Season 2011-12
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The Spurs Job
41 Comments: Something else has been bothering me...
Have I walked into some parallel universe where Tottenham Hotspur are among the giants of European football? I'm absolutely sick of these smug prick journos that appear on Sky stating that it's a 'no-brainer' for Tottenham to get Moyes should 'Arry get the England job.
Of all the things you take into consideration when evaluating the size of a club ? history, silverware, stadium, fanbase etc ? we are at the very least equal to Spurs. They can only trump us in one vital area, money. God knows how? I really do not understand football finance, How have they been able to assemble a squad like theirs on the back of only one season in the Champions League without the help of a billionaire? Maybe Bill should hire a Jeweish accountant... I hate Spurs with a passion, I had the misfortune to be in a pub surrounded by the self proclaimed 'Yid Army' during their League Cup victory under Ramos and they are among the worst collective examples of the human race I have ever come across, matched only by Newcastle fans in their delusions of grandeur.
I know people's opinions of Moyes are somewhat divided on this site but surely it would be a slap in the face for us all if he went to Tottenham? These arsholes on Sky are making out that Moyes has served his time working miracles on a shoestring at Everton and that he deserves a crack at a big club like Tottenham. I find this complete and utter repudiation of Everton as a football club shocking and appalling.
On the subject, another thing that really gets my goat is that all these jounalists are in a flap about the Euros and who is going to manage England. Well, we had an England manager. His name was Fabio Capello and his managerial pedigree compared to Redknapp's is like comparing Richard Branson's business empire with Ian Beale's. The press made him feel like he had to quit by making a big deal out of fuck all and the FA should be ashamed. Fleet Street has had it in for Capello since the World Cup where England's abject display was all his fault. Never mind Gerrard and Terry pissing on each others leg or Rooney's head being in bits because he knew his missus would soon be finding out about his indiscretions. I used to love England but screw them. I have a good mind to buy a Croatia shirt with 'Jelly' on the back and get behind the' 'Flying Fortress' this summer!
David Nicholls, Posted 30/03/2012 at
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David, I can't imagine David Moyes at Spurs. Whatever my views on him are he seems to be highly respected by people who know more about football than me. I think he'll sign a new deal at Everton and if he he wins the cup for us he'll shut me up for a while.
From one Dave to another: The fact that Spurs are now a bigger more attractive club than us is a culmination of 25 years of inept stewardship that pre-dates Kenwright, although that doesn't absolve him from blame in any way.
It is even more tragic that we were ahead of Spurs as recently as 2008-09 but all that has been thrown away because of a failure to invest-not Abu Dhabi money but sensible investment-a Donovan here or a Ben Arfa (who we were looking at) there has costs us dearly-sometimes I think that the board doesn?t want CL because they would have to find investment.
And finally, agree about Eng-er-land. I?ve gone from avid supporter to don?t give a flying fuck in 20 years, and I hate it when one of ours is called up. Mind you. it may be because the England side has some of the most detestable players on the planet could be contributing to my antipathy towards the national side.
It is even more tragic that we were ahead of Spurs as recently as 2008-09 but all that has been thrown away because of a failure to invest-not Abu Dhabi money but sensible investment-a Donovan here or a Ben Arfa (who we were looking at) there has costs us dearly-sometimes I think that the board doesn?t want CL because they would have to find investment.
And finally, agree about Eng-er-land. I?ve gone from avid supporter to don?t give a flying fuck in 20 years, and I hate it when one of ours is called up. Mind you. it may be because the England side has some of the most detestable players on the planet could be contributing to my antipathy towards the national side.
David H is it a north of England thing to be against England? This is a genuine question as I want Ireland north and south to do well. Actually Wales and Scotland too. Sorry. I've answered my on question. Your last paragraph sums it up.
Moyes's name will always come up. It's because of his ability to bring in/develop good players (unmatched in EPL) and field a competive team despite dire finacial straits.
Everton is at the very, very end of its financial rope, while those above us have potential to win big things only because they're not twisting and turning beside us.
