Season 2011-12
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Everton on TV
30 Comments: What have all the TV channels got against Everton Football Club? Why are we very rarely on TV?
I try to go to the match as often as I can but with cash being tight I cannot always get there. I am sick of watching the same top of the league sides all the time. Why are Liverpool always on? If we get to the FA Cup final we might get on ITV.
Sky have got so used to screening Man Utd that they have employed a down-and-out Manc now to give a biased view. The new layout is Sky United TV... ITV MUTV .
Philip Bickerstaff, Posted 10/02/2012 at 21:35:36
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Obsessed with the Sky 4 + 2 ? Citteh & Spurs, but it's about pleasing a national/worldwide audience and Everton aren't box office, sad but true ? but we may get more airtime if we started playing a bit more attractive.
It's like David said, we're not box office, and for Sky etc, it's all about TV ratings, and considering Sky show live games all over the world, we're not going to draw in huge TV audiences.
We get every game home and away live here or tape delay - in Chicago though!
Today's game was on Live TV in the US, so was Wigan, so was City. We are on Fox, Fox Plus or ESPN Live nine out of ten weeks over here. I cannot remember a game this season when we weren't on live in the USA.
Perhaps it's because of the shite football served up by Moyes for the majority of this season.
Philip, this has been ongoing for many a season and WON'T CHANGE anytime soon. It's the norm, as mentioned Sky have THEIR OWN top four plus one or two others, the rest will be given the odd game here and there. If you hadn't noticed before then you must have only just subscribed to Sky as this has been the norm since 92 and will ALWAYS be the norm; accept it or don't subscribe!
ps: I fully understand your rant and know where you're coming from, the sooner we get a sugar daddy to take us to the level of City, we're only ever going to receive poor coverage! Get blue "Boys Pen" Kenwright out and, once the football at our once great club is of a consistent and better standard, then we may join the Sky elite! Until then we will ALWAYS be regarded as one of the also-rans being televised as and when Sky see appropriate!
ps: I fully understand your rant and know where you're coming from, the sooner we get a sugar daddy to take us to the level of City, we're only ever going to receive poor coverage! Get blue "Boys Pen" Kenwright out and, once the football at our once great club is of a consistent and better standard, then we may join the Sky elite! Until then we will ALWAYS be regarded as one of the also-rans being televised as and when Sky see appropriate!
Are Wigan on TV a lot? Would you want to watch them if they were? There's your answer.
As per Paul McGinty post, here in the USA, Everton have been on the TV regularly since the New Year on Fox TV here in Texas. Next week the Blackpool game will be shown.
We are not on the live games much. Be glad. Alan Smith's inane Sky-speak is dire. At times I turn the sound off.
The highlights on Sky though are top notch. At 10:30 most Saturdays you can watch extended highlights of an Everton game with someone like Barry Horne giving real biased insight into the state of the club. Even if it isn't an Everton summariser it will be someone like Trevor Francis who, though a bit of a prat, at least is interested in football and doesn't just repeat corporate nonsense for the benefit of oblivious masses.
The highlights on Sky though are top notch. At 10:30 most Saturdays you can watch extended highlights of an Everton game with someone like Barry Horne giving real biased insight into the state of the club. Even if it isn't an Everton summariser it will be someone like Trevor Francis who, though a bit of a prat, at least is interested in football and doesn't just repeat corporate nonsense for the benefit of oblivious masses.
The domestic TV deal guarantees each club a minimum of 10 appearances per season. That entails what's called a Facility Fee of around (currently) £445k per match.
To be fair to Sky, they do not need to necessarily show teams 10 times a year, but guarantee the payment - however I do not recall a season under the current deal when they've not done that.
Almost half of the teams are currently shown the minimum 10 times. From memory we were 14-15 last season. Man U were 26.
Do not for one minute confuse this with overseas broadcast. This is purely Sky domestic.
One of the multitude of reasons we need a new stadium is to pander to the needs of the meeja. The other reason we're not shown that much is that we are not that popular / attractive to watch. (Newly rich/attractive to watch Man City were, IIRC, on 24 times last season).
To be fair to Sky, they do not need to necessarily show teams 10 times a year, but guarantee the payment - however I do not recall a season under the current deal when they've not done that.
