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I've read a lot of comments about Moyes today and his tactics and dithering.
I'd like to put this across in what is hopefully a balanced view of today.
You can't blame Moyes for the 2 separate moments of sheer stupidity that cost us the game.
Distin made what I would call a £35k wrong decision.
He's a professional footballer who gets paid circa that amount per week. Rather than doing what 99.9% of us would do and send the ball into the stands,he backed his ability and got it wrong. He got it wrong, He made the wrong choice. It's not a coaching or motivational issue, it's human error.
Prior to that error, first 5 mins of the second half aside, we were the better team. Liverpool could have played till tomorrow and not have scored.
Coleman was sent on as an out ball, to run the channels, he again is guilty of human error in respect that he made a stupid pointless tackle with Gerrard going nowhere.
Moyes and Round spent a lot of time giving him instructions on what was required and expected. Perhaps Neville should have guided him a little better in coming back to defend and go forward. But, Coleman is no novice, surely he should have known right and wrongs of diving in around the box.
Again, this is not down to tactics or motivation.
If Moyes had started with Neville in midfield and Anichebe on the right with Osman on the left, he would deserve everything he gets by way of abuse for completely destroying the balance of the team.
This was the team who walked through Sunderland without having to move up the gears, and there were no individual errors. The tactics were perfect, as was today until 2 very unfortunate decisions.
After their second goal, to try and rescue the game with 3 minutes to go is asking the near impossible, you cant blame tactics for that.
I would have been happy to go into extra time and get the opportunity to re-group and re-asses.
It didn't end that way and as a club and fan base we have to move forward as positively as we can. It does hurt and hurts like hell.
Please try and find a little consideration for the manager and coach after this, it was individual error and not the wrong game plan that cost us today. After an hour, none of us were complaining?
Matthew Barry, Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:29:46
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A reasoned response, Matthew. Individual errors cost us the game today but...... We created little, we sat back at 1-0. We were,overall. poor and appeared to be devoid of self belief. Moyes cannot be blamed for individual errors but the whole performance,errors aside, was typical fearful Moyes capitulation.
A £35k a week wrong descision...
Unbelievable sentence...
Unbelievable sentence...
"Please try and find a little consideration for the manager and coach after this"
Sorry, but this manager cost us the game. He should have gone for the 2nd goal from the start of the 2nd half...then these errors would not have been an issue. He stripped the players of confidence, that's why mistakes were made. Can you imagine, 1-0 up in a FA Cup final against your rivals and your manager at half time says just sit back and defend! He should have been pushing them on. His pre-match comments and his poor defensive tactics in the 2nd half cost us the match.
Let me remind you, the worst Liverpool team I've seen in years with a third choice keeper...and we went defensive after half time.
The man is a disgrace and should take full blame for today. The cheek of him to blame the players afterwards is disgusting. Coleman is a young player having a rough season, to publicly blame him is shocking.
Sorry, but this manager cost us the game. He should have gone for the 2nd goal from the start of the 2nd half...then these errors would not have been an issue. He stripped the players of confidence, that's why mistakes were made. Can you imagine, 1-0 up in a FA Cup final against your rivals and your manager at half time says just sit back and defend! He should have been pushing them on. His pre-match comments and his poor defensive tactics in the 2nd half cost us the match.
Let me remind you, the worst Liverpool team I've seen in years with a third choice keeper...and we went defensive after half time.
The man is a disgrace and should take full blame for today. The cheek of him to blame the players afterwards is disgusting. Coleman is a young player having a rough season, to publicly blame him is shocking.
Sorry, semi final...dreaming I guess!
Matthew.
2 individual errors cost us the game ?
Nothing to do with the fact that their 3rd choice goalie had hardly a save to make ?
Nothing to do with the fact that my fucking dog could have beat them in the second half ?
Could go on really but I'm too pissed off.
I wish Moyes would have rested half of them for this match !
2 individual errors cost us the game ?
Nothing to do with the fact that their 3rd choice goalie had hardly a save to make ?
Nothing to do with the fact that my fucking dog could have beat them in the second half ?
Could go on really but I'm too pissed off.
I wish Moyes would have rested half of them for this match !
Totally agree, Kevin.
Moyes lost a lot of supporters over his team selection in the derby game at Anfield.
Today would have been vindication in some ways. But, in true Moyes fashion, he bottled it again. He went defensive yet again. He's a loser with a losers mentality.
Get out of Everton Moyes, you spineless twat. I fucking hate you.
Moyes lost a lot of supporters over his team selection in the derby game at Anfield.
Today would have been vindication in some ways. But, in true Moyes fashion, he bottled it again. He went defensive yet again. He's a loser with a losers mentality.
Get out of Everton Moyes, you spineless twat. I fucking hate you.
Mathew some of us after an hour when we were still 1-0 up were calling for change... I could see the direction the game was going; we were getting deeper and deeper and one or two of our players had vanished. We had no outlet apart from Jelly who was running himself to exhaustion.
Osman off & Big Vic on would've at least given us some muscle and attacking intent. Why did Fellaini go up front and Cahill drop back?? To defend Moyes's instructions. This invited the Shite on to us as we gave up the midfield. Of course it's Moyes's fault; his tactics and instructions put us inder pressure and then mistakes are made.
How about going for a second goal when we are ahead to put the game to bed?? To hard to comprehend or implement for Moyes ? that's why we don't.
FFS the buck stops at the top. Give our current squad to a proper football coach; you would soon see a difference. Moyes is no longer a ditherer... just a shitbag.
Osman off & Big Vic on would've at least given us some muscle and attacking intent. Why did Fellaini go up front and Cahill drop back?? To defend Moyes's instructions. This invited the Shite on to us as we gave up the midfield. Of course it's Moyes's fault; his tactics and instructions put us inder pressure and then mistakes are made.
How about going for a second goal when we are ahead to put the game to bed?? To hard to comprehend or implement for Moyes ? that's why we don't.
FFS the buck stops at the top. Give our current squad to a proper football coach; you would soon see a difference. Moyes is no longer a ditherer... just a shitbag.
We were like rabbits in the headlights after they equalised. Yet again,no meaningful substitutions until the opposition had taken the initiative and put the game beyond our reach. Why couldn't Moyesie have seen this and changed something?
Moyesie has done a great job,but his substitutions are poor. What was the point of bringing Anichebe on in the 87th minute? Even if you brought on Messi, can he really have an impact with 3 minutes left?
Baffled by substitutions (or the lack of them) again...
Moyesie has done a great job,but his substitutions are poor. What was the point of bringing Anichebe on in the 87th minute? Even if you brought on Messi, can he really have an impact with 3 minutes left?
Baffled by substitutions (or the lack of them) again...
Danny, my thought was after the first Liverpool goal Moyes was playing for extra time, hence the lack of subs. He was saving them for extra time. Very poor choice in my opinion.
Lets be honest, if Carroll was half way decent it would have been 4-1 at that stage
Lets be honest, if Carroll was half way decent it would have been 4-1 at that stage
Danny calls it well..we really shit it big time after they equalised.
I watched the league cup final and Cardiff really stood up to the shite that day, and there was no 3rd choice goalie that day!
What a Fuckin tragic wasted opportunity.
I watched the league cup final and Cardiff really stood up to the shite that day, and there was no 3rd choice goalie that day!
What a Fuckin tragic wasted opportunity.
Matthew, it may be the ale blurring my thinking, but are you saying for 85 mins of the game, we were the better team?
