If he want's a new deal he will undoubtedly get one. He's privy to a lot of information that Bill has moved Heaven and Earth to keep under wraps.

IMO performances dropped when Lescott went. We never played as well or as consistently although that season it was slightly less noticeable. These past few have for large parts been torture, especially the first halves of seasons.

His constant moaning and belittling of the club, players and lately fans, has got me to the point where I'd welcome almost anybody taking over.

It was herculean to get that side to 4th and to take us from strugglers to challengers. I actually think we'd have finished 3rd or 4th if the Yak hadn't have gone the AFCON and then it's a completely different game. We didn't so it makes no odds.

The job has clearly broken him and he's not the same man who walked through the door a long time ago. You always see the players stop playing for a manager when it's time up and we've been like that all season.

Time to find a new man IMO.

If Moyes stays at Everton for another 5 years, there will be no fans left. Moyes had a reasonable amount of success a few years ago, but that is well in the past.

I remember Billy Bingham and Gordon Lee doing just as good a job and getting the bullet after 4 years this man has been here 10 years now and is paid very well.

His coaching ability has been found out the football is so negative and boring, fans are just not going... and can you blame them?

The third option you state is the most likely Jamie, but to me it is the most worrying.

I remember when Keegan was in charge of Man City and told them he would see out his contract, in that final season they were terrible and in the end he was sacked with a couple of months remaining.

A similar situation cannot be allowed to happen because if people think Moyes is not motivated now how will he get the players up for it when they know he will be gone at the end of the season.

Let's get new ownership in the next 18 months, then consider Moyes.

James- you mean you can really stand another 18 months of this nullifying stale defensive wank? After 10 years i've seen enough of this parasite. 10 bloody years!

If Moyes gets another contract then I give up on football completely. I've already sacked off my season ticket this year, can't stand the 'football' we play or don't play under Moyes.

We are shit. The sooner Moyes goes the better

I have felt all season that this could be our manager's last hurrah.

Moyes has given Everton 10 years of his life (possibly his best years) and, although he has been well paid, I am sure his failure to produce silverware will always hurt him. Taking us into the Champions League was a remarkable feat but being unable to add to the sqaud at that time must have been so depressing for him. Likewise, finishing "best of the rest" for two seasons, followed by the usual lack of funds in the summer has taken its toll.

The present team reflects the manager: tired, jaded and bereft of ideas and imagination. He knows, as we all know, that the situation at Everton is not going to change under the present board and no-one could blame him if he said goodbye. During his tenure, he has given us respect, dignity and honesty but has been let down (as we all have) by the sterility of the guilty men who run the club.

One thing I'll never understand, is why do you need decent money to play football?

Haven't other managers got their teams playing good football without money?

All depends on what the off field circumstances do for him. More BK, he'll walk. Change of owner and investment in the squad he'll stay.

I'd like to know what his naysayers think he wouldn't have achieved if investment was there in these last few season... probably some reactionary bollocks. It was only last season when people were thinking we had a full on chance of CL and yet again Bill didn't have the money like in '05 to help us kick on. Very sad.

Yes, Brian, there are other managers in the world who do well without much money.
In Norway for example clubs are now having to play there youngsters instead of spending big money.
They are starting to see results of that, but it is a long term strategy.

At Everton there is no strategy it seems.
The wages spent on Neville and Saha alone are 100.000 a week, if we could have spent that money on younger players that would be nice.

New contract or not for Moyes?
It would be supid to hand him a contract on similar pay, if we are to extend it then it should reflect his value, which has fallen the last couple of years.

Overall it is time for a change, let a new young manager take over.
Perhaps Alan Stubbs or Phil Neville could take over on a trial basis, until we can find the right one.

Yongsters Jimmy? You were wanting Beckham less than a month ago.

Brian

Here`s my take;

Most managers put their teams together over a period of time, they all go for that elusive mixture, water carriers and footballers.

When other managers lose their footballers they usually replace them with the proceeds. This route has been barred to Davey Moyes for the past couple of seasons and he is left with a load of water carriers.

its the people who think players who are unable to pass and move should still be able to play good football who are struggling the hardest to come to terms with the shite we are now putting up with.

Joe, I think you should change your name to Anne, because you defo Hathaway with words. By the way totally agree.

Sean, if Moyes was sacked I think he'd be out the door straight away as opposed to lingering on like the ghosts of Borely Rectory.

