion the fans do for football/their club. Guess what, some will love it to their core, some players wont even like football, some will be in it for the money, to others it will be a job they are really good at, Michael Owen springs to mind. Thats life.
But there is one big problem. Moyes seems to be in a malaise, a personal one. I posted a few months ago he is on auto-pilot. He seems cocooned in gloom. Team spirit is suffering.
The fella that quoted this maxim: It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees. Seems to have gone.
He is definitely suffering from being too loyal. Martin O'Neil would have walked years ago. But from a personal and professional standpoint, has it benefitted O'Neil? Has this loyalty benefitted Moyes? People are now turning on him. Too me he looks mentally and emotionally on the finish here. The effects of keeping a declining club afloat single handedly are extremely evident. I could bang on, but i wont.
It upsets me the way the whole thing is turning out.
Moyes worked his bollocks off for years, swimming against the tide of decline.
Until 2 years ago, with little help or support from the board he pushed the club forward. He had managed, on the playing side, to turn the ship three quarters round. The failure to get Donovan in first time round(a basic, cash based failure, we couldnt stump up the £8 million) sealed the end of any development and its been downhill ever since, for Moyes and the club.
The circumstances since then have undoubtedly taken a toll on Moyes. Its inevitable. When you work that hard to turn a club around...... we were so close to having a go at the top 4, we just needed those 2 extra players.
Now his best players have gone. Its been ripped away from him and the proceeds of the good players he signed arent even there to go again with. (Although i do think we mishandled the Piennar situation). They have been given to the bank. Its going to effect you. He is human, show me anyone who isnt going to get stale AT SOME POINT in any job they are in for 10 years?
Its like expecting all players to share the same passion the fans do for football/their club. Guess what, some will love it to their core, some players wont even like football, some will be in it for the money, to others it will be a job they are really good at, Michael Owen springs to mind. Thats life.
But there is one big problem. Moyes seems to be in a malaise, a personal one. I posted a few months ago he is on auto-pilot. He seems cocooned in gloom. Team spirit is suffering.
The fella that quoted this maxim: It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees. Seems to have gone.
He is definitely suffering from being too loyal. Martin O'Neil would have walked years ago. But from a personal and professional standpoint, has it benefitted O'Neil? Has this loyalty benefitted Moyes? People are now turning on him. Too me he looks mentally and emotionally on the finish here. The effects of keeping a declining club afloat single handedly are extremely evident. I could bang on, but i wont.
It upsets me the way the whole thing is turning out.
Dave, who gives a shite if I enjoyed it or not. I expect a competent goalie to catch a simple ball.
Tommy, you don't need motivation to catch a fucken ball, it's your job!
Tony I'm glad I'm not the only one who has aksed the same thing, the last few games has seen Howard punch the ball into dangerous positions instead of catching the ball, surely catching a football is a basic skill for a keeper?
Mike ,I stopped defending the players a while ago. I actually said that their abysmal performances made me feel sorry for David Moyes.
The Bolton game was a turning point for me because of the frightening realization that most of them were actually doing their best. I don't dismiss the money argument either,we are too poor to be contenders for the champions league. Lack of funds ,however, doesn't excuse some of the awful stuff this season.It can't always be down to bad luck or the fact that there have been many shocks in the Premier league this season. We certainly haven't shocked anyone.
David Moyes has been badly treated by the board yet remains loyal to,and in fact, grateful to Kenwright.He cannot ,in my view ,escape any blame for our situation on the pitch.I now firmly believe that a new coach could end the on field rut we are now in.It's gone stale. Excuses can be and are made for each disappointing performance. There have been too many of them,though.Add them together and it points to me that we would be better off if Moyes would walk away.So would he.
The Bolton game was a turning point for me because of the frightening realization that most of them were actually doing their best. I don't dismiss the money argument either,we are too poor to be contenders for the champions league. Lack of funds ,however, doesn't excuse some of the awful stuff this season.It can't always be down to bad luck or the fact that there have been many shocks in the Premier league this season. We certainly haven't shocked anyone.