Sorry Mathew but I believe that it actually was the wrong game plan that cost us to day. Gueye left on for too long, Osman not replaced, Jelavic isolated up front by himself.......Moyes & Round showed again that they appear to be unable to adapt or make changes when it's needed the most.
I get your point Matthew but I think you're off the mark. Liverpool had many other opportunities to score, Carroll missed a dreadful sitter of a header and had 2 strikes he should have done better with also. They also should've scored again at the end when it hit the post (or was it a save?). The goals came from 2 mistakes, but we're kidding ourselves if we say that they couldn't score beside that. It's also worth mentioning that OUR goal also came from an error on their part. Moyes' woeful tactics haunted us again. After our goal we sat back, and I think we all knew that them scoring was inevitable.
Oh well. Onwards and upwards blues.
Oh well. Onwards and upwards blues.
Well said, Matthew. Moyes did not ask Gibson to stay in the centre circle and back out of tackles for the entire match, nor was he at fault for the 2 goals. Paying them too much respect coupled with those howlers cost us the game... In my opinion.
Has happened too often and for too long to not be at the managers door.
Just can't be arsed moaning about these same things every season:
shit start
odd good game (when landon appears)
always lose "toe to toe" battles (hence "derby" results)
feeling ashamed of the way the team plays
Just wish any sort of change to move Moyes on now.
He reeks of surrender.
Just can't be arsed moaning about these same things every season:
shit start
odd good game (when landon appears)
always lose "toe to toe" battles (hence "derby" results)
feeling ashamed of the way the team plays
Just wish any sort of change to move Moyes on now.
He reeks of surrender.
Bottom line is we had nothing to change it with.I had no issues with the starting 11 but on the bench there was nothing..Hopefully there is a reason Drenthe wasn't involved because whatever he is he has quality and is unpredictable.
As has been the case for ten years, when we have our backs to the wall we revert to sitting back, hoofball and surrendering possession. That is not down to Bill Kenwright or lack of money, it is down
to poor tactics.
Come Monday , it will be all about finishing above Liverpool. I say fuck that. Stick 7th up your arse. It's about trophies and they know how to win them.
Fuck you Moyes and Kenwright, fuck you very very much!!
As has been the case for ten years, when we have our backs to the wall we revert to sitting back, hoofball and surrendering possession. That is not down to Bill Kenwright or lack of money, it is down
to poor tactics.
Come Monday , it will be all about finishing above Liverpool. I say fuck that. Stick 7th up your arse. It's about trophies and they know how to win them.
Fuck you Moyes and Kenwright, fuck you very very much!!
Fucking hell, Matthew ? one of the worst days of our lives and you come out with that load of crap. Words fail me and I cannot add anything more that wouldn't become abusive.
Too many Moyes apologist/excuseists....the blame for today's abject surrender lies fairly and squarely at his door....not Distin's
Moyes has bottled EVERY big game he has EVER been involved in...even at Preston...How he gets labelled a great manager is totally beyond me...a 'great manager' who has won FUCK ALL in ten years...
Moyes has bottled EVERY big game he has EVER been involved in...even at Preston...How he gets labelled a great manager is totally beyond me...a 'great manager' who has won FUCK ALL in ten years...
Huge dissapointment for everyone.
What I cant abide, and its not true of all Moyes critics, are those who've been absent for weeks while weve been playing decent stuff, seemingly wating for the next poor showing.... then crawl out and spout their bile about Moyes. You cannot be taken seriously, and you have no credibility. Fuck you.
What I cant abide, and its not true of all Moyes critics, are those who've been absent for weeks while weve been playing decent stuff, seemingly wating for the next poor showing.... then crawl out and spout their bile about Moyes. You cannot be taken seriously, and you have no credibility. Fuck you.
Bingham, 4 years. Lee, 4 years. Royle, 3 years. Smith, 4 years.
Can someone please explain to me how Moyes has lasted 10 years?
Do we really think we're so little that a top have finish is enough? No cup in 10 years, but hey, we were close once.
I actually heard a few Everton fans saying today "at least we got a day out at Wembley". That's the problem with this club and this manager and hence why he will survive todays joke.
Can someone please explain to me how Moyes has lasted 10 years?
Do we really think we're so little that a top have finish is enough? No cup in 10 years, but hey, we were close once.
I actually heard a few Everton fans saying today "at least we got a day out at Wembley". That's the problem with this club and this manager and hence why he will survive todays joke.
John Ford, you don't get it. We don't critisise Moyes for being himself ( although that is part of his problem but what can you do ).
When Moyes makes mistakes and some of them are so obvious you wonder wtf, we critisise. When he gets it right, which by the way is his job. If you hired a welder or brickie and he had a wobbley weld or wall you would critisise its his job to get it as right as possible.
You can't see the obvious. I won't go ' rightback at ya ' with your closing statement as we are all a bit upset and leeway is in order.
When Moyes makes mistakes and some of them are so obvious you wonder wtf, we critisise. When he gets it right, which by the way is his job. If you hired a welder or brickie and he had a wobbley weld or wall you would critisise its his job to get it as right as possible.
You can't see the obvious. I won't go ' rightback at ya ' with your closing statement as we are all a bit upset and leeway is in order.
John Ford.
The likes of you and your Moyes apologist views will never be taken seriously.
So FUCK YOU!
The likes of you and your Moyes apologist views will never be taken seriously.
So FUCK YOU!
Lost as soon as Moyes fought to give us the underdog tag. If we want to be underdogs then FIGHT like them but this was a time when he should have been piling the pressure on them by talking us up
We've been here so many times-angry,humiliated etc.-maybe we just have to accept that they are just better than us, painful as that might be
We've been here so many times-angry,humiliated etc.-maybe we just have to accept that they are just better than us, painful as that might be
No problem with different views Derek, including criticism of Moyes...wherever you come from with this he has clear weaknesses.
Its the handful of critics who just dissapear when things go well, then pop up just to add more bullshit. This criticism is irksome because its never ever accompanied by acknowledgment of our positive side.
If you didnt know better you'd suspect trolls
Its the handful of critics who just dissapear when things go well, then pop up just to add more bullshit. This criticism is irksome because its never ever accompanied by acknowledgment of our positive side.
If you didnt know better you'd suspect trolls
What idiotic posts, John Ford. If you don't agree with blaming Moyes for this latest Big Game fiasco, then state your case in reasonable terms... but I don't think you can because there is no case.
He fucked it up badly today; fans who believed in him and fans who didn't are just as disappointed without lashing out like this.
Coming on here and calling Everton fans 'trolls' for posting their opinions is totally unacceptable.
He fucked it up badly today; fans who believed in him and fans who didn't are just as disappointed without lashing out like this.
Coming on here and calling Everton fans 'trolls' for posting their opinions is totally unacceptable.
As anyone who has any experience of the game would know the Distin attempted back pass was the kind of thing that happens when you have no attacking ideas and try to frustrate opponents. I would guess it resulted from the dugout cowards aim of parking the bus that went horribly wrong.
As for Coleman's notorious tackle leading to the RS 2nd. Perhaps that particular situation was not included in the huge list of instructions he got from Steve Round. Is it really neccessary that a professional player whom the coaching staff deal with on a daily basis should require such lengthy and detailed instructions for a few minutes on the pitch?
As for Coleman's notorious tackle leading to the RS 2nd. Perhaps that particular situation was not included in the huge list of instructions he got from Steve Round. Is it really neccessary that a professional player whom the coaching staff deal with on a daily basis should require such lengthy and detailed instructions for a few minutes on the pitch?
