Season 2011-12
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Well that's that then...
156 Comments: A little over 30 minutes into Liverpool v Chelsea and the reds are three up, one point behind and equal goal difference to us.
There will now only be one conclusion to our season. We'll screw it up somehow and drop below even Fulham. It will be a typical spawny clean sweep of the bragging rights for Liverpool.
To make me more annoyed I just heard Alan (insert insult for fun) Green be completely nonchalant about Liverpool finishing above Everton, and 'its only something Everton fans go on about'. Git.
7th would make me happy for the summer, but I've a feeling we'll be 9th and £1.6m down. Shankly's pact with the Devil continues.
Nick Entwistle, Posted 08/05/2012 at 20:33:55
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Agree with Lyndon. If the shite do finish above us, it won't be down to them being spawny.
Yep, won't beat Newcastle and the shite will win at Swansea. Moyes and the mention of Liverpool creates panic with him.
They won't beat Swansea and Fulham won't beat Spurs either.
Yep! We do make a habit of blowing our chances, dont we. We need to perform well against the barcodes, nothing less than a win for us. We just need to stop being such bottlers.
It doesn't matter whether we finish above the shite or not. They've turned us over 3 times this season. The first game could be put down to poor refereeing but the bragging rights won't belong to us regardless of what happens on Saturday.
Don't write Swansea off so easily. They're better than the shite.
Don't write Swansea off so easily. They're better than the shite.
I can see it now - the RS bag 4 or more tonight making their goal difference better than ours.
We lose on Saturday and they draw.
They finish ahead of us on goal difference.
Still, it's in our hands to win on Saturday. (I just hope we don't rest players for our pre-season friendly against Preston!)
We lose on Saturday and they draw.
They finish ahead of us on goal difference.
Still, it's in our hands to win on Saturday. (I just hope we don't rest players for our pre-season friendly against Preston!)
I don't mean to be reactionary or anything but ... the comeback's on... 3-1 !
Pfft, 4-1 from 40 yards.
Alan Green, twat that he is, has a point.
They've won a cup with one of their worst teams in living memory, defeated us at Goodison.
Beat seven bells out of us at Anfield then showed what bottlers we are - at Wembley.
Us trying to crow over 7th place is cringeworthy, won't make a bit of difference where we finish.
Stuff happened this season that was shameful, just papering over the cracks - AGAIN!
They've won a cup with one of their worst teams in living memory, defeated us at Goodison.
Beat seven bells out of us at Anfield then showed what bottlers we are - at Wembley.
Us trying to crow over 7th place is cringeworthy, won't make a bit of difference where we finish.
Stuff happened this season that was shameful, just papering over the cracks - AGAIN!
We must beat Newcastle for two major reasons:
1) To make a point after the semi debacle that we are not bottlers.
2) To at least end a poor season with some respect and pride for the fans.
1) To make a point after the semi debacle that we are not bottlers.
2) To at least end a poor season with some respect and pride for the fans.
Andrew, us not bottling it against Newcastle makes up for nothing mate, and proves nothing either. at the end of the day ,we bottled it against the shite in the semi, thats all what matters.
Many will disagree, but under Moyes we have become even further behind than we ever have been to the worst Liverpool team since the 50's. 1999 the last time we won at Anfield, and he (Moyes) has lost to them 3 times in 6 months.
10 years of ??????? MOYES OUT!
I agree Joe. the funny thing is though, I still have lads telling me that were better than them.
We all know Liverpool are going to finish above us.The last time we finished above them it was only so they could ruin it for us by winning the CL.
They are proper shite. Yet we will likely finish below them meaning we are therefore shite...er.
Oh the dream ride Moyes and his cohorts have us on. Good times.
Oh the dream ride Moyes and his cohorts have us on. Good times.
Everton are more than capable of beating Newcastle. Why is almost every single post on this website so negative. They've spent an utter fortune to win some cup no big club gives a shit about.
Liverpool take advantage of a Chelsea team with a second choice goalkeeper but we couldn't take advantage of a third choice goalkeeper when it really mattered. The worst Liverpool team in living history for most of us and yet they win a cup, are in Europe next season and are within touching distance of us in the league. After next Sunday, please resign, David Moyes, and take the underperforming and not up to scratch players with you.
We need to win on Sunday for a host of reasons, among them pride, but were we to lose and both Fulham and the RS draw, we'd still claim 7th on goals scored.
We've won our last game of the campaign the last 4 seasons running (including a 3-1 win over Newcastle) so we just need to do it again and then none of this maths matters!
We've won our last game of the campaign the last 4 seasons running (including a 3-1 win over Newcastle) so we just need to do it again and then none of this maths matters!
Well, sorry to spoil the party, you pessimistic lot. I think we will do the Barcodes on sunday and finish seventh. Our defence will not let a goal in and Jelly will get a brace.
Christ, not surprising we lose with you lot cheering us on. Get a grip!!
Christ, not surprising we lose with you lot cheering us on. Get a grip!!
And replace these players with who, Richard Harris? With all the money in the Everton bank account. People call Moyes negative. Pot, kettle and black springs to mind. Your like a bunch of kopites.
I hate the RS as much as anyone but to be honest they have murdered every team they have played this season even when losing.There record v the top 4 is second to none.They have twatted us 3 times this season one of them in a semi at Wembley.They have knocked City and Utd out of Cups this season,won at Arsenal and Chelsea and won the Carling Cup. What the fuck have we done this season that's so special?
Talk about lowering the Bar.If finishing above Liverpool is all that matters then we are truely fucked as a football club. I don't give a shite about staying above them as its a very lame arguement to trot out down the pub when every time we play the Shite they smash us to pieces.
As a RS mate of mine said to a gang of Evertonians who were telling him what we would do at Wembley...I've heard it all before but we all know what will hasppen on the day. It's all going to end in tears. You know what, I never said a word but I knew he was right.
Talk about lowering the Bar.If finishing above Liverpool is all that matters then we are truely fucked as a football club. I don't give a shite about staying above them as its a very lame arguement to trot out down the pub when every time we play the Shite they smash us to pieces.
As a RS mate of mine said to a gang of Evertonians who were telling him what we would do at Wembley...I've heard it all before but we all know what will hasppen on the day. It's all going to end in tears. You know what, I never said a word but I knew he was right.
Not true Lyndon. If we lose by 1 goal and Liverpool draw then they finish above us with a goal difference 1 better
Tony Cheek #649
"Christ, not surprising we lose with you lot cheering us on. Get a grip!! "
Do you think it's the fans fault we have a poor start to the season almost every season ;-)
"Christ, not surprising we lose with you lot cheering us on. Get a grip!! "
Do you think it's the fans fault we have a poor start to the season almost every season ;-)
Sorry, you're right, Graham, I started writing that comment at 3-1.
