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18 Comments: Donovan said after the City game, "We now know what works and we have seen what doesn't" And so we do: Donovan, The Stracman, Pienaar, Duffy, Drenthe ? they all work in both senses of the word, all of those bar 1 are loans and of them, while I would like to see Donovan stay, I don't think it is in his long-term plan, no matter how much he tweets about loving us.
We need cash to cash in... on our loanees. So what's left to hock? Not a lot... only players.
I think most admit that our previous slash-and-burn business plan is not the way to go, but what else is there? I can't see the banks giving us another £12+ mill to spend. So we might have to do the never again one more time.
My short question is, who hasn't been missed??
Answer: Jagielka and Rodwell... sorry but sacrifices have to be made and these two drew my short straw.
Alternatives: Do nothing? not an option...The Banks give us more credit? not likely... The Board put money in for the first time this century? even less likely. One of these 12 Investors has a mad rush to blood to the wallet?....nah.
Sorry lads, clear your lockers and get packing.
Any more options?
Derek Thomas, Posted 12/02/2012 at 01:10:49
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couldnt agree more taxi for jags an jack
We need all of the players, including Jags and Rowell. Neville Distin Cahill Osman Hibbert aren't getting any younger either. I think we need to keep the core of players we own now (of good quality) and add where possible effective loans. Don't forget Drenthe will be a free transfer if we decide to take him and he agrees.
I think that I would be happy to see one or two players go if it meant that we could bring in Pienaar and the Strac. Whether or not we would get anything like decent money for Neville or Cahill, if Moyes decided to let them go in the summer, remains to be seen. I think one from Jags, Rodwell, Baines or Barkley will definitely have to be sold to raise the money we would need to appease the banks, buy Pienaar, the Strac, sign Drenthe and then also pay their wages. The younger players should also be a year older and more experienced at that stage to help make up a decent enough squad.
The only issue I have with selling those players who might generate a transfer pot is that those there is not the serious depth at the back that you might think. There is no real adequate replacement for Baines at hand if he is sold. If Neville goes, either through retirement or as a sale, it leaves Hibbert on his own as our only recognised right back. To my knowledge, and correct me if I am wrong, most of our younger players who are either rated or have gotten game time this season have been midfielders or forwards. That would mean that any money raised from player sales would need to be used in part to buy cover at the back.
In some respects those respects this does bring us back to square one. It will be interesting to see what happens.
The only issue I have with selling those players who might generate a transfer pot is that those there is not the serious depth at the back that you might think. There is no real adequate replacement for Baines at hand if he is sold. If Neville goes, either through retirement or as a sale, it leaves Hibbert on his own as our only recognised right back. To my knowledge, and correct me if I am wrong, most of our younger players who are either rated or have gotten game time this season have been midfielders or forwards. That would mean that any money raised from player sales would need to be used in part to buy cover at the back.
In some respects those respects this does bring us back to square one. It will be interesting to see what happens.
I've said so many times that we can't allow player's to stay at Goodison past the point where their transfer value falls off the cliff.
The way the club is 'run' means the only way we will ever have a transfer budget is to recycle players and hopefully make some profit on them. The manager currently in place is excellent at developing a player and upping their value. He's also very reluctant to let a player go that he trusts.
This January has shown how important it is to keep a squad fresh and how a few new faces can give a club a lift. I hope this makes some impression on the manager.
Were well covered at CB. Distin probably has no real transfer value. Duffy is young and able and won't mind being a squad player for maybe another season as long he gets a decent amount of games in cups and when injuries strike.
Heitinga is younger and better than Jagielka IMO, and with the Jag at the the tipping point in terms of value, he's the obvious one to be moved on. I like and admire the way he plays and how he conducts himself but if someone comes in with Circa £10m then the club would be fools to turn it down.
With all the JT goings on he could well be set to start for England and a good championship could see us get a decent fee.