Mind you Nelly, I hardly think Distin can be exonerated. I know he has lots of supporters but he is so one footed, always looks like he has a blunder in him and for such a great physical specimen hardly weighs in with a goal at the other end. Just not his biggest fan
Interesting to make a comparison to the Royle days.
The whole dogs or war. We didn't have great attacking midfielders, such as Pienaar and Arteta. We had a strong working midfield, very defensive, but we still played 2 up front?
The long ball that Moyes brought in on the 2nd half was something Royle played, with Dunc as a target man , but another player alongside him.
We were underdogs then, yet the spirit was high and the tactics were right.
Moyes fucked up massively and I'm sorry, he is not a great manager and when I tell my kids in the future about this club, he will not come off well.
I'm amazed there are still supporters defending him
The whole dogs or war. We didn't have great attacking midfielders, such as Pienaar and Arteta. We had a strong working midfield, very defensive, but we still played 2 up front?
The long ball that Moyes brought in on the 2nd half was something Royle played, with Dunc as a target man , but another player alongside him.
We were underdogs then, yet the spirit was high and the tactics were right.
Moyes fucked up massively and I'm sorry, he is not a great manager and when I tell my kids in the future about this club, he will not come off well.
I'm amazed there are still supporters defending him
David #535.. that's why he is playing for us... he makes the odd mistake... that's why Howard is in our goal, not Utd's.
Yep, Nil Satis dosen't come into it anymore as it stands.
Please acknowledge that Distins apology to the fans means something though?
Yep, Nil Satis dosen't come into it anymore as it stands.
Please acknowledge that Distins apology to the fans means something though?
Dick, it was ridiculous how long it took to get Coleman on. You're spot on.
I'm not having that Moyes was to blame for the back pass though. That's just bollocks.
I'm not having that Moyes was to blame for the back pass though. That's just bollocks.
John Ford..Trolls !! What a joke..Another season of a handful of decent performances post Christmas when there is no pressure ,culminating in humiliation when it really matters and you suggest there is no right to criticise.
The man earns £3m a year and has won nothing. And don't blame Kenwright, because the last I saw ,they were sat together making googly eyes on the Goals on Sunday sofa like a pair of teenagers at the pictures.
The man earns £3m a year and has won nothing. And don't blame Kenwright, because the last I saw ,they were sat together making googly eyes on the Goals on Sunday sofa like a pair of teenagers at the pictures.
Kevin Freaney..Unfortuntely there are plenty who will dance a jig if we manage to finish above Liverpool this year and think we will have achieved more than them. Today was just another 'day out' at Wembley. Ah well , at least we were level pegging until the 86th minute!
John, my eldest son ( 11 ) been to a fair few games at Goodison, a Wembley semi... Wouldnt let him near it today as I just knew... well he summed it up as only a kid could tonight..
Dad, So David Moyes has been in charge of Everton for over 10 years and won no cups ?
Yes, son thats correct..
Well why dont we get a manager who can win cups then ?
Dad, So David Moyes has been in charge of Everton for over 10 years and won no cups ?
Yes, son thats correct..
Well why dont we get a manager who can win cups then ?
Mark,I'm not questioning Sylvain's attitude or his genuine professionalism, just his ability, which as you rightly point out is about the best that Everton can expect these days
Is it a coincidence that the 'rested' players from the Sunderland league game were not really at it today ??
At least something became clear to me today.
My grandfather was raised in the shadow of Goodison and was a lifelong supporter. I was born and raised in Dublin but he always tried to make me an Everton supporter when I saw him. I remember him showing me pics from the 84 year when I was a kid.
Long story short, I was concerned if my grandfather would approve of me having a constant go at Moyes. Would he have supported Moyes if he was still alive today?
Today has put that to rest. He would never have stood for that. At least I have some sort of peace.
My grandfather was raised in the shadow of Goodison and was a lifelong supporter. I was born and raised in Dublin but he always tried to make me an Everton supporter when I saw him. I remember him showing me pics from the 84 year when I was a kid.
Long story short, I was concerned if my grandfather would approve of me having a constant go at Moyes. Would he have supported Moyes if he was still alive today?
Today has put that to rest. He would never have stood for that. At least I have some sort of peace.
Kevin #557...
What a question to ask of current Evertonians..
Yes or No - Would my Grandad put up with this ?? - Fantastic.
Worthy of its own thread...
What a question to ask of current Evertonians..
Yes or No - Would my Grandad put up with this ?? - Fantastic.
Worthy of its own thread...
Mark, I grew up in the 70s so can kind relate to your sons predicament!
The game now is such that very few young fans support teams who win anything. Noone wins anything apart from......well you know how it goes. The biggest frustration with Moyes is his inability to cash in on the big occasion.
The game now is such that very few young fans support teams who win anything. Noone wins anything apart from......well you know how it goes. The biggest frustration with Moyes is his inability to cash in on the big occasion.
John, its no predicament for my oldest lad, he's a blue.. My 7 year old made his home debut last week against Sunderland, so he now thinks we will win 4-0 every week..
Its what they will get to see I worry about...
Its what they will get to see I worry about...
Moyes got it wrong for the second half. As someone has already stated on TW the entire mindset of the team changed after halftime but in my opinion that was not the only reason the game was lost.
The Bleacher Report listed reasons why Everton could win the game. One pointed to Aggers at left back - attack him with pace and he could be in trouble. Who was our wide right player? Osman, not the paciest bloke around and where was he found most of the match? In the central area of the pitch. Moyes selected him in that position, in my mind a mistake, but Osman knew he was supposed to play wide right so why was he always, always missing from there? Several times I saw Neville wanting to push the ball up the right wing but he could not as Osman was not where he was supposed to be. But that in my eyes is not the reason we lost. In my eyes it was a change Dalglish made to his side's set up prior to half time.
All opposing teams know our best attacking option is our left flank and more acutely Baines' ability while going forward. Negate Baines and the threat is removed. Downing was switched to their right and from that moment on Baines' was defending full time - and he got caught out too often for an England international player. Baines' had offered little attacking threat prior to that - we missed Pienaar big time - as Gueye was not at the races today. When Coleman came on it should have been for Osman and Coleman to the left to help out Baines and Gueye to the right because he probably would have stayed out wide, given Neville an option and possibly do what the BR pointed to, give Aggers an uncomfortable time.
We bottled it, blame the players, blame the manager but, and it pains me to write this, give Dalglish a little bit of credit - and blame him too!
The Bleacher Report listed reasons why Everton could win the game. One pointed to Aggers at left back - attack him with pace and he could be in trouble. Who was our wide right player? Osman, not the paciest bloke around and where was he found most of the match? In the central area of the pitch. Moyes selected him in that position, in my mind a mistake, but Osman knew he was supposed to play wide right so why was he always, always missing from there? Several times I saw Neville wanting to push the ball up the right wing but he could not as Osman was not where he was supposed to be. But that in my eyes is not the reason we lost. In my eyes it was a change Dalglish made to his side's set up prior to half time.
All opposing teams know our best attacking option is our left flank and more acutely Baines' ability while going forward. Negate Baines and the threat is removed. Downing was switched to their right and from that moment on Baines' was defending full time - and he got caught out too often for an England international player. Baines' had offered little attacking threat prior to that - we missed Pienaar big time - as Gueye was not at the races today. When Coleman came on it should have been for Osman and Coleman to the left to help out Baines and Gueye to the right because he probably would have stayed out wide, given Neville an option and possibly do what the BR pointed to, give Aggers an uncomfortable time.