Imagine the abuse 'our worst season ever and we still won a cup and finished ahead of you' there natural arrogance makes me ill but you know all too well that moyes and his team will choke come sunday whilst Roger swill roll over for Kenny. Everton stumbled ahead of Liverpool due to their inability to win a game and since we have been there we've choked two games in a row and will undoubtedly choke against Newcastle so that we can take our usual place below them. If we finish below them I'll be more annoyed than the three derby losses because it will just show that even in abject failure they're still better than us. Still, I suppose at the start of the season if you'd offered Everotn fans the chance to be a point ahead of Liverpool going into the last game they may have taken it but the circumstances don't really seem that appealing now.
Can we get a point?
Joe, re:
?Many will disagree, but under Moyes we have become even further behind than we ever have been to the worst Liverpool team since the 50's. 1999 the last time we won at Anfield, and he (Moyes) has lost to them 3 times in 6 months.?
More behind when he took over? when we had a relegation squad....give me a break
Also, I love how this thread begins with a belief we will come 9th...and in doing so, Fulham are going to overcome their dismal away record, Liverpool are going to beat a very impressive Swansea and we, in spite of a near flawless home record in recent months, are going to lose to Newcastle?
Pessimistic bastards. It?s as if some of you want the worse to happen. Liverpool have beaten Chelsea reserves tonight, in a game that clearly meant nothing to Chelski, and in which they made a catalogue of defensive errors. I Love how the result has sparked typical negativity though. How much have they spent since last January again?
?Many will disagree, but under Moyes we have become even further behind than we ever have been to the worst Liverpool team since the 50's. 1999 the last time we won at Anfield, and he (Moyes) has lost to them 3 times in 6 months.?
More behind when he took over? when we had a relegation squad....give me a break
Also, I love how this thread begins with a belief we will come 9th...and in doing so, Fulham are going to overcome their dismal away record, Liverpool are going to beat a very impressive Swansea and we, in spite of a near flawless home record in recent months, are going to lose to Newcastle?
Pessimistic bastards. It?s as if some of you want the worse to happen. Liverpool have beaten Chelsea reserves tonight, in a game that clearly meant nothing to Chelski, and in which they made a catalogue of defensive errors. I Love how the result has sparked typical negativity though. How much have they spent since last January again?
Well, we have to beat Newcastle, period. I would put a lot of money on RS winning at Swansea. Sorry, but I wouldn't put the same amount of money on us winning against Newcastle.
But as others have pointed out, it doesn't matter. Even if we finish above them I hardly think we could call it 'bragging' rights. Statistical anomaly more like !
But as others have pointed out, it doesn't matter. Even if we finish above them I hardly think we could call it 'bragging' rights. Statistical anomaly more like !
"Can we get a point?"Against a team that lost 4-0 at Wigan and has lost two of their last three games as the pressure of trying to finish in the top 4 gets to them? Of course we can get a point, Graham.
We're at home, we're unbeaten in eight and since the Blackburn game we've only dropped four points at Goodison.
Now, granted, the players will need to show up and display the urgency but we can beat Newcastle.
There's so much shit about the way Moyes is negative etc etc and most of what I see is a pathetic concern that we finish behind Liverpool, talk about negativity!!!!
SO WHAT! whether we finish behind Liverpool or not isn't the issue. Is our season defined by where we finish behind Liverpool! No, it's defined by where we finish.
We have an above average team, and we will finish in an above average position.... is that success or failure? Neither is reality.
SO WHAT! whether we finish behind Liverpool or not isn't the issue. Is our season defined by where we finish behind Liverpool! No, it's defined by where we finish.
We have an above average team, and we will finish in an above average position.... is that success or failure? Neither is reality.
Yeah but after losing to Wigan, didn't they win 2-0 at Chelsea? When Cisse scored that amazing goal... But still I think we can win, as I'm sure Liverpool will win at Swansea so we will need to.
Strac late winner for me from the bench
Tony Marsh, you're dead right mate. The RS might be shite but they have faired better than us when it has mattered. We have done nothing really noteworthy other than scuppering ManUre's title aspirations. The worst thing is that our 'achievements' as lauded by the media seem to have bought Moyes more time to continue with his dream.
We would all welcome a win against the barcodes but it wont enable us to brag as we've fuck all to brag about. 10 more years!!! FFS!!!
We would all welcome a win against the barcodes but it wont enable us to brag as we've fuck all to brag about. 10 more years!!! FFS!!!
Why are you more confident in Liverpool beating Swansea away then us beating Newcastle at home Brian? Who has taken more points in the league, and who has taken considerably more points since the January additions?
We lost a semi-final to Liverpool, and a match we gave them with half a team and a poor attitude. Get the fuck over it. Complain all you want, the semi now means nothing; Liverpool didn't win the Cup. Since January, we can be proud of this team in the league. With so little resources, we have brought in some great players, and pulled off some super results; Beating City, Spurs and Chelski at home, and coming from 3-1 and 4-2 to draw with United at Old Trafford and probaly cost them the title. Why does our league performance deserve such a pathetic level of support and expectation for the weekend?
We lost a semi-final to Liverpool, and a match we gave them with half a team and a poor attitude. Get the fuck over it. Complain all you want, the semi now means nothing; Liverpool didn't win the Cup. Since January, we can be proud of this team in the league. With so little resources, we have brought in some great players, and pulled off some super results; Beating City, Spurs and Chelski at home, and coming from 3-1 and 4-2 to draw with United at Old Trafford and probaly cost them the title. Why does our league performance deserve such a pathetic level of support and expectation for the weekend?
@ Joe McMahon
Maybe I misunderstood you but are you trying to say we are further behind Liverpool now than we were when they were sitting comfortably in the top half and we were in relegation scraps in 1994, 1998, 1999 and 2002?
They were hardly tearing it up back then and the Prem was easier in those days without the ridiculous sums flying about thanks to the Sheikhs and Oligarchs...
Maybe I misunderstood you but are you trying to say we are further behind Liverpool now than we were when they were sitting comfortably in the top half and we were in relegation scraps in 1994, 1998, 1999 and 2002?
They were hardly tearing it up back then and the Prem was easier in those days without the ridiculous sums flying about thanks to the Sheikhs and Oligarchs...
Andrew it was a daft comment lad, pinch of salt!
The red shite will have a scent for 7th now after that Chelsea win. Swansea will already be on their summer holidays come Sunday.
"Why are you more confident in Liverpool beating Swansea away then us beating Newcastle at home Brian?"
Jim, first of all, I would use the word "resigned" rather than "confident" - I take no pleasure in it. And the answer to your question is (to paraphrase Harold Macmillan) "Experience, dear boy, experience...."
Jim, first of all, I would use the word "resigned" rather than "confident" - I take no pleasure in it. And the answer to your question is (to paraphrase Harold Macmillan) "Experience, dear boy, experience...."
I think it's hilarious when some have a go about negativity among the fans.
What could possibly be the cause in this upbeat, win every challenge, ride of a lifetime sort of set up we presently enjoy?
I'm sure some have been in hibernation these past years.
What could possibly be the cause in this upbeat, win every challenge, ride of a lifetime sort of set up we presently enjoy?
I'm sure some have been in hibernation these past years.
But I hope I'm wrong. To make use of a rather appropriate quote "I would love it, just love it, if we finished above them".
Wouldn't make up for the semi-final though...