The way the club is 'run' means the only way we will ever have a transfer budget is to recycle players and hopefully make some profit on them. The manager currently in place is excellent at developing a player and upping their value. He's also very reluctant to let a player go that he trusts.
This January has shown how important it is to keep a squad fresh and how a few new faces can give a club a lift. I hope this makes some impression on the manager.
Were well covered at CB. Distin probably has no real transfer value. Duffy is young and able and won't mind being a squad player for maybe another season as long he gets a decent amount of games in cups and when injuries strike.
Heitinga is younger and better than Jagielka IMO, and with the Jag at the the tipping point in terms of value, he's the obvious one to be moved on. I like and admire the way he plays and how he conducts himself but if someone comes in with Circa £10m then the club would be fools to turn it down.
With all the JT goings on he could well be set to start for England and a good championship could see us get a decent fee.
Good point about the Euros Stephen. Jags would seem the obvious choice to be sold on. When I think about it, I'm surprised that there isn't more speculation about Baines. He seems happy to stay at Everton and I would be surprised to see him go unless some huge offer came in for him out of the blue.
With Moyes, I do still think that he still has that eye for a bargain.I think that for him, it probably came as both a relief, and something of a surprise, that he got to do the business that he did in this transfer window. I think that I would be happy to see him hang on to the loan players on a permenant basis, both for the sake of the squad and for his own confidence and motivation levels.
Many people have said that he has become overly negative and a pale shadow of the Moyes that started with us ten seasons ago. I think that getting some control back over the squad and transfers in general will give him a huge boost. If the fans can see the difference in the squad and the style of play, then Moyes must be able to see it too. To even give him five to six million in the summer out of any player sales could well work wonders.
With Moyes, I do still think that he still has that eye for a bargain.I think that for him, it probably came as both a relief, and something of a surprise, that he got to do the business that he did in this transfer window. I think that I would be happy to see him hang on to the loan players on a permenant basis, both for the sake of the squad and for his own confidence and motivation levels.
Many people have said that he has become overly negative and a pale shadow of the Moyes that started with us ten seasons ago. I think that getting some control back over the squad and transfers in general will give him a huge boost. If the fans can see the difference in the squad and the style of play, then Moyes must be able to see it too. To even give him five to six million in the summer out of any player sales could well work wonders.
Stephen #397
agree with every word of that
agree with every word of that
I wouldn't miss Jagielka if he were sold. He's a panic merchant who always looks like an OG or an assist to the opposition centre forward waiting to happen.
If getting rid of Jagielka meant we would secure Drenthe and Pienaar / Donovan permanently, I'd be happy (not that I think that's a likely scenario at all)
If getting rid of Jagielka meant we would secure Drenthe and Pienaar / Donovan permanently, I'd be happy (not that I think that's a likely scenario at all)
Sell Jagielka or Rodwell. Buy Donovan and Pienaar/ Drenthe, then we have a ok team.
At the end of the day, Dovovan will not be signing permanetly. He is approaching 30 and wll have no re-sale value when he is 32/33. For me, the one to sell to raise funds would be Rodwell. Unless he gets a chance to play in the attacking midfield role and see what he is like now that Gibson and Fellaini are doing well. I just don't think Rodwell is going to be the holding midfielder that Moyes has made him do his apprentice in.
Kieran # 389
Bidwell and Garbutt are rated very highly and doing well out on loan - both are left backs!
Bidwell and Garbutt are rated very highly and doing well out on loan - both are left backs!
Jagielka should have already been sold when Arsenal came in. I have long said Heitinga is our best CB so it's nice to see others are finally catching on!
Rodwell should be kept though he has class.
Rodwell should be kept though he has class.
Our World Cup Finalist CB is probably our best player ATM and should be the captain. If anyone has any value, it will be Jonny for a decent fee. That leaves us with Jags not the most accomplished player you will ever see but a very good defender and a Moyes favoroured player. Rodwell is a classy player and could well do the Donavon role but Osman will be back to fill that void when Landon leaves.