We bottled it, blame the players, blame the manager but, and it pains me to write this, give Dalglish a little bit of credit - and blame him too!
We have a losers mentality before we start these big games. Is it any wonder we lose?
"Prior to that error, first 5 mins of the second half aside, we were the better team. Liverpool could have played till tomorrow and not have scored."
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The dust may have settled but clearly Matthew did not watch the game in the first place. Pretty sure we didn't create a decent chance all game. Their "individual error" gave us a goal. They had several glaring misses. I honestly think Matthew must have listened to the game on radio or something
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The dust may have settled but clearly Matthew did not watch the game in the first place. Pretty sure we didn't create a decent chance all game. Their "individual error" gave us a goal. They had several glaring misses. I honestly think Matthew must have listened to the game on radio or something
"Moyes got this wrong, Moyes got that wrong." Let me tell you, without him we wouldn't have even had the opportunity to get to the final today. The difference in what I see in our club now since the season 01/02 when I had my first season ticket is remarkable.
We still have no money but at least we are getting in these situations (semi-finals). Just like many of you will say about Liverpool fans 'living in the past'. It seems many Everton fans are too. Everyone needs to accept that whilst we have all the 'tradition' and 'history' it counts for absolutely nothing in modern day football. In this age we are not one of the 'big' clubs (money). We all know this. I say 'at least' because what do you really expect us to achieve?
I see some people comparing his tenor in charge with manager's dating back to the 70's...as stated, football has changed. Moyes has done an incredible job and it is absolutely disgusting to call for his head. You are all aware of the 'unity' the players talk about between themselves and the staff - If David Moyes left, it would give our best players an excuse to move on. Who would you want to realistically bring in to give you this trophy you seem to think is going to be easier to obtain under someone else's management in a shorter period of control? Who is this manager you know about who is better and more suited to the Everton job?
Do you really trust our board to appoint a successor who will do better than David Moyes? I read a lot of these stupid 'KENRIGHT OUT' 'MOYES OUT' comments at the end of people's posts on here. Pathetic. Nobody is going to take notice. Its so easy for me and everybody else to give our opinion on Everton, but the fact is, in the whole it means absolutely nothing.
On the pitch, we are still a team in very good form and whilst I accept today is very hard to take, the dust has settled and I feel everyone needs to calm down a bit. We are all fed up but look at the situation and think about it realistically before absolutely battering the manager.
We still have no money but at least we are getting in these situations (semi-finals). Just like many of you will say about Liverpool fans 'living in the past'. It seems many Everton fans are too. Everyone needs to accept that whilst we have all the 'tradition' and 'history' it counts for absolutely nothing in modern day football. In this age we are not one of the 'big' clubs (money). We all know this. I say 'at least' because what do you really expect us to achieve?
I see some people comparing his tenor in charge with manager's dating back to the 70's...as stated, football has changed. Moyes has done an incredible job and it is absolutely disgusting to call for his head. You are all aware of the 'unity' the players talk about between themselves and the staff - If David Moyes left, it would give our best players an excuse to move on. Who would you want to realistically bring in to give you this trophy you seem to think is going to be easier to obtain under someone else's management in a shorter period of control? Who is this manager you know about who is better and more suited to the Everton job?
Do you really trust our board to appoint a successor who will do better than David Moyes? I read a lot of these stupid 'KENRIGHT OUT' 'MOYES OUT' comments at the end of people's posts on here. Pathetic. Nobody is going to take notice. Its so easy for me and everybody else to give our opinion on Everton, but the fact is, in the whole it means absolutely nothing.
On the pitch, we are still a team in very good form and whilst I accept today is very hard to take, the dust has settled and I feel everyone needs to calm down a bit. We are all fed up but look at the situation and think about it realistically before absolutely battering the manager.
"Do you really trust our board to appoint a successor who will do better than David Moyes?"
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You defeat your own argument.
Bill appointed Moyes so yes, I would say he is capable of appointing someone who would do better than Moyes.
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You defeat your own argument.
Bill appointed Moyes so yes, I would say he is capable of appointing someone who would do better than Moyes.
I'm not saying I want the board to replace him
I'll probably get slaughtered for this but as combination of the hurt of the defeat and the drink i've supped since but how about Rafa as our new boss?
Ok, he may have managed THEM, but look at his CV compared to this feeble loser we currently have running the gaff.
Ok, he may have managed THEM, but look at his CV compared to this feeble loser we currently have running the gaff.
"Moyes got this wrong, Moyes got that wrong." Let me tell you, without him we wouldn't have even had the opportunity to get to the final today"
Tamworth, Fulham, Blackpool, Sunderland....good God, that's some harsh opposition.
Alan #577
I'm pretty sure you could train a monkey on attacking tactics and he would have beaten all these teams. Anyone would have beaten these teams. But when we hit a big club...Moyes falls apart.
We took 2 goes at Sunderland despite the famous Moyes fuck up....sorry, rest up.
He has done all he can at this club. He is not a great manager, he is over rated and piss poor. Any manager who comes in now will be better than him. He has instilled defeat in the players
Tamworth, Fulham, Blackpool, Sunderland....good God, that's some harsh opposition.
Alan #577
I'm pretty sure you could train a monkey on attacking tactics and he would have beaten all these teams. Anyone would have beaten these teams. But when we hit a big club...Moyes falls apart.
We took 2 goes at Sunderland despite the famous Moyes fuck up....sorry, rest up.
He has done all he can at this club. He is not a great manager, he is over rated and piss poor. Any manager who comes in now will be better than him. He has instilled defeat in the players
Alan, the MOB aren't living in the past, as we see how Everton are performing TODAY with the squad they have NOW and know that better is achievable.
It's the statements like "It's better than the Smith days" that is akin to living in the past. I'm glad I only became a supporter in 2002, and have only known Moyes as manager, as it gives me plenty of hope that someone (invent word: manyone) could do a better job than he is currently doing.
It's the statements like "It's better than the Smith days" that is akin to living in the past. I'm glad I only became a supporter in 2002, and have only known Moyes as manager, as it gives me plenty of hope that someone (invent word: manyone) could do a better job than he is currently doing.
Alan, the MOB aren't living in the past, as we see how Everton are performing TODAY with the squad they have NOW and know that better is achievable.
It's the statements like "It's better than the Smith days" that is akin to living in the past. I'm glad I only became a supporter in 2002, and have only known Moyes as manager, as it gives me plenty of hope that someone (invent word: manyone) could do a better job than he is currently doing.
It's the statements like "It's better than the Smith days" that is akin to living in the past. I'm glad I only became a supporter in 2002, and have only known Moyes as manager, as it gives me plenty of hope that someone (invent word: manyone) could do a better job than he is currently doing.
You are all aware of the 'unity' the players talk about between themselves and the staff - If David Moyes left, it would give our best players an excuse to move on
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Pienaar will go back to Spurs. Drenthe and Dennis on loan will go back to their clubs. Cahill, Neville, Hibbert leave with Moyes? What other big names are there/ Rodwell? nice amount for him. The youth players will stay. Not as if Moyes ever played them? I see no reason why Moyes shouldn't go.
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Pienaar will go back to Spurs. Drenthe and Dennis on loan will go back to their clubs. Cahill, Neville, Hibbert leave with Moyes? What other big names are there/ Rodwell? nice amount for him. The youth players will stay. Not as if Moyes ever played them? I see no reason why Moyes shouldn't go.