David Moyes has been badly treated by the board yet remains loyal to,and in fact, grateful to Kenwright.He cannot ,in my view ,escape any blame for our situation on the pitch.I now firmly believe that a new coach could end the on field rut we are now in.It's gone stale. Excuses can be and are made for each disappointing performance. There have been too many of them,though.Add them together and it points to me that we would be better off if Moyes would walk away.So would he.
Andy
given that you have posted a Moyes out Article vitually every time we have`nt won.
What would you say to people if you got your wish but the new guy couldnt make these poor players better ? more to the point what would you say if he took us down ?
given that you have posted a Moyes out Article vitually every time we have`nt won.
What would you say to people if you got your wish but the new guy couldnt make these poor players better ? more to the point what would you say if he took us down ?
Bobby Thomas, absolutely spot on.
Davey knows that all the hard work he has put in over the years have come to nought. ( before anyone starts with the 65k a week argument ,remember he could have fetched it elsewhere with more ambitious clubs but chose to stay with Everton)
He strikes me as rather sad and melancholic in his interviews. If he is anywhere close to that mood on a day to day basis it must be hurting morale.
Looks to me that he'll be off in the Summer, probably best for himself and the club. He did a lot of good work but simply wasn't given the funds to compete in the madness of the modern game.
Davey knows that all the hard work he has put in over the years have come to nought. ( before anyone starts with the 65k a week argument ,remember he could have fetched it elsewhere with more ambitious clubs but chose to stay with Everton)
He strikes me as rather sad and melancholic in his interviews. If he is anywhere close to that mood on a day to day basis it must be hurting morale.
Looks to me that he'll be off in the Summer, probably best for himself and the club. He did a lot of good work but simply wasn't given the funds to compete in the madness of the modern game.
Sky bet has us 25/1 to be relegated. Don't know what to make of that but thought several of you could at least make some money come May.
Tony, as much as we all love EVERTON FC it´s about entertainment, we all look forward to kick off every week. We are shite to watch at the moment, it all starts with Moyes shite team selection, I know Howard´s effort today was a shocker, but if Moyes had the cojones to be positive and we could had have won 3 or 4-1, we would just be having a laugh at Howards error, it was shite, but he is human and he has saved us a few points already this season. F*ck off Moyes and Round.
NSNO ( Need Some New Owners)
NSNO ( Need Some New Owners)
Gerry Grimes .... "before anyone starts with the 65K a week argument, remember he could have fetched it eleswhere with more ambitious clubs, but chose to stay at everton"
Come on then Gerry I'm waiting with baited breath for you to enlighten us all...excatly who & when could he have done this with ?
Come on then Gerry I'm waiting with baited breath for you to enlighten us all...excatly who & when could he have done this with ?
Astonishing villa?
The opposition scoring 1 goal shouldn't matter if we had an offence worth a lick which we don't. Only 3 teams have a worse goals for than Everton.
If all we can get against the worst defence in the Prem. is one very lucky goal then we are a very poor side indeed.
Sunderland have changed managers and look how they have improved.
Can we not do the same Bill?
Moyes has no other strategy and is doggedly sticking with players who are a lost cause. Surely most of the fans cannot be wrong.
If all we can get against the worst defence in the Prem. is one very lucky goal then we are a very poor side indeed.
Sunderland have changed managers and look how they have improved.
Can we not do the same Bill?
Moyes has no other strategy and is doggedly sticking with players who are a lost cause. Surely most of the fans cannot be wrong.
That's aston villa. Bloody predictive text.
Matt... Villa never even asked for permission to speak with him & don't pay their current manager anywhere near £65 K, so it can't even be them !
I think Gerry must have seen dozens of rep's from Europe's elite, with cheque books out, queuing down the County road
or something. I'm sure he'll let everyone know shortly.
I think Gerry must have seen dozens of rep's from Europe's elite, with cheque books out, queuing down the County road
or something. I'm sure he'll let everyone know shortly.