Moyes will go at a time of his choosing and not when Bill Sykes decrees it.

To me, David Moyes is displaying classic symptoms of stress which, if not addressed, could lead to depression. This would not be unusual in a driven person, someone committed to his task, but being frustrated in achieving it.

I expect ridicule for suggesting this. By all means mock, but please do not hit me with "for £65k a week...." because, believe me, financial remuneration counts for nothing under such circumstances.

I don't think Moyes can win either way TBH.

If he would have walked, he would have been branded a traitor, he is now being slated for putting up with anything our leaders throw at him. No win situation for him I'm afraid.

Our sad predicament does not absolve him of blame though, he buys the players, picks the team & chooses tactics. He is also on a bumper contract, if you are paid as highly as him, you have to take a hell of a lot of said blame when things go tits up - warranted or not.

Once you are unable to motivate any team, the writing is on the wall. Does this current side look highly motivated to anyone out there?

All things come to an end. Sport is especially fickle so I guess they have all had a good run. This side, manager & board have reached that point this season, no turning back now chaps, the game is up.

I wouldn't blame at all Moyes if he did resign! He's been working with both hands tied behind his back for years, thanks to Kenwright. Now he's got both his legs tied as well.

The fact that Kenwright keeps coming out with all sorts of bullshit makes it even more remarkable that he hasn't walked. If i'd been lied to by my boss so many times as Kenwright has to Moyes and us, then I would have gone years ago.

The first option is a no starter whilst Kenwright remains in control. There is no way he would ever contemplate sacking Moyes. Even if the unthinkable happened and he took us down, I could see Kenwright standing by 'his man'. For that's what he well and truly is...Kenwright's fag. Alfred to Bills Batman.

The two are irrevocably intertwined now. Moyes has repeatedly showed his hand in standing steadfastly behind his master, offering support, deflecting criticism and dismissing the genuine concern of fans. His loyalty to Kenwright can not be questioned. A greater loyalty than one he feels for the club I fear.

Kenwright in turn sees Moyes as his greatest achievement as chairman (not many other achievements on the list like) and would probably go down on bended knee, sobbing and wailing and threatening to top himself if Moyes ever considered resigning.

We'll be stuck with both of
them for some time yet and that is both depressing and fucking frightening.

As soon as the Scotland job or the Celtic post come up for grabs Everton and the whole nine yards that go with it, are toast.

A/ I wouldn't blame him, and B/ Whatever has happened I still think he's a good bloke and deserves some success.

It just hasn't worked in the long term for us.

The slow death is how I will remember Moyes. Same with Smith before him.

We need to get rid and my biggest fear is that Moyes will lead us to relegation this year. A very real possibility

Moyes is a victim of his own bad tactics: Rodwell on the wing??? Like playing Roy Keane on the wing.

Cahill, defensive midfield??? Like playing Paul Merson in midfield.

Victor on the left wing????

It's as if he has got his 12 or 13 players and if there is an injury, he will move one of the 13 into that position.

If he had money, Duffy would have not been called back. The fringe players get one chance and if they don't perform, they are out, ie Ruddy. Even Barkley.

18 months and counting. I wish they'd make a big count-down clock outside Goodison...

Jamie, to be honest I have gone past the point of caring about who manages Everton. Even Jose Mourinho, the world's most successful proponent of negative football, would struggle at Everton.

However, I would have a go in your clapped out Mazda in a Formula One race any day.

Tommy, yeah, we could swap it for the Nuclear "relegation" clock that we have at the moment. Three minutes to twelve and all is well....

Dave,

If, as now looks likely he knew sales for big money had to happen why do you think he chose to keep the Jag(a water carrier) over Arteta?

Bearing in mind we had a fair few water carriers in that position?

By the way I agree with your analogy and he has at times had a rough deal with having to move players on.

Many managers do well with the squads they have even when hey don't have much money that is to say they play decent football and have decent home records.

Sadly this is no longer the case at Goodison and has been that way for longer than just this season. When we had Arteta we had a playmaker with whom other players responded to. Since his departure we have looked like a ship without a rudder and no sign of anyone taking over. Moyes has had no new ideas at all and persists mainly with the same old ploy using the same tired players.

Many other managers would have been sacked by now but Kenwright keeps making excuses for him as well as some of the Moyes fan club. Everton are desperately in need of change and it has to start with the manager. Until that happens, the team's performances will continue to be poor.

Don't expect anything new tomorrow night.

