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Capello: The beginning of the end?
196 Comments: With Capello's resignation, the smart money is on 'Appy 'Awwy becoming next England manager.
Spurs have been seen as the next obvious step for Moyes for some time. If the dominoes fall in line with the betting, we could well be looking for a new manager sooner than anticipated. Will we be as 'Appy as 'Awwy?
Personally, I see it as potentially an escape route for all parties.
For Moyes, a way out of the tactical cul-de-sac he has backed himself into.
For the pro-Moyes faction, the excuse that he moved on to greater things.
For the anti-Moyes faction, it provides a welcome relief.
The only person exposed is BK; Moyes leaving would expose him in a way he has successfully avoided for some time now and may provide the moment where he cannot sustain the illusion of stability anymore...
Steve Guy, Posted 08/02/2012 at 22:54:56
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I think we should ban all criticism of `our man` on here so that there is no indication to the Spurs board that he is anything but the true Moyesiah!!
Who are we to deprive the man of a real `career opportunity`?
Who are we to deprive the man of a real `career opportunity`?
So, Capello gone. Harry red hot fave.
Tottenham, I understand want a bit more control over spending.
Step forward a man used to living on a budget?
Be careful what you wish for?
So - Capello quits as England manager...
Harry Redknapp HOT favourite to take over.
Does this mean Moyes to Tottenham?
And, if so... what next for us??!
Capello resigns, 'Arry's not guilty... Maybe it was a condition? Fabio was asked to wait on 'Arry's verdict before he quit?
Either way... Wouldn't it be great if David Moyes pissed off to Spurs to join his partner in crime of this season, Saha? Between the two of them, in a few months, we are now the least entertaining team in the league.
"Oh noooo! Who shall ever replace this genius tactician?"...
My mates 23-year old sister! That's who! She's top of a pretty competitive "Dream Team" . She knows who should be playing where, she knows the players ages, she remembers stats & recalls shortcomings in previous performances. Joking aside... Sophie, Finch Farm, 7:30 am, bring your tracky!
Gonna put this "out there" again... Di Canio?
Will I just bend over now?
Redknapp acquitted - Capello resigns - Redknapp appointed England manager - Moyes goes to Tottenham???
What are the odds?
Such a shame that O'Neill was picked up by Sunderland so recently.... I ALWAYS saw him as the ideal boss. And - seeing what he has done so incredibly quickly at Sunderland proves my point.
Other than him, not sure who I'd like...
Maybe Bilic ? now that we have Jelavic?
Otherwise, Stubbs, Weir, Neville ? from within...or Lambert?
I'm almost inclined to want to hang on to Moyesie.
Other than him, not sure who I'd like...
Maybe Bilic ? now that we have Jelavic?
Otherwise, Stubbs, Weir, Neville ? from within...or Lambert?
I'm almost inclined to want to hang on to Moyesie.
Capello for Moyes.... Discuss!!
Well, why not, Capello is defensive but he wins titles. He mightn't come because we've got no money, but we should try shouldn't we?
I'd love to see the look on Saha's face when Moyes walks into the Spurs dressing room.
Capello gone, Redknap for England... Lets see if Tottenham go for 'great manager' Moyes!
We are always told by football pundits and other managers what a great manager David Moyes is. Well now is the moment of truth, will 'big' club Tottenham go for Davey boy if Harry gets the England job?
If his standing in the game is as high as what we Evertonians keep getting told, then we should get an approach... but I personally think it's a myth and he's got no chance!
Moyes is the antithesis of what Tottenham are all about. For a man that his dismantled Nil Satis Nisi Optimum, I can't see the custodians of "Audere est facere" (to dare is to do) coming knocking. To dare is to do. Even the most ardent fan of Moyes (Tony J Williams for example) could not in all seriousness say that Moyes is right for Spurs.
I think Harry is a cert for the England job ? although maybe full-time after the EPL season ends.
So what about Spurs? Probably a foreign manager (i.e. Jose?), but don't you think Moyes might not only see a chance to escape the rut he's in at Everton, but might have a few admirers on the Spurs board?
Moyes to Tottenham? Just read he could be an option for Spurs if/when Harry gets the job.
If if's and buts were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas.
It looks like 'Arry is odds on favourite to take over from Fabio Capello. To be honest, it was highly likely that Redknapp would take over the England hotseat after Euro 2012, but yesterday's news has thrown up the debate earlier than planned.
It also means that Spurs will be looking for a new manager, and I have already heard that several betting websites have David Moyes listed as one of the early favourite.
Personally I like David Moyes, and think he has done a great job at the club. I know there are several who disagree on this website, so I won't go down that road!
But if the opportunity presents itself, then I wouldn't be surprised if Moyes took the Spurs job if offered. Would you begrudge him that? Do you think he would be good for Spurs? It would certainly be interesting to see what he can do with a squad of more creative players shall we say!
But Moyes leaving would lead to a huge change at Everton whatever way you look at it.
Some players are very loyal to Moyes - would they leave? Whatever Everton fans think of Moyes, he has a fantastic reputation in football and media circles, and that surely is a positive, be it when players wanting to come to Everton and trusting in a manager with a good track record. There is stability at the club (in terms of players coming to a club and knowing that a manager is not going to be sacked within a few months), and that is valuable when deciding to play for a manager.
Just some thoughts about what could happen if Moyes goes in the England circus merry-go-round. I'm sure there will be the usual replies of "we'll play more attractive football and be more tactically astute" but I also think it is worth pointing out that we will also lose some positives as well that are not quite as easily replaced. I guess only time will tell!
No way will Spurs move for Moyes.
No Champs League experience & far too cautious, their fans like to watch attacking football y'know.
No Champs League experience & far too cautious, their fans like to watch attacking football y'know.
Fingers crossed moyes pissess off!
There was speculation a while ago, that if 'onest 'Arry was offered the England job that Spurs would be interested in replacing him with Moyes. It is clear now after Capello's resignation that Rednapp will be the next England manager. Will Spurs pursue Moyes????
Would Spurs accept decisions like throwing Neville on at half-time for a forward against the worst team in the league?
It is decisions like this that I personally think will stop Moyes from ever getting a bigger job than he has now.
Like him or hate him, Redknapp has always had balls to go at teams when they are there for the taking and this is something Moyes has never had in him ? and last Saturday, Wigan were there for the taking.
It is decisions like this that I personally think will stop Moyes from ever getting a bigger job than he has now.
Like him or hate him, Redknapp has always had balls to go at teams when they are there for the taking and this is something Moyes has never had in him ? and last Saturday, Wigan were there for the taking.
Never in a million years. I was waiting for this mailbag. Some of our fans are completely dillusional when it comes to their opinions of wonderful Moyes.
Moyes has the complete opposite ethos of Spurs when it comes to style of football. Spurs have always had a history of attacking football, there is no way they'd swap their current style for a Moyes team that "works, works and works again" or is "hard to beat".
Moyes's style is the reason no big team has come in for him: Spurs, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea have all swapped managers recently and they have never come in for Moyes ? why? Because he isn't good enough and he's too defensive. That's a piece of reality that all the pro-Moyes boyz don't have an answer for, still, they will believe what they want to believe.
Celtic is Moyes's next defensive mission.
Moyes has the complete opposite ethos of Spurs when it comes to style of football. Spurs have always had a history of attacking football, there is no way they'd swap their current style for a Moyes team that "works, works and works again" or is "hard to beat".
Moyes's style is the reason no big team has come in for him: Spurs, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea have all swapped managers recently and they have never come in for Moyes ? why? Because he isn't good enough and he's too defensive. That's a piece of reality that all the pro-Moyes boyz don't have an answer for, still, they will believe what they want to believe.
Celtic is Moyes's next defensive mission.
Be very surprised if Spurs went for Moyes. They are a team on the up and will want someone with European experience and a proven track record. Much more likely they go for a Mourinho or Hddink type appointment.
Moyes more likely to end up at Celtic I would think.
Moyes more likely to end up at Celtic I would think.
James 532, Nil satis Nisi Optimum was dismantled a long time before Moyes came.
Another point, look at what Harry achieved in 3 years with Spurs.
They were rock bottom of the prem when he took over.
He won the FA Cup.
He's got them into the Champs League.
He has produced an attacking side challenging for the title.
All done with far less money than Man Cty, Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool.
Levy would have to turn into a stark raving looney to now take 2 steps back and appoint Moyes.
They were rock bottom of the prem when he took over.
He won the FA Cup.
He's got them into the Champs League.
He has produced an attacking side challenging for the title.
All done with far less money than Man Cty, Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool.
Levy would have to turn into a stark raving looney to now take 2 steps back and appoint Moyes.
How funny would it be if ?Arry didn?t get it!
You never know?. Remember Brian Clough?!
You never know?. Remember Brian Clough?!
He's going nowhere (Moyes that is).
He has his 15 year plan to complete and anyway, he's shite ? and the rest of the top teams know it.
He has his 15 year plan to complete and anyway, he's shite ? and the rest of the top teams know it.
Whilst I agree that, from an Evertonian's perspective, you would ask "why?", outside of L4 DM's reputuation and stock is still high. You've only got to read the papers, listen to radio and watch TV to know this.
I work in London and there's plenty down here who believe what they are told in the media, rather than what they can see with their own eyes. The general consensus is that he has been held back by Everton's lack of funds not his own skills as a manager.
I work in London and there's plenty down here who believe what they are told in the media, rather than what they can see with their own eyes. The general consensus is that he has been held back by Everton's lack of funds not his own skills as a manager.
'For the pro-Moyes faction, the excuse...'
Be gone with you. We don't need one.
Anyway, how's Betty's Tea Rooms?
Be gone with you. We don't need one.
Anyway, how's Betty's Tea Rooms?
Not only would I be delighted if dour Davey fucked off for our sakes but I'd be very happy that he would then work on completely derailing Spurs.
Could you imagine him shouting "track back" to Bale and telling Modric to stick to his rigid formation? They'll be off like a shot and he'd probably sign Osman and Neville as their replacements. Come on you Spurs!
Could you imagine him shouting "track back" to Bale and telling Modric to stick to his rigid formation? They'll be off like a shot and he'd probably sign Osman and Neville as their replacements. Come on you Spurs!
Moyes currently 11/2 second fav behind the Special One to take over at Spurs
Nick, I've lived in Harrogate for 16 year's and I'm proud to say I've never been ;-)
Steve, my dad lives in Knaresborough so I'm a regular visitor... to Harrogate, not the tea rooms, but they do a mean caramel slice!
Have you ever seen Peter Beagrie knocking about?
Have you ever seen Peter Beagrie knocking about?
Nick, PB used to live round the corner from me, as did Stuart McCall. Regularly see Nigel Martyn and Craig Short around and about too. Loads of Leeds players and a few from the Teeside teams to.
Harrogate....the new Formby !
Harrogate....the new Formby !
How many times has Harry finished above Moyes?
I think Moyes deserves a crack at the Spurs job although I imagine BK will fight hard to keep him and might even hold him to his contract which has another 12 months to run.
However,if he were to go,I suspect the chairman would move quickly to appoint Phil Neville who bears all the attributes of Davey,particularly loyalty.The other great advantage would obviously be continuity,perhaps with enhanced roles for Stubbsy and Big Dunc!
However,if he were to go,I suspect the chairman would move quickly to appoint Phil Neville who bears all the attributes of Davey,particularly loyalty.The other great advantage would obviously be continuity,perhaps with enhanced roles for Stubbsy and Big Dunc!
Richard Dodd, get a ball, go outside, and kick it against a brick wall for a couple of hours. Maybe then you'd learn something about football.
Moyes will only go to Spurs if he has assurances that Modric, Bale and Van Der Vaart will get back for every corner!
If he were to go, I'd like to see Chris Hughton or Ian Holloway come in and freshen things up and put a real positive intent behind our football.
And before all the Moyes lovers pipe up about Holloway getting relegated with Blackpool, he had a team full of championship players and got them playing great football. With our decent defenders and attacking potential, he could possibly get us back around the top 6. As for Hughton, he did well with Newcastle and should never have been sacked, and he is now doing a great job with Birmingham after having to bring in about 17 players.
Careful what you w...no! Moyes out please.
If he were to go, I'd like to see Chris Hughton or Ian Holloway come in and freshen things up and put a real positive intent behind our football.
And before all the Moyes lovers pipe up about Holloway getting relegated with Blackpool, he had a team full of championship players and got them playing great football. With our decent defenders and attacking potential, he could possibly get us back around the top 6. As for Hughton, he did well with Newcastle and should never have been sacked, and he is now doing a great job with Birmingham after having to bring in about 17 players.
Careful what you w...no! Moyes out please.
Richard,for all the WRONG reasons,you may well have read it right!