Its a cup match,some you win, some you lose. This may not be the best Liverpool side in history, but they are still a decent side. This has been proven by their wins over Man city, United etc. The same can be said of Everton.
Many people point out that Moyes hasnt won anything in 10 years, but at least he has got us into positions where we stood a chance.
In cup competitions anything can happen, thats why they are so entertaining. And since I cant believe that anyone seriously believes that a team in our financial position could genuinely compete for the PL title, are we really suggesting that Moyes is a failure because he hasnt won the cup lottery?
Spurs, Arsenal, Stoke, Bolton.........None of these clubs have won a cup in years, many other clubs have invested huge sums (Villa for instance), changed managers and still got no closer to winning anything.
Many people point out that Moyes hasnt won anything in 10 years, but at least he has got us into positions where we stood a chance.
In cup competitions anything can happen, thats why they are so entertaining. And since I cant believe that anyone seriously believes that a team in our financial position could genuinely compete for the PL title, are we really suggesting that Moyes is a failure because he hasnt won the cup lottery?
Spurs, Arsenal, Stoke, Bolton.........None of these clubs have won a cup in years, many other clubs have invested huge sums (Villa for instance), changed managers and still got no closer to winning anything.
Don't know what to do with my Sunday fuck'n depressing .started the day with half pack of cigars ,lunatic red Fans sending sarcastic condolenses.Life for a blue fan is such a rollercoster.waiting for the weekend whole last week and now don't know how to pass rest of the Day.
COYB
COYB
Sorry Jim, but finances mean nothing. I'm tired of this excuse. You have a good manager, he gets guys in and trains them up. Moyes has done that and don't get me wrong, I hate the guy but he knows talent in the market.
You mention winning the PL, we all know that's something that won't happen but we are just sick and tired of what Moyes does. Start slow, push to the 40 point mark and relax.
You mention Spurs and Arsenal as teams who haven't won anything. I can only wish we had a manager like those 2. Moyes is over rated and a very poor manager and he will be found out if he ever leaves Everton, which he won't as Kenwright will always back him.
10 years Jim. When did you last see an Everton manager been given 10 years with no silverware? We're all happy coming in the top half at end of season. I'm sorry, but that's not good enough for me
You mention winning the PL, we all know that's something that won't happen but we are just sick and tired of what Moyes does. Start slow, push to the 40 point mark and relax.
You mention Spurs and Arsenal as teams who haven't won anything. I can only wish we had a manager like those 2. Moyes is over rated and a very poor manager and he will be found out if he ever leaves Everton, which he won't as Kenwright will always back him.
10 years Jim. When did you last see an Everton manager been given 10 years with no silverware? We're all happy coming in the top half at end of season. I'm sorry, but that's not good enough for me
Still a blue always a blue what ever happens.Hope for better days.COYB.
I agree with Kevin that come summer some of our best players will demand transfers. Not because Moyes is going but because he is staying.
More than ever it becomes clear that Rooney was right to move away from Everton. Under Moyes he was starved of games. Sir Alex plonked him straight into his first team and Wayne is now a true world class player.
Before any more of our youngsters lose the spark that sets them aside Barclay et al would be wise to get from under Moyes influence asap.
More than ever it becomes clear that Rooney was right to move away from Everton. Under Moyes he was starved of games. Sir Alex plonked him straight into his first team and Wayne is now a true world class player.
Before any more of our youngsters lose the spark that sets them aside Barclay et al would be wise to get from under Moyes influence asap.
Alan how are you doing?
Tried to ring you a few times yesterday morning but got no reply.
As for your post mate I beg to differ, your generation are suffering from the premier league/champions league debacle that unfortunately our club was at the forefront of building. We did not have the infrastructure, fan base, marketing strategy or vision that was required to compete in the new world.
So young Alan you only know what you only know. There are however many guys who have more experience of our GREAT club and they all have differing views. What I find galling though is the acceptance of were we are. It is about having that winning mentality of one game at a time. Give it you all then rest for the week then give it your all again. But what has transpired through seriously clever marketting by sky, is that people now believe they have no right to be in the top four anymore and thank yourself lucky with the cash that comes your way. Don't forget these big four and I don't include Man City just yet, are global brands and are needed by sky to keep the tv rights flowing and open up newer markets. I live in Nairobi now and if manure, chelsea, arsenal or the shite are on the bars are packed, this is the case in the whole of Africa as I have been in a few other nations here.
So we have sold are soul to the devil and in turn we have to put up with Moyes because he keeps us safe and brings in just enough cash to kee p the club from falling apart. Kenwright is not a winner he is a romantic and I can just picture his epitaph now. Blue Bill kept his beloved Everton in the premier league and punching above their weight.
But do you know what John Moores was a winner and he recognised a winner so if you were not up to his standards in life off you went. That is what we need now, Moyes gone, he has had his ten years and if I was to score him out of ten he would be a six. Mediocre at best.
Let's get someone in who thinks he can win every game rather than select the ones he thinks they can or might win. Football is after all about winning and right now I am feeling so low and I am sick of it. That Liverpool team were there for the taking and we looked like we knew we couldn't win so in a nutshell we need Moyes gone now. I would like him to resign. My respect for the man would grow.
He has took our club as far as he can now but he cannot take the next step which is to beat the top four consistently.
Take care Al and keep the faith but keep it in the club and not one man who, take it from me is Mediocre at best.
Tried to ring you a few times yesterday morning but got no reply.
As for your post mate I beg to differ, your generation are suffering from the premier league/champions league debacle that unfortunately our club was at the forefront of building. We did not have the infrastructure, fan base, marketing strategy or vision that was required to compete in the new world.
So young Alan you only know what you only know. There are however many guys who have more experience of our GREAT club and they all have differing views. What I find galling though is the acceptance of were we are. It is about having that winning mentality of one game at a time. Give it you all then rest for the week then give it your all again. But what has transpired through seriously clever marketting by sky, is that people now believe they have no right to be in the top four anymore and thank yourself lucky with the cash that comes your way. Don't forget these big four and I don't include Man City just yet, are global brands and are needed by sky to keep the tv rights flowing and open up newer markets. I live in Nairobi now and if manure, chelsea, arsenal or the shite are on the bars are packed, this is the case in the whole of Africa as I have been in a few other nations here.
So we have sold are soul to the devil and in turn we have to put up with Moyes because he keeps us safe and brings in just enough cash to kee p the club from falling apart. Kenwright is not a winner he is a romantic and I can just picture his epitaph now. Blue Bill kept his beloved Everton in the premier league and punching above their weight.
But do you know what John Moores was a winner and he recognised a winner so if you were not up to his standards in life off you went. That is what we need now, Moyes gone, he has had his ten years and if I was to score him out of ten he would be a six. Mediocre at best.
Let's get someone in who thinks he can win every game rather than select the ones he thinks they can or might win. Football is after all about winning and right now I am feeling so low and I am sick of it. That Liverpool team were there for the taking and we looked like we knew we couldn't win so in a nutshell we need Moyes gone now. I would like him to resign. My respect for the man would grow.
He has took our club as far as he can now but he cannot take the next step which is to beat the top four consistently.
Take care Al and keep the faith but keep it in the club and not one man who, take it from me is Mediocre at best.
Woke up still depressed. Still disapointed, upset and angry. Whatever is said on TW, makes no difference as long as the media still sees Moyes as the victim at Everton. No money, investment blah, blah, blah.
Hiding behind this for installing a defeatest attuide into our club. Your throw enough mud with the we are under dogs comments all week, well to me the players seem to have been told the same and it stuck.
