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Everton train at Goodison Park
39 Comments: I took my young son to watch everton train at Goodison Park this morning. It was very enjoyable watching them get put through their training and see what they do; all the different exercises and set pieces.
They finished off split into two teams and what I found surprising was that both teams didn't take it easy, they both got stuck in with some meaty challenges flying in. Watching from the sidelines, not batting an eyelid, was David Moyes who must encourage playing it at proper match tempo which was good to see.
The only downside was the absence of Marouane Fellaini... hope he's just having a rest. And the other was no-one was allowed to take photos inside.
Anyway, it was a enjoyable day and some little Nazi steward wasn't going to spoil it by acting like a stormtrooper every time someone got their phone out.
COYB.
Michael Summers, Posted 03/04/2012 at 15:28:50
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Mark Stone
632 Posted 03/04/2012 at 19:08:49
632 Posted 03/04/2012 at 19:08:49
Talk me through Hibbo's goal ...
Mike Hayes
647 Posted 03/04/2012 at 20:19:06
647 Posted 03/04/2012 at 20:19:06
Glad you both enjoyed the day.
I beleive it was just for season ticket holders and Evertonia members, although tickets were free. I took my lads along last year and we all (3) enjoyed the day and getting autographs later on.
When we heard about it last year we were told it was sort of on the hush-hush as they didin't want a rowdy element there. I take it this time was no different.
Well boo hoo, they should have invited as many in that want to come to watch them train especially with the semi final coming up, the chance of Moyes getting the fans back behind him (after ruining many of their hopes against the RS) and seeing the team in action.
To add insult to injury they stop people taking photographs inside. The PR machine is going to implode and one day it might just backfire in their faces.
COYB but Moyes OUT (Sorry)
I beleive it was just for season ticket holders and Evertonia members, although tickets were free. I took my lads along last year and we all (3) enjoyed the day and getting autographs later on.
When we heard about it last year we were told it was sort of on the hush-hush as they didin't want a rowdy element there. I take it this time was no different.
Well boo hoo, they should have invited as many in that want to come to watch them train especially with the semi final coming up, the chance of Moyes getting the fans back behind him (after ruining many of their hopes against the RS) and seeing the team in action.
To add insult to injury they stop people taking photographs inside. The PR machine is going to implode and one day it might just backfire in their faces.
COYB but Moyes OUT (Sorry)
John Nugent
658 Posted 03/04/2012 at 21:19:20
658 Posted 03/04/2012 at 21:19:20
Michael.
Felli was getting an MRI scan today.
Let's hope all is well.
Felli was getting an MRI scan today.
Let's hope all is well.
Derek Thomas
659 Posted 03/04/2012 at 21:20:59
659 Posted 03/04/2012 at 21:20:59
Fellaini was rested incase he gets a Yellow, though more likely the knock he got on Sat.
Geoff; we all know what a Nazi was 70yrs ago and we should never forget it either, but words, meanings, and applications change, evolve, in a homeopathic way eg what in large amounts is poison and can kill you, used in a miniscule way has a different effect.
For instance; I will stop being a language nazi if you stop being a PC nazi
Geoff; we all know what a Nazi was 70yrs ago and we should never forget it either, but words, meanings, and applications change, evolve, in a homeopathic way eg what in large amounts is poison and can kill you, used in a miniscule way has a different effect.
For instance; I will stop being a language nazi if you stop being a PC nazi
Dennis Stevens
661 Posted 03/04/2012 at 21:35:33
661 Posted 03/04/2012 at 21:35:33
Indeed Derek, it doesn't do to be too literal with terms - after all one could well argue the Nazis were even less 'socialist' than New Labour!
Rory Brennan
662 Posted 03/04/2012 at 21:50:57
662 Posted 03/04/2012 at 21:50:57
Glad you and your lad enjoyed it. I'd love to go next time that happens.
Please God Fellaini is okay.
Please God Fellaini is okay.
Dean Adams
667 Posted 03/04/2012 at 22:38:41
667 Posted 03/04/2012 at 22:38:41
Derek Thomas
"Fellaini was rested incase he gets a Yellow, though more likely the knock he got on Sat."
Now that really is taking it serious in training!!!!
"Fellaini was rested incase he gets a Yellow, though more likely the knock he got on Sat."
Now that really is taking it serious in training!!!!