Tom, I'm not in total disagreement to some points, but but it ain't most of the fans is it? Its most of the people on here which isn't the same. If we knew anything about professional football we would be involved in it. But we don't, so we aren't. Every opinion should be valued, but the majority of fans don't know anything about either premier league football clubs or their players. Just listen to the fucking plebs on 606 and talksport to back that comment up.
Marc, your right they don't. But then the current villa manager doesn't average 6th for league finishing places over several years, so they wouldn't do. Moyes has his contract based on his record, of which he is without peer when it comes to pounds spent v league placing. Its hard for non apologists to accept but that's the truth of it.
By the way this 65k a week keeps but you can bet your bollocks to a barn dance it works out more than that. I know 2 players who have played in the premier league, 1 of whom is still in it, and what the papers say they earn is nowhere near reality, so there is no reason to think that managers are any different.
By the way this 65k a week keeps but you can bet your bollocks to a barn dance it works out more than that. I know 2 players who have played in the premier league, 1 of whom is still in it, and what the papers say they earn is nowhere near reality, so there is no reason to think that managers are any different.
Gerry (#635) " Before anyone starts with the 65k a week arguement, remember he could have fetched it elsewhere with more ambitious clubs, but chose to stay "
Sorry Gerry, I must have been out of the country. Could you let me know who these ambitious clubs were who were after Moyes, and who would have paid him £65k a week, but whom he turned down to stay with us? Trawled through the web, but couldn't seem to find anything.
Sorry Gerry, I must have been out of the country. Could you let me know who these ambitious clubs were who were after Moyes, and who would have paid him £65k a week, but whom he turned down to stay with us? Trawled through the web, but couldn't seem to find anything.
Dave,if the new coach couldn't get more out of these players I'd be surprised(very often a change works) However I'd admit I was wrong. If we went down I'd be heart broken and yes I'd always wonder if Moyes would have saved us
What if ,though, a new coach provided a much needed spark(like Moyes once did) and set us on a good run that challenged for sixth place ,or maybe a cup run.I accept that with the way things are without a new owner we are in slow terminal decline; a new coach will probably provide a short term fix at best. What's the alternative? Why not try something? I know that it is your view that Moyes is the best man to keep us safe till someone comes to the rescue and believe me at times it seems to me to be the safest option.
I know you have probably seen most games this season so I'm asking you a genuine question;are this squad capable of better?
What if ,though, a new coach provided a much needed spark(like Moyes once did) and set us on a good run that challenged for sixth place ,or maybe a cup run.I accept that with the way things are without a new owner we are in slow terminal decline; a new coach will probably provide a short term fix at best. What's the alternative? Why not try something? I know that it is your view that Moyes is the best man to keep us safe till someone comes to the rescue and believe me at times it seems to me to be the safest option.
I know you have probably seen most games this season so I'm asking you a genuine question;are this squad capable of better?
Tom, the worrying thing is Donovan will soon be off as well.
A couple more games for fitness and its possible we may see Anichibe starting and Saha benched. Moyes has thrown Vic straight back into it, which is asking alot after so long out. Anything to make it more lively.
Saha is one of the reasons we are so feeble, he offers virtually nothing anymore and imo should retire at the end of the season, unless he can con some loaded joke league to give him a deal. He is finished as a top flight player. Velios aint ready to do 90. That leaves Vic, who has a track record of injuries.
We need a striker in, badly. Even if its a loan, if we had someone who could come in and lead the line and offer a bit of threat in behind we would be absolutely fine.
Would make a big difference to the players as well i think, would give them a boost. If your playing in mid you aint exactly overburdened with optons with The King up there!!
A couple more games for fitness and its possible we may see Anichibe starting and Saha benched. Moyes has thrown Vic straight back into it, which is asking alot after so long out. Anything to make it more lively.
Saha is one of the reasons we are so feeble, he offers virtually nothing anymore and imo should retire at the end of the season, unless he can con some loaded joke league to give him a deal. He is finished as a top flight player. Velios aint ready to do 90. That leaves Vic, who has a track record of injuries.