Cue then for our wonderful chairman to be pushing a big (even bigger?) new contract to keep our wonderboy onside.
Capello may not have done us any favours after all!
Cue then for our wonderful chairman to be pushing a big (even bigger?) new contract to keep our wonderboy onside.
Capello may not have done us any favours after all!
The Evening Standard had an article about this last night, and it linked Moyes with the job. I thought their analysis was fairly accurate when they made the 2 following points:
Would the fans put up with his style of football (well organised, hard working but not expansive)?
He seems to be a manager that can only work on a low budget, as his big money buys have not done great at Everton.
As I say, this was in the London press. I really don't think Moyes and Tottenham are a great fit, but I hope for all parties that it comes off, as things have gone badly stale here...
Would the fans put up with his style of football (well organised, hard working but not expansive)?
He seems to be a manager that can only work on a low budget, as his big money buys have not done great at Everton.
As I say, this was in the London press. I really don't think Moyes and Tottenham are a great fit, but I hope for all parties that it comes off, as things have gone badly stale here...
This has to be one of the silliest articles I've read on here in a long time.
I'd be more than happy to drive David to WHL myself, but do people really think that Moyes "style" would be to spurs liking? I'm not sure they've got enough defenders, in any case.
When Moyes leaves - because Kenwright will never get rid - it will be to either Scotland, Celtic, or one of our peers who are content to be also-rans in the premier league.
He'll never end up at a team whose fans & board demand to win things and play good football.
Just goes to show that all the bollocks about him being a "world class" manager, and doing a fantastic job is just talk. If it weren't the bigger clubs would be banging on our door every time one of them changed manager.
I'd be more than happy to drive David to WHL myself, but do people really think that Moyes "style" would be to spurs liking? I'm not sure they've got enough defenders, in any case.
When Moyes leaves - because Kenwright will never get rid - it will be to either Scotland, Celtic, or one of our peers who are content to be also-rans in the premier league.
He'll never end up at a team whose fans & board demand to win things and play good football.
Just goes to show that all the bollocks about him being a "world class" manager, and doing a fantastic job is just talk. If it weren't the bigger clubs would be banging on our door every time one of them changed manager.
Richard, you do make me smile.
Tommy Coleman spot on.
Tommy Coleman spot on.
Tommy Coleman, Tottenham have not won the FA Cup under Redknapp, he won it with Portsmouth.
If I owned a football club, I would not allow David Moyes within 100 miles of the stadium in case his miserable, negative, defeatist mentality rubbed off on the players.
There is more chance of Liverpool Football Club accepting a refereeing decision against it than that of David Moyes becoming the manager of Tottenham Hotspur.
Unfortunately for Everton, Daniel Levy is a chairman who knows what he is doing and would not consider Moyes as suitable for his club in a million years.
If I owned a football club, I would not allow David Moyes within 100 miles of the stadium in case his miserable, negative, defeatist mentality rubbed off on the players.
There is more chance of Liverpool Football Club accepting a refereeing decision against it than that of David Moyes becoming the manager of Tottenham Hotspur.
Unfortunately for Everton, Daniel Levy is a chairman who knows what he is doing and would not consider Moyes as suitable for his club in a million years.
Cheers Brian, got my dates mixed up with the League Cup final he was in with Spurs.
Now Spurs have Saha who had a public fallout with Moyes, maybe this will scupper any chance of the Spurs job.
If you are a regular Toffeeweb reader, you are forced to ask yourself the 'what if?' question from time to time. And I am one who would not want Moyes to go. I would like him to try to manage us with a bit of money to spend first (rather than simply having to swap players most of the time).
But as for the, 'what if?' question, like Wayne Mac above I too have suggested Di Canio on here. Some relationship with our fans; a skilful attacker so our team are likely to try to play that sort of football; a manager on the up.
Don't think it will happen though.
But as for the, 'what if?' question, like Wayne Mac above I too have suggested Di Canio on here. Some relationship with our fans; a skilful attacker so our team are likely to try to play that sort of football; a manager on the up.
Don't think it will happen though.
Why isn't David Moyes being considered as England Manger?
True, he's Scottish but he's spent decades in north-west England and, as his time at Everton proves, he excels at making the very best of limited resources. Moreover Moyes's philosophy is sufficiently pragmatic to ensure we don't try to outpass Spain but sufficiently tuned in to the bigger aesthetic picture to avoid the possibility of fans thinking the team might as well be managed by Sam Allardyce.
Working from his Preston home, he could correct the currently unhealthy bias towards London-based players, while his assistant, Steve Round ? who has worked with England before ? is a top coach who should accompany him. Moyes would also be heavily into coaching education ? and England craves a whole new generation of cleverer coaches.
True, he's Scottish but he's spent decades in north-west England and, as his time at Everton proves, he excels at making the very best of limited resources. Moreover Moyes's philosophy is sufficiently pragmatic to ensure we don't try to outpass Spain but sufficiently tuned in to the bigger aesthetic picture to avoid the possibility of fans thinking the team might as well be managed by Sam Allardyce.
Working from his Preston home, he could correct the currently unhealthy bias towards London-based players, while his assistant, Steve Round ? who has worked with England before ? is a top coach who should accompany him. Moyes would also be heavily into coaching education ? and England craves a whole new generation of cleverer coaches.
Not a chance a club on the up with money and a great squad, Mourinho wants an English challenge again, come summer i think that could happen Mourinho to Spurs. We are stuck with dithering Dave forever until Kenwright goes which will be never!!
Cannot see it myself - unfortunately.
However - just to provoke debate - what about Ian Holloway as a replacement if Moyes does go?
Blackpool play good stuff, are doing OK despite selling some of their team after relegation, and with players like Drenthe and Barkley could he do a good job for us?
However - just to provoke debate - what about Ian Holloway as a replacement if Moyes does go?
Blackpool play good stuff, are doing OK despite selling some of their team after relegation, and with players like Drenthe and Barkley could he do a good job for us?
If Redknapp does get the England job, the smart money could be on the Newcastle manager. Done a very good job at Newcastle. And has 2 outstanding strikers, who will probably score goals for fun until the end of the season.
Don't think pards would go, Steavey
Louise Taylor - spot on, point by point.
The potential England squad is a rag-bag of limited players with no real stars. No problem for Davey - and I do mean that as a kind of back-handed compliment to him given the budget.
And Baines would get the caps he deserves. Which would probably be the best outcome of this in terms of justice.
The potential England squad is a rag-bag of limited players with no real stars. No problem for Davey - and I do mean that as a kind of back-handed compliment to him given the budget.
And Baines would get the caps he deserves. Which would probably be the best outcome of this in terms of justice.
Think you're right Mark. The sort of guy I would think it needs to be is more of an upcoming manager, keen to prove he can cut the mustard at Premiership level. A bit like Moyes when he arrived.
Of course, he'd need to be happy with generating his own funds for new players - something which many guys have been doing in the Championship anyway.
Of course, no way of knowing if they could take the pressure higher up the league.
Of course, he'd need to be happy with generating his own funds for new players - something which many guys have been doing in the Championship anyway.
Of course, no way of knowing if they could take the pressure higher up the league.
Tommy Coleman (544), I think you underestimate how much money Redknapp has spent.
Since 2003 (I know Redknapp can't be blamed for the early years), Spurs have spent £308,400,000 - and a net spend of £110,000,000.
In that time, Everton have spent £114,000,000 in total - and a net spend of just £15,000,000.
Pretty harsh to compare Moyes to Redknapp or anybody else who has managed Spurs when it comes to transfer fees. The disparity is ridiculous.
And as for the old "Spurs were struggling when Harry took over", it's a completely false argument. They'd had a bafflingly bad start to the season, but they had a team worth hundreds of millions of pounds. There was no way they weren't going to improve, Harry had the easiest job in the world in overseeing the inevitable.
Since 2003 (I know Redknapp can't be blamed for the early years), Spurs have spent £308,400,000 - and a net spend of £110,000,000.
In that time, Everton have spent £114,000,000 in total - and a net spend of just £15,000,000.
Pretty harsh to compare Moyes to Redknapp or anybody else who has managed Spurs when it comes to transfer fees. The disparity is ridiculous.
And as for the old "Spurs were struggling when Harry took over", it's a completely false argument. They'd had a bafflingly bad start to the season, but they had a team worth hundreds of millions of pounds. There was no way they weren't going to improve, Harry had the easiest job in the world in overseeing the inevitable.
I can see Moyes moving to Spurs but who we get after him will be the biggest debate.
I'd like Di Canio, Peter Reid or Big Dunc ? all 3 have a great passion for football,l unlike Mr Moyes. Di Canio fights his team's corner as would the other two who love Everton as a club. Also, they would bring back some excitment for the fans and plus Moyes leaving could leave BK very vulnerable meaning there's a good chance he'll go.
I've never supported the English national team but I still cannot understand why Capello was ever picked for the job.
I'd like Di Canio, Peter Reid or Big Dunc ? all 3 have a great passion for football,l unlike Mr Moyes. Di Canio fights his team's corner as would the other two who love Everton as a club. Also, they would bring back some excitment for the fans and plus Moyes leaving could leave BK very vulnerable meaning there's a good chance he'll go.
I've never supported the English national team but I still cannot understand why Capello was ever picked for the job.
Keith, I doubt Baines would be starting. Moyes has said a few times he rates Cole higher than Leighton.
If he did go we could finally put to bed whether he's a winner hamstrung by the financial constraints of Everton, or a steady-eddie type who brings stability and an eye for a player?
IMO his style of football wouldn't go down well with players or fans at Spurs.
That said in the cold light of day the challenge of getting Everton to where we all think we should be would have broken other men a lot sooner than it appears to have broken him.
If he did go we could finally put to bed whether he's a winner hamstrung by the financial constraints of Everton, or a steady-eddie type who brings stability and an eye for a player?
IMO his style of football wouldn't go down well with players or fans at Spurs.
That said in the cold light of day the challenge of getting Everton to where we all think we should be would have broken other men a lot sooner than it appears to have broken him.
Spurs tried a "Moyes" with George Graham, he even won a cup with them - they still fucked him off.
More importantly Moyes and his ilk are stoneage even promoted clubs realise holding on to nil nil is ultimately a road to disaster.
If Hodgson got the England job Moyes would be a perfect fit at West Brom (my Baggies mate would have a fit)
More importantly Moyes and his ilk are stoneage even promoted clubs realise holding on to nil nil is ultimately a road to disaster.
If Hodgson got the England job Moyes would be a perfect fit at West Brom (my Baggies mate would have a fit)
Can't believe I had to scroll down to Paul Foster, until the 52nd reply, until someone brought up the spending differences! (and spoke some sense)
Do you guys understand football, or just get it all from the Sun?
Spurs spent and spent and spent for years and constantly underachieved. Harry is no miracle worker, he simply is finally achieving what he should be at Spurs! When he took over they were low down in the league, but it was an artificial position (as Arsenal were for instance after the first 4/5 games of this season).
If Moyes had Levy as a chairman, we would have breached the top four again and won a cup. Moyes is not a genius, nor is he as terrible as some make out, but he is an effective defensive manager under whom we played good funding when we could compete financially. He makes annoying decisions and he makes good ones, and he has spent as well as most managers in this league.
For those who think Capello would come to us...I don?t think it needs a reply. And Ian Holloway would be a better manager for us than Moyes? ...!!!
I'm sure Holloway would have us scoring more goals though, and playing in the tactically niave fashion which saw Blackpool relegated because they could not defend.
Do you guys understand football, or just get it all from the Sun?
Spurs spent and spent and spent for years and constantly underachieved. Harry is no miracle worker, he simply is finally achieving what he should be at Spurs! When he took over they were low down in the league, but it was an artificial position (as Arsenal were for instance after the first 4/5 games of this season).
If Moyes had Levy as a chairman, we would have breached the top four again and won a cup. Moyes is not a genius, nor is he as terrible as some make out, but he is an effective defensive manager under whom we played good funding when we could compete financially. He makes annoying decisions and he makes good ones, and he has spent as well as most managers in this league.
For those who think Capello would come to us...I don?t think it needs a reply. And Ian Holloway would be a better manager for us than Moyes? ...!!!
I'm sure Holloway would have us scoring more goals though, and playing in the tactically niave fashion which saw Blackpool relegated because they could not defend.
Paul Foster...... I agree, this is what people are ignoring. The simple facts! Moyes has had scraps to work with compared to the managers of nearly every other club. Spurs have spent absolute fortunes in comparison. As I asked previously.... how many times has Harry finished above Moyes? As far as "his style wouldn't be inkeeping with Spurs' traditions".... that's equally misinformed rhetoric. Spurs have only won only 2 league titles in their entire history and have spent over 20 seasons in lower leagues. In what way should that elevate their expectations above those of Evertonians?
