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Three into two doesn't go!
47 Comments: With three experienced and impressive central defenders, it's going to he hard for Moyes once Jagielka returns, as Johnny Heitinga has been impressive of late and it would be unfair to drop him.
If only we would change formation, we could accommodate Heitinga, Jagielka and Distin.
After Donovan leaves, the first eleven could look like this:
GK Howard
CB Heitinga
CB Jagielka
CB Distin
WB Coleman
CM Gibson
CM Fellaini
CM Pienaar
WB Baines
FW Straq/Anichebe/Cahill
FW Jelavic
Obviously this won't happen but it not only solves the problem but also looks more capable in attack (which is why it won't happen!)
Anthony Jaras, Posted 05/02/2012 at 19:53:52
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I too would love to see that line up tried Anthony but as you mentioned it is highly unlikely to happen.
Johnny should remain at the back no matter what and one of Distin or Jags should be made to warm the bench and earn there spot back.
Johnny should remain at the back no matter what and one of Distin or Jags should be made to warm the bench and earn there spot back.
5-3-2 would be torn to shreds these days.
I do agree with a change from 4-5-1 every time but it will never happen under Moyes so pretty futile.
I do agree with a change from 4-5-1 every time but it will never happen under Moyes so pretty futile.
It works with our personel. I've put this forward, and so have many other. Moyes just doen't like the formation, obviously.
People forget about Duffy!! He has came in, done very well, then bang ? bench for you, son.... not fair on the boy at all. Moyes will play his favourites ? have youse lot not realised that yet?
Cahill will get game time even if he is only 50 percent fit, Neville must play some part, as will Osman stroll back into the team when fit. Moyes will never ever ever ever change!! He is a negative "go with what you know" manager, percentage football with a "must not lose" mentality.
It must be really frustrating to be in the Everton squad, I mean no matter how well you play, when the favourites come back, you will be dropped.
As for the formation, I agree with the post above, it would get ripped to shreds in this league, a 4-3-3 is the way to go in my view.
Cahill will get game time even if he is only 50 percent fit, Neville must play some part, as will Osman stroll back into the team when fit. Moyes will never ever ever ever change!! He is a negative "go with what you know" manager, percentage football with a "must not lose" mentality.
It must be really frustrating to be in the Everton squad, I mean no matter how well you play, when the favourites come back, you will be dropped.
As for the formation, I agree with the post above, it would get ripped to shreds in this league, a 4-3-3 is the way to go in my view.
Ha..
That's actually pretty much the formation I play currently in FIFA 11/12 until they release the new updated teams with - Donovan, Gibson, Jelavic and Pienaar.
Drenthe gets in the team most of the time, so Baines will sumtimes dislodge one of the defenders on the left hand side.
Ofcourse 3 defenders don't work in todays world but be nice if could free up more midfielders..
That's actually pretty much the formation I play currently in FIFA 11/12 until they release the new updated teams with - Donovan, Gibson, Jelavic and Pienaar.
Drenthe gets in the team most of the time, so Baines will sumtimes dislodge one of the defenders on the left hand side.
Ofcourse 3 defenders don't work in todays world but be nice if could free up more midfielders..
So why wouldn't an 'official' 3 at the back with wingbacks work?? We've effectively had that since Baines became a fixture bombing forward but with only one wingback. With Coleman we now have 2, why not use them
James # 782 wrongway around it's 352
But as stated elsewhere Moyes can't even stomach 442, so no chance.
James # 782 wrongway around it's 352
But as stated elsewhere Moyes can't even stomach 442, so no chance.
Distin is IMO a very nervous looking defender. I don't know why because he's obviously a good player but he always seems on his nerves. His positioning also leaves a lot to be desired.
Since he's been out injured our backline has looked a lot calmer and more composed. There have been a lot less error strewn performances too. While I'd like to see him stay as a more than capable sub, I don't think he should be starting anymore. Nice to have four good players for them postions though.