We need a striker in, badly. Even if its a loan, if we had someone who could come in and lead the line and offer a bit of threat in behind we would be absolutely fine.
Would make a big difference to the players as well i think, would give them a boost. If your playing in mid you aint exactly overburdened with optons with The King up there!!
Dave #634 surely thats the same "better the devil you know argument" which simply isnt working anymore. I've not seen Everton players arguing with each other before under Moyes or look so abjectly out of touch either. Change can go either ways bt repeating the same mistakes ad nauseum only has only direction to take us and thats down.
I think there will have been a few heated words exchanged in the dressing room after the match. Maybe its needed, a big fucking sort out where everyone is honest. But the players need something.
If the home form stays as it is we are going to be in trouble, no question. I honestly expect us to get beat by Fulham, the most i can see us getting is a draw. 1 point out of 6 at home. And the teams below us are picking up a bit. Blackburn have improved, as have Bolton. QPR now have Mark Hughes who is a good manger. We are sinking and confidence must be o the floor.
If the home form stays as it is we are going to be in trouble, no question. I honestly expect us to get beat by Fulham, the most i can see us getting is a draw. 1 point out of 6 at home. And the teams below us are picking up a bit. Blackburn have improved, as have Bolton. QPR now have Mark Hughes who is a good manger. We are sinking and confidence must be o the floor.
Spot on Bobby. I hope they all went at each other after the game and a few home truths were told.
They need a massive confidence injection from somewhere. Even scoring first didn't help. They seemed to shit themselves when they went one up.
We were mostly awful today but I saw some good football played at some points. Baines got played into some great positions on the left but nothing came of them and Donovan should have done better when one on one with Robinson after some great football on the right.
Duffy for Man of the match easily. None of the others really deserve a mention.
They need a massive confidence injection from somewhere. Even scoring first didn't help. They seemed to shit themselves when they went one up.
We were mostly awful today but I saw some good football played at some points. Baines got played into some great positions on the left but nothing came of them and Donovan should have done better when one on one with Robinson after some great football on the right.
Duffy for Man of the match easily. None of the others really deserve a mention.
Well it looks like we may end up being in tthe relugation zone by March looking at the fixture list I cannot see who we can beat easily without a striker. we are drawing to many games. Do you notice how many times Mopyes changes awfull for awfull at the end of the games. None of them are anygood, even Anichebe this was a freak couple of games where he bagged a couple of goals, realistically he is gash like the others.
Blue Union critics, I hope u enjoyed the home draw today - they're be plenty more where that came from whilst u allow this club to be run into the ground.....
John, I don;t get the point you are making/
Moyes has every right to be pissed off with the Board but the point is that being paid £65k a week, he should be showing a more upbeat, positive attitude towards matters. I want to see more fire from a guy earning such a generous salary despite the difficult circumstances under which he is working.
John Feeley
If the Blue Union targeted Moyes as they should then he would leave and we wouldnt have to put up with games like today.
And before you come back with the money argument dont bother because tactics and, formations and playing Anichebe on the left wing have got fuck all to do with money or the chairman.
While we play with one up front at home to Blackburn and Bolton you you continue to shout through railings at the man that doesnt pick the team or decide tactics.
If the Blue Union targeted Moyes as they should then he would leave and we wouldnt have to put up with games like today.
And before you come back with the money argument dont bother because tactics and, formations and playing Anichebe on the left wing have got fuck all to do with money or the chairman.
While we play with one up front at home to Blackburn and Bolton you you continue to shout through railings at the man that doesnt pick the team or decide tactics.
In my opinion the blame lies at Moyes. I feel we have a squad who can actually complete for a top half position but his constant defensive tactics and his constant negative press statements are eating into this club.
Before the Spurs game, Redknapp went on about how great his Spurs side was and how they're challenging Utd....it came to Moyes and he said...how great the Spurs side was!
