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Transfers - in whose interests?
Am I the only one surprised at the news that Harry Rednapp was entitled to a percentage of the profit on the transfer of a player where the player was signed and sold 'on his watch'?
Is this a widespread practice in Premier League clubs? Is it the practice at Everton?
It has been hard enough to accept that the club have had to become a 'selling club' to survive. Can anyone reassure me that our manager has not been benefiting financially from our club's misfortune in having to sell its best players?
Gregory Kelly, Posted 09/02/2012 at 10:16:47
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I do believe Moyes gets bonuses for clean sheets though, would explain a lot.
Surely it fair that any loss on a player had its percentage taken out of the managers wages... which Harry would never agree to, so why would Milan agree to this ridiculous arrangement? Unless he was unable to afford Harry's stand payment requirements and this was the way to settle it.
He is, after all, according to the jury, a poor illiterate cast adrift in a world of money that he doesn't really understand. I recall another jury accepting the idea that Ken Dodd was 'no good with money' because he had £300,000+ in a suitcase in his attic.
Steve Guy is right that football, like much of the rest of the world, is a very 'murky place'. We suspect that our manager is more likely to fine a player than thank him for gaining an unfair advantage, and I can't conceive of Moyes taking a bung or or demanding the sort of percentage Arry did.
As Brian suggests - would you be arsed?
The payment of a percentage sell-on fee to a manager (who presumably in most cases in the person who approves a sale) is an absolute disgrace - talk about having a vested interest in the sale of a player.
This lack of financial transparency for me can only lead to shady dealings and underhand practices - it is a slippery slope.
Boom Boom!
As pointed out in today's Daily Telegraph, the £300,000 he legally received on the sale of Rio Ferdinand from West Ham to Leeds drained the club of a considerable amount of money with which to develop the next generation of players. Legally innocent maybe, but morally bankrupt nonetheless. No wonder Joe Public is increasingly disllusioned with professional football. For me, there is no way should he be the next English manager.
I may have my doubts about Moyes's position but I can't see him getting involved in such murky practices.
It is hypocritical to have Terry lose the captaincy of the England team BEFORE being deemed guilty whilst basically forcing Capello to quit for standing by Terry before his court case.
For a bunch of supposedly clever men to act so quickly without at least letting Capello know, and not inviting his input on the matter, smacks of a 'kangaroo court'...
I admire Capello for his stance and his statement in public after his resignation shows that he is indeed an honorouble person.
I would take Hodgson as his successor before Harry anytime... to pick Redkapp would be like making Del Boy a justice of the peace.
I suspect managers don`t have to fork out on players sold at a loss,though!
I would wager this is standard practice now, on SSN the leyton Orient chairman, that spiv snooker fella, said he has no problem with it.
Our 20 odd million quid "other operating costs" (I prefer "slushfund") comes to mind when the murky world of football finance gets exposed even further.
No wonder people have lost their passion for the game.
Arteta,
Gravesen,
Neill,
Johnson,
Beckford,
McFadden,
Bent...
(Okay I'm now scrapping the barrel)
If Moyes was taking a cut on transfers, he would have sold Saha to Turkey when they offered £8mil, and he probably would have sold Yakubu earlier as well.
I got this player on a free and just sold him for £4mil and I sold another one for a ridiculous £23mil and he only cost me a paltry £2.5m. Oh yeah... don't forget that kid I sold for another £20 mil. I just brought in £47mil ? surely I am entitled to a little bonus along the way because I have turned these sow's ears into silk purses.
If it's open and transparent then why shouldn't I have my nose in the trough? I know I've had this job for 10 years now but they can call me a taxi tomorrow if they so choose...
The example he gave me was of a player whose value suddenly shot up after he was picked for England and the club cashed in by selling him at an inflated rate with the manager pocketing his share.
Psst.....what`s his dog`s name?
To my mind, Redknapp is an opportunist and has a cockney barrow boys attitude to business....I do not believe for one minute that he is naive about money.
He has always moved players in and out at every club he has been and I would like to see the stats on how many players have passed through his sticky fingers in the past ten years.
I'm disgusted at the revelations and the secrecy of the behind the curtains shennanigans between managers and club owners.
The fans are just the cattle class no marks making money for greedy men without honour....Capello comes out as too honest for the present set up of Dick Turpins running the football in this country.
The 5% was written in his contract - Redknap wasnt happy so the allegation was that Mandaric paid the extra 5% as a gesture.
Im not sure how widespread it is in the Premiership but read Broken Dreams by Tom Bowyer which is a great account of corruption in British Football. Managers receiving cuts of transfer profits became prevalent after the expose of transfer bungs and the apparent clean up of British Football that followed. ITs a great read but in some ways leaves you feeling deflated of the profiteering by those involved in the game at the fans expense- but we already know that dont we.
One other manager I do know had a percentage of transfer profits in the Premier League was Ian Holloway at Blackpool by the owner Owen Oyston as the club couldnt afford anything like the wages to keep him.
There is nothing illegal about this but clearly isnt in the best interests of the sport in my opinion.
It was no secret that Moyes had fallen out with him over him turning up late to a game and generally 'not working hard enough' (he scored 10 goals on limited starts in his first season Moyes you fucking moron!) but I always thought it was reckless, from a footballing perspective, to sell him on transfer deadline day, as well as selling Yakubu, leaving us with Saha (injury prone), Anichebe (injury-prone and hardly prolific) and Stracqualursi (untried in PL) as our striking options.
But if you then consider that he MAY have received a £400k bonus on the £4million sale of Beckford to Leicester then it makes much more sense....no good to us though!