In modern day football your fullbacks are as much an offensive as a defensive player. Very few actually stay back and cover the centre halves and do the traditional things a full back used to have to do.
Hibbert has improved going forward and is now a decent crosser, but as a footballer he is still quite poor. For this reason I'd look to play Coleman for a run of 5-10 games to see if he can do a job for us there. No doubt we would lose something defensively but we would also gain going forward. I've no doubt we won't ever see this happen, but IMO it's the right thing for us.
Once Donovan leaves we will again be struggling for pace and creativity. For this reason Drenthe has to be starting games. Despite some terrible moments in games he is still our most productive player in terms of goals and assists, although Baines may have overtook him after Saturday.
For me our best side looks like this
Howard
Coleman Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Fellaini
Drenthe Donovan Pienaar
Straq Jelavic
I'd bring Rodwell in for Donovan when he goes.
There's no way on earth I'll ever see that side run out at GP while Moyes is the manager but it's nice to dream and wonder what might happen if he watches a bit of Tom & Jerry and cheers up a bit.
Since he's been out injured our backline has looked a lot calmer and more composed. There have been a lot less error strewn performances too. While I'd like to see him stay as a more than capable sub, I don't think he should be starting anymore. Nice to have four good players for them postions though.
In modern day football your fullbacks are as much an offensive as a defensive player. Very few actually stay back and cover the centre halves and do the traditional things a full back used to have to do.
Hibbert has improved going forward and is now a decent crosser, but as a footballer he is still quite poor. For this reason I'd look to play Coleman for a run of 5-10 games to see if he can do a job for us there. No doubt we would lose something defensively but we would also gain going forward. I've no doubt we won't ever see this happen, but IMO it's the right thing for us.
Once Donovan leaves we will again be struggling for pace and creativity. For this reason Drenthe has to be starting games. Despite some terrible moments in games he is still our most productive player in terms of goals and assists, although Baines may have overtook him after Saturday.
For me our best side looks like this
Howard
Coleman Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Fellaini
Drenthe Donovan Pienaar
Straq Jelavic
I'd bring Rodwell in for Donovan when he goes.
There's no way on earth I'll ever see that side run out at GP while Moyes is the manager but it's nice to dream and wonder what might happen if he watches a bit of Tom & Jerry and cheers up a bit.
I think Moyes would see his best possible team as:
Howard;
Hibbert, Jagielka, Distin, Baines;
Fellaini; Osman, Gibson, Pienaar;
Cahill;
Jelavic
With Anichebe very much in the frame. I fully expect Rodwell and Heitinga to be shipped out in the summer. Exciting, eh?
Howard;
Hibbert, Jagielka, Distin, Baines;
Fellaini; Osman, Gibson, Pienaar;
Cahill;
Jelavic
With Anichebe very much in the frame. I fully expect Rodwell and Heitinga to be shipped out in the summer. Exciting, eh?
Heitinga is the best footballer out of all our center halves. Rarely caught on the ball, always running in to space and making himself available, awareness of what's going on around him, can pass the ball, and has got a bit of mongrel in him = automatic choice in any Everton team of mine.
As soon as Jagielka can walk he will be centre back. Moyes loves his favourites regardless of who is playing better.
Tim Cahill will go down as an Everton legend, but his best days are past him I'm afraid.
He is a willing runner, but now the goals have dried up, he offers little else. I just cannot see him banging in 10-12 goals a season for us. He is being marked more tightly these days, opposition managers are well versed on where he will pop up.
Impact sub at most, if we want to move forward.
He is a willing runner, but now the goals have dried up, he offers little else. I just cannot see him banging in 10-12 goals a season for us. He is being marked more tightly these days, opposition managers are well versed on where he will pop up.
Impact sub at most, if we want to move forward.
Wouldn't it be great to see something like:
Howard
Coleman Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Barkley Fellaini Pienaar
Donovan Jelavic Drenthe
Oh how I can dream! Moyes would have a heart attack if he saw that line up. To think they would play 'football' is out of the question!