Kenwright looking 24/7, my ass. Will being wallowing in the media this week. The Euros always shows a handy player or two, not that we will be buying any. What I am looking forward to is when its over. Yesterday I suggested Billic as our new manager, hopefully by then our current one could be at spurs. Ah well, no harm in wishing.
Hiding behind this for installing a defeatest attuide into our club. Your throw enough mud with the we are under dogs comments all week, well to me the players seem to have been told the same and it stuck.
Kenwright looking 24/7, my ass. Will being wallowing in the media this week. The Euros always shows a handy player or two, not that we will be buying any. What I am looking forward to is when its over. Yesterday I suggested Billic as our new manager, hopefully by then our current one could be at spurs. Ah well, no harm in wishing.
All these people saying moyes went defensive. How do you know?! I find it highly unlikely that his half time talk was telling them to sit back from the start. We didn't do that at Sunderland so why would he tell them to go it here.
Much more likely that the nerves got to the players and they just bottled it and went into a shell. Even then I wasn't that worried till an unpredictable human error from a player that 99% of us would have had in our team.
Much more likely that the nerves got to the players and they just bottled it and went into a shell. Even then I wasn't that worried till an unpredictable human error from a player that 99% of us would have had in our team.
I remember walking away from our FA Cup semi final replay against Liverpool in 1977 at Maine Road and although we lost and I was totally gutted, I was still proud of The Blues for the way they played over the two games, yesterday I walked away totally gutted but disgusted and angry. Moyes please go, and let us get some one who can give us our pride back.
Sam Hoare (#637)
"All these people saying moyes went defensive. How do you know?"
Years of watching Everton under Moyes ? that's how we know.
"All these people saying moyes went defensive. How do you know?"
Years of watching Everton under Moyes ? that's how we know.
I watched the game in my local. I must say it was like watching the game on the kop, (Done that before) as the place was rammed with reds. It appeared to me that their players seemed to want it more than ours, especially in the second half when every 50/50 challenge went their way. This is hard to take. Osman who had been in great form prior to this game reverted to his derby game type and contributed almost nothing, Gueye was also anonymous. Cahill thundered into a few challenges, but again, offered very little. This left just the 3 of Fellaini, Gibson and Jelavic with a hell of a lot of work to do in retaining the ball and winning it back. I commented to my Tranmere Rovers buddy that Felli was everywhere, but then he went down with cramp and this affected both his game and ours. Given our options on the bench I dont know what Moyes could have done to change the game, as they got stronger whilst we got worse. It was those players who put in an abysmal performance who are to blame, in my opinion. Many fell well short given their immediate opponents were not in the best of form. Harsh on Moyes that many on here are wanting him out, but everyone is entitled to their opinion and Im sure many are livid at our capitulation having travelled to London at great expense to watch the game.
Kevin 604.Both wenger and redknapp would cost significantly more than 3million a season and would both want finance! Redknapp Has for many years done the opposite to Moyes, started well and faded at the end. As for dallying in the transfer market, this seasons beginning at Arsenal probably trumps any of Evertons!
I am not saying that the manager is perfect, or even that a change shouldnt be considered, but claims that he is taking the club backwards or that he is tactically inept really dont convince me.
Perhaps we should get a manager with cup winning experiance, like Mcliesh? If he proves a little out of our league, just settle for that bloke at United or Real?
I am not saying that the manager is perfect, or even that a change shouldnt be considered, but claims that he is taking the club backwards or that he is tactically inept really dont convince me.
Perhaps we should get a manager with cup winning experiance, like Mcliesh? If he proves a little out of our league, just settle for that bloke at United or Real?
Oh, and as for remembering a manager who lasted 10 years without a trophy, can you remember the last manager to consistently even get close to European places? I know its been a long time, but if it was as easy as just popping out and finding a guy that knows how to win every game, playing outstanding football, doing this with players bought on a limited budget, preventing clubs with more financial clout from signing his best players, finding and developing players before the teams with more financial clout snaffle them up and finding a magical way of preventing players from injuring themselves, I am pretty sure it would be done.
Hell, pretty much any manager other than Moyes would probably manage to find a billionaire just itching to invest millions on a club with a tired (atmospheric!) old stadium and substantial debt with absolutely no chance of recouping a penny of his investment.
Hell, pretty much any manager other than Moyes would probably manage to find a billionaire just itching to invest millions on a club with a tired (atmospheric!) old stadium and substantial debt with absolutely no chance of recouping a penny of his investment.
Supporting this club under Moyes and Kenwright is really pushing the limits of tolerance... a sad, sad day for us all. I really don't know were we go from here, after 30 years of this, I really have had it.
Tim Howard running down the clock after 55 minutes against the worst liverpool side ive seen in recent history sounded the death kneel for us all.
Unfortunately I think the Distin howler may take the blame in the press when once again the buck has to stop with perennial bottler Moyes.
Tim Howard running down the clock after 55 minutes against the worst liverpool side ive seen in recent history sounded the death kneel for us all.
Unfortunately I think the Distin howler may take the blame in the press when once again the buck has to stop with perennial bottler Moyes.
Sorry Matthew, I cannot agree.
Like the other posts state, we sat back on a 1-0 lead, which is a dangerous game to play.
Liverpool looked ordinary, which they are, but we let them grow in confidence and allowed them to take the game to us, even though before the goal we were more than comfortable, if not on top.
Ok, there were errors for the goals but by simply allowing Liverpool to dominate they were always going to cause some problems eventually.
The fact that their defence looked shakey all afternoon, and they had a 3rd choice keeper in play, should have given us momentum to go and attack them further, plus we had the luxury of a one goal lead.
We had them on the ropes and we simply backed away.
It is clear that a Manager's job is to see the overall picture and adjust the situation accordingly. Moyes should have spotted what were all were seeing, we had backed off and in doing so left Jelavic isolated, giving us no outlet in which to get out of defence, put our foot on the ball and get some possession.
Instead, he did nothing about it. I did not see him shouting from the sidelines, he should have been giving the right instructions to address the situation.
Therefore the only conclusion is that he was happy to adopt such tactics. Unfortuantely Moyes did lose us this game, and Everton's best chance to finally get one over on the Reds!
I respect Moyes for what he has done for EFC, especially given his transfer constraints.
No one can deny he has done a fantastic job. He makes mistakes in many areas but I'm still not convinced that any other manager could have survived and performed so well with such resources; would another manager have even been able to get us to a cup semi-final with the squad we have?
I'm all for change, and I do feel more despondant than ever as this was a real low point. But let's face it, the foundations of Everton Football Club need radical change, and have done for many years. Until this is corrected we can't realistically look to achieve anything.
Without such change we are simply treading water. We will never be the club we once were. So who do you in trust with keeping us in the elite and punching above our financial weight?
I'd reluctantly still stick with Moyes, as I'm not sure someone else could perform so consistently well as he has for many years.
Whilst I'd love to see Brenden Rodgers light up Goodison with his team's style of play, consistently performing in the Premier League is not something his CV yet has, so such a changemight not be the miracle appointment everyone would hope for !
Like the other posts state, we sat back on a 1-0 lead, which is a dangerous game to play.
Liverpool looked ordinary, which they are, but we let them grow in confidence and allowed them to take the game to us, even though before the goal we were more than comfortable, if not on top.
Ok, there were errors for the goals but by simply allowing Liverpool to dominate they were always going to cause some problems eventually.