Dick Fearon
674 Posted 03/04/2012 at 23:10:54
674 Posted 03/04/2012 at 23:10:54
Has anyone else noticed that very often when one of our players fronts the media he does not play in the next game.
Yesterday it was Fellaini's turn to be in the limelight. Hope he is being saved for the semi.
Yesterday it was Fellaini's turn to be in the limelight. Hope he is being saved for the semi.
Michael Summers
676 Posted 03/04/2012 at 22:59:37
676 Posted 03/04/2012 at 22:59:37
Mark 632. Sorry mate, would you believe it ? my son wanted one of them 3 fuckin foot hot dogs, so I missed it... but it wasn't a match they played, it must've being in the set pieces they were practising.
Also, I would like to apologise to any one I offended by using the word 'Nazi' ? he was just an annoying little prick. COYB
Also, I would like to apologise to any one I offended by using the word 'Nazi' ? he was just an annoying little prick. COYB
Stan Sheppard
679 Posted 03/04/2012 at 23:34:45
679 Posted 03/04/2012 at 23:34:45
Well said Derek!
Thanks for the write up Michael, sounds like a very enjoyable day.
Thanks for the write up Michael, sounds like a very enjoyable day.
Alex Kociuba
680 Posted 03/04/2012 at 23:53:05
680 Posted 03/04/2012 at 23:53:05
Fellaini was tackled from behind towards the end of the West Brom game. He says he has a sore achilles but will be okay.
Ciaran Duff
686 Posted 04/04/2012 at 00:19:10
686 Posted 04/04/2012 at 00:19:10
I think cameras are banned so that nobody can capture any footage of Tony Hibbert skipping past a few players and chipping Howard to score!
Eric Myles
694 Posted 04/04/2012 at 02:15:52
694 Posted 04/04/2012 at 02:15:52
Nice one, Ciaran, maybe also so Moyes tactics can't be leaked to the opposition prior to the next game. ;-))
Rory Slingo
695 Posted 04/04/2012 at 03:18:41
695 Posted 04/04/2012 at 03:18:41
Michael, did the "Scottish Rooney" do any training?
Russell Buckley
696 Posted 04/04/2012 at 03:32:22
696 Posted 04/04/2012 at 03:32:22
Was Drenthe there or still away?
Paul Rimmer
698 Posted 04/04/2012 at 04:24:03
698 Posted 04/04/2012 at 04:24:03
Drenthe, Coleman, Rodwell and McFadded took a full part... no Ossie, Gueye or Felli.
Light running, simple passing through / around a gate, 10-a-side keep-ball, 10-a-side match on 2/3 pitch, and a drill involving crossing and shooting.
A few observations:
? Moyes led this session ? it was him barking the orders and organising each section. I can't see many other managers being so involved in this side of things.
? It was a high tempo match and there were one or two tasty challenges - Baines and Drenthe had words at one point! Why no shinpads if it's like this?
? No set-piece or penalties being practiced - I can understand this at an open session.
? The standard of passing and especially shooting was poor. The amount of times the ball was lost to the opposition was almost comedic (Coleman and Jelavic particularly).
? I was impressed with a few ? Baxter and a tall lad who almost broke the Park End goal with a rocket of a shot... who is he?!
Light running, simple passing through / around a gate, 10-a-side keep-ball, 10-a-side match on 2/3 pitch, and a drill involving crossing and shooting.
A few observations:
? Moyes led this session ? it was him barking the orders and organising each section. I can't see many other managers being so involved in this side of things.
? It was a high tempo match and there were one or two tasty challenges - Baines and Drenthe had words at one point! Why no shinpads if it's like this?
? No set-piece or penalties being practiced - I can understand this at an open session.
? The standard of passing and especially shooting was poor. The amount of times the ball was lost to the opposition was almost comedic (Coleman and Jelavic particularly).
? I was impressed with a few ? Baxter and a tall lad who almost broke the Park End goal with a rocket of a shot... who is he?!
Paul Rimmer
700 Posted 04/04/2012 at 05:01:15
700 Posted 04/04/2012 at 05:01:15
No Pienaar either.
Geoff Trenner
709 Posted 04/04/2012 at 07:57:47
709 Posted 04/04/2012 at 07:57:47
Derek, surely the point is that in your example the word 'pedant' would be more appropriate. Nazi has such awful connotations for very many people, myself included. Michael's response 'he was just an annoying little prick' makes my point I think.