"I'm not having footballing triangles in my team! And we cannae have all these players forward, what if we get hit on the break? Plus some of these lads are too short to defend corners!"
Howard
Coleman Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Barkley Fellaini Pienaar
Donovan Jelavic Drenthe
Oh how I can dream! Moyes would have a heart attack if he saw that line up. To think they would play 'football' is out of the question!
"I'm not having footballing triangles in my team! And we cannae have all these players forward, what if we get hit on the break? Plus some of these lads are too short to defend corners!"
More chance of Distin going to left back and pushing Baines on one to left wing. That way Moyes could get 7 defenders on with Coleman on the right of midfield and Captain Fantastic holding the middle.
Now is surely the best time to instigate a 4-2-3-1 formation with Howard in goal, Hibbert, Heitinga, Distin and Baines across the back, Fellaini and Gibson in frot of them. Then you could have Donovan, Pienaar and Drenthe playing interchangeable roles behing Jelavic. I know Donovan only has 2 games left with us, but a formation like this should be stronger front to back and allow Donovan and Drenthe in particular to get into the box and support Jelavic as the second striker when they don't have the ball.
Not a bad shout on the 352 - put forward before but hell will freeze over first before Moyes puts that team out.
I don't think 3 (actually 4 with Duffy) does need to go into two - nothing wrong with some honest competition for starting places. In a normal world Jag's form this season would see him sitting on the bench and not strolling back into the team - but he's one of the favourites....
Having 4 decent centre backs should also make it obvious where we could potentially sell to raise funds in the summer, (Duffy too young and Distin too old so either Jags or Jonny in my view - still think we should have bitten Arsenals hand off in the summer for Jags). However, in saying that Distin is getting on a bit so not sure how many matches he's got left in him.
I don't think 3 (actually 4 with Duffy) does need to go into two - nothing wrong with some honest competition for starting places. In a normal world Jag's form this season would see him sitting on the bench and not strolling back into the team - but he's one of the favourites....
Having 4 decent centre backs should also make it obvious where we could potentially sell to raise funds in the summer, (Duffy too young and Distin too old so either Jags or Jonny in my view - still think we should have bitten Arsenals hand off in the summer for Jags). However, in saying that Distin is getting on a bit so not sure how many matches he's got left in him.
Andrew 840 - that is a really good looking formation, even when Donovan goes you could try one of Gueye or Barkley and see how that works out.
If Felly and Gibsons job is to screen the defence then the attacking 4 would not have to track back 100% of the time.
However, no Neville, no Cahill in the side, then no fooking chance!
If Felly and Gibsons job is to screen the defence then the attacking 4 would not have to track back 100% of the time.
However, no Neville, no Cahill in the side, then no fooking chance!
3-5-2 has been tried before and failed miserably because it becomes so easy for opponents to play the ball into the space behind the wing back.
IMO a 4-5-1 that lends itself to become 4-3-3 during the game is most effective but it relies on the wide players being able to score goals.
Once Donovan goes back the only player who fits the bill is Drenthe so it looks like 4-4-2 at home (hopefully) and 4-5-1 away until and unless the quality of the squad is improved.
IMO a 4-5-1 that lends itself to become 4-3-3 during the game is most effective but it relies on the wide players being able to score goals.
Once Donovan goes back the only player who fits the bill is Drenthe so it looks like 4-4-2 at home (hopefully) and 4-5-1 away until and unless the quality of the squad is improved.
Know what you mean about Neville and Cahill Denis, but the other plus side to my eleven (at least so I believe anyway) is there is no huge investment needed to turn that side back into a top 5 or 6 team. Maybe replace Hibbert, bring in a good replacement instead of Donovan and maybe a more potent striker if Jelavic doesn't work out.
This IS Moyes Dream team
Howard
Hibbert DIstin Jags Baines
Coleman Heitinga Fellaini Neville
Gibson
Cahill
"No ones getting through that Team" he says to short Round.