The over-riding main issue remains the total mismanagement of the club... rendered also-rans by years of impotence and incompetence by this board. The greatest manager ever would struggle to do anything remarkable with the funds Moyes has had. Yes, the footy's been mainly crap for the past 2 seasons.... but what did anyone really expect?
The over-riding main issue remains the total mismanagement of the club... rendered also-rans by years of impotence and incompetence by this board. The greatest manager ever would struggle to do anything remarkable with the funds Moyes has had. Yes, the footy's been mainly crap for the past 2 seasons.... but what did anyone really expect?
Mourinho for Spurs,so no threat of us losing The Moyestro!
My prediction is that if Moyes leaves for Spurs, within 12 months Everton will have reverted to the team that we were between 1993 - 2002 (i.e. one that doesn't know until May whether we will be staying up or not, most seasons). Just a prediction.
Agreed Mark.
I think it would be useful for some of the fans who complain so much on here, to take a step back and look objectively at the squad we have now. Compare that squad to ours of three seasons ago, and the reason for our decline is obvious.
I think it would be useful for some of the fans who complain so much on here, to take a step back and look objectively at the squad we have now. Compare that squad to ours of three seasons ago, and the reason for our decline is obvious.
Not a hope in hell of Moyes getting the England job, its full of tarts with bigger egos and more importantly bigger backing than any manager past or present or future. Its also a poison chalice, the England squad is never going to win a thing and spend each tournament with another bunch of excuses instead of acknowledging its failings and fixing them.
Moyes can't deal with ego's or anyone that would argue against his dour presbyterian ways so its like oil and water - never going to mix.
As far as the Spurs job goes again not a hope not a case of BK will try to fight to keep him, he'll never be offered the role, too big a side with regular European appearances in mind and I don't mean the Thursday night cup. Most of the arguments I've read upon here do need responses about giving him a chance with money but when he's spent money he's stuck rigidly to his one trick gameplan and when he's had no money and his players aren't the right type to match the roles they are needed in he hasn't changed tack and its been car crash in slow motion to watch.
Moyes' value and appeal is dropping, mid table teams might be interested but the challengers wont be.
Moyes can't deal with ego's or anyone that would argue against his dour presbyterian ways so its like oil and water - never going to mix.
As far as the Spurs job goes again not a hope not a case of BK will try to fight to keep him, he'll never be offered the role, too big a side with regular European appearances in mind and I don't mean the Thursday night cup. Most of the arguments I've read upon here do need responses about giving him a chance with money but when he's spent money he's stuck rigidly to his one trick gameplan and when he's had no money and his players aren't the right type to match the roles they are needed in he hasn't changed tack and its been car crash in slow motion to watch.
Moyes' value and appeal is dropping, mid table teams might be interested but the challengers wont be.
James Martin 543, yes ok Nil Satis Nisi Optimum was on the wane around Moyes' arrival...let's just say with his tactics he accelarated the process, and has well and truly put the nails into the coffin.
No way would Spurs stoop as low as Moyes. They are Champions League quality side now with attacking quality. Moyes is not good enough, simple as. He has embarrassed himself on the European stage more often than not. I wouldn't rule out Capello to Spurs. Or someone of that stature.
Stephen - I hope Moyes was trying to save LB the Great (our lad at LB of course) from the Curse of England. In any case our Leighton is much better now in all departments, than he was , and possibly the other bloke.
Moyes does bring stability, and actually has brought in some very good players - not all of whom we have kept.. The problem is that he is so 'steady' that he rarely knows what to do with the potential he has in his hands.
Louise (582) is nicely dismissive about his coaching staff, which seems to bring bugger all to the table. As seems to be the case at the FA. He would fit in very well.
Moyes does bring stability, and actually has brought in some very good players - not all of whom we have kept.. The problem is that he is so 'steady' that he rarely knows what to do with the potential he has in his hands.
Louise (582) is nicely dismissive about his coaching staff, which seems to bring bugger all to the table. As seems to be the case at the FA. He would fit in very well.
Keith, I favour an attacking Bias so I'd go for Baines. Hard to disagree with those who say Cole is the better defender though.
The England manager is always going to get criticism for not winning trophies. Those dishing the criticism out rarely bother to acknowledge than not once since 1966 have England had the best group of players to do so.
Only Euro 96 could it be argued we had a squad to win. Even then there were better groups of players there.
It's akin to criticising Moyes for not winning the league.
The England manager is always going to get criticism for not winning trophies. Those dishing the criticism out rarely bother to acknowledge than not once since 1966 have England had the best group of players to do so.
Only Euro 96 could it be argued we had a squad to win. Even then there were better groups of players there.
It's akin to criticising Moyes for not winning the league.
I have not got a car but I do have a old chopper bike and, if Moyes did get the nod from Spurs, I would give him a backie all the way down there and I would not stop once in case he changed his mind. I might end up with thighs like Bob Latchford but never mind ? I'd be glad I'd done my bit for the club...
ps... Take Neville as well!
ps... Take Neville as well!
To be honest, I doubt Mourinho would go to Spurs, too small of a club for him.
Hiddink might be a shout, but Moyes is too. Would be interesting to see how he does.
Lambert would be my choice if Moyes left. Knows how to work in a budget and plays good football.
Hiddink might be a shout, but Moyes is too. Would be interesting to see how he does.
Lambert would be my choice if Moyes left. Knows how to work in a budget and plays good football.
I see a few "Moyes can't do wrong" squad have escaped and found a keyboard. Trying to use scraps of a few stats to prove how lucky we are to have him. But yet again never answering the obvious question being that if Moyes is as good as they insanely think he is, why has no big club come in for him ? Really think about it, if he's so so so good why is he still at Everton ?
Tommy,Moyes MAY not be the best manager in our history but he is certainly the best we`ve had in modern (Premier ) times.
Before he arrived,our average finishing position was 14th whilst HIS average is a shade below 8th.
Given that he`s spent less than £10M a season net,he`s worked miracles to keep us where we are.
Only his continued employment here can guarantee that when the longed-for purchaser is found we shall still be in the top strata.
Before he arrived,our average finishing position was 14th whilst HIS average is a shade below 8th.
Given that he`s spent less than £10M a season net,he`s worked miracles to keep us where we are.
Only his continued employment here can guarantee that when the longed-for purchaser is found we shall still be in the top strata.
^^ what Tommy said. Any takers? Moyes has been with us 10 years + and lots of top jobs have come and gone. Plenty of opportunity for a club with more cash to go for "world class" Moyes.
I bet Pep Guardiola is barely able to sleep at night with Moyes yet to be tied down to a long term deal.
I bet Pep Guardiola is barely able to sleep at night with Moyes yet to be tied down to a long term deal.
Never happen in a million years. As long as I've followed football, Tottenham have been known for adventurous, attacking football.
So Richard, if you've been given dog turd sandwiches to eat all your life you'd count yourself lucky if you found a sprout in the gutter ?
Ask yourself the ultimate question, if Moyes is as good as you say he is, why have no big clubs come in for him ?
Ask yourself the ultimate question, if Moyes is as good as you say he is, why have no big clubs come in for him ?
Haha, miracles. I have seen bigger miracles, like Norwich and Paul Lmbert. He took them 2 divisions up and has never looked back. Why dont you give him the applause he deserves, not David Moyes, who could not get Preston promoted even though he tried several times.,
And then he took over one of the biggest clubs in the premiership and he has been here 10 years and he has still won NOTHING, NOT A THING.
And then he took over one of the biggest clubs in the premiership and he has been here 10 years and he has still won NOTHING, NOT A THING.
It is tougher to argue what has Moyes actually won, then he and many with him have done so well with so little
But the fact remains Moyes is not a winner, he is the perfect LOOSER, never cries about losing to Bolton or drawing against Wigan, when in truth.he should have won those types of games.
Moyes just is not a winner, that is why we must let him walk if anybody else wants him.
But the fact remains Moyes is not a winner, he is the perfect LOOSER, never cries about losing to Bolton or drawing against Wigan, when in truth.he should have won those types of games.
Moyes just is not a winner, that is why we must let him walk if anybody else wants him.
Tommy, you assume no big clubs have approached Everton, you do not know.
And as for what constitutes a big club...oh Fuck it, I can't be arsed.
I like sprouts though.
And as for what constitutes a big club...oh Fuck it, I can't be arsed.
I like sprouts though.
#617. I assume what you mean by big clubs you mean EPL clubs, that have achieved greater recent success than Everton. Well I guess you could scratch Man United and Arsenal from this list as they haven't recently changed manager. Chelsea seem to prefer superstar managerial appointments. Liverpool? .... I don't think so. Man city? Really?
Perhaps the other clubs such as Aston Vila and Newcastle have represented a sideways step. It's not impossible that clubs have enquired and been rebuked.
I don't think Moyes is perfect, but I struggle to see a better, reliable replacement.
Perhaps the other clubs such as Aston Vila and Newcastle have represented a sideways step. It's not impossible that clubs have enquired and been rebuked.
I don't think Moyes is perfect, but I struggle to see a better, reliable replacement.
Mourinho is surely waiting for the Man United job which can't be too many years away.Interesting that Harry is such a popular choice when at 64 years old his track record really isn't that great.And now we know why he has always been very active in the transfer market( lots of %bonuses to him), something that he will miss in the England job.
A younger manager for both England and Everton would be beneficial in the long term. Lambert for us would be great- he has transformed Norwich in 2 years.He is an adventurous version of DM.
Wenger for England?
A younger manager for both England and Everton would be beneficial in the long term. Lambert for us would be great- he has transformed Norwich in 2 years.He is an adventurous version of DM.
Wenger for England?
Yeah Tommy, how are you sure no one has approached Moyes? And I've had me dinner so I'm full of energy and will take up Simon's point. What constitutes a big club?
We can rule out Utd and Arsenal for obvious reasons, and Liverpool. Leaving only say Chelsea. So because Chelsea (so we may believe) never made a move for Moyes he is just a born looser right? A looser who has never won anything as so often wrongly assumed by those who want him out. And there were no other clubs you would put above Everton at the time of their last appointments so why would Moyes leave? Obviously City went for Hughes (HAH!) and then went as the richest team in the world would do, for the hottest property in management in Mancini. Anything else, go play make believe with Jimmy who apparently believes Moyes never got them promoted... which he did... as champions... which would imply he has won something... right?
We can rule out Utd and Arsenal for obvious reasons, and Liverpool. Leaving only say Chelsea. So because Chelsea (so we may believe) never made a move for Moyes he is just a born looser right? A looser who has never won anything as so often wrongly assumed by those who want him out. And there were no other clubs you would put above Everton at the time of their last appointments so why would Moyes leave? Obviously City went for Hughes (HAH!) and then went as the richest team in the world would do, for the hottest property in management in Mancini. Anything else, go play make believe with Jimmy who apparently believes Moyes never got them promoted... which he did... as champions... which would imply he has won something... right?
According to talkSh***e, Spurs are a "Bigger Club" than Everton, and their talking heads don't reckon DM is capable of making the "step up". Spurs fans are almost as delusional as Newcastle fans, with a whole ream of callers suggesting anything less than Mourhino wouldn't cut it now they are "regular" Champions League. Surprised me, as the Londoners I talk to all rate DM; maybe I'm being patronised.......
So fear not those who worry Moyes might leave. If he does it won't be to Spurs apparently.
So fear not those who worry Moyes might leave. If he does it won't be to Spurs apparently.
Well if you like sprouts it's understandable you like Moyes. :)
Spurs, Man City, Chelsea and of course a host of big foreign clubs have all changed managers over the last few years. None have tried to come in for Moyes.
It's a very weak argument to say that they've come in for him but we just haven't about it. That's like believing Kenwright when he says there are 3-4 interested parties that no one else knows about.
The reality is that Moyes isn't amongst the top rated managers in European football, he's not a Wenger, Redknapp, Mourinho etc, he's an O'Neil or Allardyce rated manager.
Celtic is his next stop next year.
Spurs, Man City, Chelsea and of course a host of big foreign clubs have all changed managers over the last few years. None have tried to come in for Moyes.
It's a very weak argument to say that they've come in for him but we just haven't about it. That's like believing Kenwright when he says there are 3-4 interested parties that no one else knows about.
The reality is that Moyes isn't amongst the top rated managers in European football, he's not a Wenger, Redknapp, Mourinho etc, he's an O'Neil or Allardyce rated manager.
Celtic is his next stop next year.