They will get the lion's share of pub, not the 1st Club of England in its current financial state. Just the way it is.
Kenwright OUT!!
Everton is at the very, very end of its financial rope, while those above us have potential to win big things only because they're not twisting and turning beside us.
They will get the lion's share of pub, not the 1st Club of England in its current financial state. Just the way it is.
Kenwright OUT!!
My Manyoo friends are convinced DM is the next manager at Old Trafford. When I commented to one t'other day that we'd not lost a game in which the £500k Gibson had played his immediate response was, "I wonder if he'll take him back with him to old Trafford when he replaces SAF?" My response to that was that Mourinho was more likely the sort to get the job....
Chris (960) - Moyes has worked harder to get us where we are than Mourinho has with any club he's been with. Combine that with ManU's financial situation, Moyes makes sense. Moyes has developed more youngsters than Ferguson.
After all, what exactly would Ferguson have done better these last 10 years if he was at the helm at Goodison? With watching the prodigy of the lifetime, Rooney, gone to Manchester as Moyes suffered?
I don't want Moyes to leave our club. But flip him and Ferguson, same results for both clubs (with EFC producing less, and ManU producing more).
After all, what exactly would Ferguson have done better these last 10 years if he was at the helm at Goodison? With watching the prodigy of the lifetime, Rooney, gone to Manchester as Moyes suffered?
I don't want Moyes to leave our club. But flip him and Ferguson, same results for both clubs (with EFC producing less, and ManU producing more).
James F,
If you think that Moyes has developed more youngsters than SAF then sorry my American friend, but you are talking out of your arse.
SAF has brought through countless youth from Man Utd's academy and reserve sides. Hell even the Golden generation of the 90's (Giggs, Becks, Butt, Scholes & both Nevilles) is almost more then Moyes has developed since he has been here.
I am not even going to draw up comparitive lists.
I would even class Wenger as a better developer of talent/teams than our Davey!!
If you think that Moyes has developed more youngsters than SAF then sorry my American friend, but you are talking out of your arse.
SAF has brought through countless youth from Man Utd's academy and reserve sides. Hell even the Golden generation of the 90's (Giggs, Becks, Butt, Scholes & both Nevilles) is almost more then Moyes has developed since he has been here.
I am not even going to draw up comparitive lists.
I would even class Wenger as a better developer of talent/teams than our Davey!!
James - I'm not Fergusons greatest fan, and it was a different era, but if you put Moyes in charge of a middling Scottish league club do you think he'd come home with three titles, four Scottish Cups, a League Cup, a European Cup Winners Cup and a European Super Cup?
I'd probably say put Ferguson in charge of Everton in 1986 instead of Man Utd and flip their results with ours instead.
I'd probably say put Ferguson in charge of Everton in 1986 instead of Man Utd and flip their results with ours instead.
Bloody hell, just realised I was 13 when Ferguson took over United...... I'm 40 in October. Jesus, that can't be right...... Can it...?
There could be only two clubs that Moyes would ? assuming he is sane ? consider: Manchester United and Manchester City. And the latter has not yet demonstrated that it would be the most appropriate location for a dour Scot with an interest in developing players rather than buying them.
If we equally assume that those who run Man Utd are sane and intelligent, then replacing a serious, tactically astute, player-developing manager with another one 30 years younger would seem to be the simplest, most obvious possible thing to do, and any price whatsoever!
Where else is there? Chelsea... yeah, right! A team full of over-the-hill, largely talent-free goons (Lampard & Terry) or over-the-hill crocks (Drogba) and the rest a bunch of overpriced dross with superb agents capable of fooling dim Russian oligarchs (not the world's most difficult occupation if you have the talent).
Newcastle... ha ha ha, a team from a non-English speaking region where they produce great players like Andy Carroll...
Villa... no money.
Just possibly Arsenal might appeal, but I don't think Moyes and Arsenal would mix than well.
But Spurs? Get real. I think we'd see SAF running England first.
If we equally assume that those who run Man Utd are sane and intelligent, then replacing a serious, tactically astute, player-developing manager with another one 30 years younger would seem to be the simplest, most obvious possible thing to do, and any price whatsoever!