Howard
Hibbert DIstin Jags Baines
Coleman Heitinga Fellaini Neville
Gibson
Cahill
"No ones getting through that Team" he says to short Round.
Actually Daniel, it's your suggestion what you think is Moyes's dream team
Think that was pretty obvious Tony J.
Actually thought it was quite funny, although I would have had Duffy in instead of Gibson, far too attacking. Then we would really have 8 defenders on the pitch:-)
Actually thought it was quite funny, although I would have had Duffy in instead of Gibson, far too attacking. Then we would really have 8 defenders on the pitch:-)
First off the headline is wrong. Three into two doesn't go.
Yes it does, in fact four into two goes in the modern game. You need back up players.
I find the Echo online story daft, too. So we have Pienaar and Drenthe (each only on loan unfortunately), and one likely to sulk as the other gets games. I don't see that, I mean, we more often put him on the right anyway. We currently have four that can play the wings: Pienaar, Gueye on the left, Donovan (or Coleman from next month) and Drenthe on the right. Perfect!
I only hope we spend (what, £6 million??) in the summer on Drenthe and one of Pienaar or Donovan. And if we lose one of Heitinga or Distin, that we get a replacement. I prefer 4-4-2 generally.
But the right players, then even 4-2-3-1 can be an attacking formation, if you get lots of possession, and have energetic attacking players, and wing-backs. But our right side defence is too old for me, unless we only play Coleman as a wing back. And I'm not convinced by his defending ? not nearly.
Yes it does, in fact four into two goes in the modern game. You need back up players.
I find the Echo online story daft, too. So we have Pienaar and Drenthe (each only on loan unfortunately), and one likely to sulk as the other gets games. I don't see that, I mean, we more often put him on the right anyway. We currently have four that can play the wings: Pienaar, Gueye on the left, Donovan (or Coleman from next month) and Drenthe on the right. Perfect!
I only hope we spend (what, £6 million??) in the summer on Drenthe and one of Pienaar or Donovan. And if we lose one of Heitinga or Distin, that we get a replacement. I prefer 4-4-2 generally.
But the right players, then even 4-2-3-1 can be an attacking formation, if you get lots of possession, and have energetic attacking players, and wing-backs. But our right side defence is too old for me, unless we only play Coleman as a wing back. And I'm not convinced by his defending ? not nearly.
Would love to see:
Howard
Coleman, Jags, Heitinga, Baines,
Donovan, Rodwell, Felliani, Drenthe,
Pienaar,
Jelavic
Once Donovan goes, I would then put Barkley out on the right-hand side or possibly Osman with Pienaar going wide. But, like most posts say, not a hope in hell's chance of that with Moyes... probably Phill Neville on the right instead of Barkley knowing Moyes.
Howard
Coleman, Jags, Heitinga, Baines,
Donovan, Rodwell, Felliani, Drenthe,
Pienaar,
Jelavic
Once Donovan goes, I would then put Barkley out on the right-hand side or possibly Osman with Pienaar going wide. But, like most posts say, not a hope in hell's chance of that with Moyes... probably Phill Neville on the right instead of Barkley knowing Moyes.
I'd buy Bolt and play him on the wing me....
Give us a bit of pace at least; plus it'd be funny as fuck...
Give us a bit of pace at least; plus it'd be funny as fuck...
Duffy did really well and could play first team now - with either Heitinga or Jags alongside him. Had we seen him partnering Distin the defence would have been considerably less secure.
Jags and Johnny - both 29 - are our best defenders and Moyes would be a fool to let either of them go. Distin - who has his qualities too - is the same age as Phil Neville, 35. I can't imagine anyone arguing that the captain is part of our future.
I hope that Duffy is.
Jags and Johnny - both 29 - are our best defenders and Moyes would be a fool to let either of them go. Distin - who has his qualities too - is the same age as Phil Neville, 35. I can't imagine anyone arguing that the captain is part of our future.