Wouldn't make up for the semi-final though...
Fuck me I hope the crowd on Sunday are up for it as most on here have already given up. So what the shite won tonight fuck them and fuck the Geordies as well.
I'm not one of Moyes biggest fans but lately apart from the 2 games against the shite we've played a lot better. Finishing above them won't make them 2 defeats go away. Only a dodgy linesman flag robbed us of 3 points against Wolves.
I'm not one of Moyes biggest fans but lately apart from the 2 games against the shite we've played a lot better. Finishing above them won't make them 2 defeats go away. Only a dodgy linesman flag robbed us of 3 points against Wolves.
It wouldn't, but nothing will, until next season comes. But the Semi-final is done with, and all that is left is the weekend, and coming seventh might just get us that extra bit of money for a transfer or loan fee. I'd also maintain that seventh with our squad, finances and wages, would be a good result. It will also taste better for finishing above a team that have spent over a 100million more than us in the last 15months.
That's chelsea and us who've sent the ressies to Anfield this year in recent memory. When you throw in the amount of teams (proudly not us this year) who throw in the towel at Old Trafford and the homes of the rest of the Sky 4, it's a wonder there's not a bloody inquest considering the £1m a place at stake at the top end of the league.
Chelsea have really stitched us up tonight and we only have ourselves to blame.
Listening to Souness after the game he was saying that KKK will definitely be telling the players he wants to finish above Everton and as for all this bollocks about them having a shit team, well when it counts they've got it, when it counts we've got fuck all!
Chelsea have really stitched us up tonight and we only have ourselves to blame.
Listening to Souness after the game he was saying that KKK will definitely be telling the players he wants to finish above Everton and as for all this bollocks about them having a shit team, well when it counts they've got it, when it counts we've got fuck all!
Who gives a shit whether we finish above them or not... the epitomy of small time.
Our season ended at Wembley, and Moyes kicked the stuffing out of this fan.
Our season ended at Wembley, and Moyes kicked the stuffing out of this fan.
This post and most of the reaction is ridiculous. At the turn of the year we were over 10 points behind the shite, now we are point ahead of them and yet all people do is point out the fact that we drew against the bottom of the league. Yes we should have won but on another day we would have had a penalty, not had a legitimate goal disallowed and gone on to win comfortably.
People need to get a grip!
People need to get a grip!
@ Leighton
I speak to a lot of Swansea season ticket holders and they want to spank Liverpool. Their fans are usually fairly spot on with what their team will do at home and they expect no summer holiday but a good end for a great season.
One guy told me we were one of the finest teams he's ever seen at the Liberty so he must know what he's talking about!
But seriously, I don't think they see it as a dead rubber.
I speak to a lot of Swansea season ticket holders and they want to spank Liverpool. Their fans are usually fairly spot on with what their team will do at home and they expect no summer holiday but a good end for a great season.
One guy told me we were one of the finest teams he's ever seen at the Liberty so he must know what he's talking about!
But seriously, I don't think they see it as a dead rubber.
The bad result and bad decision-making by Moyes last Saturday may now cost us seventh unless they get 3 points against Barcodes.
Didn't help either that Chelsea rested some key players and some of the replacements didn't give a hoot as they looked as if they were pissed at only being bit players most of the season.
Didn't help either that Chelsea rested some key players and some of the replacements didn't give a hoot as they looked as if they were pissed at only being bit players most of the season.
Mike Elbey (#678) ? You're the one who needs to get a grip... on Reality!
Wolves 0-0 Everton. That's the reality... NOT Wolves 0-2 Everton, FFS!
That's what people are responding to ? not your 'alternative reality' where you can invent some Fantasy Football bollocks scoreline "on another day"!!?!?! And then judge all the comments on that basis. Therein lies the path to madness.
Wolves 0-0 Everton. That's the reality... NOT Wolves 0-2 Everton, FFS!
That's what people are responding to ? not your 'alternative reality' where you can invent some Fantasy Football bollocks scoreline "on another day"!!?!?! And then judge all the comments on that basis. Therein lies the path to madness.
Ciaran #678 - That makes two of us then..
Andrew #682 when the guy you were speaking to said we were one of the best teams he had seen at the Liberty Stadium.. did you keep a straight face ? Its only been open a few seasons.. Even the most sceptical Everton fan would admit that we are actually one of the best teams he would have seen !
Haha, yeah who gives a shit whether we come seventh or ninth in the Premier League... it is so tough, what we have to deal with, in the best/second best league in the world...and we only have seventh to play for...poor us.
How many teams are there in the football league again?
I'll take seventh. Last time I checked, no money, and a mid-table wage bracket, makes us small time.
How many teams are there in the football league again?
I'll take seventh. Last time I checked, no money, and a mid-table wage bracket, makes us small time.
Agree with Ciaran, Our season ended at Wembley.
Liverpool will beat Swansea so we need to beat Newcastle which looks a tall order.
Liverpool will beat Swansea so we need to beat Newcastle which looks a tall order.
The negative coward in our dugout creates the atmosphere of doom and gloom that surrounds our club.
Not once in any of his pre match interviews has the miserable git displayed a confident positive outlook. When things go wrong he blames everyone and everything yet never admits to the slightest personal error.
The Newcastle game will provide a classic display of his depressing craven qualities. It is the season's finale, at home versus a side that until recently was a basket case.
To end this utterly forgettable season on a high will Moyes send his team out to attack, attack, attack? Will he demand his players give us something to clutch onto during the empty months that lie ahead or will he revert to type and bottle it.?
I state here and now that he will bottle it and I say that because the man has the mentality of a loser, it is in his DNA.
Not once in any of his pre match interviews has the miserable git displayed a confident positive outlook. When things go wrong he blames everyone and everything yet never admits to the slightest personal error.
The Newcastle game will provide a classic display of his depressing craven qualities. It is the season's finale, at home versus a side that until recently was a basket case.
To end this utterly forgettable season on a high will Moyes send his team out to attack, attack, attack? Will he demand his players give us something to clutch onto during the empty months that lie ahead or will he revert to type and bottle it.?
I state here and now that he will bottle it and I say that because the man has the mentality of a loser, it is in his DNA.
Dick.. If I may ask you for an honest answer, to a straight question ?
I see where your at, and Im of a similar view now ( emphasise the now, as I wasnt ! )
Was there any part of you, having saw how Chelsea started like a train in the FA Cup final, that thought, even for a SPLIT SECOND, "Thank fuck thats not us !?"
I see where your at, and Im of a similar view now ( emphasise the now, as I wasnt ! )
Was there any part of you, having saw how Chelsea started like a train in the FA Cup final, that thought, even for a SPLIT SECOND, "Thank fuck thats not us !?"
So you'll be celebrating, Mr Knightley?
Good for you.
Enjoy the Champagne and bunting.
Good for you.
Enjoy the Champagne and bunting.
Well said to those who pointed out that Chelski have fielded a reserve squad at Anfield as they want the CL title!