Where else is there? Chelsea... yeah, right! A team full of over-the-hill, largely talent-free goons (Lampard & Terry) or over-the-hill crocks (Drogba) and the rest a bunch of overpriced dross with superb agents capable of fooling dim Russian oligarchs (not the world's most difficult occupation if you have the talent).
Newcastle... ha ha ha, a team from a non-English speaking region where they produce great players like Andy Carroll...
Villa... no money.
Just possibly Arsenal might appeal, but I don't think Moyes and Arsenal would mix than well.
But Spurs? Get real. I think we'd see SAF running England first.
Moyes has invested so much time and effort in Everton from the training ground, youth and up that he isn't going any where.
England? Gave up supporting when El Tel took over. It really was a case of hope they lose for him to be sacked. All this Club England mentality from the players can be traced back to him. Gave up giving a dam entirely when the Swede took over. Now I love seeing England screw up as revenge for them and football becoming what is has.
England? Gave up supporting when El Tel took over. It really was a case of hope they lose for him to be sacked. All this Club England mentality from the players can be traced back to him. Gave up giving a dam entirely when the Swede took over. Now I love seeing England screw up as revenge for them and football becoming what is has.
I have the same attitude towards England as I do towards the RS - always want their opponents to win.
Not surprising really being a Welsh Evertonian.
Not surprising really being a Welsh Evertonian.
If (big if) moyes does get tempted by the spurs job i believe he will end up regretting it like pienaar has. Yes, the money would be nice for him to spend but will he get the freedom to manage how he wants? Plus he has already said that after all he has put into everton he doesnt want to see someone else come in and take the glory if (big if) we do get that much needed investment. I think he will stay, just hoping that its under another chairman - kenwright needs to go for the good of the club
Oh and regarding England - i love my country but our FA are a set of wankers only interested in themselves and the perks of being members. The whole of our FA needs shifting about otherwise we will always be light years behind other nations. Apparently we are 3rd or 4th favourites for the Euros! What a load of tosh - we will be lucky to get out of the group!
National side are a joke, one trophy in 100 years and for decades its been one excuse after another instead of acknowledging they are just shite. Each new manager does the same too, promises of changes and the same up their own arse faces year in year out, the owest form of humans in the country to select and they are nailed on starters.
Back to the article and Spurs, so what, they don't have a history like ours but in every other way they are going places with investment and development, you'd be myopic to say right now they aren't a better ran business in every way, Everton simply aren't and are unlikely to be in the near to medium future.
Back to the article and Spurs, so what, they don't have a history like ours but in every other way they are going places with investment and development, you'd be myopic to say right now they aren't a better ran business in every way, Everton simply aren't and are unlikely to be in the near to medium future.
No,David,Spurs are not among `the giants of Europe`,merely a very well run club controlled by a very business orientated major shareholder who have enjoyed a spell of relative success under Sky Sports` favourite manager.
Oh,and they are based in London!
Oh,and they are based in London!
I have been wondering about Spurs. Are they just another Portsmouth paying players way above their means?
Their gates are the same as ours, though they probably get a decent sponsorship income unlike our 2 bob deal.
Best thing for football if they didn't go belly up because the more clubs who can mix it with the usual suspects for CL places the better. Finally the Sky 4 have been broken.
Their gates are the same as ours, though they probably get a decent sponsorship income unlike our 2 bob deal.
Best thing for football if they didn't go belly up because the more clubs who can mix it with the usual suspects for CL places the better. Finally the Sky 4 have been broken.
Can't stand Spur's but a guess as I still carry a small scar from a sharpened coin chucked by one of their lot, that's not surprising.
I think it would be hilarious if Moyes managed them.... next North London Derby he could rest half the squad, for a forthcoming Europa game & let the 'Arse' humiliate them.
I think it would be hilarious if Moyes managed them.... next North London Derby he could rest half the squad, for a forthcoming Europa game & let the 'Arse' humiliate them.