Seems Lambert is the current 'Di Matteo' choice for quite a few toffeewebers. I remember the last time we took a manager from Norwich. He got them in the upper echelons of the top flight and did well in Europe then came to us where we escaped relegation thanks to Hans "brown envelope" Segers on the last day of the season and then didn't win any of the first 13 games the following year
Chelsea, Man City, Spurs counting the premier league clubs who spend a lot more than us and have changed managers many, many times while Moyes has managed us. Clubs like Newcastle who have probably spent more than us fairly consistently.
Then of course there are another load of clubs abroad who regularly spend more than us and are in european competition.
Finally, national jobs.
We know Moyes hasn't accepted a role elsewhere. There is no evidence that he has been offered a role elsewhere and I'm sure if a richer club did approach us, it would be all over the papers.
Anyway, keep telling yourself that he'll be Alex Fergusons successor!
Then of course there are another load of clubs abroad who regularly spend more than us and are in european competition.
Finally, national jobs.
We know Moyes hasn't accepted a role elsewhere. There is no evidence that he has been offered a role elsewhere and I'm sure if a richer club did approach us, it would be all over the papers.
Anyway, keep telling yourself that he'll be Alex Fergusons successor!
Why do people keep writing looser, David Moyes maybe a loser but looser what exactly is he more loose than?
james (532), Moto should be changed to secundo optimum erit facere
I think an interesting question would be who would come to us if Moyes did leave?
Whoever it is will be faced with zero transfer kitty, a need to sell top players annually with most of the fee's put to the bank and the sky high expectations of most of the people on here who see us somehow challenging the top 4 or 5.
Would Lambert or Rodgers leave their highly successfull projects at their current clubs? Probably not.
More likely we'd be looking at championship managers and the likes of Holloway and Hughton maybe. Could go well. Could go very badly.
I'm not arguing therefore that Moyes should stay but i don't think we will find attracting a surefire topclass coach quite as easy as lots on here think.
Whoever it is will be faced with zero transfer kitty, a need to sell top players annually with most of the fee's put to the bank and the sky high expectations of most of the people on here who see us somehow challenging the top 4 or 5.
Would Lambert or Rodgers leave their highly successfull projects at their current clubs? Probably not.
More likely we'd be looking at championship managers and the likes of Holloway and Hughton maybe. Could go well. Could go very badly.
I'm not arguing therefore that Moyes should stay but i don't think we will find attracting a surefire topclass coach quite as easy as lots on here think.
Chris 627, but Mike Walker wasn't from Glasgow as you now must be to be a PL manager, unless you are Italian,Spanish or French. And Lightening does not strike twice.
I don't care who get the Spurs job in the event Harry goes. What I care about is the abject tactics used against inferior opposition time and time again from a manager who doesn't seem capable of playing his best 11 and any expansive style.
We need a change of manager for Everton's sake.
We need a change of manager for Everton's sake.
Jimmy Sorheim, you never fail to get it wrong!!
Moyes did get Preston promoted. From division 2. When he took over they were close to relegation. He saved them, then promoted them (winning the title) and then nearly got straight into the premiership when they got into the playoffs, after that we took him.
Moyes did get Preston promoted. From division 2. When he took over they were close to relegation. He saved them, then promoted them (winning the title) and then nearly got straight into the premiership when they got into the playoffs, after that we took him.
Spurs have money, they will have more with the compensation from England for Harry. They will scour the World for a new manager and then decide to take Moyes... lol ? A manager that has won nothing in Ten Years at Goodison, a manager that has had more failed forwards than any other.
Why would Spurs want Moyes? They have ignored him 5 times in the last ten years and they will do it again.
To all the Moyes fans out there ? stop trying to promote Moyes to some kind of managerial genius. He hasn't beaten Arsenal, L'pool. Man United or Chelsea on their own ground in the League in the last ten years. I am sure Spurs would love him.
Why would Spurs want Moyes? They have ignored him 5 times in the last ten years and they will do it again.
To all the Moyes fans out there ? stop trying to promote Moyes to some kind of managerial genius. He hasn't beaten Arsenal, L'pool. Man United or Chelsea on their own ground in the League in the last ten years. I am sure Spurs would love him.
All Evertonians want to see more attractive, more attacking football. Bill Kenwright is an Evertonian and effectively David Moyes's line manager. Why doesn't Bill explain our wishes to his member of staff?
Tommy, if you think Allardyce is the same level as O'Neil then I'll look forward to your further insights of fun!
Bit of a poor argument you put forward as well. You don't have proof yet state it as fact. You can't speak in absolute terms on the basis of a lack of evidence. We don't have proof yet propose the possibility.
As for European teams, again, proof? But tell us what top line UK managers are in the big leagues abroad. Steve fucking McClaren?
British managers don't travel, much like the players.
Bit of a poor argument you put forward as well. You don't have proof yet state it as fact. You can't speak in absolute terms on the basis of a lack of evidence. We don't have proof yet propose the possibility.
As for European teams, again, proof? But tell us what top line UK managers are in the big leagues abroad. Steve fucking McClaren?
British managers don't travel, much like the players.
Benitez has won more than Moyes can ever dream of. He would be a more attractive bet if the Spurs job is up for grabs. Then there is Mourinho and now Capello potentially as well. I would also suggest the likes of Hiddink as well. Men with a multitude of top titles between them. Moyes has won a sum total of nothing.
My opinion is Moyes has a reputation as a shoestring budget manager and that is why he is not coveted by the top clubs. He is also an autocrat, which is fine when you are Ferguson and can back it up with over 30 years of success. Moyes would have to manage top players like Adebayor and Van der Vart who have egos. I'd like to see him ship them out on loan to Turkey if they upset him.
/>Moyes is in the biggest job he will ever have at Everton.
My opinion is Moyes has a reputation as a shoestring budget manager and that is why he is not coveted by the top clubs. He is also an autocrat, which is fine when you are Ferguson and can back it up with over 30 years of success. Moyes would have to manage top players like Adebayor and Van der Vart who have egos. I'd like to see him ship them out on loan to Turkey if they upset him.
/>Moyes is in the biggest job he will ever have at Everton.
Benitez had Liverpool relegated out of the top four and may we long praise his achievements!
"Moyes is in the biggest job he will ever have at Everton. "
Here here, there aint no bigger job. COYB
Here here, there aint no bigger job. COYB
Or "hear, hear", for those without predictive text...
Nick, Benitez won the Champions League whilst we where reaching our zenith of 4th place. As much as it hurts to say, Benitez has pedigree and at the top level.
Of course until Moyes leaves us, we will never know what he is capable of as he will always have the excuse of lack of funds. I agree with Tommy Coleman though. Despite his LMA awards and the 'punching above the weight' plaudits, the so called bigger jobs have passed him by.
Of course until Moyes leaves us, we will never know what he is capable of as he will always have the excuse of lack of funds. I agree with Tommy Coleman though. Despite his LMA awards and the 'punching above the weight' plaudits, the so called bigger jobs have passed him by.
Callum # 629, I am not just at a loose end when you refer to Moyes as a looser I am completely lost wondering what on earth is he loose at. There's me thinking he was a loser when he apparently is a looser, er', whatever that may be.
I guess it stems from the kind of error that can see us loose and not lose against Chelsea.
I guess it stems from the kind of error that can see us loose and not lose against Chelsea.
James McPherson did the whole of 1989-2002 not occur or something? How has Moyes made it any worse than fighting relegation most seasons? Fine he hasn't re-opened the school of science or anything but to say that 'nothing but the best' was only on the wane when he arrived before he destroyed it comepletely is a little far-fetched. It had long long been dead before he walked through the door.
Benitez won the CL with Houllier's team, which he brought into 5th place that year. I'm not dismissing what he did, I'm just very happy he properly got them relegated in his final season without the spawniest CL campaign of all time to kick and scream about and get them back in.
Here's to Dalgleish bringing them closer to our level of finance.
Here's to Dalgleish bringing them closer to our level of finance.
Sam why on earth would you want rogers or lambert! God help us they would rival moyes in the dour stakes! Doesn't anybody watch anything outside the premier league and championship. There are some fantastic mangers working on shoestring budgets who would jump at the chance of the everton job
Of course, it's all hypothetical as I can't see Moyes being lured away, but if he were to leave this summer I suspect the Board may look at either Peter Reid or Dave Jones to replace him.
Nick E, do you really think these clubs have come in for him then and the whole football world and media have kept it quiet ?
Or
Is it you'd rather argue that point than admit that they haven't come in for him meaning Moyes isn't as rated as you think he is ?
I also wanted to be post 100.
Or
Is it you'd rather argue that point than admit that they haven't come in for him meaning Moyes isn't as rated as you think he is ?
I also wanted to be post 100.
James...such as?
Cannot believe some people are not even aware that Moyes got Preston promoted... (and turned them completely around).
Tommy, Wayne and others, loving this line of argument. Firstly, there seems to be a suggestion that Moyes?s defenders believe he is 'world class'. Where has that come from Wayne? Do you like to invent an argument to work against? Moyes is a good manager, who has performed some minor miracles during his time with us. We will not attract world class managers, because we are an average premiership team, who have masqueraded as a good premiership team for the last five years. Moyes is good enough for us.
I love how proud you are Tommy, of your repeated question: ?If Moyes is so good, why has no top team come in for him??
Apart from the numerous faults with such a reductive argument, let me send a question back to you ? Who keeps claiming Moyes is world class? Who claims he should be managing at the pinnacle of the European game? Because some of us support Moyes, how does that infer a belief that we think he should be managing (or could be managing) a Man Utd?
Keep inventing imaginary claims and countering them guys, makes for funny reading.
Tommy, Wayne and others, loving this line of argument. Firstly, there seems to be a suggestion that Moyes?s defenders believe he is 'world class'. Where has that come from Wayne? Do you like to invent an argument to work against? Moyes is a good manager, who has performed some minor miracles during his time with us. We will not attract world class managers, because we are an average premiership team, who have masqueraded as a good premiership team for the last five years. Moyes is good enough for us.
I love how proud you are Tommy, of your repeated question: ?If Moyes is so good, why has no top team come in for him??
Apart from the numerous faults with such a reductive argument, let me send a question back to you ? Who keeps claiming Moyes is world class? Who claims he should be managing at the pinnacle of the European game? Because some of us support Moyes, how does that infer a belief that we think he should be managing (or could be managing) a Man Utd?
Keep inventing imaginary claims and countering them guys, makes for funny reading.
I hope we never get another manager from Norwich!
Sorry but I was never endeared to Capello. His selection of Goalkeeper Green was known to be a big gaff long before the clanger against the US. Such vision by Capello lead me to believe he really didn't care about any England success just his £9 million a year.
I believe it's time to give the job to a man with a passion for England. Let Pearce have a run for now.
I believe it's time to give the job to a man with a passion for England. Let Pearce have a run for now.
I haven't argued a point Tommy, I've pointed out that you have no proof for yours.
If I have to respond, and not being 100 means I'm not so inclined, but not everything is leaked to the papers. It may pay for a story to be leaked about a proposed move for a player, but tell me why a club should leak a potential management move knowing that if they fail the person who is hired will be known as second choice.
Either way, I'm just saying you can't come to a conclusion on Moyes based on something you don't know for sure. Say they haven't come in and we know this as fact, we could list a whole number of reasons, yet you choose it to be because its because no one wants him which in turn can only mean he's a born looser or whatever theme you and Jimmy were pushing.
What's the phrase... diagnosis momentum?
If I have to respond, and not being 100 means I'm not so inclined, but not everything is leaked to the papers. It may pay for a story to be leaked about a proposed move for a player, but tell me why a club should leak a potential management move knowing that if they fail the person who is hired will be known as second choice.
Either way, I'm just saying you can't come to a conclusion on Moyes based on something you don't know for sure. Say they haven't come in and we know this as fact, we could list a whole number of reasons, yet you choose it to be because its because no one wants him which in turn can only mean he's a born looser or whatever theme you and Jimmy were pushing.
What's the phrase... diagnosis momentum?
Having watched the attacking style of football this season, Spurs fans would not accept the dour football played by a Moyes team.
Hope redknapp gets the England Job and doesnt win a carrott.
I cant stand the England FA set up and the jingoistic press that follow them.
Cant see Moyes going any further South than he already is even if he was offered the Job
I cant stand the England FA set up and the jingoistic press that follow them.
Cant see Moyes going any further South than he already is even if he was offered the Job
Tommy Coleman @566.
No, Tommy... YOU take Richard Dodd outside and kick HIM around for a couple of hours..... might knock some sense into him.
No, Tommy... YOU take Richard Dodd outside and kick HIM around for a couple of hours..... might knock some sense into him.
Personally, the options banded about scare me a lot more than the prospect of Moyes staying, even though I hate Moyes's current style.
Keep Moyes to keep the ship steady until Bill snuffs it (not wishing for that, but it's the only way he'll leave Everton) and then we can see if we can afford a 'top' manager.