We have a great home record and will have Newcastle and beat them! Moyes should go for the throat on Sunday and show us the fans he has the minerals and belief in his team to beat a good side at home in a game that MEANS SOMETHING TO THE FANS!!!!!
If he wants to be a top manager he'd better get used to it and not wait for Sky favourite's Kudos to come calling for his services, wait... there I go again... sorry, sorry.
We have a great home record and will have Newcastle and beat them! Moyes should go for the throat on Sunday and show us the fans he has the minerals and belief in his team to beat a good side at home in a game that MEANS SOMETHING TO THE FANS!!!!!
If he wants to be a top manager he'd better get used to it and not wait for Sky favourite's Kudos to come calling for his services, wait... there I go again... sorry, sorry.
I am certain had Drenthe played in the last two games we would have won, instead Moyes has now fucked up, draw against Wolves is so poor there is no words for it, only disgust.
Drenthe deserved punishment but it was naive of Moyes to keep Drenthe out for the rest of the season, now the ugly fucking red shites are smileing and laughing at us.
Moyes needs to go, first he fucks half of every season, then he thinks he has done a good job.
How can ANY true Evertonian be pleased with Mooyes constant fuck ups?
Drenthe deserved punishment but it was naive of Moyes to keep Drenthe out for the rest of the season, now the ugly fucking red shites are smileing and laughing at us.
Moyes needs to go, first he fucks half of every season, then he thinks he has done a good job.
How can ANY true Evertonian be pleased with Mooyes constant fuck ups?
@ Mark Riding
He had seen, by that point, nearly 75% of the sides in the Prem including several of the big boys or teams who are allegedly better than us, I take that remark as a compliment especially as we took maximum points off Swansea and Everton being one of the few teams to work out how to nullify them completely.
Strangely we struggled with Norwich and QPR though! The latter were 6 points for the taking...and don't get me started on Bolton at home...
He had seen, by that point, nearly 75% of the sides in the Prem including several of the big boys or teams who are allegedly better than us, I take that remark as a compliment especially as we took maximum points off Swansea and Everton being one of the few teams to work out how to nullify them completely.
Strangely we struggled with Norwich and QPR though! The latter were 6 points for the taking...and don't get me started on Bolton at home...
Mark #693 If I may,
I thought from the off we didn't look comfortable considering the form we took to the game.
About your post tough,. no I never thought "Thank fuck that's not us!" That was what a team who believe in themselves and are taught to win play like.
Every man and his cat know it's down to the dumbing down of fans to the mighty quid, I tell you it is the height of an effrontery. Unbelievable. Oh Well, all eyes on Sunday!
I thought from the off we didn't look comfortable considering the form we took to the game.
About your post tough,. no I never thought "Thank fuck that's not us!" That was what a team who believe in themselves and are taught to win play like.
Every man and his cat know it's down to the dumbing down of fans to the mighty quid, I tell you it is the height of an effrontery. Unbelievable. Oh Well, all eyes on Sunday!
Jimmy Sørheim
Will you leave the Drenthe shit in the past, where it belongs. Moyes, like him, loathe him, whatever has had to work with very limited finances whilst he has been here. To expect us to compete with the big spenders is just plain stupidity.
Will you leave the Drenthe shit in the past, where it belongs. Moyes, like him, loathe him, whatever has had to work with very limited finances whilst he has been here. To expect us to compete with the big spenders is just plain stupidity.
Andrew, Bolton at home was the one that sticks in the memory. Making fucking N'Gogg look like Batistuta... Un-real.
Andrew, your friend may also have used the new facilities at the stadium to watch such acts like The Who.. Which again just goes to show how far we are behind in non-football marketing / revenue, but thats a different thread...
I wonder how many home fans from other opposing teams will have been able to say the same about us this year? ? I reckon that may well have been a good compliment after all!!
Andrew, your friend may also have used the new facilities at the stadium to watch such acts like The Who.. Which again just goes to show how far we are behind in non-football marketing / revenue, but thats a different thread...
I wonder how many home fans from other opposing teams will have been able to say the same about us this year? ? I reckon that may well have been a good compliment after all!!
Michael Kenrick ? try reading my post before making a stupid reply. I said on another day we COULD have won, not that we did win. We are a point ahead of the shite with a home game to go, what's thee fuckin problem!
Oh sorry I forgot, we need an excuse to have a go at David Moyes and Everton, don't we Mr Kenrick, forget that we are one of the form teams since the turn of the year as that doesn't fit your argument does it.
As I said, get a grip.
Oh sorry I forgot, we need an excuse to have a go at David Moyes and Everton, don't we Mr Kenrick, forget that we are one of the form teams since the turn of the year as that doesn't fit your argument does it.
As I said, get a grip.
Ha,ha ha. You are a funny man Mike.
I find it strange that Moyes brought Drenthe in on loan if he had no intention of letting him play enough to get us where we need to be!
Moyes logic makes me laugh, here Moyes picks up a player he fully knows is no angel, yet he acts outraged when Drenthe lives up to his reputation.
David Moyes must be the most naive manager in the PL.
I find it strange that Moyes brought Drenthe in on loan if he had no intention of letting him play enough to get us where we need to be!
Moyes logic makes me laugh, here Moyes picks up a player he fully knows is no angel, yet he acts outraged when Drenthe lives up to his reputation.
David Moyes must be the most naive manager in the PL.
Fuck Liverpool Football Club. You have 21 digits. Fuck em in whatever opening fits.
Newcastle's up next for us.
Fuck them.
COYB!
Newcastle's up next for us.
Fuck them.
COYB!
Jimmy.
I am sure Moyes had intentions of playing him enough, IF, he put in and worked as a team member.
Your logic makes me laugh. As if Moyes would waste his time on someone he had no intention of playing. Unfortunately the world is not quite the place you seem to think it is. Wildly inaccurate suggestions as yours are very amusing.
I am sure Moyes had intentions of playing him enough, IF, he put in and worked as a team member.
Your logic makes me laugh. As if Moyes would waste his time on someone he had no intention of playing. Unfortunately the world is not quite the place you seem to think it is. Wildly inaccurate suggestions as yours are very amusing.
Andrew James, Bolton was a bad one, but the conditions were awful that night, if you remember.
Think some of you other lot on here have short memories. Would you rather have more exteme highs and lows under a new boss and be struggling to stay in the league or paying a bit safer under Davy and finishing top 8 every year?
Look at Villa and Martin O'Neil. They used to be our main rivals (outside the big spending clubs) until he left. Surly EFC would fall the same way without Moyes and in 2 seasons we'd be back where we were when he took over ? nowhere. Chin up lads! It could be much, much worse!!!
Think some of you other lot on here have short memories. Would you rather have more exteme highs and lows under a new boss and be struggling to stay in the league or paying a bit safer under Davy and finishing top 8 every year?
Look at Villa and Martin O'Neil. They used to be our main rivals (outside the big spending clubs) until he left. Surly EFC would fall the same way without Moyes and in 2 seasons we'd be back where we were when he took over ? nowhere. Chin up lads! It could be much, much worse!!!