The gap between us is not so big, look at the money they've invested just to even break into that top 4. You have to invest so much more just to stay there. This season will be crucial for them, signings of the likes of Saha and Nelsen will not be enough to keep the likes of Modric and Bale there. Spurs have always had cast offs that they can sell for top prices just because of their position in London which raises their transfer funds. If they dop out the top four though or fail to keep making it we all know how easy it is to drop down a few levels when you lose a few players (as we saw in the first half of the season). A slight improvement by us and a stumble by them would see us back on a level playing field very soon as they odn't have the advantage over us in stadium, commerical revenue, or wealthy benefactor on the scale that City have.
David, Spurs do have a billionaire behind them - Joe Lewis. Enic (the major shareholder in Spurs) is his investment vehicle and Daniel Levy, his Enic business partner, is a very astute businessman. Add to that they are also a very well run outfit from a business sense. They have recently also been shrewed in the transfer market, e.g. (bought Berbatov for 11m and sold him for 30m, sold Robbie Keane to Liverpool for 20m and then bought him back again 6 months later for 12m are a couple that spring to mind. Add to that VdV only cost them 8m and started on a reported 45k a week (subsequently increased to 70k a week - still less than Fellaini gets, I know which player I'd rather have!).
I have a lot of mates who are spurs fans so have to disagree with your opinion on them - have been to many an Everton v Spurs game at WHL sat in the home end and other than friendly banter, never had any issues if we got a result (admitedly I would b sitting with mates who are spurs fans...). I actually quite like Tottenham, its a side that always seem to at least try to play football the way it should be played - am happy for them to break up the sky 4/5 if we can't do it If you dont find it entertaining watching the likes of VdV, Bale, Adebayor, Modric etc, then I would question if you actually like football at all.
England? Really could not give a shite, happy to see them lose to finally drive home the fact that that they are not one of the best teams in the world. Every national tournament, England always seem to be one of the favourites, it's a joke. The price attached to English players is also ridiculous.
Re Moyes, I really cannot see Spurs coming in for him. 10 years or not, I cannot imagine Spurs hiring a manager that has regularly started games without a recognised striker Still stranger things have happened - we signed Moyes when he was a no mark.
I have a lot of mates who are spurs fans so have to disagree with your opinion on them - have been to many an Everton v Spurs game at WHL sat in the home end and other than friendly banter, never had any issues if we got a result (admitedly I would b sitting with mates who are spurs fans...). I actually quite like Tottenham, its a side that always seem to at least try to play football the way it should be played - am happy for them to break up the sky 4/5 if we can't do it If you dont find it entertaining watching the likes of VdV, Bale, Adebayor, Modric etc, then I would question if you actually like football at all.
England? Really could not give a shite, happy to see them lose to finally drive home the fact that that they are not one of the best teams in the world. Every national tournament, England always seem to be one of the favourites, it's a joke. The price attached to English players is also ridiculous.
Re Moyes, I really cannot see Spurs coming in for him. 10 years or not, I cannot imagine Spurs hiring a manager that has regularly started games without a recognised striker Still stranger things have happened - we signed Moyes when he was a no mark.
I think we're a bigger club with a bigger fanbase than Tottenham but if you had endured ten years at a club without winning any silverware, had to operate on a tight budget, and cannot see change in any future transfer dealings, then you should jump at the opportunity to finally prove yourself with a club that will give you a decent transfer budget and can attract better quality players.
David Moyes has proved himself at this club. He has taken us as far as he can. Ten years at a club is more than enough time and it is time for him to move on but, if I was a betting man, I would put everything I own on him staying. I expect talk of how lucky we are to have him and how loyal he is... but it comes down to ambition and hiding behind excusses.
David Moyes has proved himself at this club. He has taken us as far as he can. Ten years at a club is more than enough time and it is time for him to move on but, if I was a betting man, I would put everything I own on him staying. I expect talk of how lucky we are to have him and how loyal he is... but it comes down to ambition and hiding behind excusses.
No way Spurs will turn to Moyes. They will want a Mourinho or failing that their fall back option will be Rogers.