Keep Moyes to keep the ship steady until Bill snuffs it (not wishing for that, but it's the only way he'll leave Everton) and then we can see if we can afford a 'top' manager.
Nick, if I told you I'd just flown to the moon would you believe it even though you couldn't prove otherwise ? No, because reality and common sense tells you otherwise.
It's inconceivable that word wouldn't get out if a big club came in for Moyes.
Jim, as much as dislike it, Spurs, Chelsea and Man Cty are now bigger than us. I have had countless arguments with Moyes' fans about how they think he is as good, if not better, than Wenger or Mourinho. Look through this mailbag, people think he will get the Spurs job, he won't because Spurs will employ a World Class manager.
Because of his style of play, Moyes isn't good enough for Everton and this will be his biggest ever job.
It's inconceivable that word wouldn't get out if a big club came in for Moyes.
Jim, as much as dislike it, Spurs, Chelsea and Man Cty are now bigger than us. I have had countless arguments with Moyes' fans about how they think he is as good, if not better, than Wenger or Mourinho. Look through this mailbag, people think he will get the Spurs job, he won't because Spurs will employ a World Class manager.
Because of his style of play, Moyes isn't good enough for Everton and this will be his biggest ever job.
Ha ha Ray, i doubt it would do any good and it would waste a good pair of steal toe-caps.
Dick #648, you do realise I was alluding to the previous comments saying Moyes is a 'looser', and poking fun that they incorrectly spelt 'loser', don't you? (See posts 620 and 624 if not.)
Moyes to Spurs.... I don't think so... they have a much smarter chairman than that. I am not sure who would actually want Moyes as him hanging around here really has put paid to managing a bigger club. Villa probably would still be interested and of course Celtic.
If he went quickly, I think BK would ask Peter Reid to step in on trial. Peter Reid is class but I can't see him moving the club forward. Bilic would be an interesting option as he seems to set his team up to go out and win matches which would be a nice change!
If he went quickly, I think BK would ask Peter Reid to step in on trial. Peter Reid is class but I can't see him moving the club forward. Bilic would be an interesting option as he seems to set his team up to go out and win matches which would be a nice change!
One thing I will say about Holloway is that he would understand how big this club is and our tradition and the expectation of the fans, and he did handle Seamus Coleman very well, probably better than Moyes...
Holloway explained: ?He has thanked me for helping him in his loan spell at Blackpool last season, but it is me who should be thanking him because I don?t think he will ever fully realise how much he helped us. I had a situation where one of my players got injured and I needed some cover. I chose Seamus at Everton and we did a loan deal. It was one of the best things I did because he came in and added a new impetus and helped us go all the way to Wembley in the play-offs and win promotion.?
The 22-year-old has impressed with the Toffees this season, reverting to right midfield rather than the right full-back slot he occupied with the Tangerines during his short spell there.
Will we ever see Coleman at Right back? I think Baines and Coleman bombing forward from full back positions would be frightening.
The 22-year-old has impressed with the Toffees this season, reverting to right midfield rather than the right full-back slot he occupied with the Tangerines during his short spell there.
Will we ever see Coleman at Right back? I think Baines and Coleman bombing forward from full back positions would be frightening.
Why would Spurs want to bring Moyes in?
They play good football.
They have moved on.
Guus Hiddink, I think, will be their new coach.
They play good football.
They have moved on.
Guus Hiddink, I think, will be their new coach.
Tommy Coleman, you've been pretty critical of Evertonians who you say won't answer the big question as to why Moyes is still with us. Aside from the fact that I think you are massively underestimating the size of the club you support, let me once again throw a few questions back to you.
1. Do you think that £200m over 10 years is significant, seeing as that is how much more Spurs have spent than Everton?
2. Do you admit that you were wrong to claim Redknapp won the FA Cup with Spurs?
3. Do you concede that Redknapp took over Spurs in an utterly false position and that, having spent £80m in the previous year, they were always going to finish in the top 6?
1. Do you think that £200m over 10 years is significant, seeing as that is how much more Spurs have spent than Everton?
2. Do you admit that you were wrong to claim Redknapp won the FA Cup with Spurs?
3. Do you concede that Redknapp took over Spurs in an utterly false position and that, having spent £80m in the previous year, they were always going to finish in the top 6?
Paul, I think he probably meant to say League Cup. Also, regarding your 3rd point, any tea, without a win in their first 8 games is not "always going to finish in the top 6", and they didn't that year.
Anthony #530, at least Saha would be sure he would be guaranteed start every game!!
Doesnt really matter what we think, If Daniel Levy likes him, he`s gone
Tommy, let it go. No one has come in for Messi which means he's about as good as Osman? We'll agree to disagree.
Of course,this is a ridiculous thread as Kenwright and Moyes are as one-in it together for better or worse.
New contract on the horizon as Bill would be left naked without his blanket!
New contract on the horizon as Bill would be left naked without his blanket!
If anyone thinks Moyes is better than Mourinho or Wenger, they need their head checking. That type of comment is in no way a barometer of what the usual Moyes supporter believes.
I think the problem that often comes across in whether Moyes is good enough for Everton or not (aside from style issues) is how good people believe Everton are.
From an objective point of view; Everton, when the figures are released, will have around the 12th highest wages in the division. With regards to net spend, we will probaly be the bottom squad. On top of that, I would look at morale effects; continued fan unrest, continued boardroom problems (with negative home form consequent to that), the depleted lack of competition caused by aging players and a lack of transfers (improved slightly by January's activity). Realistically I would suggest a 13th - 11th finish is what we should be achieving this season. If we finish above it, we have over-achieved, if we finish under it, we have under-achieved. In reality, there are few managers who could better than what Moyes will achieve with this squad, and even fewer who we could realistically afford (and would want to come). There are alot of managers who would do it in a more pleasing fashion, but the likelyhood would be, given the weighting of our squad, that increased positivity would have an adverse effect on performance. We can all debate all day on why we have a defensive squad (because of a defensive manager etc), but what cannot be debated is the fact we have lost our two best attacking midfielders, because they have done so well for us (Arteta and Pienaar, although Pienaar has returned in the interim).
Fans need to realise that we are playing so poorly, primarily because we do not have the players anymore. Those who were so good for us for so long (ie Cahill) have aged, or moved on, and we have the lacked the means to bring others in. Moyes doesn't help himself with annoying negative subs, which sometimes beggar belief, however, at the end of the day, how many fans would not take our current position of 11th at the end of the season? and how many, if we remove the blue-tinted specs, could realistically suggest that we should be achieving much more than 11th?
I think the problem that often comes across in whether Moyes is good enough for Everton or not (aside from style issues) is how good people believe Everton are.
From an objective point of view; Everton, when the figures are released, will have around the 12th highest wages in the division. With regards to net spend, we will probaly be the bottom squad. On top of that, I would look at morale effects; continued fan unrest, continued boardroom problems (with negative home form consequent to that), the depleted lack of competition caused by aging players and a lack of transfers (improved slightly by January's activity). Realistically I would suggest a 13th - 11th finish is what we should be achieving this season. If we finish above it, we have over-achieved, if we finish under it, we have under-achieved. In reality, there are few managers who could better than what Moyes will achieve with this squad, and even fewer who we could realistically afford (and would want to come). There are alot of managers who would do it in a more pleasing fashion, but the likelyhood would be, given the weighting of our squad, that increased positivity would have an adverse effect on performance. We can all debate all day on why we have a defensive squad (because of a defensive manager etc), but what cannot be debated is the fact we have lost our two best attacking midfielders, because they have done so well for us (Arteta and Pienaar, although Pienaar has returned in the interim).
Fans need to realise that we are playing so poorly, primarily because we do not have the players anymore. Those who were so good for us for so long (ie Cahill) have aged, or moved on, and we have the lacked the means to bring others in. Moyes doesn't help himself with annoying negative subs, which sometimes beggar belief, however, at the end of the day, how many fans would not take our current position of 11th at the end of the season? and how many, if we remove the blue-tinted specs, could realistically suggest that we should be achieving much more than 11th?
Considering all the people wanting an attacking manager I am curious to know why Darren Ferguson hasn't been mentioned. Peterboro are one of the most attacking teams in the country, often scoring four or more goals in a game. Admittedly they are crap defensively but that doesn't matter as long as they're entertaining.
So after 126 posts no one has mentioned the fact that Spurs have a much better squad than ours and the manager will be given money to spend.
If Moyes went there, he woundn't have to put a defender in midfield because he would have a few world class ones there already.
He would't need to flood the midfield because they would be able to hold their own and he would have two young, hungry forwards to play too.
Maybe the chairman sees the potential of Moyes with monry and a good squad?
If Moyes went there, he woundn't have to put a defender in midfield because he would have a few world class ones there already.
He would't need to flood the midfield because they would be able to hold their own and he would have two young, hungry forwards to play too.
Maybe the chairman sees the potential of Moyes with monry and a good squad?
I think Moyes would do a great job at Spurs, If he had the squad they have had over the last few seasons I actually think he might have won something which is more than Redknapp has done during his tenure at White Hart Lane.
Spurs will be going all out for Mourinho.
Why would they want Moyes? As many have said on here, Spurs favour attacking football and Moyes definitely doesn't fall into that category tactically
Why would they want Moyes? As many have said on here, Spurs favour attacking football and Moyes definitely doesn't fall into that category tactically
But would he do those things anyway, Tony? Moyes is effective at what he does - but is he a one trick pony? Maybe you're right & their Chairman can see the potential of Moyes with money & a good squad - perhaps the conclusion is there isn't much potential there.
I dont think Tottenham will move in for Moyes if Harry takes the England job, but I do think it is time for Moyes to move on. 10 years is a long time at a club these days without winning anything plus the football has become stale.
Moyes is not a bad manager... just maybe too defensive for us Evertonians. I think he would do well as Scotland's manager where he could make them harder to beat and get the best out of lesser known players.
Moyes is not a bad manager... just maybe too defensive for us Evertonians. I think he would do well as Scotland's manager where he could make them harder to beat and get the best out of lesser known players.
It was funny listening to a Spurs fan on talk sport yesterday, "David Moyes?" he said, "behave, he can barely manage Everton!"
And unfortunately I think Spurs probably are a bigger club than us now. Obviously not through trophy comparing but through their current status knocking around the elite clubs vying for the title and their supposed huge waiting list for season tickets, whereas we are languishing around mid table and fans are walking out in their thousands. Not to mention the greater media coverage and the sheer fact that the neutral fan would rather watch them than us.
We can all debate what constitutes a big club but in my opinion they are bigger than us.
Oh and Moyes out!
And unfortunately I think Spurs probably are a bigger club than us now. Obviously not through trophy comparing but through their current status knocking around the elite clubs vying for the title and their supposed huge waiting list for season tickets, whereas we are languishing around mid table and fans are walking out in their thousands. Not to mention the greater media coverage and the sheer fact that the neutral fan would rather watch them than us.
We can all debate what constitutes a big club but in my opinion they are bigger than us.
Oh and Moyes out!
We spend so much time discussing Moyes inherent caution that surely the question is, would he go?
He has mentioned how good a relationship he enjoys with his chairman. He's also mentioned how important it is for him to have absolute control.
There's no guarantee these things will be in place at Spurs. No doubt he'd had significantly less time to implement his ideas.
Perhaps his nature will see him stick rather than twist.
He has mentioned how good a relationship he enjoys with his chairman. He's also mentioned how important it is for him to have absolute control.
There's no guarantee these things will be in place at Spurs. No doubt he'd had significantly less time to implement his ideas.
Perhaps his nature will see him stick rather than twist.
Tony, Moyes didn't "have to" put Neville on for Cahill did he? He could have put on any one of a few attacking players, instead he chose to ignore the fact we were playing the worst team in the league and he threw on our worst player and moved arguably our best out of position. Ridiculous.
Listen right, if he leaves he fuckin' leaves....
Everton was around before Moyes and will be around after he leaves' which he will. Eventually.
I hope Spurs get wound up coz Redknapp is a cunt - expecting us to feel sorry for him. What a twat.... I'd of given him 10 fuckin' years, for lookin' like an owl....
Lets just beat Chelski and them Blackpool and weigh it up after that.... As long as the snow fucks off, I'll be happy.
NSNO
Everton was around before Moyes and will be around after he leaves' which he will. Eventually.
I hope Spurs get wound up coz Redknapp is a cunt - expecting us to feel sorry for him. What a twat.... I'd of given him 10 fuckin' years, for lookin' like an owl....
Lets just beat Chelski and them Blackpool and weigh it up after that.... As long as the snow fucks off, I'll be happy.
NSNO
For the pro-Moyes faction, the excuse that he moved on to greater things.
