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The Greatest Merseyside Derby?
I'm actually surprised no-one has mentioned this on Toffeeweb yet, but yesterday was the 21st anniversary of the magnificent 4-4 draw against Liverpool. For those of you a little young to remember, this was arguably THE greatest Merseyside derby ever played (apart from the ones we one naturally!) What are the Bluenoses memory of the occasion?
History will show it was Dalglish's last game in charge first time around, and us Toffees had the last laugh as we won the replay 1-0 thanks to David Watson. Me? I didn't know the live result (my TV didn't have Ceefax back then ? ask your dad)... So I watched the rollercoaster is it unfolded on Match of the Day.
I thought we were dead and buried after each Liverpool goal in extra time. But then Tony Cottee showed why we payed as much for him as Spurs did for Paul Gascoigne and buried two equalisers. I went nuts, and given it was about 11pm and I was 16 at the time, Mum was severely worried what was going on in my bedroom!
Happy days...
Alex Robinson, Posted 20/02/2012 at 19:23:54
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I was in the Kop (main stand side) with about 4-5 thousand other Evertonians... There must have been 10,000 of us inside Anfiled that day... what an atmosphere!
Re the 4-4 game - is it available on DVD? If it isn't then it is about time that it was made available. A classic Cup Tie.
The 3-1 league win was great too. A few weeks earlier they had whipped us in the charity shield. We signed Bally shortly after and improved a 110%.
In fact I was talking to a family of Blackpool supporters in the Hermitage before the game on Saturday. I told them I will always be grateful to Blackpool. They looked at me puzzled until I said....'for Alan Ball'.!
I had suffered years of torment through school everytime those bastards beat us and Clive (Fuckwit) Thomas robbed us.
I actually cried tears of joy that day as i was so overwhelmed after so many years of heartache.
Best derby ever was the Joe Royle debut as manager. I was watching it in a room full of RS supporters at Cardiff Uni. When the Everton team was shown, the room erupted with laughter. Everton were rock bottom of the league. Their smiles where wiped off their faces when Big Dunc rose and sent the ball and about 3 RS players (Rudduck, Scales, James ?) into the Gladwys Street goal. I was up on the table cheering. Rideout made it 2-0. Superb!
The Andy Johnson derby lives long in the memory as well. I honestly thought after that, we would go on to regularly beat them and that glory beckoned.
Was I think a Leeds record, though Nottingham Forrest may have had something to do with it... can't remember.
Undaunted yet with a fair amount of trepidation I proudly wore my Blue regalia as I took my place among the gobshites.
The RS were flying high in the league and with Everton not doing that well we were definitely were the under dog.
As kick off approached the kop erupted in delight when a pair of gobshites wearing white doctors overalls carried a huge Purple Heart on a pole and planted it on the centre spot.
The game turned out to be a slaughter and we were doing the slaughtering. We could have scored ten yet still we were three up.
I was delirious with excitement but no one was around to take the micky out of. The 28,000 boasting bragging lot of em? had slunk away.
The icing on the cake came with our fourth goal scored by ex RS player little Johnnie Morrisey.
Johnnie was unmarked when he controlled the ball on the left wing.
He cheekily indicated to the RS keeper Tommy Younger to come and get the ball then carefully and precisely chipped it over Tommy?s head into the net.
That was the signal for a mass clear out of all bar roaring evertonians.
I could have opened a shop with the amount of Red and White gear that was discarded.
What a wonderful wonderful day and my number one Derby memory.
The symbolism of the Purple Heart referred to the People newspapers outrageous and disgusting story about Everton supposedly feeding our players with P Hs. That was another of those disgusting media beat ups lacking an ounce of truth. I have not bought that disgusting ragtop this day.
God that was a great day
My favourite one was the Sharpie derby. I was amongst 4-5,000 Evertonians on the main stand side of the kop. There must have been at least 10,000 of us inside Anfield that day.
What an atmosphere
There's three possibly four others I'd put before it.
The first was Andy King's fantastic shot at Goodison which came just after I'd left school. We'd not beaten them for 7 years and the relief around the blue half of the city of Liverpool was palpable. The quip that us bluenoses had was the question to RS mates - "Ay laa, where's Kings Drive?... in the back of the fucking net ? that's where!"