Frustrating is a word that springs to my mind when I see Drenthe play.
Yes he is different to what we have got in that he has pace and is willing to take on a man.
However far too many times he has given the ball away or not tracked back (one of the reasons people couldn't wait to get rid of Billy)
For me he is a decent sub to bring on after 75 mins, but when he starts he is too erratic and cannot be trusted to do his job
If we could only sign him or Pienaar in the summer, I know which one I would go for.
As for selling Jags, behave. He has been superb for us and will continue to be superb.
Rodwell on the other hand is a conundrum. One of the few players we could get decent money for, however I would like nothing better than for him to be a success for us for years to come (and he defo has the ability to be that)
Rodwell and Fellaini was just starting to work until he got the injury. If he can stay fit and prove he is worth a place ahead of Gibson then we have the potential for a really strong midfield (with Pienaar and a pacy right sided player ... if only Landon would stay)
Just need a young up and coming right back (Clyne?) and a striker with out and out pace to play alongside Jelavic
Even The Stracq is improving :-)
Yes he is different to what we have got in that he has pace and is willing to take on a man.
However far too many times he has given the ball away or not tracked back (one of the reasons people couldn't wait to get rid of Billy)
For me he is a decent sub to bring on after 75 mins, but when he starts he is too erratic and cannot be trusted to do his job
If we could only sign him or Pienaar in the summer, I know which one I would go for.
As for selling Jags, behave. He has been superb for us and will continue to be superb.
Rodwell on the other hand is a conundrum. One of the few players we could get decent money for, however I would like nothing better than for him to be a success for us for years to come (and he defo has the ability to be that)
Rodwell and Fellaini was just starting to work until he got the injury. If he can stay fit and prove he is worth a place ahead of Gibson then we have the potential for a really strong midfield (with Pienaar and a pacy right sided player ... if only Landon would stay)
Just need a young up and coming right back (Clyne?) and a striker with out and out pace to play alongside Jelavic
Even The Stracq is improving :-)
Anto,
Rodwell in the Donovan role? Behave.
When was the last time he whipped in a deadly cross? Or beat a man with a piece of skill or neat one two? Or created a goal with a perfectly weighted through ball?
Stephen Kenny, spot on. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we get an £8m bid for Saha from Fenerbahce and a £6m offer from West Ham for Yakubu?
I know I'd have took the £1m for Neville from Spurs last January. We need to move these players on at the right time and bring the youngsters through in place.
Rodwell in the Donovan role? Behave.
When was the last time he whipped in a deadly cross? Or beat a man with a piece of skill or neat one two? Or created a goal with a perfectly weighted through ball?
Stephen Kenny, spot on. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we get an £8m bid for Saha from Fenerbahce and a £6m offer from West Ham for Yakubu?
I know I'd have took the £1m for Neville from Spurs last January. We need to move these players on at the right time and bring the youngsters through in place.
I vote Jags out but Rodwell to stay; I think he can also be a possible centre back as Distin approaches the end of the road. Johnny and Jack in the middle would work for me.
Were does Barkley fit into everyones plans??
He doesnt seem to get spoke about these days!!
He doesnt seem to get spoke about these days!!
Clearly we will have to sell someone in the summer... but who? That is a question that we will have to wait to find out about. We do need to keep Drenthe & Pienaar as they add some flair but I cannot see it happening as Moyes does not do Flair... but that is my opinion.
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353 Posted 12/02/2012 at 14:37:33
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As all Evertonians know, we deserve trophies and our flags to be flying in Europe! If the banks won't let us expand, then as true Evertonians we need to find a way of helping our beloved Toffee team to buy his contract and give us the progress we so need.
Lets stop the boo boys and anti-Kenwright people and help. If anyone from EFC reads this, then I have my tenner ready!
How much will we need to bring Landon to Goodison permanently?