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How the Hell is that good for the pro-Moyes faction. I am mostly a supoporter of Moyes, though have been test over the past year or so. But to be a pro-Moyes Evertonian does not mean I want hi9m at spurs.
I expect there is a big chance he'll be at Spurs by May, and that not only will Pienaar go back, but Baines will become the big sale this summer.
After some great business and news the past couple if weeks, this means back to square one for me. I just hope we do not implode if he goes.
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How the Hell is that good for the pro-Moyes faction. I am mostly a supoporter of Moyes, though have been test over the past year or so. But to be a pro-Moyes Evertonian does not mean I want hi9m at spurs.
I expect there is a big chance he'll be at Spurs by May, and that not only will Pienaar go back, but Baines will become the big sale this summer.
After some great business and news the past couple if weeks, this means back to square one for me. I just hope we do not implode if he goes.
James 532, Nil satis Nisi Optimum was dismantled a long time before Moyes came
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Well said, James Martin.
God you think we'd been playiong sparkling attacking football, and had the football world cowering at our mention.
The truth was somewhat different. We were smaller than bloody Leicester 10-12 years ago. A fact oh so conveninetly forgotten by many here.
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Well said, James Martin.
God you think we'd been playiong sparkling attacking football, and had the football world cowering at our mention.
The truth was somewhat different. We were smaller than bloody Leicester 10-12 years ago. A fact oh so conveninetly forgotten by many here.
James, you're right he didn't have to put on Neville but if you turn around and look at your bench and have Moderic, Krancjar etc looking back, I imagine you would feel a little but more attacking sense than looking at a bench of loanees and has beens.
You can argue all you want and try and twist it but if you have a better squad with far superior players, you will play better football and WILL be more attacking... then again Mourihno was one of the most defensive managers with Chelsea, didn't harm him any.
You can argue all you want and try and twist it but if you have a better squad with far superior players, you will play better football and WILL be more attacking... then again Mourihno was one of the most defensive managers with Chelsea, didn't harm him any.
Does anyone really think that an ambitious attack-minded team like Spurs would want a dour negative tactically inept manager like Moyes?
If they do, I suggest close family have them sectioned with immediate effect.
If they do, I suggest close family have them sectioned with immediate effect.
Redknapp will take the England job for one reason-money and who can blame him? However I think he is also perfect for the job more so than any others out there English or otherwise.
Moyes is an enigma with his strategies and would ruin England.Would probably bring back Pip and make him captain.
Moyes is an enigma with his strategies and would ruin England.Would probably bring back Pip and make him captain.
Roberto, it's good for the pro DM's because they can rationalise away his departure and probably blame the anti DM's to boot :-)
"Moyes is an enigma with his strategies and would ruin England" ? Why's that then? Don't they play 4-5-1, a formation he is more than familiar with...
(Might actually end Gerrard's career, which can't be a bad thing.)
(Might actually end Gerrard's career, which can't be a bad thing.)
So, we would be relegated without Moyes and we will be wound up like Portsmouth if Kenwright sells?
Steve, how did you rationalise his 4th place, his two 5ths? Reaching the cup final?
Seems to me that Moyes may well blame others for losses, but doubters blame others for his successes.
Go on, get a caramel square!
Seems to me that Moyes may well blame others for losses, but doubters blame others for his successes.
Go on, get a caramel square!
Tony, I agree Spurs have a greater depth of talent to choose from; however, this doesn't mean Moyes would suddenly change his philosophy. Take a look at Alex McLeish: similar defensive style of football at Birmingham and then continues with it at Villa despite having greater attacking options in Bent, Agnonlahor, N'Zogbia, Albrighton and Ireland.
Moyes and McLeish are the kind to stick with 'tried and tested' players and formations. I would say Villa fans are as unhappy as we are with their brand of football!
Moyes and McLeish are the kind to stick with 'tried and tested' players and formations. I would say Villa fans are as unhappy as we are with their brand of football!
James,
Villa attendances are well down this season as are ours.
Both area's have suffered unduly compared to the rest of the country under the Tory cuts and both have doubts about their chairman.
I think there are a load of similarities between the two clubs and managers.
I don't think once people stop going they ever pick back up properly. It'd be a sad day to see Goodison <20-25,000 for a big game.
Villa attendances are well down this season as are ours.
Both area's have suffered unduly compared to the rest of the country under the Tory cuts and both have doubts about their chairman.
I think there are a load of similarities between the two clubs and managers.
I don't think once people stop going they ever pick back up properly. It'd be a sad day to see Goodison <20-25,000 for a big game.
Stephen, you're being naive if you believe Villa fans' main gripe is with their chairman. Yes, many are unhappy with the fact that McLeish came from their main rivals and that Lerner hasn't splashed the cash lately, but from what I hear from phone-ins and read in the media etc, it would seem that they are simply unhappy with the dour football produced.
The whole country is suffering from the cuts and while I concede both cities have been hit hard, I believe both sets of fans are largely turned off by the dismal football on show every other week.
The whole country is suffering from the cuts and while I concede both cities have been hit hard, I believe both sets of fans are largely turned off by the dismal football on show every other week.
James,
I agree. The point I was making (badly) was that throw all them things in the melting pot and you get a big drop in numbers and revenue as discounted tickets become the norm, season ticketers pick and choose etc.
I no longer feel Moyes is the right man to take us forward. Based on league finishes it would be hard for the board to say the same thing.
But when we eventually see the consequence of the managers style (and other factors) on the bottom line I wonder if it will change thier minds?
No doubt many are tiring of his style, even on Kipper, and nothing brings Bill to action quicker than lost revenues as that puts his position under threat.
Would he do it?
I agree. The point I was making (badly) was that throw all them things in the melting pot and you get a big drop in numbers and revenue as discounted tickets become the norm, season ticketers pick and choose etc.
I no longer feel Moyes is the right man to take us forward. Based on league finishes it would be hard for the board to say the same thing.
But when we eventually see the consequence of the managers style (and other factors) on the bottom line I wonder if it will change thier minds?
No doubt many are tiring of his style, even on Kipper, and nothing brings Bill to action quicker than lost revenues as that puts his position under threat.
Would he do it?
Jim(660), the "world class" comment is not my invention. It was actually coined by one of Moyes peers, maybe Alan Pardew, just before his Newcastle team beat us.
Its the same tripe we often hear from managers(and a number of pundits) about what a fantastic job he's doing. Thing is, when did you ever hear a manager come out and say that another manager is shite? Doesn't happen(often) because they all know what goes around, comes around. This sort of comment is often used as a means of vindication by those of us who rate Moyes.
Personally, I find who clubs actively look to employ to be a more useful metric of what they believe rather than who they publicly praise.
Pardews comment also served a second purpose; to cover his own arse. If Newcastle gets beat, well that's because Moyes is a great manager. If Newcastle beat us then it emphasises what a great manager Pardew must be to cope with the unpredictable tactical mastermind that is David Moyes and his flair filled side.
Its the same tripe we often hear from managers(and a number of pundits) about what a fantastic job he's doing. Thing is, when did you ever hear a manager come out and say that another manager is shite? Doesn't happen(often) because they all know what goes around, comes around. This sort of comment is often used as a means of vindication by those of us who rate Moyes.
Personally, I find who clubs actively look to employ to be a more useful metric of what they believe rather than who they publicly praise.
Pardews comment also served a second purpose; to cover his own arse. If Newcastle gets beat, well that's because Moyes is a great manager. If Newcastle beat us then it emphasises what a great manager Pardew must be to cope with the unpredictable tactical mastermind that is David Moyes and his flair filled side.
If Moyes is as good as he thinks he is, or at least as good as his dwindling fanbase & media friends / apologists tell us...then why go to Spurs ?
Suerly he'll be applying for the England job !
Suerly he'll be applying for the England job !
I can't see Spurs fans wanting to start every game with at least 6 defenders, besides will Van Der Vart track back?
A number of comments refer to the question as to why no clubs have come in to sign Moyes when they have been in need of a new manager and drawn the conclusion that this proves that Moyes is not a good manager etc. Perhaps the reasons could be that Mr Moyes is extremely well paid at Everton; Mr Kenwright seems to have total respect and confidence in him; David Moyes has never given the slightest hint that he wishes to leave Everton and seems commited to fulfilling the terms of a contract freely entered into with his employers and has never given any public evidence that he is anything other than a man of some personal integrity in an industry that is so lacking in any ethical principles - from top to bottom - that it in fact makes him something of a rareity. Funny really that Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Milan, Liverpool, Ajax, Bayern Munich, Benfica, etc never came in for Alex Ferguson - would there not in fact be lots of reasons why they would have thought it was a non-starter?
Mr R Dodd, you are "Classic" you really are.
Anthony (828) - "Perhaps the reasons could be that Mr Moyes is extremely well paid at Everton", thats one of the many problems.
We are paying well over the Odds for a manager who hasn't the foggiest idea how to use Subs, or how to play to win. Forget Wigan last week, last season playing bottom of the table West Ham, with no strikers in the starting 11. Maybe thats why no other team has ever made a move for him.
We are paying well over the Odds for a manager who hasn't the foggiest idea how to use Subs, or how to play to win. Forget Wigan last week, last season playing bottom of the table West Ham, with no strikers in the starting 11. Maybe thats why no other team has ever made a move for him.
Moyes will go to Celtic. Lennon will get offered annother year there and when Moyes contract expires here be off there.
that's my prediction!
that's my prediction!
Anthony - Nick E used the same analogy with Messi and Barcelona. But can you spot the difference between Man Utd, Barcelona and Everton ?
For the record, I think Man Cty inquired about Messi and Fergie was considered for the England post.
For the record, I think Man Cty inquired about Messi and Fergie was considered for the England post.
Our next manager ( If Moyes ever leaves )is already probalby being groomed, Phil Neville.
I think I can give you a copper-bottomed, brick-lined lead pipe guarantee that Spurs will not be offering David Moyes the job of manager. They're not deaf dumb and blind down there and they were already burned by the Great Santini and Jol. They're not going to hire Moyes. They're more likely to offer it to Joe Jordan or Jurgen Klinsmann. And believe me, I hope I'm wrong!
'David Moyes, who could not get Preston promoted even though he tried several times.'
Jimmy, my understanding is that David Moyes took over PNE in 1998 whilst they were near the bottom of league one. Then, they lost in the playoffs in 1999, but then won the league in 2000, winning promotion to the championship. Then in his first season with a newly promoted team in the championship he reached (but lost) the play off final in 2001. Then, he left PNE in March of the following season to join Everton.
With that in mind, one of us is definitely wrong. Just to clarify, to the best of my knowledge David Moyes had only one full season in the championship with PNE. Therefore he couldn't have have had several attempts at getting them promoted could he? If I am wrong I bow down to your superior football knowledge and accept that I am talking bollocks. But could you just clarify the details, so that I know for the future. Cheers.
Jimmy, my understanding is that David Moyes took over PNE in 1998 whilst they were near the bottom of league one. Then, they lost in the playoffs in 1999, but then won the league in 2000, winning promotion to the championship. Then in his first season with a newly promoted team in the championship he reached (but lost) the play off final in 2001. Then, he left PNE in March of the following season to join Everton.
With that in mind, one of us is definitely wrong. Just to clarify, to the best of my knowledge David Moyes had only one full season in the championship with PNE. Therefore he couldn't have have had several attempts at getting them promoted could he? If I am wrong I bow down to your superior football knowledge and accept that I am talking bollocks. But could you just clarify the details, so that I know for the future. Cheers.
I would not bank on HR for the England job.
The reason I say this is because the FA are desperate that this time they appoint a genuine clean skin not just for the managers job but also for team captain. Those are supposedly the most prestigious positions in English football.
One can hardly say that recent incumbents have proved worthy of the posts. Some of them have been downright embarrassments.
Recent holders of those positions have brought with them embarrassing baggage if not disgrace of one sort or another.
Loose women, Bungs, Drug test dodging, GBH, other players WAGs Psychics, the list seems endlesss.
Not many candidates offer the immaculate kind of image fulfill all criteria. In the end we will probably end up with the best of a sordid bunch.
My money will be on Harry and Stevie GBH.
The reason I say this is because the FA are desperate that this time they appoint a genuine clean skin not just for the managers job but also for team captain. Those are supposedly the most prestigious positions in English football.
One can hardly say that recent incumbents have proved worthy of the posts. Some of them have been downright embarrassments.
Recent holders of those positions have brought with them embarrassing baggage if not disgrace of one sort or another.
Loose women, Bungs, Drug test dodging, GBH, other players WAGs Psychics, the list seems endlesss.
Not many candidates offer the immaculate kind of image fulfill all criteria. In the end we will probably end up with the best of a sordid bunch.