I hope that Duffy is.
With some of the line ups it's obvious to see that our team/squad isn't as bad as some have made out. There is quality. However, we are underperforming and that comes down to the players, the formation and ultimately Moyes.
The disturbing thing is that we could lose Donovan, Drenthe and Pienaar (all exciting players for me) and then would struggle to put out an attacking team. Some would say that is what Moyes wants!
Anyway, my chosen line up (for now) is:
Howard
Coleman, Heitinga, Jagielka, Baines
Fellaini, Gibson
Donovan, Barkley, Pienaar
Jelavic.
The disturbing thing is that we could lose Donovan, Drenthe and Pienaar (all exciting players for me) and then would struggle to put out an attacking team. Some would say that is what Moyes wants!
Anyway, my chosen line up (for now) is:
Howard
Coleman, Heitinga, Jagielka, Baines
Fellaini, Gibson
Donovan, Barkley, Pienaar
Jelavic.
What time does Neville go on?
TWO up front Anthony? Fuckin weirdo
Daniel A Johnson #849, that's ridiculous! How could Moyes have Neville on the wing, Gibson supporting the striker, and Fellaini holding the midfield. Obviously Moyes would shift Gibson out to left wing, because he's new and needs to earn his stripes, Neville into holding mid, because he's the captain and not going to try any stupid passes that go more than 3 yards, and Fellaini up with Cahill because he's tall so his only value to a team is to bomb high balls at him.
Gee, some people just don't know football.
Gee, some people just don't know football.
Why not just bypass the middle and go with the bomber formation ?
10-1 (includes the goalie). We could just smash it upfield to the big fella.....
Hang on a mo ! Scrap that wev'e tried it already.
10-1 (includes the goalie). We could just smash it upfield to the big fella.....
Hang on a mo ! Scrap that wev'e tried it already.
Top and bottom is Moyes has been here too long. The players are hearing the same tired old record. I would love to see a continental manager at Everton but that is never going to happen.
The game at Wigan was typical of this season, giving the ball away, letting a goal in before really trying to win. This has been a wasted season and how many of those have there been over the last 30 years?
The game at Wigan was typical of this season, giving the ball away, letting a goal in before really trying to win. This has been a wasted season and how many of those have there been over the last 30 years?
Top and Bottom is Moyes has been here to long. The players are hearing the same tired old record. Would love to see a continental manager at Everton but that is never going to happen. The game at Wigan was typical of this season, giving the ball away letting a goal in before really trying to win. This has been a wasted season and how many of those hasthere been over the last thirty years
I like Heitinga, we play better football with him in the team and don't rely on last ditch defending. Heitinga reads the game and won't invite pressure on like Jagielka.
All fans see are the last ditch tackles of Jags and they think he is a great defender, but he isn't, because he brings those situations on himself with his style of play. I don't rate him; never have, never will.
Unfortunately, as soon as Jagielka is 'fit', Johnny's first mistake will see him relegated to the subs bench .
Shame, he is the best footballer we have in the back four, but we all know Moyes isn't about football.
All fans see are the last ditch tackles of Jags and they think he is a great defender, but he isn't, because he brings those situations on himself with his style of play. I don't rate him; never have, never will.
Unfortunately, as soon as Jagielka is 'fit', Johnny's first mistake will see him relegated to the subs bench .
Shame, he is the best footballer we have in the back four, but we all know Moyes isn't about football.
Nick
I was going to put pen to paper on this one but you did it for me. Thanks
Even before the injuries to both Distin and Jagielka, Heitinga was far and away the most accomplished footballer of the 3. I might have been a tad harsh when I referred to Jagielka as an old fashioned yard dog but a footballer he is not. I like Distin but he is like Howard and prone to some serious lapses.
I would be extremely disappointed not only to see Heitinga out of the team but possibly sold.