If you think Nazis only existed 70 years ago then I'm afraid that you are sadly misinformed. I appreciate that this isn't really the forum for this discussion so perhaps we'll just agree to differ on this one. COYB
If you think Nazis only existed 70 years ago then I'm afraid that you are sadly misinformed. I appreciate that this isn't really the forum for this discussion so perhaps we'll just agree to differ on this one. COYB
Tony J Williams
759 Posted 04/04/2012 at 12:08:46
759 Posted 04/04/2012 at 12:08:46
Oh shurrup Geoff!, FFS. PC nazis do my head in.
Geoff Trenner
762 Posted 04/04/2012 at 12:21:11
762 Posted 04/04/2012 at 12:21:11
Thanks Tony, a lack of tolerance of different views is certainly a characteristic of real Nazism.
Anthony Jones
766 Posted 04/04/2012 at 12:34:19
766 Posted 04/04/2012 at 12:34:19
Geoff, does your original post not show intolerance of other people's use of language? Using the word to make an explicit tongue-in-cheek comment is not quite the same as advocating the philosophy. Chill out.
Tony J Williams
767 Posted 04/04/2012 at 12:26:54
767 Posted 04/04/2012 at 12:26:54
Isn't that exactly what you are guilty off too Geoff? Intolerant to Michael's lighthearted likening of the steward to a nazi.
No one else mentioned it, but is it warping your delicate little mind? (copyright South Park) better not mention South Park, they are a little risque too.... Jahova...etc etc
No one else mentioned it, but is it warping your delicate little mind? (copyright South Park) better not mention South Park, they are a little risque too.... Jahova...etc etc
Mark Stone
772 Posted 04/04/2012 at 13:00:13
772 Posted 04/04/2012 at 13:00:13
There is a video of the open training session on the Daily Post website. I will warn you, this took ages to load on my laptop, and it is shit so not worth the wait. Its just a snapshot of the warm up and cool down! Anyway, if anyone can be bothered:
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2012/04/03/video-everton-fc-players-put-through-paces-in-open-training-session-at-goodison-park-100252-30684668/
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2012/04/03/video-everton-fc-players-put-through-paces-in-open-training-session-at-goodison-park-100252-30684668/
Geoff Trenner
774 Posted 04/04/2012 at 13:05:10
774 Posted 04/04/2012 at 13:05:10
Tony, I don't believe that 'I think we need to be careful about use of the word Nazi' shows intolerance - just suggesting that it may not have been the most appropriate word under the circumstances.
Whereas (in my opinion) 'Oh shurrup Geoff!, FFS' is intolerant.
I don't have a delicate little mind, just a vivid memory of what horrors the real Nazis perpetrated on my family.
As I said earlier, this isn't the forum for this discussion, we are clearly of different minds on this & thankfully in this country at this time we are allowed to be so!
Whereas (in my opinion) 'Oh shurrup Geoff!, FFS' is intolerant.
I don't have a delicate little mind, just a vivid memory of what horrors the real Nazis perpetrated on my family.
As I said earlier, this isn't the forum for this discussion, we are clearly of different minds on this & thankfully in this country at this time we are allowed to be so!
Tony J Williams
775 Posted 04/04/2012 at 13:16:51
775 Posted 04/04/2012 at 13:16:51
Great sob story Geoff, apologise if any offence is taken but you are still being a PC worrior on a lighthearted footy site.
In breaking news the FA have stated that any Everton player man marking Andy Carroll at Wembley will be booked for time wasting.
In breaking news the FA have stated that any Everton player man marking Andy Carroll at Wembley will be booked for time wasting.
Michael Summers
783 Posted 04/04/2012 at 13:24:28
783 Posted 04/04/2012 at 13:24:28
Geoff, I am truly sort if I have upset you about using the word Nazi and causing a row. I did not mean to cause you or your family any distress or any one else who suffered under there regime and sincerely apologise.
Geoff Trenner
784 Posted 04/04/2012 at 13:22:59
784 Posted 04/04/2012 at 13:22:59
Fair enough Tony ? you are entitled to your opinion on my being a PC warrior & I take your point about TW being a lighthearted footy site.