David, I enjoyed reading your post as I hate Spurs as much as I hate the media.
Make sure you dont listen to talkSPORT (talkSHITE) when the season's over because it becomes Radio Tottenham and your head will probably explode with anger.
Make sure you dont listen to talkSPORT (talkSHITE) when the season's over because it becomes Radio Tottenham and your head will probably explode with anger.
Perhaps Martin Jol back to Spurs? Stranger things have happened (like Burton and Taylor ... ).
He never should have been replaced by Ramos, and it was the now RS fool Comoli that triggered it. Jol's a good manager and already did very well at Spurs once. In fact, if Moyes leaves, Jol is probably on my short list for next manager of Everton.
And he likes to play proper football.
Kudos to Davey, seems like he's finally learned to not sit back on 1-0. The signings of Jelly and Gibson and loan of Pienaar have transformed us from the start of the season.
I hope he keeps playing Gibson to make sure he is ready for the RS, as he needs games still, and rests Fellaini next weekend altogether.
He never should have been replaced by Ramos, and it was the now RS fool Comoli that triggered it. Jol's a good manager and already did very well at Spurs once. In fact, if Moyes leaves, Jol is probably on my short list for next manager of Everton.
And he likes to play proper football.
Kudos to Davey, seems like he's finally learned to not sit back on 1-0. The signings of Jelly and Gibson and loan of Pienaar have transformed us from the start of the season.
I hope he keeps playing Gibson to make sure he is ready for the RS, as he needs games still, and rests Fellaini next weekend altogether.
As for the OP, it is saddening the profile Everton and other great clubs have in some quarters. And Everton have even been a top half and often a top 6 team for much of the last 10 years. It's not like we're PNE or Accrington Stanley.
Moyes does what he does best and promotes David Moyes. He is trying all the tricks in the book to get in the papers, Even championing the idea of the managers taking pay cuts. His contract is up soon after all and wants to keep his name in the hat for the future jobs at Man Utd and Spurs. I will be surprised if he gets a sniff at either of those jobs.
As has been already said, Spurs always like to have managers that produce teams that play pretty football, I can't see them going for another George Graham type of manager, mind you George Graham has won numerous things, Moyes aint. As for Man Utd, the only chance he has is if Ferguson recommends him, it would be a step backwards for them I think taking Moyes on.
As has been already said, Spurs always like to have managers that produce teams that play pretty football, I can't see them going for another George Graham type of manager, mind you George Graham has won numerous things, Moyes aint. As for Man Utd, the only chance he has is if Ferguson recommends him, it would be a step backwards for them I think taking Moyes on.
I don't get the dislike for Tottenham here, there's a lot of similarities between ourselves and them. There's gate, fanbase, history, previously one of the big five, neighbours shadow, can't win at Old Trafford, Arsenal, et al.
I know several Spurs fans who emphatise with us and want us to do well, so the fact that they are well and astutely run means we should slag them off, eh I think there's more important fish to fry right now.
Worry about it if it happens.
I know several Spurs fans who emphatise with us and want us to do well, so the fact that they are well and astutely run means we should slag them off, eh I think there's more important fish to fry right now.
Worry about it if it happens.
Jewish accountant? Yid Army?
It's funny how ignorant and hateful statements negate whatever other points you have to say. Even more so when you talk about THEIR delusional fan base. Time to look in the mirror. This is a written public forum, you're not at the pub with your mates. Treat it as such.
It's funny how ignorant and hateful statements negate whatever other points you have to say. Even more so when you talk about THEIR delusional fan base. Time to look in the mirror. This is a written public forum, you're not at the pub with your mates. Treat it as such.
They (Spurs) can only trump us in one vital area, money. God knows how?
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It has nothing to do with one season of CL football; it has nothing to do with Kenwright's/others' poor stewarship of Everton (re Dave Hallwood above).
Spurs is a north London club with probably the wealthiest fans of any prem league club in the country.