My money will be on Harry and Stevie GBH.
Jimmy, I've just checked the FA records which also indicate that PNE won league one in 2000 and got to the championship play off in 2001. Moyes definitely came to Everton in March 2002, so if you are right you might need to let them know, so they can amend their records.
There comes a time when every player and manager should leave a club, it's a natural end. Moyes came in and did a job for which we thank him but he has also been well rewarded for his efforts and our situation has moved on; we need a different vision than the one he brings.
People are voting with their feet and the club cannot let that continue. Moyes may well be gone sooner than later as Kenwright will look to curry favor and appease the banks by letting him go... The sooner the better.
People are voting with their feet and the club cannot let that continue. Moyes may well be gone sooner than later as Kenwright will look to curry favor and appease the banks by letting him go... The sooner the better.
A little erroneous of you there Christine. If you've got 4,000 voting with their feet, you've still got 32,000 voting with their asses.
3999
I've moved to a different part of the country.
I've moved to a different part of the country.
Nick, yes and those 4000 tickets would be worth £100,000 per game max to the club. Not exactly a fortune in the premier league realms of funding, so not really as big a loss as some would elude to.
Nick 859 ? present company excepted(?) Also talking out of them as well ( well if you leave yourself wide open what do you expect ).
If The FA want Mr Clean(s) for Manager and Captain, Moyes and Baines are the men.
Anyway, I am over England, my England team is the England of Kenneth Wolstenholme. This England isn't me, Sportswise or Socially etc, Cue the old arses' lament.
If The FA want Mr Clean(s) for Manager and Captain, Moyes and Baines are the men.
Anyway, I am over England, my England team is the England of Kenneth Wolstenholme. This England isn't me, Sportswise or Socially etc, Cue the old arses' lament.
Derek the last time I cared for England it was losing to Sweden in Euro 92 which would have made me 14. I'm 34 now. Venebles was the start to this shite state of affairs England now find themselves in.
Have scannned this thread....to tired to read it all.
Fair bit of talk of Spurs going for Mourinho and Moyes dourness.
Spurs should try for Mourinho. He exists for the here and now and would be perfect for a squad of players approaching their peak. He also brings instant respect. All the ego's ran riot at Chelsea after he went. He could handle them and keep them in check.
But, in terms of ethos I would say Mourinho actually has more in common with Moyes than Happy Harry. Mourinho values the team above everything else. Team shape and individual discipline above everything else. The football in the last couple of seasons at Chelsea was, functional. He is also an iron rod disciplinarian. The Inter Milan performances against Barca were the best defensive performances ive ever seen.
There ARE the 2 elements to coaching, that make up the whole. I thought Spurs were brilliant defensively at Anfield the other night. Scott Parker and the 2 centre halves were awsome. They are also regularly brillliant to watch, play great stuff.
This isnt supposed to be a direct comparison with Moyes, more an observation on the way Mourinho manages. If he took over at Spurs they wouldnt play the same way, at all. The football would be nowhere near as free and open as it is now.
Fair bit of talk of Spurs going for Mourinho and Moyes dourness.
Spurs should try for Mourinho. He exists for the here and now and would be perfect for a squad of players approaching their peak. He also brings instant respect. All the ego's ran riot at Chelsea after he went. He could handle them and keep them in check.
But, in terms of ethos I would say Mourinho actually has more in common with Moyes than Happy Harry. Mourinho values the team above everything else. Team shape and individual discipline above everything else. The football in the last couple of seasons at Chelsea was, functional. He is also an iron rod disciplinarian. The Inter Milan performances against Barca were the best defensive performances ive ever seen.
There ARE the 2 elements to coaching, that make up the whole. I thought Spurs were brilliant defensively at Anfield the other night. Scott Parker and the 2 centre halves were awsome. They are also regularly brillliant to watch, play great stuff.
This isnt supposed to be a direct comparison with Moyes, more an observation on the way Mourinho manages. If he took over at Spurs they wouldnt play the same way, at all. The football would be nowhere near as free and open as it is now.
So Moyes left a club he was contracted to in March, the season after losing a play-off at a chance of Premier League football, but because he's stayed at Everton for 10 years after holding the club to ransom for his new contract, he's a man of integrity?
Is that in response to me Roman?
If it is, it's misdirected, and please read on. If it wasn't the next paragraph is largely irrelevant. I haven't said anything about Moyes' integrity or lack thereof. But Jimmy told us all that Moyes failed to get PNE promoted despite 'several attempts' to do so. My understanding is that Moyes had only one full season in the championship, therefore he couldn't have several chances to get them up.
Most ironic to me, is that Jimmy was telling us to give 'credit where it is due' to Paul Lambert (a fair statement in itself) but was himself not affording Moyes the very same courtesy.
If it is, it's misdirected, and please read on. If it wasn't the next paragraph is largely irrelevant. I haven't said anything about Moyes' integrity or lack thereof. But Jimmy told us all that Moyes failed to get PNE promoted despite 'several attempts' to do so. My understanding is that Moyes had only one full season in the championship, therefore he couldn't have several chances to get them up.
Most ironic to me, is that Jimmy was telling us to give 'credit where it is due' to Paul Lambert (a fair statement in itself) but was himself not affording Moyes the very same courtesy.
Integrity eh?
Perhaps someone could explain the Tim Howard debacle.
I'm still lost on that one.
Perhaps someone could explain the Tim Howard debacle.
I'm still lost on that one.
Why are the Moyes fans on here comparing his lack of achievement to money spent, especially by Redknapp? It's not about money, just look at Rodgers at Swansea or Lambert at Norwich. Moyes has had 10 years to build the club from backroom staff to players and he has failed dismally.
When Steve Clarke ? with a proven track record in the PL ? was available, Moyes chose Round, who had just got Newcastle relegated. His whole first team and reserve team staff are ex-defenders, and all except Stubbs have never played at the top level.
Moyes is just a control freak who constantly falls out with strikers because he doesn't understand them and has no interest in listening to their views. He needs people around him who have less football knowledge than himself, as this keeps his ego intact.
And if anyone on here thinks that any club in the PL would want this loser as their boss then they've been sniffing too much Bostik.
When Steve Clarke ? with a proven track record in the PL ? was available, Moyes chose Round, who had just got Newcastle relegated. His whole first team and reserve team staff are ex-defenders, and all except Stubbs have never played at the top level.
Moyes is just a control freak who constantly falls out with strikers because he doesn't understand them and has no interest in listening to their views. He needs people around him who have less football knowledge than himself, as this keeps his ego intact.
And if anyone on here thinks that any club in the PL would want this loser as their boss then they've been sniffing too much Bostik.
Micky Davies,
Moyes had 7 years to rebuild the squad, and he got us to Europe consistently.
The last 3 years haVE been stagnation and the dismantling of the team he built due to the financial constrains imposed on him.
Through the years the Moyes critics have compared him with the Rodgers and Lamberts of Wigan, Blackpool, Bolton, Villa, Burnley, Reading, Sunderland etc... but which of these clubs have achieved Moyes's consistency of keeping Everton in the top ten, at least?
Moyes had 7 years to rebuild the squad, and he got us to Europe consistently.
The last 3 years haVE been stagnation and the dismantling of the team he built due to the financial constrains imposed on him.
Through the years the Moyes critics have compared him with the Rodgers and Lamberts of Wigan, Blackpool, Bolton, Villa, Burnley, Reading, Sunderland etc... but which of these clubs have achieved Moyes's consistency of keeping Everton in the top ten, at least?
Mark, it wasn't directed at you, mate. Someone mentioned that Moyes may not have been approached by other clubs because they "know" he's a man of integrity and has a high paying contract at Everton. I can't be arsed scrolling through to find it, but I know it wasn't you.
Nevertheless, you were right about DM and PNE. I haven't been on here claiming that Lambert would be our saviour if we had him - I do think he could do well for us though - but credit has to go to him without it going to Moyes. He got a club he promoted twice in his first two seasons. Moyes didn't achieve this.
For all of this, I do think that Redknapp will be the next England manager, and I think he is using the press to play down the chances because he is a money hungry prick. The more he knocks it back, the more they'll offer him, as well as the higher his odds with the bookies will go. Do not underestimate the scheming, conniving, brain that he has when it comes to money.
Nevertheless, you were right about DM and PNE. I haven't been on here claiming that Lambert would be our saviour if we had him - I do think he could do well for us though - but credit has to go to him without it going to Moyes. He got a club he promoted twice in his first two seasons. Moyes didn't achieve this.
For all of this, I do think that Redknapp will be the next England manager, and I think he is using the press to play down the chances because he is a money hungry prick. The more he knocks it back, the more they'll offer him, as well as the higher his odds with the bookies will go. Do not underestimate the scheming, conniving, brain that he has when it comes to money.
I have not read all comments on here, yet, but I am wondering if I am the only one who thinks why on earth Redknapp (or anybody in his right mind ) would want to manage England in the first place. England are a 3rd World Country in terms of national football. The FA is an utter joke and the media so destructive towards the team it almost borders on treason. Redknapp, Mourinho, Hiddink or whoever can only get so much out of a very average national team. If Redknapp has any sense, he will not be lured into being England Manager...
NIck, the average gates for last season was 36000, the last 5 games at home are 29000. That 7000 down...
In real terms that approx average price of 35 pound x 7000 = 213,500 per game, plus what ever the average spend is at the game, say a tenner... so thats getting close to 300,000 a game. or say 20 games a season = 6m
I reckon thats significant, don't you Nick? or put it another way.. thats another good player we have to sell...
In real terms that approx average price of 35 pound x 7000 = 213,500 per game, plus what ever the average spend is at the game, say a tenner... so thats getting close to 300,000 a game. or say 20 games a season = 6m
I reckon thats significant, don't you Nick? or put it another way.. thats another good player we have to sell...
It`s wrong to isolate the attendances of a few games, how can you not come to the wrong conclusions ?
We have yet to play some big games at home - Spurs and Arsenal - and we have the almost guarenteed 40, 000 against Newcastle to come.
I would expect our average attendance to be arround 34,000 come closing time.
Moyes still enjoys huge support from the match goer - I think he attracts more than he repels - and I suspect if /when he goes you will see the real reason for falling gates.
People have had enough of putting their money into a club that cant bring them any top stars.
There is a school of thought that when Moyes goes all these people who have claimed they were staying away because of him will return - they wont. The steady decline in gates will continue as long as we are bringing in lone players and the people across the park - and everywhere else - are bringing in the superstars.
Oh btw "Spurs bigger than us" . .your having a laff.
They may have been managed properly and are much richer, they may also have a better team now, but lets see what happens if we meet in the semi final or final.
Just like in 95 the demand for tickets in our end will dwarf the demand for tickets for their end and those buying on the black market will be paying twice the price
These are dark times for Evertonians but lets not forget who we are ?
We have yet to play some big games at home - Spurs and Arsenal - and we have the almost guarenteed 40, 000 against Newcastle to come.
I would expect our average attendance to be arround 34,000 come closing time.
Moyes still enjoys huge support from the match goer - I think he attracts more than he repels - and I suspect if /when he goes you will see the real reason for falling gates.
People have had enough of putting their money into a club that cant bring them any top stars.
There is a school of thought that when Moyes goes all these people who have claimed they were staying away because of him will return - they wont. The steady decline in gates will continue as long as we are bringing in lone players and the people across the park - and everywhere else - are bringing in the superstars.
Oh btw "Spurs bigger than us" . .your having a laff.
They may have been managed properly and are much richer, they may also have a better team now, but lets see what happens if we meet in the semi final or final.
Just like in 95 the demand for tickets in our end will dwarf the demand for tickets for their end and those buying on the black market will be paying twice the price
These are dark times for Evertonians but lets not forget who we are ?
Well said re Spurs Dave. Think your being wildly optimistic about our average attendance though. I can see us going closer to 30,000. I hope I'm wrong.
I can never fathom why people use wages as a stick to beat managers and players with? He gets paid what his boss thinks he's worth. There's no obligation to pay him.
I can never fathom why people use wages as a stick to beat managers and players with? He gets paid what his boss thinks he's worth. There's no obligation to pay him.
Your right Dave Wilson, so rather than just isolate a few games attendance, I added up all of them this season and I was wrong, I said our average attendance was 29000, its actually, 28,931. and there have been the big clubs in that mix too, the derby, Man U, Man City.. etc..
The facts speak for themselves. There is no way we will get up to 34,000 .. we will be VERY lucky to get to 30k
Stay away supporters? The entertainment value has been very poor, the tactics negative and the frustration high. Everton fans like to be entertained, always have. They ALWAYS have show dissatisfaction by staying away. Its how they show it. With their feet.