Mike Elbey (#704)
As far as I am aware, the points awarded are 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, and 0 points for "woulda could shoulda". I said before drawing at RELEGATED Wolves ? a team that has lost its last 10 HOME games ? is UNFORGIVEABLE. As is CAPITULATING not once but THREE times in one season to the worst RS team for many years.
If we do finish below them then Moyes will have hammered the final nail in his coffin. With Moyes, We're Bust ? we will never win anything with this Dire Dour Defensive Tactically Inept BOTTLER in charge.
As far as I am aware, the points awarded are 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, and 0 points for "woulda could shoulda". I said before drawing at RELEGATED Wolves ? a team that has lost its last 10 HOME games ? is UNFORGIVEABLE. As is CAPITULATING not once but THREE times in one season to the worst RS team for many years.
If we do finish below them then Moyes will have hammered the final nail in his coffin. With Moyes, We're Bust ? we will never win anything with this Dire Dour Defensive Tactically Inept BOTTLER in charge.
Sorry to say this but it's very very sad and pathetic that getting above the Shite in the league is even mentioned. So if they came 17th and we came 16th, would that make you feel better? Bigger?? No wonder they call us bitter and small time.
We should be aiming to get as far up the league without paying any attention and wasted breath on the Shite or any other club.
If you want to go on about the Shite or this season, please do remember they twatted us 3 times. David Moyes threw the game at Anfield. A derby game! The entire coaching staff and players bottled the semi... against the worse Shite in the past 30 years! Against the 3rd choice reserve goalie. Rabbit Tooth and fucking Ponytail Man scored against us. The most detested and crappiest pair of all players this season!
I want you to boast about getting 7th and have the same 3 losses posted on your t-shirt.
And you wonder why Bill and Moyes get away with everything when the fans so conveniently forgive and forget.
Pathetic! Disgusted!!!
We should be aiming to get as far up the league without paying any attention and wasted breath on the Shite or any other club.
If you want to go on about the Shite or this season, please do remember they twatted us 3 times. David Moyes threw the game at Anfield. A derby game! The entire coaching staff and players bottled the semi... against the worse Shite in the past 30 years! Against the 3rd choice reserve goalie. Rabbit Tooth and fucking Ponytail Man scored against us. The most detested and crappiest pair of all players this season!
I want you to boast about getting 7th and have the same 3 losses posted on your t-shirt.
And you wonder why Bill and Moyes get away with everything when the fans so conveniently forgive and forget.
Pathetic! Disgusted!!!
This season started with a WHIMPER at home to QPR and continued with a pathetic first half of the season and was compounded by WEAK, PATHETIC surrender to the RS, not once, not twice... but THREE TIMES.
It looks like the season is coming to the same anticlimactic close that it started with a DRAW against an ALREADY relegated side that had just lost its previous 10 HOME GAMES. Who knows what is in store against the Barcodes? ? Maybe one of Dire Dour Defensive Tactically Inept Davey Boys "SATISFACTORY" draws.
Reading some of the comments on here, it's easy to see how Billy Liar and Dour Davey get away with it... there are too many people making their EXCUSES for them.
WMWB
It looks like the season is coming to the same anticlimactic close that it started with a DRAW against an ALREADY relegated side that had just lost its previous 10 HOME GAMES. Who knows what is in store against the Barcodes? ? Maybe one of Dire Dour Defensive Tactically Inept Davey Boys "SATISFACTORY" draws.
Reading some of the comments on here, it's easy to see how Billy Liar and Dour Davey get away with it... there are too many people making their EXCUSES for them.
WMWB
Mike Elbey (#704), what do you think I was responding to if it was not what was written in your ridiculous post?
Here, it helps, I'll quote the arrant nonsense YOU posted: "on another day we would have had a penalty, not had a legitimate goal disallowed and gone on to win comfortably. People need to get a grip!"
Why post that if not to negate the reality of what actually happened at Molineux? If not to defuse the perfectly valid reactions of many fans?
I obviously read your post: that's how I knew what you were doing, that's how I could state that the method you chose to make your point was devoid of reason. You use a nonsense alternative reality, that "on another day we would have won" as a reason for slamming other posters who have made perfectly reasonable comments that don't rely for their basis on some fantasy.
All I ask is that people stick to the reality of what happened during the game ? good goal wrongly disallowed for offside; penalty claim not given ? as a basis for subsequent discussion and reaction... not inventing stuff that didn't happen or relying on some fantasy outcome as a basis for arguing a different reality.
To say "on another day we would have won" is both pointless and meaningless; to use it as a stick with which to pummel your fellow Evertonians for quite reasonably expecting more on the basis of current form is reprehensible.
And guess what! I read this latest post of yours too... and I read the bit where you claimed "I said on another day we COULD have won, not that we did win." Let's compare it with what you wrote originally: "on another day we would have ... gone on to win comfortably" Hmmm... can you see the difference? It's total bollocks.
And please don't try to redefine my 'argument'. I've said nothing about Moyes: the focus here is entirely on the bollocks you posted.
Here, it helps, I'll quote the arrant nonsense YOU posted: "on another day we would have had a penalty, not had a legitimate goal disallowed and gone on to win comfortably. People need to get a grip!"
Why post that if not to negate the reality of what actually happened at Molineux? If not to defuse the perfectly valid reactions of many fans?
I obviously read your post: that's how I knew what you were doing, that's how I could state that the method you chose to make your point was devoid of reason. You use a nonsense alternative reality, that "on another day we would have won" as a reason for slamming other posters who have made perfectly reasonable comments that don't rely for their basis on some fantasy.
All I ask is that people stick to the reality of what happened during the game ? good goal wrongly disallowed for offside; penalty claim not given ? as a basis for subsequent discussion and reaction... not inventing stuff that didn't happen or relying on some fantasy outcome as a basis for arguing a different reality.
To say "on another day we would have won" is both pointless and meaningless; to use it as a stick with which to pummel your fellow Evertonians for quite reasonably expecting more on the basis of current form is reprehensible.
And guess what! I read this latest post of yours too... and I read the bit where you claimed "I said on another day we COULD have won, not that we did win." Let's compare it with what you wrote originally: "on another day we would have ... gone on to win comfortably" Hmmm... can you see the difference? It's total bollocks.
And please don't try to redefine my 'argument'. I've said nothing about Moyes: the focus here is entirely on the bollocks you posted.
Michael Kenrick #717, I understand and agree it's an oxymoron and no basis for discussion.
It looks as though it doesn't mean much finishing above the RS, even after all that's happened this season. It's got to mean we finished above them but didn't outplay them ? but this is the whole point, even when some think it means nothing. It's called ambition and achieving targets ? something I think, if adopted before Big Games, then the chance of success will increase... and the fans will walk away half-satisfied with the effort put in!
It SHOULD at least be learning curve....
It looks as though it doesn't mean much finishing above the RS, even after all that's happened this season. It's got to mean we finished above them but didn't outplay them ? but this is the whole point, even when some think it means nothing. It's called ambition and achieving targets ? something I think, if adopted before Big Games, then the chance of success will increase... and the fans will walk away half-satisfied with the effort put in!
It SHOULD at least be learning curve....