The second was a 2 - 1 cup win again at Goodison with Imre Varadi leading the line, who really should have scored 5... and refereed by the incomparable (or is that incompetent) Clive Thomas ? who did his best to deny both of our goals Eastoe scored the second and after Jimmy 'shithouse' Case had gone right through our prostrate goalie, the melee in front of the Street End with Mick Lyons and Souness having a barny. I ended up in the Queens in Bowring Park that night and was so pissed through celebrating I fell asleep in the bogs and got a real 'lock in' in the pub!
Then there was Sharpy's goal at Anfield ? I was in the Kop and right behind it... some dickhead wearing half a dozen flags and scarves with a million badges on them shouted 'offside' as Sharp got the ball and a millionth of a second later the ball was in the back of the net ? then absolute madness reigned for a minute as what seemed half the Kop erupted in celebration and the poor unfortunate 'wool' with the million badges started complaining about 'you should be in the other end' One of the lads said to the wool "Look, nobhead, there's more to being a supporter than holding a scarf over yer 'ead moaning about the weather." (My favourite quip at any match!)
The fourth was a match I never went to ? it was two weeks after heart surgery and the doctors had ordered no excitement ? I went into Newcastle to buy some clothes and left the missus at home.
"Come right home ? no shirking off to the pub," she says.
I got on the bus and the driver hearing my accent says "Are you a red or a blue scouser?" I said "Blue".
"A proper scouser," he says.
I don't know how it happened, probably the result of careful planning, but I ended up with a pint in my hand in front of a big screen in a pub called 'Bar Oz' on Newcastle City Centre ? about a dozen 'Geordie Reds' in the pub all with their regulation hats, scarves, badges and shirts. One lad on hearing my accent says in a broad Geordie accent, "We're going to stuff them today!"
"Actually, I'm an Evertonian." Then the whole crowd began telling me how we were going to get stuffed.
Up steps Andy Johnson... and the morning/afternoon passes in a blur of drink fuelled celebration and piss taking of the Geordie Reds... I ended up home about 7PM and an almighty bollocking from the missus who told me she thought I'd croaked...
I didn't have the heart to tell her I only came home because I ran out of money...
Memories - all good ones; and there's half a dozen other derby games as good that could have made that top 4.
I hope we get them in the final this year and Straq scores 3!
Kinell Kevin - proper heart surgery that was then!!!
The night of that Imre Varadi cup win I got nicked by a red shite copper for singing Everton are magic whilst pissing in an alley way opposite Newton le Willows cop shop. He give me a good twatting and no f#cking fry up the next morning but it was worth it!
The King derby will always be my favourite as it was the first time I saw us beat them after attending all the previous 70's ones but I also saw all three of the cup trilogy courtesy of ESCLA and loved them all.
Thing is though, the 4-4 should never have happened as we were blatantly robbed at Anfield in the first game!
My favourite scene in any derby has to be the Andy Johnson goal when Pepe Reina thought he'd grabbed the ball after tipping it in the air to later realise he actually had Johnson's head and the ball was over the line. Nearly pissed blood laughing at that in the bar in Rhodes when people came in from the pool to see what the noise I was making was all about. Watched it with Stewart Downing's cousins and uncles when he was at Middlesborough and there were rumours he might be available. With hindsight, thank God they didn't take my advice and suggest he came to us!
Never forgotten it and one of my biggest mistakes ever to have been so impressed by them and yet not have bought one.
Yes, Shaun I remember that game our kid, the taxis probably wouldn't stop for us because we were lying in the road singing 'Oh, Gary Gary... Gary, Gary, Gary, Gary Lineker!'
Happy birthday anyway you old goat...
I was on holiday from Australia on my gap year, and i timed my holiday so i could go to this game. It was my second game i saw the boys (the first in the down-under pre-season tour). I was at the ground by 11:30 and didnt sit down until i was on the train going back to london. Located in the lower Gladwys street end, it was easily the best sporting experience i have seen live, this including being at the Sydney Swans drought breaking premiership in 2005, dramatic end to that game here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1ArBnpFLHE
Seeing Timmy smash the ball into the next was great the old lady was rocking even moreso than i could have imagined, with the embraces of elation with total strangers something i will never forget.
