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The Bad guys always win

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Three humiliating losses this season alone to the Dark Side, and an embarrassing record against them during the past 10 years. Why do the dark sides, the baddies always seem to win? I?m just thinking out loud here, so no scientific basis for my arguments.

Those teams who tend to win things always seem to have a nasty element to them ? they are teams we love to hate. Why is that? What is it that they have and we don?t? ? Apart from money, and maybe more trophies as of late?

To me, it seems to be a constant streak of tension, scandals, nasty players, nasty managers... We seem to want to be the nice team, The People?s Club, the underdogs, the good guys.

I have no problem with that ? but I?m starting to think you need a small bit of arrogance to score goals and win things.

If you are not Barcelona, then you need to be a bit cocky and cheeky and brazen to get that bit between your teeth and shoot and try things which you normally might not do ? take the risk, ask questions of the opposition and go for the win. It?s no good trying to be the nice guys ? that will not win you anything.

And when you get plaudits for your form, for your manager ? does that mean you have to slip back into the role of the underdog and be nice once more? On Saturday we looked like a team who were happy with themselves ? as it is ? 11 good friends, good spirit, lovely lads ? but missing Peter Reid, Tommy Gravesen, Big Dunc, Lee Carsley and a crunching tackle from Phil Neville.

So here?s my question: Are we afraid to win? Are we afraid of the limelight? Are we afraid to be big again, winners, and therefore unpopular?

So those of you who say ? no bad boys on our team please?. Think twice about that. It?s not all about money ? it?s about being brazen, chancing your luck and bloody using the wind (or was it a hurricane after such a good run?) in your back to go into such an important game with your heads up and all guns blazing to for once and for all be counted and show what your made of.

The footballing talent is there ? the badness, bite and crunch and cheek are missing. Get the balance right and you have a good chance of success. And don?t be afraid to win and to elbow your way to the top. You can get back to being nice after the match if you want.


Kevin  O'Regan, Munich     Posted 17/04/2012 at 08:33:29

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Kevin Tully
787   Posted 17/04/2012 at 14:29:39

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Just look at the way other teams surround the ref when a big decision doesn't go their way.

We are too nice all round.
Paul David
788   Posted 17/04/2012 at 14:26:06

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When you say bad guy, I agree; not a cheat ? I don't want any at my club ever ? but I do miss having a hard man.

Duncan took it too far sometimes but a raging Duncan scaring the shit out of defenders got the crown going as much as a goal.

Whether it's a hardman I miss or just someone with pride, I don't know.
Simon Atkins
846   Posted 17/04/2012 at 16:38:02

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Oh what i would give for a nasty, horrible little git of a player prowling round midfield.

We are far too nice. It pisses me off when you see the likes of cahill, neville, baines etc being kicked all over the place and then having a little love in with that very same opposing player when they offer to pick them up from the floor to which they just put them.

Roy Keane said in his book that when he sensed the crowd was quiet he would pick out the opposition's best player and snap him! Bloody genius.

Who thinks that when the scum equalised on Saturday and our crowd was understandably quiet and tense that new life would have been injected into us if somebody would have snapped Suarez/Gerrard?
Nick Entwistle
847   Posted 17/04/2012 at 16:29:21

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I was speaking with a mate and we were discussing Ronaldo. I told him of this time he played for Utd and they were 2-0 up against Derby going into injury time. He dribbled into the box and the shot was on. Instead of shot, goal and glory he chose to dive and win the penalty. I asked how good does he feel he needs to be before he stops diving and being a dick.

My mate said something quite pertinent which was that he may be a dick but he probably used that side of him to get where he is now. And that's probably true.

But I'll pass if you don't mind, I don't want our players being dicks and chasing the ref, falling over, looking to gain advantage... and Jelavic better buck up his ideas as well, falling all over as if he's just been nutted. Tool.

Maybe I grew up with the image of Terry Butcher, white shirt soaked red. But you just get on with football, once it becomes something other than a sport you may as well jack it in.
Mick Wrende
866   Posted 17/04/2012 at 17:20:26

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It's nothing to do with being nice or bad ? it is having a manager who has no attacking ideas and is scared of the the bigger clubs.
Peter Mills
948   Posted 17/04/2012 at 20:37:35

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The Milky Bar Kid went armed with a knife to the gunfight at Wembley Coral. Evil Leroy had a pistol, but to the Kid's surprise it wasn't loaded so he wounded ol' Leroy and took the pistol off him.

At half time, the Kid took a look at this gun thing and put a couple of bullets in it, and said to himself "If I stand with my back to the fence and wave this thing around, maybe Evil Leroy will just lie down and die".

The plan always seemed a bit optimistic as Leroy had been in this position before. It might still have worked, but the Kid decided to look down the barrel and squeeze the trigger, twice, and the tumbleweed blew across the coral.
Craig Walker
162   Posted 18/04/2012 at 13:18:54

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That's what added to the pain on Saturday for me. Seeing the likes of Carragher, Bellamy and Suarez coming out on top. I never believe in fouling but I was willing Heitinga to knock Suarez's block off when the cheating racist picked the ball up and showed it to Johnny in the closing minutes. Seeing Bellamy come on and then immediately start remonstrating with the ref just turned my stomach.

When they beat us in the '86 final that was the moment I knew there was no God.

They always seem to land on their feet.
David Harrison
195   Posted 18/04/2012 at 15:02:19

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If football really is a metaphor for life then maybe I've been giving my kids duff advice and failed them as a father. Whereas I've been stressing the importance of honesty, loyalty and graft, I should have been encouraging cheating, lying, selfishness a la Tevez, Suarez, Balotelli et al.
Ray Jacques
198   Posted 18/04/2012 at 15:11:22

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Craig,

They always seem to land on their feet!!!

I am in my mid 40s and ever since I was a young boy following Everton, that one line sums up perfectly what I believe is true about Liverpool.

Well that plus the fact that I totally hate the horrible bastards.

Somehow they always find a way, eg, in penalty shoot-outs you know that Liverpool, Germany and Argentina will win!!!!! The two cup wins they had in 2005 and 2006 was the final proof needed.
Craig Walker
217   Posted 18/04/2012 at 16:02:33

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Ray.

The Carling cup this year was exactly the same. Kenny Miller misses a sitter in the final minutes. Cardiff miss penalties. Result: Dalglish wins them a trophy.

I'm not a hateful person but I genuinely hate LFC and all that they stand for.
Brian Waring
219   Posted 18/04/2012 at 16:08:04

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I hate the redshite with a vengeance, but if we had some of their mentality going into games, we may have won something by now.
Carl Thomas
279   Posted 18/04/2012 at 18:38:46

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It's because the RS are a big game team - hence they win a few cups now and then. However they struggle in run-of-the-mill league games which is why they will probably never win the league again (causes them no end of pain - just remind them that the mancs have won it 12 times since their last title).

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