Everton is a scouse club with possibly on average the (sorry about this - not trying to be rude) the poorest in money terms in the country. Bear in mind, Liverpool have a large fanbase outside Liverpool including London, so on average are wealthier than us. The relative decline of Everton is mirrored by that of the city over a very long period.
Just compare a couple of things: house prices in London - they have fallen despite the media going on about Prime London, and are down 15-20%, but they had quadrupled in ten years and reached an average of well over £300k - vs Liverpool. And compare season ticket prices Spurs v Everton.
If the following source is correct: The cheapest adult tickets costs £690 and the most expensive is £1,800.
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/03/28/tottenham-hotspur-to-raise-season-ticket-prices-despite-no-promise-of-champions-league-football/
This only got reflected in football terms when money got so important in the game - post 92. We may have been one of the key clubs pushing for the founding of the PL, but I reckon it has cost us dearly (though, it may have happened without Sky/Prem anyway). Our revenues have spiked, but nowhere near as much with other clubs.
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It has nothing to do with one season of CL football; it has nothing to do with Kenwright's/others' poor stewarship of Everton (re Dave Hallwood above).
Spurs is a north London club with probably the wealthiest fans of any prem league club in the country.
Everton is a scouse club with possibly on average the (sorry about this - not trying to be rude) the poorest in money terms in the country. Bear in mind, Liverpool have a large fanbase outside Liverpool including London, so on average are wealthier than us. The relative decline of Everton is mirrored by that of the city over a very long period.
Just compare a couple of things: house prices in London - they have fallen despite the media going on about Prime London, and are down 15-20%, but they had quadrupled in ten years and reached an average of well over £300k - vs Liverpool. And compare season ticket prices Spurs v Everton.
If the following source is correct: The cheapest adult tickets costs £690 and the most expensive is £1,800.
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/03/28/tottenham-hotspur-to-raise-season-ticket-prices-despite-no-promise-of-champions-league-football/
This only got reflected in football terms when money got so important in the game - post 92. We may have been one of the key clubs pushing for the founding of the PL, but I reckon it has cost us dearly (though, it may have happened without Sky/Prem anyway). Our revenues have spiked, but nowhere near as much with other clubs.
It always struck me as crass stupidity to proclaim hatred of an entire team's supporters.
Dan Doran #134. Had 2 Spurs fans on my facebook calling themselves 'Yids' & 'Yid Army'... It isn't a drama so don't over-dramatise it.....
As for the post, I think Moyes could do a decent job anywhere. Spurs have somehow(????) always had money to spend.
This is where DM needs to prove himself, whether it be in London, Manchaster, or (ideally) here. In all honesty no other manager compares to him result wise compared to money spent in the last 20 years. The big question is can he make that next step??
As for the post, I think Moyes could do a decent job anywhere. Spurs have somehow(????) always had money to spend.
This is where DM needs to prove himself, whether it be in London, Manchaster, or (ideally) here. In all honesty no other manager compares to him result wise compared to money spent in the last 20 years. The big question is can he make that next step??
Sorry....10 years...typo!
Rest easy in your beds,Peter Smith of the Mirror has just told Sky`s Sunday Supplement that he`s been assured that `no club in London wants David Moyes`. So there!
Like several people on this thread I know a number of Spurs fans. They're nice people and I've nothing against them or their club, which always plays or tries to play attractive football. It's also good to see a team other than the usual suspects and newly mega-rich Citteh competing at the top end of the table.
I've long held the view, though, that however well or badly Spurs are doing they get a disproportionate amount of attention from the media and, typically, if they lose against a "lesser" team such as us, the analysis tends to concentrate on their failings rather than the strengths of the team that beats them. Why? I think there's an element of their being the darlings of the London-based media, many of whom are probably Spurs supporters or, if from outside London originally, have taken to watching Spurs. Beyond this, though, I believe that it has something to do with the perception that, however badly they sometimes do, they remain a "big" club that will soon return to former glories.