Stephen, could it be that a bid was received for Arteta, but not for Jags? And that Arteta wanted to leave?

I'm sorry Tom, but who is in a similar situation to Moyes, but been sacked?

A new contract for David Moyes? I think, before that question can even be considered, someone needs to have a look at how much imput he has and time he spends on a daily basis, on the training pitch or around the 1st team/squad. I seriously worry that Steve Round has been given too much power to influence his ideas on the players, and we all know where that got Gareth Southgate & `his` Middlesborough.

It cannot be coincidence that the very least expected of a David Moyes Everton side are the very ingredients that have been rapidly disappearing since Mr Round's appointment. Where is the fight, the passion, the desire, the heart, the `hard to beat` attitude that was etched as standard in every DM-coached EFC side?

I understand that, after such a long time in charge of one club, managers tend to take a step back, but the players, by then, have their boss`s will and philosophy firmly engrained in their footballing psyche, like Man Utd & Arsenal.

At Everton we, along with every other football observer, thought we knew that whatever happens, you`ll know you've been in a match when you play Moyes`s boys!!! Not this season you won't... in fact, even David Moyes doesn't know what to expect from his players. I don't even think he knows his best 11 with everyone fit.

We all know there's something missing this season; maybe it's Moyes himself.

Firstly for the record let me state that I am a supporter of David Moyes, particularly for the period between 2002 to 2008 when he not only stabilised Everton, but also brought pride back to the club, ensuring we were challenging at the right end of the table after a long period in the lower reaches of the league. Over recent months however, I?ve become increasingly more disillusioned with his leadership and negative tactics with each passing game.

To me the problems all started from the time he signed his 5 year contract in October 2008. From this moment, David Moyes signed away the ambitions he had for his team, for what I can only assume was for personal gain. As soon as the ink dried on that contract, it appears that he waivered his right to challenge and press his board for investment and support to strengthen his team. Since October 2008, our only cash signings have come from the money raised from the sale of Lescott to Manchester City in August 2009. Contrast this to before he signed this contract, and whilst money was tight, Moyes would often hold the board to account and get funding even for modest signings (i.e. Piennar, Arteta, Jagielka etc), often sulking throughout pre-season, but ultimately getting his own way.

Remember how long it took Moyes to sign that contract in 2008? The negotiations went on for almost 8 months. Remember how crest fallen Moyes was when we lost in the Europa League in Belgium? I was convinced he was going to walk away that night, as I suspect he knew the writing was on the wall and he knew what was in stall if he signed that deal (i.e. no further money unless he broke his team up). I can think that a final bumper offer of £65k per week helped Moyes make his final decision, however it has been to his and the clubs detriment.

Since 2008, Moyes has not evolved as a manager. His tactics have stayed the same and football in the Premier League has moved on. He does not take risks tactically and is not willing to adopt new ideas or a style of play, even if he no longer has the players at his disposal to play his preferred system. Whilst you can point at the lack of investment in the playing staff as a major factor to this, a savvy manager will either look at alternative systems to get the best out the players he has at his disposal or given the lack of resources, invest time and effort in the clubs youth academy to help address the long term problems at the club. From what I can see on the pitch and looking at the club holistically, Moyes has done neither.

Whilst it?s perhaps unfair to compare Moyes to Sir Alex Ferguson, (putting aside the money he had at his disposal to being his first title to the club), I look at what Ferguson achieved at United in terms of changing the philosophy and investment in the youth academy as the example of what should be achieved when a manager is given a full 10 years to run a club. By 1996, Ferguson first team was a 50/50 split between players he produced (most of whom where top quality Premier League players) and good player recruitment. What is David Moyes? legacy after 10 years? Rodwell, Barkley and perhaps Duffy? For me, this is Moyes? biggest failing and now as we approach the end of his contract we need to take stock.

Personally the ideal scenario will be for Moyes to steer us to respectable league position this season and then leave in the summer with his dignity intact. He deserves this, as for the majority of his time here he has been a good manager, particularly for the period I stated previously. His likely destination will probably be Spurs, which will hopefully see us get compensation (though with our current board, I wouldn?t bank on it), which could be used to bring in a young, ambitious energetic manager with an ambition to take Everton to the top, but will do it by moulding a new, young team that follows the football philosophy and heritage we should all be demanding is re-introduced to our club. To me the ideal candidate is Paul Lambert, who has proven he can shape a team to play attractive and winning football on a budget. However, with BK still in charge, it will probably end up being Phil Neville given the hot seat.