I agree that one of the reasons is the lack of quality brought in because of no purchases, doesn't have to be superstars, just buying a few quality players would be good. But thats not going to happen anyday soon.
If Moyes went the average gate WOULD go up, because any new manager brings the hope of change of tactics and use of the players we have. They aren't all bad, they just aren't used best..
The facts speak for themselves. There is no way we will get up to 34,000 .. we will be VERY lucky to get to 30k
Stay away supporters? The entertainment value has been very poor, the tactics negative and the frustration high. Everton fans like to be entertained, always have. They ALWAYS have show dissatisfaction by staying away. Its how they show it. With their feet.
I agree that one of the reasons is the lack of quality brought in because of no purchases, doesn't have to be superstars, just buying a few quality players would be good. But thats not going to happen anyday soon.
If Moyes went the average gate WOULD go up, because any new manager brings the hope of change of tactics and use of the players we have. They aren't all bad, they just aren't used best..
But what about all those who would stay away because their hero was no longer in charge?
.......Well,at least the Freshy would gain another customer EVERY Saturday afternoon!
.......Well,at least the Freshy would gain another customer EVERY Saturday afternoon!
I have to agree that it's more than just Moyes keeping people away and until there's wider changes I'm worried gates will be down. If there were a change of manager then perhaps a honeymoon boost might happen, but I pessimistic as to how sustained that period would be.
Personally I can't see Moyes to Spurs... imagine him and their strikers - especially after Saha had committed suicide. Had O'Neil not gone to Sunderland he'd be odds on for that job, and perhaps The Stadium of Shite would have been a better option for Moyes. I just can't see any "Big Team" taking him on without demonstrating himself with some cash... and a flamboyant team like Spurs would not want him especially with a resurgence of success with attractive football.
Moyes is a bit stuck... but as ever, we're the ones really stuck.
Personally I can't see Moyes to Spurs... imagine him and their strikers - especially after Saha had committed suicide. Had O'Neil not gone to Sunderland he'd be odds on for that job, and perhaps The Stadium of Shite would have been a better option for Moyes. I just can't see any "Big Team" taking him on without demonstrating himself with some cash... and a flamboyant team like Spurs would not want him especially with a resurgence of success with attractive football.
Moyes is a bit stuck... but as ever, we're the ones really stuck.
Oh and to caveat... I don't think of Spurs as a Big club, or in anyway better/bigger than us. And the gate falling worry, was Christine's point about lost revenue.
Christine Foster 922
So by your words the potential drop in attendances will be around the 4000 mark. But where do you get an average price of £35? It is lower than £25 in reality. Also you suggest a spend of around a tenner, but who gets that money as I thought we outsourced all matchday expences except maybe the programme sales. This would bring your exaggerated £6million a season down to around £2milliion tops, hardly enough to break the bank in these tough economic times.
I agree that what is on offer is not good value and that we neeed to maximise all revenue streams, but making wild statements like yours just doesnt wash.
So by your words the potential drop in attendances will be around the 4000 mark. But where do you get an average price of £35? It is lower than £25 in reality. Also you suggest a spend of around a tenner, but who gets that money as I thought we outsourced all matchday expences except maybe the programme sales. This would bring your exaggerated £6million a season down to around £2milliion tops, hardly enough to break the bank in these tough economic times.
I agree that what is on offer is not good value and that we neeed to maximise all revenue streams, but making wild statements like yours just doesnt wash.
Dean, No, the drop in attendance is much greater than 4000, the average gate last season was 36000, see toffeeweb stats for last season.
Current average is 28931. Thats 7000 not 4000.
The standard price lists average between 30- 37 pound, see Everton prices on their website.
Some games you pay a premium on top of this.
For some games its slightly less.
So thats 240k per game with about 23 games played at home, thats 5.5m without any matchday income from programs or golden goal or anything...
Current average is 28931. Thats 7000 not 4000.
The standard price lists average between 30- 37 pound, see Everton prices on their website.
Some games you pay a premium on top of this.
For some games its slightly less.
So thats 240k per game with about 23 games played at home, thats 5.5m without any matchday income from programs or golden goal or anything...
Christine,
The average price tou quote needs to allow for senior citizens, concessions and kids ! These probably amount to around 50% of our gate so I would imagine Deans estimate of less than £25 is more accurate than yours. Also the average gate of less than 29000 ? Are you including cup games there because by my reckoning we've only had 2 gates below 30000 in the league ?
Saying all that you are absolutely spot on with your comment re Evertonians votIng with their feet. That has always been the way and even if I disagree with your figures to date it is only a matter of time before gates are down to 25000 whilst the current negative tactics prevail. I still cannot get over that half time sub last week !! I believe that to be the most negative decision ever taken by an Everton manager and to me it summed up his beliefs...
The average price tou quote needs to allow for senior citizens, concessions and kids ! These probably amount to around 50% of our gate so I would imagine Deans estimate of less than £25 is more accurate than yours. Also the average gate of less than 29000 ? Are you including cup games there because by my reckoning we've only had 2 gates below 30000 in the league ?
Saying all that you are absolutely spot on with your comment re Evertonians votIng with their feet. That has always been the way and even if I disagree with your figures to date it is only a matter of time before gates are down to 25000 whilst the current negative tactics prevail. I still cannot get over that half time sub last week !! I believe that to be the most negative decision ever taken by an Everton manager and to me it summed up his beliefs...
Fans are voting with their feet..... this is undeniable. A sub 30k attendance against the league leaders (when they filled their allocation) indicates quite an exodus. We were averaging just under capacity only a few seasons ago. In our ridiculous financial state we cannot afford this additional loss.... not to mention the potential medium/long term effects. Stay away fans often never return.... we haven't got the luxury of an endless waiting list or massive latent support to accept this senario. We are competing with LFC for future generations of supporters in our city, their overwhelming success has seen our support age and erode in recent decades, and continued failure could result in the eventual demise of our club.
The current board have done nothing to strengthen or enhance the club's offer and support the manager, when so many other clubs have tried address these issues. Their incompetence and inaction has turned us into also-rans with no prospect of ever truly competing. Fans are sick of the lies and failure to deliver. The failures have left the manager high and dry.... and fans are now reacting to that and the obvious loss of form that has ensued. Many have predicted this outcome for long enough, only for Moyes to salvage something from every season to preserve the fan's interest. Maybe he will again, but many have seen the real issues and are now refusing to back a regime that have invested and added nothing.
The current board have done nothing to strengthen or enhance the club's offer and support the manager, when so many other clubs have tried address these issues. Their incompetence and inaction has turned us into also-rans with no prospect of ever truly competing. Fans are sick of the lies and failure to deliver. The failures have left the manager high and dry.... and fans are now reacting to that and the obvious loss of form that has ensued. Many have predicted this outcome for long enough, only for Moyes to salvage something from every season to preserve the fan's interest. Maybe he will again, but many have seen the real issues and are now refusing to back a regime that have invested and added nothing.
Christine, I know you have stated your source for these figures, however they are different to the ones you would find elsewhere on the internet.According to worldfootball.net last season we averaged 35934 and this season it is 33032. That is a difference of around 2900. As for ticket prices, I think to suggest that they would all be premium rates and not junior, senior and discounted in the main is a little optimistic.
That would bring down the losses to the same level as a few other premier league clubs who cannot blame either Davey or Bill. I may agree with you on many facts and observations but not on all your points, most of which I tend to find rather agreeable.
That would bring down the losses to the same level as a few other premier league clubs who cannot blame either Davey or Bill. I may agree with you on many facts and observations but not on all your points, most of which I tend to find rather agreeable.
Tom Hughes has hit the most worrying nail smack on the head. "We are competing with LFC for future generations of supporters in our city". You'd have to be a special kind of kid,these days, to want to support a club that to many are a much smaller outfit. Especially when kids are being bred with this attitude where they can't be seen to be second best with anything. They like to call it "peer pressure" so every parent scrapes wnough money together for their little darling to have the latest mobile phone etc....I can't see Everton at this time , anyway, catching many of the current crop of kids.
As regards loss of attendance and revenue..... you have to remember that we have already played our 3 biggest games (league-leaders, Liverpool and Man Utd). We have also had the biggest ticket-selling campaign since the "get-down to Goodison" one of the 80's..... meaning many who attended the christmas period games did so at greatly reduced prices (which also represents further losses on previous seasons). Artificially boosting the attendance, but not the revenue. Recent gates have all been around the 30k mark. The lowest in over a decade!!! Improved performance can change this, but I think the fact that season ticket sales (predating this season's woeful performances on the pitch) were substantially down, indicates a more strongly-held refusal to back this board.
I think it's a fair split between the football on the pitch and the farcical running of the club off it.
Arguably it's the most effective type of protest.
Arguably it's the most effective type of protest.
Tom Hughes #935 ? City did not fill their allocation at Goodison surprisingly. But you are spot on that our fans are voting with their feet as they always have.
But lower gates are not just due to poor performance on and off the pitch their is the huge influence of the financial depression that we are all in ? that is also a big influence.
The point about competing for the future fans of our club is also spot on and a major concern.
But lower gates are not just due to poor performance on and off the pitch their is the huge influence of the financial depression that we are all in ? that is also a big influence.
The point about competing for the future fans of our club is also spot on and a major concern.
Tom and Ray: "We are competing with LFC for future generations of supporters in our city"
This was the main concern I had about Kirkby. Couldn't understand why kids from Liverpool would choose to support a club from Kirkby, when they have Liverpool playing in their City.
This was the main concern I had about Kirkby. Couldn't understand why kids from Liverpool would choose to support a club from Kirkby, when they have Liverpool playing in their City.
Christine you are working with two different sets of figures.
The 36,000 average was for premiership games only, if you included cup games as you have with your average attendances for this season then that figure would drop too.
There is a fall in gates, but its a steady one, Many would have given the City game a miss simply because it was freezing and it was on the box.
If Davey Moyes was given a war chest of around 50 million next season, You would have to get in early to get your hands on an ST.
But if a new manger came in and was given nothing, I`m convinced attendances would continue to fall.
If you are looking for reasons, look no further than the boardroom.
My 34,000 prediction will not be far away. but you are right, a steady decline is still a decline and we should all be worried.
The 36,000 average was for premiership games only, if you included cup games as you have with your average attendances for this season then that figure would drop too.
There is a fall in gates, but its a steady one, Many would have given the City game a miss simply because it was freezing and it was on the box.
If Davey Moyes was given a war chest of around 50 million next season, You would have to get in early to get your hands on an ST.
But if a new manger came in and was given nothing, I`m convinced attendances would continue to fall.
If you are looking for reasons, look no further than the boardroom.
My 34,000 prediction will not be far away. but you are right, a steady decline is still a decline and we should all be worried.
Haven't worked the figures out but Christine's average gate figures are plain wrong - unless you include all Cup games maybe. There have only been 2 league matches under 30,000 and those only just. To say that this is all down to Moyes is ridiculous in these harsh economic times but equally the dour football that his teams play is an undoubted significant factor.
I doubt whether we'll see any improvement in figures until the end of the season, so I don't share Dave Wilson's optimism. I think today's game will be a good barometer of the gates to come between now and the end of the season, so let's see what that brings. At this point, I can't see the Newcastle game being a sell-out. Was last season's final game against Chelsea a capacity crowd?
Unfortunately with the economic climate likely to worsen and the fallout from this season's disastrous season (in terms of entertainment) yet to be reflected in non-renewed season tickets, I would hazard a guess that next season we will be looking on 30,000 as a good gate.
Financial hard times notwithstanding, don't under-estimate the general disillusionment setting in at Goodison at the moment. Most fans may not bother to demonstrate but equally some may not bother to turn up next season either.
My guess for today's gate - 32,000.
I doubt whether we'll see any improvement in figures until the end of the season, so I don't share Dave Wilson's optimism. I think today's game will be a good barometer of the gates to come between now and the end of the season, so let's see what that brings. At this point, I can't see the Newcastle game being a sell-out. Was last season's final game against Chelsea a capacity crowd?
Unfortunately with the economic climate likely to worsen and the fallout from this season's disastrous season (in terms of entertainment) yet to be reflected in non-renewed season tickets, I would hazard a guess that next season we will be looking on 30,000 as a good gate.
Financial hard times notwithstanding, don't under-estimate the general disillusionment setting in at Goodison at the moment. Most fans may not bother to demonstrate but equally some may not bother to turn up next season either.
My guess for today's gate - 32,000.
Christines figures are just about spot on for all home games including cup games.
Counting only league games the average is just under 32.5k excluding yesterday's game.
Back to topic, what about Beneathus for the Spurs job?
Counting only league games the average is just under 32.5k excluding yesterday's game.
Back to topic, what about Beneathus for the Spurs job?
^oops, make that just about 33k average.
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