I was going to put pen to paper on this one but you did it for me. Thanks
Even before the injuries to both Distin and Jagielka, Heitinga was far and away the most accomplished footballer of the 3. I might have been a tad harsh when I referred to Jagielka as an old fashioned yard dog but a footballer he is not. I like Distin but he is like Howard and prone to some serious lapses.
I would be extremely disappointed not only to see Heitinga out of the team but possibly sold.
I think it's a mute point at the minute guys as Jags is nowhere near ready to return yet and to be honest if its the same cruciate ligament as last time it'll take a lot longer than 6 weeks.
What we need to ask ourselves is where exactly Rodwell fits into the scheme of things when he's fit.
Would you pick him ahead of Fellaini,Pieanaar,Gibson or Drenthe...neither would I.
But at least with everybody fit we'll have some strength in depth not lots just some
take a look.
GK-Howard,Mucha,Hanneman.
DEF-Hibbert,Baines,Distin,Duffy,Jagielka,Heittinga,Neville.
MID-Fellaini,Drenthe,Coleman,Pieanaar,Rodwell,Gibson,Osman,Cahill,Barkley,Mcffadden.
C/F-Jelavic,Straq,Velios,Anechebe,Mcalaney,Guaye.
Ok so it ain't Barca but it ain't bad.
What we need to ask ourselves is where exactly Rodwell fits into the scheme of things when he's fit.
Would you pick him ahead of Fellaini,Pieanaar,Gibson or Drenthe...neither would I.
But at least with everybody fit we'll have some strength in depth not lots just some
take a look.
GK-Howard,Mucha,Hanneman.
DEF-Hibbert,Baines,Distin,Duffy,Jagielka,Heittinga,Neville.
MID-Fellaini,Drenthe,Coleman,Pieanaar,Rodwell,Gibson,Osman,Cahill,Barkley,Mcffadden.
C/F-Jelavic,Straq,Velios,Anechebe,Mcalaney,Guaye.
Ok so it ain't Barca but it ain't bad.
5 defenders in the team and a holding mid? As if that would go down well on this place. 5 minutes of it not working and it'd magically turn from Toffeeweb's 3-5-2 to Moyes's negative, dour, dreary, dismal, defensive 5-3-2.
We've got good attacking full backs and good wide players. Why pick a formation that relies on our incompetent central mdifield taking the extra creativity load?
We've got good attacking full backs and good wide players. Why pick a formation that relies on our incompetent central mdifield taking the extra creativity load?
The Shite have beaten Chelsea and Man city playing 3-5-2 this season. Not as daft as some would have you believe.
Personally I would see the most likely options in that Jags, Neville, McFadden and Cahill are shipped out at the end of the season, Drenthe will probably move on as well as Strac.. and lets face it, probably Rodwell as well..
So, two big movers out for big money.. Jags and Rodwell..
Cahill and McFadden adn Mucha sold for nominal fees
Neville out to grass..
Drenthe and Strac loans ended..thank you but no thank you says Moyes.
That would leave
Howard
Baines
Heitinga
Duffy / Distin
Hibbert / Coleman
Fellaini
Gibson
Barkley
Osman
Pienaar
Jelavic
Big Vic
Plus a couple of loans agains..
So, two big movers out for big money.. Jags and Rodwell..
Cahill and McFadden adn Mucha sold for nominal fees
Neville out to grass..
Drenthe and Strac loans ended..thank you but no thank you says Moyes.
That would leave
Howard
Baines
Heitinga
Duffy / Distin
Hibbert / Coleman
Fellaini
Gibson
Barkley
Osman
Pienaar
Jelavic
Big Vic
Plus a couple of loans agains..