Paddy, agree almost entirely with what you say but I just can't see Moyes ending up at Spurs. His football ethos is the exact opposite of Tottenham's free-flowing, open attacking football. Just can't see that one I'm afraid. I actually think that ANY of the top sides are one step too far for Moyes.

I don't know what the right answer is to this but for whatever reason moyes has got it completely wrong this season. The football and tactics have been absolutely appalling. How many times have we dominated a game for 25 minutes at home only for the opposition to score with their first attack? What his moyes doing to combat this? Saha and cahill in the team every week despite being the most out of form on their entire careers. Friday is an opportunity to try something new. Quite frankly I think we have more pressing matters than the cup. David moyes has been here a long time and there has been some excellent seasons this has been terribl

Ray perhaps your right about Spurs, however the media don't seem to see (or want to accept) the negative/defensive football we play.

There seems to be a perception that Moyes plays the way he does at Everton due to lack of money.

Time will only tell.

Wow, Simon and Paddy, both riveting reads.

I've always wondered about Steve Round. It's probably on here but it's never for me, been looked at in any great depth. I mean who exactly is Steve Round? Whats his claim to fame? What has he done to deserve a place at the top table at our club (in a historical sense)

Paddy really enjoyed what you had to say, powerful shit. But,

forget Spurs. It wont happen. And the reason is Harry Biggs aint going anywhere in terms of the England gig.

The FA have always bullshited how they want England to be the best. Utter Bollox. They had their chance in 1996 when El Tel had arguably the best footballing side since '66. Now I dont know but i found it very strange that they gave Tel the boot because of some minor useless night club rubbish. I always wondered about that. Why would they do this when the National side looks like the best side for decades and to keep the same manager we could maybe win a National Trophy?

Dont know, but that was 1996. This is now. Lets check it out and see if we can see a similarity.

Our 'arry is up before the beak on some sort of a tax fraud. Maybe he's guilty maybe not. Maybe his dog was good at business and could afford a translator. They of course are all suppositions and could be argued till BK throws the towel in.

But here's the reality, Don Harry has played his football through his own personality stampt Spurs, just like El Tel did in '96.

Conspiricy? Argue amongst yourselves. It's good shit, it's food for thought. It's also probably something to do with a thing called "Common Purpose" Do the google thing yourselves cos it's complex.

Finally Harry Biggs will not be Englands next manager and Moyes will not go to Spurs.

Behave, whats Moyes ever done to make Spurs want him?

Whilst I agree that Venables was sacked as England manager for political reasons there was absolutely no chance that England would of won anything with him in charge.

Euro 96 was a very poor tournament, an average Germany side beat and even more average Czech side to win it!

England struggled during the tournament also, people think of the Holland game and think England played brilliantly throughout the tournament but that is a massive myth.

They struggled against the Swiss and Scotland in the group stages, hardly world giants! And Spain thoroughly outplayed England and had a perfectly legitimate goal ruled out for offside. Sure England should of won in the semis but they were lucky to get there in the first place!

And sorry if my rant is off topic but the above post just made me have to respond.

Ohh and Moyes out!!

Simon Bates, good point about Moyes being the missing ingredient this season. Personally, it's no secret what I think of the man, but the interview with him in the OS today really opened my eyes a little bit, both negative and positive for the bloke.

1. He admitted to not knowing much about the Bilyaletdinov transfer. Why not? He is the first team manager, and I assumed he would have his finger on the pulse when it concerns who is in that team and who isn't.

2. He seems a bit out of touch when saying that the negativity around the place has nothing to do with the board. Does he seriously believe that the fans are happy with the board?

3. He says that the only/best way to combat the negativity is to win games. Spot on. I couldn't give a fuck if the board was run by a combination of Bono, Chad Kroeger and the ghost of Jade Goody, as long as games are being won in the Premier League, I'd be happy. First time I've agreed with Moyes in a while.

Back to what Simon said, if Round is the main contact the players have with Moyes, then there are problems. It would also be quite pointless, as with no money for transfers, all Moyes has to do when he turns up to work is train his players to play football, mixed in with a bit of research our next opponents. What's he getting paid for?

Jamie options 1 and 2 are not going to happen. Bill will not let option 3 happen (if he has any sense - can't believe I'm suggesting Bill has any sense!) so that leave option 4 which is were it gets Interesting.