Almost half of the teams are currently shown the minimum 10 times. From memory we were 14-15 last season. Man U were 26.
Do not for one minute confuse this with overseas broadcast. This is purely Sky domestic.
One of the multitude of reasons we need a new stadium is to pander to the needs of the meeja. The other reason we're not shown that much is that we are not that popular / attractive to watch. (Newly rich/attractive to watch Man City were, IIRC, on 24 times last season).
Everton means nothing to the unbelievers.
I had a long conversation today with a neighbour who claims to support the shite. (I live in Cape Town but was born in Bootle).
My neighbour didn't even know that Everton is in Liverpool. To me, idiotic, but, on reflection, perfectly understandable, because the only people who promote our club are us, the fans.
Kenwright supporters, what has he ever done to show the greatness of our club? Everton Football Club is beyond comparison.
Philip Bickerstaff, the magic and joy of supporting Everton is enough, we don't need to be on TV.
I had a long conversation today with a neighbour who claims to support the shite. (I live in Cape Town but was born in Bootle).
My neighbour didn't even know that Everton is in Liverpool. To me, idiotic, but, on reflection, perfectly understandable, because the only people who promote our club are us, the fans.
Kenwright supporters, what has he ever done to show the greatness of our club? Everton Football Club is beyond comparison.
Philip Bickerstaff, the magic and joy of supporting Everton is enough, we don't need to be on TV.
Brian (145)
? I lived in Asia, used to your story x 10. Was still amazed to find Asian fans who pretty much had no affinity to us who support us! (Some of them read / post here - they can explain)
? Liverpool's MD also claims to have spent a large proportion of his time growing up in Asia. In part that's why they have an Asian sponsor (albeit an English company, originally). He's already this season displayed a remarkable lack of appreciation for this league, and cant stupidity to boot. Long may it continue.
? Sadly, Broadcast revenue is important to our club. It's the only sort-of-constant. In the right hands, it'll lead to new pots of gold overseas...
I was born in Kirkdale. At home. Couple of minutes crawl from Goodison. Proud of it!
? I lived in Asia, used to your story x 10. Was still amazed to find Asian fans who pretty much had no affinity to us who support us! (Some of them read / post here - they can explain)
? Liverpool's MD also claims to have spent a large proportion of his time growing up in Asia. In part that's why they have an Asian sponsor (albeit an English company, originally). He's already this season displayed a remarkable lack of appreciation for this league, and cant stupidity to boot. Long may it continue.
? Sadly, Broadcast revenue is important to our club. It's the only sort-of-constant. In the right hands, it'll lead to new pots of gold overseas...
I was born in Kirkdale. At home. Couple of minutes crawl from Goodison. Proud of it!
I too get all the games here in Canada.
Can you not get ''free to air'' service in U.K ?
Can you not get ''free to air'' service in U.K ?
Because no one outside of the Everton fan base wants to watch us.
That's the reputation we've developed over the years.
That's the reputation we've developed over the years.
Watched the game in Brazil deep in the rainforest today...we looked pretty good against Chelsea!
Because of the negative dross we've served up all season.
That said, it was live on Setanta in Ireland today, as is our game against Blackpool next week.
That said, it was live on Setanta in Ireland today, as is our game against Blackpool next week.
Plus we're our recent games against City and Fulham not on Sky as well anyway?
Hey guys, on the otherside of world in Australia, it appears that Everton are being displayed on Foxsport's main channel once every second weekend... I know it's available if you press the red button however it's better watching the blues in HD as opposed to SD (shit digital!) especially last nights' game!!
All our league games are shown on telly here in Thailand.
We get all the Prem games here too in Bali EVENTUALLY if not live. There are usually 4 live games on Sat and whoever plays on Sunday with repeats throughout the week and shows of the ones not shown live. But I admit the coverage in Thailand is better you get every game live thanks no doubt to Chang at least you did when I lived on Wireless Rd in downtown BKK two years ago.
But with regards to UK coverage put yourself in the producers seat. He has to provide ENTERTAINMENT and so unless Everton are playing one of the big four they are usually ignored. Why? - well because under Dour Davey we consistently play Dross and no one especially neutrals want to watch dross game after game after game with the odd ( very rare) decent game thrown in .