A close second though was when Gosling scored 'that' winner. I was at school in extension english and was watching the game on my laptop. When he scored i went mental much to the amusement of classmates and shock of my teacher, i was bouncing around for days after that.
hopefully many more of these great memories are to come, starting with the revenge mission at Analfield later in season COYB
my dad, god rest his soul, was a copper around that time at Newton and he was a reds fan although admittedly not the most ardent, he also liked to see the blues do well. He preferred Rugby League and used to take me a lot to watch Leigh Centurions as we live just down the road in Lowton. Apologies if it was him! Ha ha.
The thing I remember most though was the respect I had for Liverpool back then. I know I was only 11 and I would hardly call it affection (steady!) but they were a decent team populated by, it seemed to me, decent players. Somewhere along the line I picked up an intense loathing of that lot. It must have been a combination of Stephen Gerrard (?I think anyone can see I was going for the ball there...? ? sure Steve, let?s ask Gary Naysmith shall we?), Gerard Houllier (how many games from glory are you now, you twat), that arrogant fat Spanish waiter (small club yeah?), Jamie Carragher, Luis Suarez and a host of referees who simply couldn?t contain themselves in front of Gerrard and co. As a result I actually feel sorry for Kenny now, the way he thinks he is still dealing with men of the calibre of Rush, Barnes and Beardsley, when he is stuck with loathsome play acting scum like Suarez who aren?t fit to lace his boots...
I've got the whole 120 mins on an old video and Liverpool really did batter us that night and should have won with ease but they were a complete joke at the back and kept gifting us goals. They was some of the scruffiest,scrappiest ever seen!
The 2-0 Ratcliffe and Lineker derby will always have special memories for me as it was my first one at Anfield. Although as a then tiny 9 year-old I didn't see much from that pokey little corner of the Anfield Road End the shite used to give us.
Though from my spec it seemed at least a third of the Kop was Blue that day.
Was at the 4-4. Totally mental. Oddly enough, I have almost as strong a memory of the let-down league game the following Saturday, a 2-1 home defeat to Sheffield United.
The 3-0 AJ game, watched in a pub in East London, was just pure enjoyment, when for once we didn't only win but put up a scoreline that genuinely expressed dominance.
I don't think I could pick a favorite. Maybe, in more recent memory, the Gosling goal...just when all the Kopites were celebrating because they thought they were going to win the game on penalties. Pandemonium.
Never forget the Andy King volley derby or the Sharpy one which still makes me laugh watching the replay and seeing that bloke that looks like Statto run on the pitch.
With the game being shown at Analfield on the big screen, we Blues had a agreement with our red mates, that no matter who won we would all meet after the match and go on the ale.
Needless to say only the Blue half turned up, but we made up for absent friend, with a great night.
It's a shame really. I must have got pissed with Sharpy and a few others six or seven times in the Weld Blundell - had the joy of watch handsome Alan Harper throwing up in the car park. But if I met him now I wouldn't give him the time of day unless he promised to talk only of the distant past.
It's a shame really. I must have got pissed with Sharpy and a few others six or seven times in the Weld Blundell - had the joy of watch handsome Alan Harper throwing up in the car park. But if I met him now I wouldn't give him the time of day unless he promised to talk only of the distant past.
I was in the kop that day.When Morrissy scored that beauty,if you can remember anybody giving you a bear hub and a big smackeroon on the cheeks, it was most likely me! What a great day,we really stuck their purple hearts up their arses!!!!!
But I digress. If it hadnt been for Clive bastard Thomas that Maine Road semi would have been the greatest of them all!
wishful thinking? yeah considering I want them out next round!
Your cup references go way back compared to mine, I was only born in 85 so 95 is my glory memory!
The 4-4, I remember mostly cos I was in Bullens Road-and I hate Bullens Rd, sitting next to a group of RS.
Finally the '84 Milk Cup final, I don't remember the game because I was pissed, but what a weekend
It was actually a really odd kind of streak too.