We have a half decent team, right now they have zero confidence because Moyes insists they defend non-stop against teams like Blackburn. You can imagine the halftime team talk, Drenthe saying to Moyes I can tear that wing apart...Moyes reply, can you track back though! No, we need to get 11 men behind the ball, we're only losing 2-0.
Kenwright is an issue, no denying, the lack of investment has affected Moyes ability to do the job. But at the end of the day, he's not up to it anymore.
Before the Spurs game, Redknapp went on about how great his Spurs side was and how they're challenging Utd....it came to Moyes and he said...how great the Spurs side was!
We have a half decent team, right now they have zero confidence because Moyes insists they defend non-stop against teams like Blackburn. You can imagine the halftime team talk, Drenthe saying to Moyes I can tear that wing apart...Moyes reply, can you track back though! No, we need to get 11 men behind the ball, we're only losing 2-0.
Kenwright is an issue, no denying, the lack of investment has affected Moyes ability to do the job. But at the end of the day, he's not up to it anymore.
Clive, ive just checked the fixtures myself..........based on this seasons home form we have got a big fucking problem.
Also, after Vics goals he gets put on the left today!!! What does Saha have on Moyes?
Or do Moyes and Round create their tactics on a messed up version of FM2012?
Or do Moyes and Round create their tactics on a messed up version of FM2012?
John Feeley, I do get your point. I somehow didn't notice the word "critics" in your post. At present, it seems to me that the Blue Union offer the only current alternative to slow decline.
Ian Edwards, I share your views on David Moyes but for me that is not the concern of the BU.
By the way,did anyone watch the Leeds protests against Bates? If I were lucky enough to be a season ticket holder, I'd happily protest against Kenwright outside the ground then go in and support the team.
Ian Edwards, I share your views on David Moyes but for me that is not the concern of the BU.
By the way,did anyone watch the Leeds protests against Bates? If I were lucky enough to be a season ticket holder, I'd happily protest against Kenwright outside the ground then go in and support the team.
I have to say I have seen a fair few poor Everton teams in the 30-odd years I have been supporting the Bues. Whilst this present bunch is nowhere near one of the worst, it is, in my opinion, most definitely the most negative and boring Everton team I have ever seen.
When Moyes came to Everton, he was like a breath of fresh air after the football we were playing under Walter... but the tactics he deploys now are more negative than anything I can remember under Smith.
Today, we were one-up at home against one of the poorest teams in the division yet we approached the second half as if we were playing Barcalona. What is the point of any of us turning up a week on Tuesday when we play City? Moyes will all but concede defeat in the press conference, moan about the disparity of wealth and then send his team out with the attitude of defend, defend, defend.
I know there are major problems at board level but the way Moyes has us playing means I have never been more disheartened supporting Everton. I can cope with not competing with the top 6 but I cannot cope with shit, boring football and a dour, moaning, miserable git as the manager.
And he has the cheek to say he knows we haven't been entertaining enough at home ! Do something about it then, you numbskull!
Matt Garen, where do you come up with this bollocks about Moyes's contract, and (lack of) offers from other clubs for the same money?
When he signed, his contract was widely regarded as the third highest salary in the EPL, which I assume is behind SAF and Wenger. Can anyone point out to me the lowest either of them has finished since taking over their respective clubs, and their average finish?
Moyes signed that contract in 2008, when his track record read as such: 15th*, 7th, 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th. I know that that is a decent run, and showed some improvement, but in what world does that warrant such a high salary? No trophies or even finals by that point, as well as bottling a chance of Champions League football.
When he signed, his contract was widely regarded as the third highest salary in the EPL, which I assume is behind SAF and Wenger. Can anyone point out to me the lowest either of them has finished since taking over their respective clubs, and their average finish?
Moyes signed that contract in 2008, when his track record read as such: 15th*, 7th, 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th. I know that that is a decent run, and showed some improvement, but in what world does that warrant such a high salary? No trophies or even finals by that point, as well as bottling a chance of Champions League football.
Moyes chooses the Team;
Moyes decides where each player plays;
Moyes decides the Tactics;,
Moyes supervises the Training;
Moyes chooses, apart from injuries, the timing of Substitutions (usually ineptly);
Moyes choses the Substitutes;
Moyes should be the MOTIVATOR.