IMO most clubs will be happy to pay these types of bonuses. There's 14 clubs in the PL who are 100% focused on staying in the league and finishing between 6-17 is acceptable to them.
There are ways and means around everything and if a manager sells a player for a huge profit, the club could just pay him a 'bonus' - there would be fuck all anyone could do about it.
The game is full of cloak and daggers - always has been.
It struck me when Pienaar left that it was a strange move for Redknapp to land Pienaar, when he would surely struggle to break into the first team. Perhaps he bought him witht the sole aim of making a return on Spurs' investment. I wouldn't be too surprised if he sells Saha to Galatasaray in 6 months time.
Re: Pienaar transfer to Spurs, the generally believed view inside the game and throughout Spurs fans is that Spurs were courting considerable South African investments for 2 years or so and Pienaar's transfer was seen as a way of further attracting the club to SA investors.
South Africans are very proud and also like their own. Saracens Rugby is a perfect case in point. SA ownership, SA senior and operational management, SA team management, strong SA bias on playing staff.
SA investment into Spurs didn't happen in the end.
I bet he'd promised to take his missus to McDonalds and thought if he could get Phil Neville in then he'd make enough profit to be able to "go large".
I wouldn't trust 'Arry as far as I could throw him. I remember seeing that Panorama programme a few years back. The undercover bloke said did he fancy taking his wife to the World Cup, stay in a 5 star hotel etc. and was he interested in some player? "I've always liked him...."
Can't stand the man myself.
Nobody ever mentions when he jumped ship to Southampton do they?
As good a manager he is, he is a lying, cheating, bullying scum bag.
That's an interesting point. Li Wei Feng and Li Tie were not exactly brought to Everton to improve our football, so I guess this phenomenon is not that unusual.
If even half of the accusations against Redknapp in this thread are true, it really makes the stalinist propaganda that is propelling the 'Arry for England movement even more sinister. I would imagine The Sun has already crowned him, and the BBC appears to have reached a new low.
...and people complain that this website is one-sided.
I dont mean to make any accusations against Redknapp. Hes been found not guilty, agree or not we should / have to see him as innnocent.
My point in my first post re percentage of transfer profits probably doesnt read that well. What I mean is they started to get put into managers contracts after the clampdown on bungs as a way of getting around it.
Broken dreams is a great read for anyone who hasnt - really goes into a lot of detail. Also The Beuatiful Game by David Conn - one of the most respected investigative journalists in the game. And also but on a different football subject The Foreign Revolution by Nick Harris.
On the Redknapp for England job. Personally I think yes, but not till after the Euros. I have a curve ball. We need an immediate impotus and I think that man is...........Gary Neville. - Knows most of the players, has huge respect from all the others, has played against the majority of our opponents for club and country at the highest level recently, has analysed nearly every prem game this season so sees plenty of English and Forgeign performances. Clearly a good tactician who doesnt suffer fools.
Why not employ him for 5 months as a caretaker with someone else like Hoddle involved.
It worked for Germany under Klinsmann - World cup Final, it worked for Wales with Speed - they scored more ranking points than any other nation in his tenure. Why not?
I think the Sky studio must have the comfiest chairs in the world. Once they go in they never seem to wanna come back out. I agree though.
For me there's no reason to appoint a manager for the tournament until the end of the season, it's not like were still in the qualifying rounds.
I like Redknapp and his handling of players. I get the feeling he's one of those managers who can make them feel 10ft tall. He also deals with the media in a way that all England managers need to, but don't. He'll need all those skills to get England anywhere near the final.
For that reason theres nobody else about to do the job and the FA will undoubtedly go with public opinion.
Why?
Because the players are shite (I'll accept Rooney as an arguable exception)
Coates from the FA is now saying that Capello should have been sacked straight after the World Cup because the debacle was HIS fault! Whatever mistakes he may have made I'm bloody sure he didn't stop the players from being able to pass the ball 5 bleeding yards, restrict Barry to chasing Germans at no more than 25 yards per hour and telling Green to chuck the fucking ball in his own net. (et al)
As for Hawwy......he's just the reincarnation of Del boy. A typical East End wise guy, in it for the dosh, on the make and with a passing affection for football and, like Del boy, a seemingly lovable rogue. Being dragged to Court by HMRC almost assures a sympathetic Jury....allegedly.
If that's what the FA and the London media want, that's who they deserve. It'll all end in tears.
....then I think it is only fair that they have to pay the club back a percentage of any losses the club make on their signings. That may discourage them from buying whoppers. Like Simon Davies, James Beattie and Bily.
I for one think 'Arry should get the England job, he deserves it. He would be in good company as the whole regime, like the country it represents, is totally bent and corrupt, and if coppers take bribes off journos and editors get off with playing ignorance of serious cases of privacy invasion, then a cockney wide boy cheating the taxman is just par for the course...
If he wanted to make a killing he'd have gone to Newcastle, who at the time were the biggest basket case in the Prem. Rich pickings for players agent's and their friends.
The fact he's a cockney with a quick wit means he's typecast as up to no good. Clearly he's a bit of an arlarse when he fancies another clubs players and coming from an area similar to where most Evertonians are from he's probably done a bit of ducking and diving. So what?
If he get's a cut of a transfer fee it's because he's signed a player and developed them and made his club a profit. Probably not the best system but appears common through the league's. Barry Hearn, a club chairman, seemed more than happy with it when he was interviewed on Sky.
Some of the Faux-outrage on here is laughable.
By the way, ever looked at the number of players transferring between Portsmouth and Tottenham?
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