I mean I seem to remember initially, she was wearing a kind of Clancy Brothers Aran sweater on the top, but..fuck all below (really - who streaks and shows BELOW the waist but...not the top).
You also have to remember, this was in the days BEFORE the 'Frankie Vaughan' industry had decided we should all to do away with our 'rubiks'.
Consequently on show was what appeared to be a pair of black Angora briefs (or 'a Gorilla salad' as the Viz Profanisaurus prefers)
Don't know if you remember the follow up (remember reading it in the Echo). She was fished (alive) out of the Mersey a few days later and taken to somewhere that takes care of the massively bewildered (given a Kop season-ticket - brrrrrr-TISH!).
To be honest I didn't get a great 'blimp' but I almost lost a couple of vertebra straining my back/neck when she ran to the corner flag and (according to many) "picked it out the ground and 'gave it fuckin' loads laaar, you could see every'in".
Happy days!
where are you from by the way??
;o)
I remember watching the Everton v Man Utd semi final in The Croc on Harrington St. I had about 3 pints of lager before I got in there... it was heaving up that afternoon and I managed to get a decent spec in front of the TV on the right just before you go out to the smoking area. I thought, "Fuck that, I am not losing my spec," so I got 3 pints of lager for the first half and then at half-time I got another 3 for the second half. Extra time come and I got 3 more; when it went to penalties, I was well pissed but got just one more... well, Jags scored and put us through ? the place erupted and it was a boss afternoon/evening.
I ended up in the Pen and Wig, went downstairs for a few dances and was rotten but what a day! I was up all night pissing like a racehorse but, being a superstitious twat, that's my plan of action for when we have dusted Sunderland and, if we meet the Shite in the semis, well town will be booming and I am gonna get my spec in the Croc with my pints of lagers all set out again... COYBs
And if it's any help..
Rubiks = pubes.
Frankie Vaughan = porn
'Blimp' was 70s Liverpool-speak for a good long look.
Giving it loads is..um..giving it loads.
Come on St Pauli!!
On monday in the office someone asked my RS mate if he knew where "kings drive" was, he innocently started " yeah...woolton, if you go..." before a raucous interruption by various blues shouting " no it's in the back of Ray Clemence net you effin tit".
Such bliss.
Vielen Gluck!
Murf
I was at Anfield watching the big screens when Alan Ball scored the winner.
Someone grabbed me and kissed me! Wasn't you was it? A serial grabber maybe?
My best derby memory by far. The goal that is!
I went to the 4-4 game, can not remember detail. Also went to the next replay which again I can not remember much other than the song "Where's your Kenny gone?"
Do remember clearly though next game at Anfield, in the Kop, I was in the bottom left hand corner facing the pitch, wow, same song along with one to greet Molby as " You fat bastard" as he took a corner. Loads of blues in that corner and wearing colours.
The 1-0 or the comedy game of 3-0 and AJ's finest hour for me.
The Brucie Bonus own-goal in the Charity Shield at Wembley at the start of the 84-85 season was a joy, understandably a bit lost amongst everything else that we enjoyed over the next 9 or 10 months.
I have visions of Denis dancing all over Anfield after heading in the winner in front of the Kop as a million excuses start to be formulated.
Best Derby? Everyone of them when we've beaten the Red Shite...
The other occasion was the Liverpool Senior Cup when St John made his debut against us and scored a hat-trick but we won 4 - 3 with Vernon and Gabriel getting 2 goals apiece... Unfortunately, Young never played well in derby games as he did not take to the physical side of the game but both Vernon and Ball absolutely thrived on them!!!
And Tarbuck thinks HE was funny....?
The worst experience was standing on the Kop in 65 when we lost 5-0...
God aye, I told that "King's Drive at school for YEARS afterwards
Nirvana.
Certain players have always played well in derby games (and certain players have not). Both teams have their fair share of each but Morrissey always played well against us when he was at Anfield and for us when he played for the Blues. Liddell always frightened the life out of me whenever he got the ball and Roy Vernon was the equal of Ian Rush and often plunged his dagger into the reds.
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382 Posted 21/02/2012 at 05:54:00
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Since they sold their souls to himself, I will treat every victory as the ( next ) best one and treat it as a down payment for all the shite decisions they have worked on us.