The majority of the current team are the same as last year's team. So who else can be blamed except Moyes?
Moyes decides where each player plays;
Moyes decides the Tactics;,
Moyes supervises the Training;
Moyes chooses, apart from injuries, the timing of Substitutions (usually ineptly);
Moyes choses the Substitutes;
Moyes should be the MOTIVATOR.
The majority of the current team are the same as last year's team. So who else can be blamed except Moyes?
"Bottling a chance of Champions League football."
The only thing he bottled, was the opportunity to head-butt Pierluigi Collina.
You're coming out with bollocks, Roman. Again.
The only thing he bottled, was the opportunity to head-butt Pierluigi Collina.
You're coming out with bollocks, Roman. Again.
Pete,
Moyes also chose his own No 2 (yes-man). Round has no pedigree, and the only thing Round has achieved is taking Newcastle down. We are next unless he and Moyes go NOW!
NSNO (Need Some New Owners)
Moyes also chose his own No 2 (yes-man). Round has no pedigree, and the only thing Round has achieved is taking Newcastle down. We are next unless he and Moyes go NOW!
NSNO (Need Some New Owners)
So Kevin, we take it you agree with all the other points Roman made?
Dave I prefer to say WMWB (with Moyes We're Bust) as a counterpoint to all his acolytes crying IMWT. There are many other faults that can be directly laid at Moyes doorstep but lack of motivation, incredibly bad team selection, defeatist defensive game plans and pathetic use of substitutions are all hallmarks of Dire Dour Davey this season.
Agree with you pete, but WMWB is not our club Motto!
I know it isn't, Dave ? but that doesn't stop it from being true.
I wouldn't necessarily draw that assumption if I were you, Peter.
I have little interest in discussing David Moyes's contract.
I have little interest in discussing David Moyes's contract.
"Before anyone starts with the £65k a week arguement, remember he could have fetched it elsewhere with more ambitious clubs, but chose to stay."
During Moyes's tenure the Chelsea (3 times) Man City & Spurs (to name but 3) jobs have all been vacant... NONE of them... yes that's NONE of them came after Moyes.
Whoever thinks that this man is a sought after commodity and Everton are lucky to have him is fucking kidding themselves...
During Moyes's tenure the Chelsea (3 times) Man City & Spurs (to name but 3) jobs have all been vacant... NONE of them... yes that's NONE of them came after Moyes.
Whoever thinks that this man is a sought after commodity and Everton are lucky to have him is fucking kidding themselves...
About half-a-dozen times a season, I ignore the poverty of my pension and travel the 130 miles up to Goodison to renew my love affair with Everton.
Yes, I watch them on Sky, yes I read and digest every bit of scrap about my club. This affair's been going on since I lived in Liverpool as a boy and youth (Plymouth Argyle and a twelve goal beanfeast was my first game) and by now I much have watched them 400 plus times.
Yesterday, up I came to Goodison. They were awful, the two best players by a mile were young Duffy and Heitinga. The midfield did not manage one creative pass, they'd do three crab passes then hoof it up to a short, idle centre-forward or a lump on the left wing who had no control and no left foot, a prerequisite when I played for playing on the left.
Neville was Nevlle, Baines looked disinterested, and the midfield.... Cahill ended his goal drought by putting in a shot from two yards after a blatant foul by a cumbersome Fellaini. Thank God I no longer have a season ticket,. Never have I been in a Goodison crowd that was so moribund. Whatever happened to the Goodison Roar?
No doubt in a month or so, I'll look at my finances and decide I can afford another trip up to Goodison and up I'll come full of hope and it'll happen all over again.
Blackburn outplayed us yesterday and Blackburn are crap. We could still end up in a relegation battle and if not this year then we'll be certainties next season. Kenwright, and to a lesser extent, Moyes have reduced the club which I personally have seen seen win four league titles, three FA Cups and a European Cup Winners Cup to a shambles and a mockery of our once great club. I weep for Everton, it is dead.