I wasn't actually offended as such it's just that, perhaps as I'm of the older generation, I find that casual use of strongly emotive words dilutes their ability to shock. It's the same with the 'f word' (if that's not too twee for you) which has become a casual part of everyday conversation & has therefore ceased to convey any real meaning. When I was younger, it was quite shocking to hear it used! If & when you ever actually meet a real Nazi you'll perhaps understand my point
I wasn't actually offended as such it's just that, perhaps as I'm of the older generation, I find that casual use of strongly emotive words dilutes their ability to shock. It's the same with the 'f word' (if that's not too twee for you) which has become a casual part of everyday conversation & has therefore ceased to convey any real meaning. When I was younger, it was quite shocking to hear it used! If & when you ever actually meet a real Nazi you'll perhaps understand my point
Norman Merrill
793 Posted 04/04/2012 at 14:39:35
793 Posted 04/04/2012 at 14:39:35
Michael, thanks for the info, I had a ticket, but unfortunately was stuck in front of my laptop, waiting to get on line for my Wembley ticket.
From 8am till mid afternoon, but alls well now for the
14th April. COYB.
From 8am till mid afternoon, but alls well now for the
14th April. COYB.
Anthony Jones
803 Posted 04/04/2012 at 12:34:19
803 Posted 04/04/2012 at 12:34:19
Geoff, does your original post not show intolerance of other people's use of language? Using the word to make an explicit tongue in cheek comment is not quite the same as advocating the philosophy. Chill out.
Geoff Trenner
804 Posted 04/04/2012 at 15:49:57
804 Posted 04/04/2012 at 15:49:57
Michael, thank you for that. There is really no need to apologise but I appreciate your sentiment.
Dave Roberts
811 Posted 04/04/2012 at 16:31:22
811 Posted 04/04/2012 at 16:31:22
Geoff Trenner (762)
' A lack of tolerance of different views'?
It may be a Nazi trait but it's also reminiscent of a lot of Kopites I know.
Just thought I'd make the point!
' A lack of tolerance of different views'?
It may be a Nazi trait but it's also reminiscent of a lot of Kopites I know.
Just thought I'd make the point!
Stephen Kenny
814 Posted 04/04/2012 at 16:45:43
814 Posted 04/04/2012 at 16:45:43
Tony,
I think the comments after yours show this isn't a lighthearted site at all.
Geoff is well within his rights to ask for a change in language, which he did in a respectful manner.
Some of the shit posted back to him is nasty and done from behind a keyboard means it's a shithouses trick too.
I think the comments after yours show this isn't a lighthearted site at all.
Geoff is well within his rights to ask for a change in language, which he did in a respectful manner.
Some of the shit posted back to him is nasty and done from behind a keyboard means it's a shithouses trick too.
Alex Kociuba
815 Posted 04/04/2012 at 16:48:18
815 Posted 04/04/2012 at 16:48:18
Geoff and anyone else I'd recommend this documentary:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486585/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486585/
Geoff Trenner
816 Posted 04/04/2012 at 16:57:52
816 Posted 04/04/2012 at 16:57:52
Alex, I'll take a look at that when I've got a new soundboard in my PC.
I'm guessing from your surname that you are like myself from Polish stock.
I'm guessing from your surname that you are like myself from Polish stock.
Harry Wallace
840 Posted 04/04/2012 at 20:54:54
840 Posted 04/04/2012 at 20:54:54
Geoff, take a chill pill. No wonder UK folk are scared these days of offending people. He meant no ill feeling so leave it.
Ste Traverse
846 Posted 04/04/2012 at 21:22:14
846 Posted 04/04/2012 at 21:22:14
I'll get slaughtered for this but surely people have better things to do with their life than watch our players fucking TRAIN??
Mark Stone
848 Posted 04/04/2012 at 21:27:19
848 Posted 04/04/2012 at 21:27:19
And rightly so. I certainly don't have the time to head down to Goodison Park on a Tuesday afternoon, but this is the Easter holidays and the open training session is no doubt aimed mainly at children. As a kid, I would have loved to go and watch Everton train. Also, given that it was free, it might have people who can't afford to take their children to go and watch Everton in the premier league, take them to go and see their heroes in real life - and maybe to go and visit Goodison for the first time.
Lyndon Lloyd
Editorial Team
857 Posted 04/04/2012 at 22:12:37
Editorial Team
857 Posted 04/04/2012 at 22:12:37
I think Anthony (803) pretty much hits the nail on the head. Closing the thread because people just get too het up about words and language these days.
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631 Posted 03/04/2012 at 19:04:09
Glad you & your boy enjoyed the day though Michael