Our problem is that as national media commentators and reporters, who are mostly based in London, become younger, they have no personal recollection of Everton as a major force and either don't know or don't particularly care about our history. As far as they're concerned we're a middling provincial club, living in the shadow of a giant neighbour and without the resources to do much about it. Citteh were viewed in much the same way until Mansour came along and perceptions of us will only change if we ever do manage to acquire a billionaire owner. It's galling for us to be regarded as plucky little Everton and I remember being annoyed by the programme notes at a Chelsea v. Everton game a few years ago which said something like "Everton have usually struggled to compete". I thought, "B----y h-ll, what have Chelski won compared with us" but the person who wrote the notes probably had no idea of our history and was simply referring to how poorly we'd done in the years (s)he could remember.
In an age in which financial clout counts for everything we'll continue to be regarded as an over achieving smaller club, with no recent history of success but a manager who works miracles on a shoestring (as, in fairness, he does) until either the current financial model of football collapses or the unlikely happens and we somehow join the billionaire elite.
As for David Moyes, I think he'll stay with us until, as many United fans I know think and hope will happen, he succeeds Sir Alex. I just hope that SAF goes on for while longer!
I've long held the view, though, that however well or badly Spurs are doing they get a disproportionate amount of attention from the media and, typically, if they lose against a "lesser" team such as us, the analysis tends to concentrate on their failings rather than the strengths of the team that beats them. Why? I think there's an element of their being the darlings of the London-based media, many of whom are probably Spurs supporters or, if from outside London originally, have taken to watching Spurs. Beyond this, though, I believe that it has something to do with the perception that, however badly they sometimes do, they remain a "big" club that will soon return to former glories.
Our problem is that as national media commentators and reporters, who are mostly based in London, become younger, they have no personal recollection of Everton as a major force and either don't know or don't particularly care about our history. As far as they're concerned we're a middling provincial club, living in the shadow of a giant neighbour and without the resources to do much about it. Citteh were viewed in much the same way until Mansour came along and perceptions of us will only change if we ever do manage to acquire a billionaire owner. It's galling for us to be regarded as plucky little Everton and I remember being annoyed by the programme notes at a Chelsea v. Everton game a few years ago which said something like "Everton have usually struggled to compete". I thought, "B----y h-ll, what have Chelski won compared with us" but the person who wrote the notes probably had no idea of our history and was simply referring to how poorly we'd done in the years (s)he could remember.
In an age in which financial clout counts for everything we'll continue to be regarded as an over achieving smaller club, with no recent history of success but a manager who works miracles on a shoestring (as, in fairness, he does) until either the current financial model of football collapses or the unlikely happens and we somehow join the billionaire elite.
As for David Moyes, I think he'll stay with us until, as many United fans I know think and hope will happen, he succeeds Sir Alex. I just hope that SAF goes on for while longer!
Watch Moyes/Kenwright `Love In` on Sky Sports 1 NOW!
Yes, we beat Spurs 1-0 but they did play us off the park for that second half. They're a good team, play the sort of football we all want to see. I much prefer them to any of the other London clubs; also, the Hammers have always played good footy. I'm looking fwd to a spurs Everton cup final.
With a sensible investment and a decent business model, Everton can start to push on and come out of the shadow of the Shite. As far as Moyes is concerned, he has 10 years in charge but the 'knife to a gunfight' shit and derby game fiasco means the jury is still out.
With a sensible investment and a decent business model, Everton can start to push on and come out of the shadow of the Shite. As far as Moyes is concerned, he has 10 years in charge but the 'knife to a gunfight' shit and derby game fiasco means the jury is still out.
Moyes to Spurs? God help em,
Moyes to Spurs? God help us!
Moyes blew his job interview for every major club in existence when he rested players for the FUCKING MERSEYSIDE DERBY.
WHAT A PRAT
WHAT A PRAT
Moyes has developed more youngsters than Ferguson?
That statement has made my day... really funny
That statement has made my day... really funny
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952 Posted 31/03/2012 at 01:19:26
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I agree with you on Spurs fans, by the way, horribly arrogant with very little reason to be so. Personally I think DM would get on with them like a cat with a dog. I don't care about England either..... I am Welsh.