Beating Newcastle will represent an improvement on last season's points tally.
If Moyes can manage that this time around, imagine what he could do when the penny finally drops and he realises that playing Cahill and Neville this season has been the equivalent of playing with nine men for most of it.
Fuck these two "legends" off; they talk the talk but whenever it's counted, they have shown they are nowhere near up to the task.
When these two shirked the fight against RS at Wembley (again), it should have been for the last time. Let's have leaders who can actually play and don't feel inferior to the Gerrards and Lampards.
Of course, it's important we beat Newcastle; it could be the difference between signing Pienaar or not.
If Moyes can manage that this time around, imagine what he could do when the penny finally drops and he realises that playing Cahill and Neville this season has been the equivalent of playing with nine men for most of it.
Fuck these two "legends" off; they talk the talk but whenever it's counted, they have shown they are nowhere near up to the task.
When these two shirked the fight against RS at Wembley (again), it should have been for the last time. Let's have leaders who can actually play and don't feel inferior to the Gerrards and Lampards.
Of course, it's important we beat Newcastle; it could be the difference between signing Pienaar or not.
Gee... what's all this fuss about buying Pienaar ? as though he is some sort of saviour. Fuck me dead, what did he do in the games at Stoke and Wolves that was anything special?
A good player but at 30, it was good business when we sold him to Spurs. Buying him back doesn't make sense when we have McFadden (freebie) who, with games, is a decent prospect. If he comes back, then no more than £1mil and £25k a week, tops.
Quick, sign up Cahill on an extended contract. We need to tie him to the club until he is 36 and Neville we can't afford to lose him either so lock him in till he is 40 and he can take the place of Wier when he hangs up his boots, unless he plays on to retirement age 65.
A good player but at 30, it was good business when we sold him to Spurs. Buying him back doesn't make sense when we have McFadden (freebie) who, with games, is a decent prospect. If he comes back, then no more than £1mil and £25k a week, tops.
Quick, sign up Cahill on an extended contract. We need to tie him to the club until he is 36 and Neville we can't afford to lose him either so lock him in till he is 40 and he can take the place of Wier when he hangs up his boots, unless he plays on to retirement age 65.
Why don't all supporters get behind ex-blue Davey Jones for the new Everton manager?
He has just got Sheffield Wednesday promoted playing great attacking football in-front of 38,000 fans, and he knows how the fans feel when we play Liverpool, being an ex-Blue and from the area. When he managed Cardiff, he did as good as Moyes (at Preston) by getting them to the play-offs.
Everton need a change after 10 years and we could save on the £65,000 (£3 million a year) pay packet for a negative, defeatest jock from Glasgow. Let another team have him for 10 years! (He won't last that long without Kenwright as chairman...)
Paul, I think you're jumping the gun. The position of Everton manager is not vacant. And it seems very unlikely there will be a vacancy there any time soon.
I believe we did take a manager from Sheffield Wednesday once before, and he worked out to be pretty good... but, as the saying goes: "past performance is no guarantee for future results."
What next? Maybe we should think about changing our shirt colours from blue to red to increase our visibility in the Far East!
I believe we did take a manager from Sheffield Wednesday once before, and he worked out to be pretty good... but, as the saying goes: "past performance is no guarantee for future results."
What next? Maybe we should think about changing our shirt colours from blue to red to increase our visibility in the Far East!
Some on here not caring either way if we finish above Liverpool have me scratching my head.
Most of the time we don't and we put up with it, but we've had a number of months topping them in the table and yet they can pip us on the last day of the season.
Those who don't care cite the semi as season over, but there's no point in dismissing everything else afterwards just to show your dislike for Moyes.
I don't think its coincidental, and you do care, you just got nothing on Moyes that's going to get him the boot so you complain about everything.
Most of the time we don't and we put up with it, but we've had a number of months topping them in the table and yet they can pip us on the last day of the season.
Those who don't care cite the semi as season over, but there's no point in dismissing everything else afterwards just to show your dislike for Moyes.
I don't think its coincidental, and you do care, you just got nothing on Moyes that's going to get him the boot so you complain about everything.
Personally I'd only take pleasure in finishing above the shite if we finished 17th.
Nick you are right in saying there's nothing on to get Moyes the boot, coz the facking chairman's yardstick is so pathetically low and distanced from NSNO.
But if KITAP1 is the yardstick for success than I suppose we should care.
Moyes OUT!
But if KITAP1 is the yardstick for success than I suppose we should care.
Moyes OUT!
Of course Michael you are always right aren't you. You know what maybe we should just win every game and then people like you would be happy.
Any reasonable person knows the point I was trying to make, that being that the performance wasnt as dire as some previous games earlier in the season and with a bit of luck we COULD have won. We have played far worse and won this season, this was not some sort of hapless effort as we have seen before. We are on a good run, it was not the win we wanted granted but it was a point and a win at home on the last day will guarantee 7th.
You know what all teams drop points against teams they expect to beat throughout the season. Man U lost at Wigan, Man City lost at Swansea, Arsenal lost at home to Wigan, Spurs lost at home to Norwich - did you expect any of those results ? - It happens.
The point I was making is that we have one indifferent result and everyone goes mad. That was justified in the first half of the season, not now, and if you cant see that then we will just have to agree to differ, simple as that.
Any reasonable person knows the point I was trying to make, that being that the performance wasnt as dire as some previous games earlier in the season and with a bit of luck we COULD have won. We have played far worse and won this season, this was not some sort of hapless effort as we have seen before. We are on a good run, it was not the win we wanted granted but it was a point and a win at home on the last day will guarantee 7th.
You know what all teams drop points against teams they expect to beat throughout the season. Man U lost at Wigan, Man City lost at Swansea, Arsenal lost at home to Wigan, Spurs lost at home to Norwich - did you expect any of those results ? - It happens.
The point I was making is that we have one indifferent result and everyone goes mad. That was justified in the first half of the season, not now, and if you cant see that then we will just have to agree to differ, simple as that.
Nick,
Number of months above the shite ? I think you should check that out, we went above them about a week before the semi final which was less than a month ago ! For the majority of the season they have been well above us in the table and its only our good run since the turn ofv the year and their terrible form over the same period that has seen us overtake them.
There again the argument is stronger if we all make out that we've been above them for half the season and we are about to fuck it up isnt it ....
Number of months above the shite ? I think you should check that out, we went above them about a week before the semi final which was less than a month ago ! For the majority of the season they have been well above us in the table and its only our good run since the turn ofv the year and their terrible form over the same period that has seen us overtake them.
There again the argument is stronger if we all make out that we've been above them for half the season and we are about to fuck it up isnt it ....
Those who don't care cite the semi as season over, but there's no point in dismissing everything else afterwards just to show your dislike for Moyes.
I don't think its coincidental, and you do care, you just got nothing on Moyes that's going to get him the boot so you complain about everything.
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Thanks for explaining how and why I feel like this Nick, but as usual, you're wrong.
My position is not a protest vote aganst Moyes, it is a result of Moyes's actions.