The fact that their defence looked shakey all afternoon, and they had a 3rd choice keeper in play, should have given us momentum to go and attack them further, plus we had the luxury of a one goal lead.
We had them on the ropes and we simply backed away.
It is clear that a Manager's job is to see the overall picture and adjust the situation accordingly. Moyes should have spotted what were all were seeing, we had backed off and in doing so left Jelavic isolated, giving us no outlet in which to get out of defence, put our foot on the ball and get some possession.
Instead, he did nothing about it. I did not see him shouting from the sidelines, he should have been giving the right instructions to address the situation.
Therefore the only conclusion is that he was happy to adopt such tactics. Unfortuantely Moyes did lose us this game, and Everton's best chance to finally get one over on the Reds!
I respect Moyes for what he has done for EFC, especially given his transfer constraints.
No one can deny he has done a fantastic job. He makes mistakes in many areas but I'm still not convinced that any other manager could have survived and performed so well with such resources; would another manager have even been able to get us to a cup semi-final with the squad we have?
I'm all for change, and I do feel more despondant than ever as this was a real low point. But let's face it, the foundations of Everton Football Club need radical change, and have done for many years. Until this is corrected we can't realistically look to achieve anything.
Without such change we are simply treading water. We will never be the club we once were. So who do you in trust with keeping us in the elite and punching above our financial weight?
I'd reluctantly still stick with Moyes, as I'm not sure someone else could perform so consistently well as he has for many years.
Whilst I'd love to see Brenden Rodgers light up Goodison with his team's style of play, consistently performing in the Premier League is not something his CV yet has, so such a changemight not be the miracle appointment everyone would hope for !
Jim it is not expected that he wins every game but I would like him to go out and try to win every game.
I think what was most disappointing was that this was not a very good Liverpool side that beat us. Their best player Gerrard was average at best, plus we did the hard thing and scored first.
I dont know what was said at half time but in his aftermatch interview Neville said we expected Liverpool to throw the kitchen sink at us at the start of the sencond half. So was it the players who decided to drop 10 yards deeper or the managers cautious approach for them to do this. Who ever made the choice of us sitting off them gave them confidence which apart from the first 10 minutes at the start of the game they didnt seem to have any confidence.
Finally I thought the different mindset of the teams was quite apparant after they scored their second with 5 minutes left to play. They didnt sit back and hold on they tried to kill the game by scoring another. I think if we had scored a second we would have played 10 ment strung across our 18 yard line.
I dont know what was said at half time but in his aftermatch interview Neville said we expected Liverpool to throw the kitchen sink at us at the start of the sencond half. So was it the players who decided to drop 10 yards deeper or the managers cautious approach for them to do this. Who ever made the choice of us sitting off them gave them confidence which apart from the first 10 minutes at the start of the game they didnt seem to have any confidence.
Finally I thought the different mindset of the teams was quite apparant after they scored their second with 5 minutes left to play. They didnt sit back and hold on they tried to kill the game by scoring another. I think if we had scored a second we would have played 10 ment strung across our 18 yard line.
You can spend hours and hours on the training ground and talk about tactics all you like, the fact is the game swung completely after an error by a player who has been immense for the large part for the last 2 years.
Anyone who blames Moyes for that needs to have a good hard look at themselves; he picked the right team, the one that played so well at Sunderland and deserved to start and I am sorry you simply can not legislate for an error like the one Distin made.
Anyone who blames Moyes for that needs to have a good hard look at themselves; he picked the right team, the one that played so well at Sunderland and deserved to start and I am sorry you simply can not legislate for an error like the one Distin made.
It just hurts so much. What realistically can thus club achieve? I drank myself senseless yesterday and I don't feel any better for it.
It just hurts so much. What realistically can thus club achieve? I drank myself senseless yesterday and I don't feel any better for it.
Do you think Moyes would get 10yrs at ANY decent club without success AND playing dour football?
No I think not!
No I think not!
Jim....it's because of people like you that Moyes remains in a job.
As someone has already mentioned if Sir John was still in charge Moyes would have been gone long long ago, but because we're stuck with that useless twat of a chairman then he will be here as long as he wants to be.
Lack of money was not to blame yesterday or for EVERY other big game he has bottled....there is no coincidence here just look at the facts....
Chelsea, Arsenal, Man Utd away every year, EVERY derby at Analfield (and almost all at Goodison) Villereal (both legs) Fiorentina away, Chelsea (League Cup & FA Cup) , yesterday against possibly the worst RS team in living memory and then there's the play-offs at Preston...he never won one of those either .....need I go on
Moyes is just a spineless coward who likes to play the hard done to victim...yesterday (as with many other previous big games) he bottled it AGAIN.
People are trying to say it was the players and not his tactics....Did you see him come from the bench and tell his players to put pressure on the ball, close down space and get forward and attack....No I didn't either
Great manager...well as far as I'm concerned Spurs, Man Utd or whoever fuckin else might think he is great are more than welcome to him
As someone has already mentioned if Sir John was still in charge Moyes would have been gone long long ago, but because we're stuck with that useless twat of a chairman then he will be here as long as he wants to be.
Lack of money was not to blame yesterday or for EVERY other big game he has bottled....there is no coincidence here just look at the facts....
Chelsea, Arsenal, Man Utd away every year, EVERY derby at Analfield (and almost all at Goodison) Villereal (both legs) Fiorentina away, Chelsea (League Cup & FA Cup) , yesterday against possibly the worst RS team in living memory and then there's the play-offs at Preston...he never won one of those either .....need I go on
Moyes is just a spineless coward who likes to play the hard done to victim...yesterday (as with many other previous big games) he bottled it AGAIN.
People are trying to say it was the players and not his tactics....Did you see him come from the bench and tell his players to put pressure on the ball, close down space and get forward and attack....No I didn't either
Great manager...well as far as I'm concerned Spurs, Man Utd or whoever fuckin else might think he is great are more than welcome to him
Roger, you should really study a tape of the game and ask yourself this: What did Everton do when they had possession in the second half? Then ask yourself why that was ? why were they so fearful?
The goal that was the turning point was not theirs but ours. From that moment, we never really looked like scoring again, nor had any intention of trying, according to the manager himself.
That was not the team that played at Sunderland ? at least not in spirit. If that exact same situation had developed for Distin in the Sunderland game, I think the outcome would have been very different.
We played with fear when we should have played with swagger and confidence. That came from only one place.
The goal that was the turning point was not theirs but ours. From that moment, we never really looked like scoring again, nor had any intention of trying, according to the manager himself.
That was not the team that played at Sunderland ? at least not in spirit. If that exact same situation had developed for Distin in the Sunderland game, I think the outcome would have been very different.
We played with fear when we should have played with swagger and confidence. That came from only one place.
....the SHITHOUSE of a manager
Nelly 746, Pretty sure it has very little to do with "people like me"! More to do with the chairman and the board.
I can understand the school of thought that changing the manager and freshening up the team could bring more success,in relation to winning cups, and maybe more attractive style of playing. Fair play. But to brand the man a "spineless coward" seems a bit harsh. there were no bold tactical changes, but, to be fair to Liverpool, even with the defensive set upthey were creating chances, and if they had spent 6 million on a Croat instead of 35million on a donkey they would have buried us. Opening up to would have played into their hands.
slate the Liverpool team as much as you like (they are not the worst one in memory, that team belonged to Roy Hodgson) They still have good players capable of hurting teams. I agree that the financial argument isnt the be all and end all, but it has a pretty strong case looking at the league table, the notable exceptions being Newcastle and, oh Everton!