Yes, I watch them on Sky, yes I read and digest every bit of scrap about my club. This affair's been going on since I lived in Liverpool as a boy and youth (Plymouth Argyle and a twelve goal beanfeast was my first game) and by now I much have watched them 400 plus times.
Yesterday, up I came to Goodison. They were awful, the two best players by a mile were young Duffy and Heitinga. The midfield did not manage one creative pass, they'd do three crab passes then hoof it up to a short, idle centre-forward or a lump on the left wing who had no control and no left foot, a prerequisite when I played for playing on the left.
Neville was Nevlle, Baines looked disinterested, and the midfield.... Cahill ended his goal drought by putting in a shot from two yards after a blatant foul by a cumbersome Fellaini. Thank God I no longer have a season ticket,. Never have I been in a Goodison crowd that was so moribund. Whatever happened to the Goodison Roar?
No doubt in a month or so, I'll look at my finances and decide I can afford another trip up to Goodison and up I'll come full of hope and it'll happen all over again.
Blackburn outplayed us yesterday and Blackburn are crap. We could still end up in a relegation battle and if not this year then we'll be certainties next season. Kenwright, and to a lesser extent, Moyes have reduced the club which I personally have seen seen win four league titles, three FA Cups and a European Cup Winners Cup to a shambles and a mockery of our once great club. I weep for Everton, it is dead.
Richard, your sentiments mirror mine and over roughly the same time period too: 58 years in my case. I love Everton too and can't stand seeing the dross that Dire Davey has got them playing, it breaks my heart and depresses my soul. Which is why I have no time for Davey's apologists.
Leadership is lacking in all aspects. Boardroom, Team manager, and especially Team on the field. If I wasn't +5,000 miles away I would have run onto that pitch yesterday and screamed at everyone of them to put more fucking effort into it ? AND I would have handed the Captain's armband to Duffy.
Matt (#637) ? Is that kosher.... 25 to 1? Well as there's not a snowball's chance in hell of me renewing the ST for next season whilst the clowns who run this club are still in charge. I'm sorely tempted to put the £500 on us dropping. Should sugar the pill a little...
I can barely understand "King Kenny" at the best of times & have nodded ignorantly face to face with him a number of times, pretending to know what he's on about. BUT Fair play to him yesterday. He came out after the game & his mutterings amounted to... That was shit, team played shit, certain individuals can fuck off if they think that's what's acceptable.
DM once had this attitude & it's long gone with his enthusiasm, pride, tactics etc... Time to go!
Okay BK has scuppered his ambition financially but this is how it is & we need a fresh face, eager to please, eager to experiment & find our elusive best XI. I seriously think anyone would be an improvement.
DM once had this attitude & it's long gone with his enthusiasm, pride, tactics etc... Time to go!
Okay BK has scuppered his ambition financially but this is how it is & we need a fresh face, eager to please, eager to experiment & find our elusive best XI. I seriously think anyone would be an improvement.
Message to the Blackburn board: Fancy a swap?
Tony J Williams @ 576, I think it's you who's the nugget. Tim Howard has saved us from a few thrashings this season and believe it or not, ALL goalies make mistakes, it's just theirs that are highlighted by thicko's like you because they end up in the net. Forget the mistakes by the defenders, midfielders and non-existent attackers, when we draw 1-1 at home to relegation candidates is that the keeper's fault? When we get beat 2-1 by other relegation candidates and the keeper has to score, is that just his fault? Or is it all the manager's fault? Think about it nugget
Mick Davies, you're wasting your time with Tony J Williams. He loathes each and every player - never ever Moyes' fault.
James, making up stories there fella, Moyes has plenty of faults.
I just point out that most on here give the players a free ride.
Take Mick for instance, he is saying it's ok for a goalie to miss a simple catch if he has made good save before...it's not
I just point out that most on here give the players a free ride.
Take Mick for instance, he is saying it's ok for a goalie to miss a simple catch if he has made good save before...it's not
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