Giving Davey a further 5 years would suggest that Bill thinks he (that's Bill) will also be here for another 5 years -after all Davey will continue to tell everyone he has the best chairman in the world etc etc. sacking Davey may give him a short term breathing space but given we can't find 2 bob for a striker we aren't going to find compo money for any half decent manager to turn us around and both Bill and Davey know this as do half decent managers (what do you think managers talk about when they meet after the game for their famous "hospitality drinks" every club knows we have no money hense the insultingly low low bids for our players (eg Henderson / Downing / Carroll are they better players that the best little spaniard we knew?)

If he had real buyers meeting him Davey's contract length would be part of the discussion.

Imagine I meet Bills "buyer criteria

1. Must meet Bill's big price (£180m? for slightly less than 30%of the club)
2. Must make Bill life president or some other bizziebody position
3. Love the club as much as Bill

You will notice whats missing from the list is

1. Must be able to spend big on the squad.
2. Must be able to spend big on the ground
3. Must want Davey as the manager

So that's Bill's list of essencial requirements for a buyer of Everton - My list as the rich buyer is

1. How much will it cost own the club
2. How much needs to be spent on the squad
3. Is the current manager up to the job?
4. If not how much to make the problem go away
5. Whats the ground (call me old fashioned but Goodison is surely a football ground rather that a multi event stadium) going to cost me to sort out - or do I need to take this team elsewhere


So if Bill has buyers lined up Davey's not getting 5 years.

There is a fifth option, Jamie.

Moyes and EFC split "by mutual consent".

Some agreement could be reached where he walks away and receives a percentage of what he would have received had he seen out his contract.

I think if Moyes was as honourable as we believe him to be, he should consider such an option.

He won't be offered anything better by another club in the interim, so if he just sees out his contract I will despise him for it.

I know it is hard to walk aweay from £65K a week but he has beconme a fabulously wealthy man due to EFC so to take us right down to the wire whilst he has no longer the ability or the desire to turn things round will be unforgiveable in my opinion.

From my own point of view, if Kenwright offers Moyes a new contract I will not be renweing my season ticket.

I can't take any more of this insipid football on display every other week and the sad thing is, this type of football has been what Moyes has served up throughout his tenure here, but we all looked the other way because we won as many matches as we didn't..

Even in the seaon we finished fourth, we won six consecutive matches by a 1-0 scoreline.

I remember it well.....turgid stuff but at least we were getting results.

That is the big difference now....the same boring footballbut without the compensation od seeing the team win.

These are darker days than those leading up to Kevin Brock and Oxford '84, IMO.

I really fear for the future.

Paddy 116 spot on all the way, even to the sad option of Neville as successor, mind you better him than Round. I did postulate a Dunc Neville axis, I could still live with that.

FFS, Moyes built a team and squad, he spent up big and got a few bargains along the way. At one stage, we had a squad capable of competing with the big clubs and we were all looking forward to a season where we would be up there or there abouts. It didn't happen, we only started to play half way through the season.

The end of last season was the time for a clearout and to slowly introduce the new breed. We would have accepted that we are now rebuilding, we gave it our best shot but weren't up to it. We reached a level of performance that we were mostly happy with but now the wheels have fallen off and the engine has seized up.

We are basically clapped out (Saha, Cahill, Neville, Hibbert, Osman, Arteta, Pienaar and the Yak had all seen better days and played better football). It makes sense to start rebuilding with the likes of Duffy and Co.

We have a sulking dour defensively minded manager who has run his course, run out of ideas, is scared shitless, and blames the world for the state of play he finds himself. If he put a team out that was adventurous and gave the kids a run, we would understand. He don't and he won't.

Sorry to return to my recurrent theme but Moyes and Kenwright ARE joined at the hip.

Moyes comes over as a pathetic fall guy in his "it's all down to me and the team" outpourings on Sky this morning ? he is,as ever,covering the chairman`s arse and will obviously say anything to justify his ludicrous salary.

At the same time, it's unfortunate for Kenwright that his Moyesiah has seemingly lost his knack of getting inferior players to run through walls for him. He was never much good with reputedly higher quality players he's signed as they all see through him pretty early or aren't that good to start with. In particular, every striker he's signed has soon become useless and left here far worse than when he arrived. As it's the goalscorers who have always provided the entertainment, it's no wonder we are the most boring team in the land!

God knows how or when it could happen but, until these TWO depart, we are well and truly fucked!