But with regards to UK coverage put yourself in the producers seat. He has to provide ENTERTAINMENT and so unless Everton are playing one of the big four they are usually ignored. Why? - well because under Dour Davey we consistently play Dross and no one especially neutrals want to watch dross game after game after game with the odd ( very rare) decent game thrown in .
The top teams getting the most TV coverage is not a Sky thing - it's been like that since football began being televised.
Remember MotD from the 80s (when I started watching footie). They only showed 2 or 3 match highlights during the show, unlike now when they race through every match. I don't remember them ignoring top-of-the-table clashes for a mid-table slug fest in the mud.
And when live league matches started to be shown in about 1983/4, the first one? Man U v Spurs, when both sides were mid-table mediocrity.
Sky has saturated football coverage no doubt, but to say TV coverage only concentrates on the top sides 'these days' is just wrong. It's always been like that - for the reasons you've all stated above. A shame, but c'est la vie
Remember MotD from the 80s (when I started watching footie). They only showed 2 or 3 match highlights during the show, unlike now when they race through every match. I don't remember them ignoring top-of-the-table clashes for a mid-table slug fest in the mud.
And when live league matches started to be shown in about 1983/4, the first one? Man U v Spurs, when both sides were mid-table mediocrity.
Sky has saturated football coverage no doubt, but to say TV coverage only concentrates on the top sides 'these days' is just wrong. It's always been like that - for the reasons you've all stated above. A shame, but c'est la vie
I should say that the Man U v Spurs, although a mid-table slug fest, was shown because both are/were 'big' clubs who could generate the viewing figures better than a Watford game for example, when they were challenging the RS for the league at around the same period.
Here on Uranus we get all games live on Universe Sports.
Great stuff today and made even better with the shite showing the world what we've always known.
Great stuff today and made even better with the shite showing the world what we've always known.
By the way the fact we arent on telly all the time has nothing to do with "the shite Moyes serves up" but then when has the truth has never really mattered to the MOB? Are Swansea on week in and week out given that they play attractive football? Nope. Why was the Swansea v Norwich game not chosen as a live game this weekend? Afterall it was a game between two "footballing" teams?
The truth is the shite could be playing the British National Party Select 11 as part of a PR drive and this would get preference over us no matter who we are playing.
The truth is the shite could be playing the British National Party Select 11 as part of a PR drive and this would get preference over us no matter who we are playing.
It's obvious why we're not featured ? we're not in Europe, therefore most of our games are on a Saturday so that's one reason. Also we have played pretty awful football for the last 2 years, not many people would want to watch us.
But to be honest I'm quite happy with this. I hate Sunday games and Monday games, they spoil the day for fans. The ridiculous time Sky moved Everton v Chelsea to a Monday night... I despise the way Sky have ruined football by disrupting kick-off times.
Why can't games just be played on a Saturday? It encourages more fans to go to the game, transport is easier thus causing attendances to increase.
But to be honest I'm quite happy with this. I hate Sunday games and Monday games, they spoil the day for fans. The ridiculous time Sky moved Everton v Chelsea to a Monday night... I despise the way Sky have ruined football by disrupting kick-off times.
Why can't games just be played on a Saturday? It encourages more fans to go to the game, transport is easier thus causing attendances to increase.
Had the dubious honour of watching most of the ManU v Shite game in the Hermitage yesterday before walking to Goodison. It seems ManU and ourselves have more in common than just a few cast-offs from them coming our way....we both have troublesome neighbours.
Theirs are just a bit noisy though..... while ours are totally fucking dysfunctional. Suarez is an embarrassment and needs professional help but what is worse is the unqualified support he gets from Dalglish. The man is brainless. So are most of the players. Evra went over the top at the end but it was inevitable in the circumstances but the way the other shite players surrounded him near the tunnel was lunacy.
This is what happens to arrogance once it's thwarted. It turns into bigotted lunacy. Keep that shite and The Shite off the telly until they start to behave like reasonable human beings and I'll be happy.
Theirs are just a bit noisy though..... while ours are totally fucking dysfunctional. Suarez is an embarrassment and needs professional help but what is worse is the unqualified support he gets from Dalglish. The man is brainless. So are most of the players. Evra went over the top at the end but it was inevitable in the circumstances but the way the other shite players surrounded him near the tunnel was lunacy.