Christine
Couple of problems with your possible scenarion
1. I think Neville is being groomed to take over from Moyes. How else do you explain his continued involvement. I know people suggest he is a leader but it's quiet enough at Goodison these days (Man. City game apart) for Neville to sit on the sidelines and just shout orders. Bit like Round does
2. As for VIc well it depends on what happens with Van Persie. I think if as expected he moves on from Arsenal, it will only be a matter of time before Arsene comes knocking for Big Vic. From my perspective I hope that Van Persie does indeed move on
Couple of problems with your possible scenarion
1. I think Neville is being groomed to take over from Moyes. How else do you explain his continued involvement. I know people suggest he is a leader but it's quiet enough at Goodison these days (Man. City game apart) for Neville to sit on the sidelines and just shout orders. Bit like Round does
2. As for VIc well it depends on what happens with Van Persie. I think if as expected he moves on from Arsenal, it will only be a matter of time before Arsene comes knocking for Big Vic. From my perspective I hope that Van Persie does indeed move on
Steve, why do you reckon Wenger has his eye on Big Vic? Surely there are better options out there then our little (or not so little) Nigerian. Sounds like Jeffers Mark II if he does!
Vijay.your right I could probably name about 30 better options for Wenger and that's only players in the Premier League.
I know he has contributed a couple of goals lately but there is more chance of me becoming a red than joining Victor's fan club.
PS Don't remind anyone of the Jeffers deal. When it happened it was probably the deal of the decade as far as Everton were concerned
I know he has contributed a couple of goals lately but there is more chance of me becoming a red than joining Victor's fan club.
PS Don't remind anyone of the Jeffers deal. When it happened it was probably the deal of the decade as far as Everton were concerned
James Martin, I've advocated a three centre half set up for a couple of seasons now, so I say this in hypothetical advance.
If Moyes deployed a 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 (hint: they're exactly the same formation, just one sounds more attacking than the other) I would accept if it didn't work.
The thing that I would like to see is an attempt at a different set up. Moyes quote: "You've got to keep doing what you're doing and hope that it works."
No, that is the exact opposite of logic. If he tried a different approach it would show a lot of fans that he isn't as rigid as suggested.
That said, the most likely scenario for when Jags is fit again is that Moyes will move Heitinga back up to midfield.
If Moyes deployed a 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 (hint: they're exactly the same formation, just one sounds more attacking than the other) I would accept if it didn't work.
The thing that I would like to see is an attempt at a different set up. Moyes quote: "You've got to keep doing what you're doing and hope that it works."
No, that is the exact opposite of logic. If he tried a different approach it would show a lot of fans that he isn't as rigid as suggested.
That said, the most likely scenario for when Jags is fit again is that Moyes will move Heitinga back up to midfield.
Careful Roman. You'll have the flat earth society on your case in a minute.
Is that the belief structure that has the universe revolving around David Moyes, Stephen?
With 4-5-1 at the centre of it's mass!
Martin #219
Paraphrasing: "Would you 'pick Rodwell ahead of Fellaini, Pienaar, Gibson or Drenthe... neither would I"
Errm I would. I know I'm in the minority on this site, but I happen to think Rodwell was playing well before his injury and will become a class footballer.
He gets a lot of stick for passing sideways and backwards, but he needs to have team mates moving into space to go forwards, difficult when the majority of midfielders around him are defensively minded.
Paraphrasing: "Would you 'pick Rodwell ahead of Fellaini, Pienaar, Gibson or Drenthe... neither would I"
Errm I would. I know I'm in the minority on this site, but I happen to think Rodwell was playing well before his injury and will become a class footballer.
He gets a lot of stick for passing sideways and backwards, but he needs to have team mates moving into space to go forwards, difficult when the majority of midfielders around him are defensively minded.
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773 Posted 05/02/2012 at 23:50:51
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Feel let down coming this week having watched an amazing display against City only to watch service resume as normal. Side playing poorly and Moyes content with our failings.
Jags is the best centre-back of the three (Jags of two years ago that is). He hasn't hit the same heights since Lescott left and he damaged his knee. I love Distin's strength and speed. If he was in his twenties, I'd be happy to stick with him. But for me, Heitinga is the best all-round centre-back at Everton.