I haven't read the responses yet but I had a vision of some posters heads exploding when reading the title...love it

Tony J Williams

Mercifully the "head in sand" Moyesiah troops still prevail so the mess won't be too big.

I'm investing in the spades and shovels market as the continued downward spiral will of course make them think again.

They will then dig bigger holes up to their arses.

Who are these Moyesiah troops you speak of Barry?

Most posters who argue/debate with the screamers offer mitigating factors, not many (Doddy) offer up a full vindication to Moyes at all.

Most posters agree Moyes is to blame but simply argue that he is not on his own and the blame should be spread around too,

Tony,whist Doddy never says a word against Moyes and even commends his boring football as `a necessarilly pragmatic approach`,I sense he is wavering in his unqualified support for BK.
I`m looking forward to the post window judgements he`s promised us on his heroes!

Tony

Who are these "screamers" you speak of?

Bring in whatever manager you want. We'll still be stuck with the root cause of our current situation; lousy ownership. Green, kenright etal have to go first. They're the cause of all this, not Moyes.

New ownership doesn't renew Moyes, they don't renew him. Life goes on. I rate Moyes myself and would like to see him have a go with something like a competitive budget.

But anyone here thinking being rid of Moyes while retaining the ownership group caused this looming disaster is kidding himself.

There's no such thing as piss-poor ownership (and that's describing Kenright etal kindly) and first-rate teams on the pitch.

Kenright and Green OUT!

I don't go along with this "we cannot afford to sack the ginger one because we don't have the dough to pay him off" bollocks. When the RS off-loaded TFSW, his contract owed him something like £20-25 million yet they got him in and settled on a pay-off, wouldn't this apply here?

Moyes's pay-off should be fuck all based on all he has achieved, he should be summoned to Goodison, told to fuck off and booted all the way down to Lime Street Station and put on the first train to Glasgow.

And before all his deluded supportors rant on about who would we get, let me tell you what this cunt of a chairman will do, after Elstone has told him the arse has fell out of the season ticket renewals he will stroke his chin and say to himself:

"Who would come here? Swallow the shite I come up with? Have fuck all to spend? And work for £25k a week? EUREKA!!! I will fast-track Duncan through his badges and give him the job! Those mugs would swallow that one for another 18 months... genius! Oh, and there is always Kendall..."

Damn what a moaning bunch of beauts. Moyes is the reason Everton haven't been fighting relegation for the past decade. Get rid of him and the ship finally sinks. I don't know what's worse, watching us play football lately or reading the endless drivel of comments on this website.

315, any manager could have saved us from relegation, we wanted a manager who could win a trophy. Evidently Moyes has proved without a shadow of a doubt he can't win a trophy... but he claims a fine salary for being mediocre!!

The "screamers" are the caps lock FACT people and the ones who use as many vitriolic names they can think of when describing the manager or calling others derogatory names (I know, I am doing the same in a sense, I see the irony) throughout their posts because other have a different view than them.

Tony its funny that most of the FACT people are those with that gem we'd be relegated without Moyes FACT types when thats plain supposition and can't be proved to be true or not.

I think Moyes had a great squad a few years ago and had the opportunity to take us to better things, the problem was he had no other ideas except for his 4-5-1 system which was eventually found out. Other teams know exactly how we will line up and find it easy to combat that, which is why people like Cahill have lost their effectiveness.

If he could have shown a side which could take the game to other teams, with the players we had I genuinely believe we would have had success. Too late now as the attacking players who I feel could have worked this well (Yak, Arteta, Pienaar, even the likes of AJ) have gone.

I feel the club have no choice but to go for the young up and coming guy and let Moyes go as his contract expires, or hope that another team comes in for him. I'd do whatever it takes for Brendan Rodgers from Swansea, after seeing some of the football they have played this year, most notably beating Arsenal at their own game. Then start again with our youth players given a chance, the likes of Barkley, Baxter, Vellios et al.

We can all moan and talk about how other managers could have done a better job than Moyes. But Moyes has taken us from relegation strugglers to fighting for a European place. Yes this is an off season. But that's because of the consistency brought in by Moyes. Before Moyes we were consistently crap! The decade of Moyes has been far better than the decade before him. Just look at our league finishes. 7 TOP 10 finsishes under Moyes. The decade before him? Just ONE!

David Sheen 690; Moyes has taken us from Relegation Strugglers...Wasn't Walter's Team 14th when he was sacked?