His antics have ended the season, and made me not give a flying fuck about watching my team. And I despise him for that.
The derby decision was bad enough, but to come out and defend that decision was criminal. That's no dignity or integrity in what he said after the derby.
Not only that, he openly stated that he'd got it right and that he'd rest more players if he had to do it again. Tell me that's a man with humility?
Then sacrificing Drenthe for the sake of his own sense of righteousness ? that little stunt probably cost us a final place. If Drenthe's a twat, then fair enough ? boot him up the hole afterwards ? don't put your own sense of discipline before the needs of the team.
I don't fucking care Nick. Get that through your skull.
I don't think its coincidental, and you do care, you just got nothing on Moyes that's going to get him the boot so you complain about everything.
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Thanks for explaining how and why I feel like this Nick, but as usual, you're wrong.
My position is not a protest vote aganst Moyes, it is a result of Moyes's actions.
His antics have ended the season, and made me not give a flying fuck about watching my team. And I despise him for that.
The derby decision was bad enough, but to come out and defend that decision was criminal. That's no dignity or integrity in what he said after the derby.
Not only that, he openly stated that he'd got it right and that he'd rest more players if he had to do it again. Tell me that's a man with humility?
Then sacrificing Drenthe for the sake of his own sense of righteousness ? that little stunt probably cost us a final place. If Drenthe's a twat, then fair enough ? boot him up the hole afterwards ? don't put your own sense of discipline before the needs of the team.
I don't fucking care Nick. Get that through your skull.
Nick #727, we've seen in posts passim that people here view the derby differently. Some see it as another game. Some see it as the be all and end all. I would guess that the majority were between the two poles.
But, I do wonder whether where you were born / grew up has anything to do with it. This isn't a go at out of town Blues - everyone is a fan, but if you grew up and we're either dreading or looking forward to work/school on a Monday, you'll understand.
The reason why Moyes alienated me after March's capitulation at Anfield was the way he happily wrote it off, before, during and after the match. Others pointed out at the time if he were manager of Celtic, would he do that in a derby at Ibrox? No, cos he understands what it means. After 10 years here he should bloody well know what it means to a lot of the fanbase.
However there were numerous posts after that game all but praising his decisions, and stand point afterwards. This continued even after the semi final surrender.
We may not all agree, and I suspect some on here would never agree with each other, but we do have to accept that as fans, we have a diversity of opinions, beliefs, expectations and, I'd even say standards.
But, I do wonder whether where you were born / grew up has anything to do with it. This isn't a go at out of town Blues - everyone is a fan, but if you grew up and we're either dreading or looking forward to work/school on a Monday, you'll understand.
The reason why Moyes alienated me after March's capitulation at Anfield was the way he happily wrote it off, before, during and after the match. Others pointed out at the time if he were manager of Celtic, would he do that in a derby at Ibrox? No, cos he understands what it means. After 10 years here he should bloody well know what it means to a lot of the fanbase.
However there were numerous posts after that game all but praising his decisions, and stand point afterwards. This continued even after the semi final surrender.
We may not all agree, and I suspect some on here would never agree with each other, but we do have to accept that as fans, we have a diversity of opinions, beliefs, expectations and, I'd even say standards.
Jimmy Sorheim,
Do you fancy Drenthe or something ? What has he done for you to be so up his arse ?
Drenthe has no discipline and certainly no willingness to buy into Moyes and the teams work ethic. I am not saying Moyes tactics are right but whilst he is in charge they are the ones he will deploy. Drenthe would have been dealt with in exactly the same way by any decent manager - he is a lazy gobshite who is more interested in himself than the team. The RS are welcome to him - and Jimmy, if he goes there dont worry, you will be able to watch him on MOTD every week...
Do you fancy Drenthe or something ? What has he done for you to be so up his arse ?
Drenthe has no discipline and certainly no willingness to buy into Moyes and the teams work ethic. I am not saying Moyes tactics are right but whilst he is in charge they are the ones he will deploy. Drenthe would have been dealt with in exactly the same way by any decent manager - he is a lazy gobshite who is more interested in himself than the team. The RS are welcome to him - and Jimmy, if he goes there dont worry, you will be able to watch him on MOTD every week...
I was embellishing my argument Mike by introducing a complete lie to the proceedings. I have no shame... a day a month, either way the last day of the season is no place to not care if Liverpool jump above us.
Peter (716),
I do agree regarding Moyes' dire negative comments. Believe it or not I am not a Moyes supporter.
However I just think the reaction to us drawing and the shite winning is over the top. Whilst the result was poor on Sunday the performance was nowhere near as bad as some of the other shite we have had to put up with this season. And more importantly we did spend the whole game attacking them and trying to win, something that we have not done in the past.
If we had gone to Wolves and just sat back and tried to win only in the last 10 minutes I would agree with the majority of the comments but we didnt, we pressed for the whole game but things didnt run for us and we didnt win - it happens.
I do agree regarding Moyes' dire negative comments. Believe it or not I am not a Moyes supporter.
However I just think the reaction to us drawing and the shite winning is over the top. Whilst the result was poor on Sunday the performance was nowhere near as bad as some of the other shite we have had to put up with this season. And more importantly we did spend the whole game attacking them and trying to win, something that we have not done in the past.
If we had gone to Wolves and just sat back and tried to win only in the last 10 minutes I would agree with the majority of the comments but we didnt, we pressed for the whole game but things didnt run for us and we didnt win - it happens.
Matt, my point on the semi is that those who are most vocal on these pages to see an end to the Moyes era are the ones on this thread saying the season was over at the semi final and it doesn't matter where we finish to Liverpool.
I don't think that is the case, and is edging towards sophistry. Anything and everything on these pages generates anti-Moyes sentiments and this is thread another. Of course it means something to finish above Liverpool... yet apparently that is 'the definition of small time', a new favourite phrase on TW, which can only mean Moyes has us thinking small time and he must go blah blah...
I don't think that is the case, and is edging towards sophistry. Anything and everything on these pages generates anti-Moyes sentiments and this is thread another. Of course it means something to finish above Liverpool... yet apparently that is 'the definition of small time', a new favourite phrase on TW, which can only mean Moyes has us thinking small time and he must go blah blah...
Nick,
Deep down we all want to finish above the shite. We are a point above them with one home game to go. After the Man U game we were 2 points ahead of them and they had a home game against West Brom later in the day - did you think that would be anything other than 3 points to the shite ?
The point I am making is that if at Christmas someone would have said going into the last game we would be a point ahead of them most people would have laughed - we were about 10 points behind them.
We are on a good run (semi disgrace apart), we are at home, they are away and we only need to match their result - why such the negativity ?
Maybe all of us need to start believing more - like we did at Sunderland ? and like the Shite do all the time ? Its not just the manager and players, we as supporters have a part to play as well. Just think of that Sunderland game - everyone connected with Everton that day had a belief and desire that we would win and it just swept Sunderland away. If we are like that on Sunday, from manager to fans, then we will beat Newcastle, simple as that.
Deep down we all want to finish above the shite. We are a point above them with one home game to go. After the Man U game we were 2 points ahead of them and they had a home game against West Brom later in the day - did you think that would be anything other than 3 points to the shite ?