I do not rate Moyes as a great manager,I dont think he is good enough for United, I dont think he will make Everton great again, but who will? given the circumstances he has provided a good platform. League status secure again, second semi final in 3 years.Financially, he has to be responsible for one of the few positive points at the club, allowing players to leave for good prices and replacing them for less,without severely damaging league position.
There is another factor in the match yesterday, 11 players in red. they didnt want to lose either! but there was no capitulation, until 3 minutes from the end the game was equal, a sucker punch! Shit, thats how cup matches go!
I can understand the school of thought that changing the manager and freshening up the team could bring more success,in relation to winning cups, and maybe more attractive style of playing. Fair play. But to brand the man a "spineless coward" seems a bit harsh. there were no bold tactical changes, but, to be fair to Liverpool, even with the defensive set upthey were creating chances, and if they had spent 6 million on a Croat instead of 35million on a donkey they would have buried us. Opening up to would have played into their hands.
slate the Liverpool team as much as you like (they are not the worst one in memory, that team belonged to Roy Hodgson) They still have good players capable of hurting teams. I agree that the financial argument isnt the be all and end all, but it has a pretty strong case looking at the league table, the notable exceptions being Newcastle and, oh Everton!
I do not rate Moyes as a great manager,I dont think he is good enough for United, I dont think he will make Everton great again, but who will? given the circumstances he has provided a good platform. League status secure again, second semi final in 3 years.Financially, he has to be responsible for one of the few positive points at the club, allowing players to leave for good prices and replacing them for less,without severely damaging league position.
There is another factor in the match yesterday, 11 players in red. they didnt want to lose either! but there was no capitulation, until 3 minutes from the end the game was equal, a sucker punch! Shit, thats how cup matches go!
Michael - We werent fearful, Liverpool closed us down and harried us out of possession or into giving the ball away cheaply. I dont think our goal was the turning point either, we didnt really look like scoring in either half. They didnt give us a second on the ball and didnt let us play, as I said earlier, sadly I think they wanted it more. Perhaps because their backs were against the wall as results had been dreadful for them this year. I honestly dont know what Moyes could have done. He picked the side 90% of us wanted to see. Nelly you should calm down, blimey.
Wel it's gone 1.30pm and I'm stil bed totally and utterly depressed, in 40 years of supporting EFC I've had some magical ups and some terrible downs but right now I honestly believe this is the lowest I have ever felt
Exactly 24 hours ago we were still 1 up and I was sure we would do it
I know it is only a football game but I am behaving like I am in a bereavement
Well do you know what? I probably am as I have lost my dear Evertonian Football Club
I will wrting to Mr 24/7 ........... Mr Kenwright you have ruined my life, you will never be forgiven and I urge you to do that right thing and leave NOW
You are a phoney, a very good actor and not forgetting a professional actor a football chairman you are not. If you are the Evertonian you claim to be then please do the right thing
Exactly 24 hours ago we were still 1 up and I was sure we would do it
I know it is only a football game but I am behaving like I am in a bereavement
Well do you know what? I probably am as I have lost my dear Evertonian Football Club
I will wrting to Mr 24/7 ........... Mr Kenwright you have ruined my life, you will never be forgiven and I urge you to do that right thing and leave NOW
You are a phoney, a very good actor and not forgetting a professional actor a football chairman you are not. If you are the Evertonian you claim to be then please do the right thing
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4158639/Football-transfer-gossip-news.html
Money isnt important? find good players,train them up, then let someone with more money to pay them sign them up. But the money makes no difference..........
Money isnt important? find good players,train them up, then let someone with more money to pay them sign them up. But the money makes no difference..........
A shocking day to be putting that link up Jim.
Jim 773
Disagree my friend about worst red team, this run they are on is the worst since 1959 FACT
3rd choice keeper, Gerrard is on the decline, Carragher was finished 2 years ago and we cannot beat them so how great are we?
Disagree my friend about worst red team, this run they are on is the worst since 1959 FACT
3rd choice keeper, Gerrard is on the decline, Carragher was finished 2 years ago and we cannot beat them so how great are we?
james. It is what it is. any day.
Paul, gerrard declining? his hatrick didnt indicate that.. I dont want to sound like a liverpool fan, or make excuses for a performance that didnt reach the heights we expected, but equally, I find the abuse and hounding or the manager excessive.
Carragher is quite obviously not what he was (still a prick), but still a decent defender.
record bad run? yep, Fact, yep, cant argue with stats. But our own fans argue against stats every week when they slate our manager and his record!
I want cups. I want titles. But this one just wasnt to be. sorry. Not the first time, probably not the last. but guys on here stating this is our lowest ebb? losing a semi final? how about the shrewsbury match? what about only staying in the top division because a wimbledon goal keeper takes bribes? getting thumped 7-1 by Arsenal? Realizing that the best squad in a generation can be pulled apart because a rich arab has bought up a perennial under achieving club that dont even own their own ground and wants to buy success?
Not happy with the result, but nowhere near the lowest ebb.
COYB.
Paul, gerrard declining? his hatrick didnt indicate that.. I dont want to sound like a liverpool fan, or make excuses for a performance that didnt reach the heights we expected, but equally, I find the abuse and hounding or the manager excessive.
Carragher is quite obviously not what he was (still a prick), but still a decent defender.
record bad run? yep, Fact, yep, cant argue with stats. But our own fans argue against stats every week when they slate our manager and his record!
I want cups. I want titles. But this one just wasnt to be. sorry. Not the first time, probably not the last. but guys on here stating this is our lowest ebb? losing a semi final? how about the shrewsbury match? what about only staying in the top division because a wimbledon goal keeper takes bribes? getting thumped 7-1 by Arsenal? Realizing that the best squad in a generation can be pulled apart because a rich arab has bought up a perennial under achieving club that dont even own their own ground and wants to buy success?
Not happy with the result, but nowhere near the lowest ebb.
COYB.
Someone please tell me if Moyes is not at fault then how is it that he has failed to mastermind a victory in three games over the shite this season. You would have though that a second and thrid opportunity would be enough to redeem himself? Yes? No?
We lose before we even start. Just like on Sunday, we will get hammered 3 0 off United.
Moyes will tell the players beating them will be like eating soup with a fork or some shit.
Moyes will tell the players beating them will be like eating soup with a fork or some shit.
Jim, Its a link to The Sun.. thats what he means !
mark. fair point.sorry.
mark. fair point.sorry.
If David Moyes is the answer... it must have been one stupid question.
Well Matthew, the dust has settled in my neck of the woods and I still feel rock bottom at our feeble efforts in such a huge match.
In the last 10 years, we've probably played in 4-5 really big games (Champions League, 3 Cup Semis and a Cup Final)
My point is that these games haven't come around that often for us, and the least we can expect is that we acquit our selves to the best of our abilities.
Yesterday we did not do this at all. Perhaps next season we will get another shot, and it would certainly not be beyond Moyes and this side (provided they stay together) to engineer another Cup run.
But for now, the wounds are deep and will take some time to heal, and the manager is rightly getting the flak.
In the last 10 years, we've probably played in 4-5 really big games (Champions League, 3 Cup Semis and a Cup Final)
My point is that these games haven't come around that often for us, and the least we can expect is that we acquit our selves to the best of our abilities.
Yesterday we did not do this at all. Perhaps next season we will get another shot, and it would certainly not be beyond Moyes and this side (provided they stay together) to engineer another Cup run.
But for now, the wounds are deep and will take some time to heal, and the manager is rightly getting the flak.
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