This is what happens to arrogance once it's thwarted. It turns into bigotted lunacy. Keep that shite and The Shite off the telly until they start to behave like reasonable human beings and I'll be happy.
In Sky's defence I think they have two or three scheduling breaks during the season. They appear to have a look at the league and, if you're up there, you get penned in for a disproportionate number of games. I might be wrong but the year we finished fourth we were on plenty at the tail end of the season.
The Sky 4 are generally there at the business end of the season and given they have the largest support Sky are logically going to peddle their product to the largest audience. These clubs as a result get more revenue, more coverage, then bigger fan bases and the cycle continues much to Sky's approval. If we were hitting Europe, we'd be darlings of the media soon enough.
The Sky 4 are generally there at the business end of the season and given they have the largest support Sky are logically going to peddle their product to the largest audience. These clubs as a result get more revenue, more coverage, then bigger fan bases and the cycle continues much to Sky's approval. If we were hitting Europe, we'd be darlings of the media soon enough.
Christopher Brown.
Not quite correct on the first live TV game. It was Spurs, but not Man Utd they were playing.
The first live TV League game was Spurs v Nottingham Forest on Sunday, October 2, 1983. Spurs won 2-1 after Forest took an early lead.
Best thing about it in my book was listening to Brian Moore and Ian St John uncomfortably trying to find something to talk about as the The Shelf terrace (same design as the Gwladys Street but down the side of the pitch for those too young to remember) below them sang loud and often, ''You can stick the fucking telly up your arse!'' Classic stuff, but how little they knew what was to follow....
Not quite correct on the first live TV game. It was Spurs, but not Man Utd they were playing.
The first live TV League game was Spurs v Nottingham Forest on Sunday, October 2, 1983. Spurs won 2-1 after Forest took an early lead.
Best thing about it in my book was listening to Brian Moore and Ian St John uncomfortably trying to find something to talk about as the The Shelf terrace (same design as the Gwladys Street but down the side of the pitch for those too young to remember) below them sang loud and often, ''You can stick the fucking telly up your arse!'' Classic stuff, but how little they knew what was to follow....
Like most Evertonians I have watched the SKY take over of English football over the past 20+ years. But what is interesting is how their model has worked.
At the start, there wasn't any talk of the big 4 or Super Sunday's as their model of give them Man U, the arse and the shite and they will watch seemed to sell the package.
Only after the late arrival of Chelski did we first hear of the big 4 (my point here is that it became the big 4 not because chelski were the 4th but because the shite were the 4th team!) this has continued through to today.
As Man City joined the game Sky "invented" the big 6 (as the shite fell to 6th) which will soon become I would guess the Super 7 or some other nonsence as the shite continue to slide .
The solution appears to me is to finish above the shite as part of the "tremendous twelve!" or some other fatuous SKY moniker and then SKY may have to show us some more but I wouldn't hold my breath as SKY continue to sell the games to those parts of the world were it's forever Rome 77 (or whenever it was).
I for one still like going to the game on a Saturday for a 3pm Kick-off and enjoy a Tuesday/ Wednesday under the lights cup replay or euro game.
Sundays, Mondays, Thursdays and Fridays even after 20+ years of SKY still don't feel right.
At the start, there wasn't any talk of the big 4 or Super Sunday's as their model of give them Man U, the arse and the shite and they will watch seemed to sell the package.
Only after the late arrival of Chelski did we first hear of the big 4 (my point here is that it became the big 4 not because chelski were the 4th but because the shite were the 4th team!) this has continued through to today.
As Man City joined the game Sky "invented" the big 6 (as the shite fell to 6th) which will soon become I would guess the Super 7 or some other nonsence as the shite continue to slide .
The solution appears to me is to finish above the shite as part of the "tremendous twelve!" or some other fatuous SKY moniker and then SKY may have to show us some more but I wouldn't hold my breath as SKY continue to sell the games to those parts of the world were it's forever Rome 77 (or whenever it was).
I for one still like going to the game on a Saturday for a 3pm Kick-off and enjoy a Tuesday/ Wednesday under the lights cup replay or euro game.
Sundays, Mondays, Thursdays and Fridays even after 20+ years of SKY still don't feel right.
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971 Posted 11/02/2012 at 14:54:56
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Not hard to tell where all the Sky TV money is going this season.