The point I am making is that if at Christmas someone would have said going into the last game we would be a point ahead of them most people would have laughed - we were about 10 points behind them.
We are on a good run (semi disgrace apart), we are at home, they are away and we only need to match their result - why such the negativity ?
Maybe all of us need to start believing more - like we did at Sunderland ? and like the Shite do all the time ? Its not just the manager and players, we as supporters have a part to play as well. Just think of that Sunderland game - everyone connected with Everton that day had a belief and desire that we would win and it just swept Sunderland away. If we are like that on Sunday, from manager to fans, then we will beat Newcastle, simple as that.
Nick, I agree the season ends for us on Sunday, at around 5pm. I also agree that for some on here the season is over before it's started...
However, I do think that Moyes does dumb down expectations, I suspect it's on the orders of the Club. The media have bought into this shite, and so have a significant proportion of the fans. We are forever punching above our weight, over-achieving, whatever, but my point is by constantly low-balling targets, it makes BK and chums look like the good guys, and not at all that we are a financial fuck-up only a couple of bad turns away from administration.
The standard of media coverage of the Prem is dire, and it's the same all over the world. Read some of the American sites that come up on the media feed on the home page occasionally. They're not only not talking about Everton, I don't think they're taking about the UK or even the game of Association Football.
However, I do think that Moyes does dumb down expectations, I suspect it's on the orders of the Club. The media have bought into this shite, and so have a significant proportion of the fans. We are forever punching above our weight, over-achieving, whatever, but my point is by constantly low-balling targets, it makes BK and chums look like the good guys, and not at all that we are a financial fuck-up only a couple of bad turns away from administration.
The standard of media coverage of the Prem is dire, and it's the same all over the world. Read some of the American sites that come up on the media feed on the home page occasionally. They're not only not talking about Everton, I don't think they're taking about the UK or even the game of Association Football.
Mike, I'm one happy pill away from superceeding Doddy on these pages for positivity. I was writing articles before Christmas saying we'd be challenging for Europe come May, but the negativity in this instance is why I had wrote about not getting excited for the semi. We just fall apart when it comes to Liverpool. Even with us not playing them, they will come up smelling of roses this weekend.
Matt, Moyes does say a lot to play down expectation in the media, but it's what he tells his players that I care about and I don't think they match up. Lyndon wrote recently that the match-going fans aren't necessarily as well informed as those who get their weekly fix from these pages, as many of us don't have match days to enjoy. So maybe Moyes is placating them, keeping protests down, because if the crowd were clued up on Bill he wouldn't show his face.
Matt, Moyes does say a lot to play down expectation in the media, but it's what he tells his players that I care about and I don't think they match up. Lyndon wrote recently that the match-going fans aren't necessarily as well informed as those who get their weekly fix from these pages, as many of us don't have match days to enjoy. So maybe Moyes is placating them, keeping protests down, because if the crowd were clued up on Bill he wouldn't show his face.
All you Peter Barry esque moaners bleating on about how awful and unforgivable things are!! Get a grip. You sound like spoilt brats. It's been a mediocre season; nothing more, nothing less. If you want to know what awful is then go and speak to a Wolves or Blackburn fan.
If the season ended for some after the semi why are they on here discussing the Newcastle game?
Agree with everyone that Moyes let us down in the semi-final. Don't agree with using that game as a microcosm of the last ten years, though I appreciate many do and they have their reasons.
Agree with those who count finishing 7th as meaningful (only as opposed to 9th, however) but in terms of bragging rights? I personally wouldn't brag in front of a Liverpool fan even if we'd got into Europe. They won a cup - the least valued yes, but still a trophy - and beat us three times.
That's like bragging about the size of your turds.
Agree with everyone that Moyes let us down in the semi-final. Don't agree with using that game as a microcosm of the last ten years, though I appreciate many do and they have their reasons.
Agree with those who count finishing 7th as meaningful (only as opposed to 9th, however) but in terms of bragging rights? I personally wouldn't brag in front of a Liverpool fan even if we'd got into Europe. They won a cup - the least valued yes, but still a trophy - and beat us three times.
That's like bragging about the size of your turds.
Personally, I want to finish above everyone. Recently we 'celebrated' 25 years since we won at Norwich to win our last trophy. Here's a quiz question and no googling it: Which tean finished 4th & 7th that year? Thought sonot a scooby.
It is the Premier league & Champions League, that has made finishing 4th as a cause for celebration, and finishing above the RS? whatever as people have already pointed out, this season play 3 lost 3 1 scored 7 conceded. We're collectively feeding on scraps boys & girls
It is the Premier league & Champions League, that has made finishing 4th as a cause for celebration, and finishing above the RS? whatever as people have already pointed out, this season play 3 lost 3 1 scored 7 conceded. We're collectively feeding on scraps boys & girls
sorry that should read last won the league, not our last trophy
I couldn't care less if we win the 7th place cup or not.
It would be the mother of all hollow victories and I feel like dying every time I hear a fellow blue mention it as some kind of triumph.
It would be the mother of all hollow victories and I feel like dying every time I hear a fellow blue mention it as some kind of triumph.
If Everton finish 4th next season it will not be enough for some people. If we beat Liverpool every time we play them it will not be important. I would even go so far as to say that if Moyes leaves over the summer and we then get relegated it will be down to the quality of player Moyes left the new manager.
Of course I want to finish above those fuckers but if we don't I could give a flying, 7th doesn't get us into Europe so 7th or 9th if Fulham manage to somehow beat Spurs, doesn't mean a thing apart from about a million pounds worth of placing money.
Season did end at Wembley but the comments of people like Peter Predictable Barry are so way over the top it is unreal. Apparantly it's UNFORGIVABLE to not beat a relegated side..hmmm.
If you would have told at Christmas that we were going into the last day of the season, above the Shite and with a chance of beating last seasons points total, I would have thought you had gone a little Doddy on me.
Season did end at Wembley but the comments of people like Peter Predictable Barry are so way over the top it is unreal. Apparantly it's UNFORGIVABLE to not beat a relegated side..hmmm.
If you would have told at Christmas that we were going into the last day of the season, above the Shite and with a chance of beating last seasons points total, I would have thought you had gone a little Doddy on me.
I can't understand the logic of not caring if we finish above Liverpool.
It baffles me.
It baffles me.
What really grinds my gears is the fact that we start the season so poorly every year and that we always bottle it when it matters.
This year the new additions can be attributed to our post Christmas upturn in fortunes, but what about all the previous years? Moyes obviously doesn't prepare the team properly to start the season with a bang, and it frustrates the living piss out of me!
Need I mention the heartless derby capitulations?
Well, I will anyway. It's simply not acceptable to bend over with your arse already greased up and ask your worst enemy to be gentle. The two league games were bad enough but then to pass the bottle to them shit houses in the semi while they smashed us over the head with it showed us all we need to know (if we didn't know it already.)
Rant over.
This year the new additions can be attributed to our post Christmas upturn in fortunes, but what about all the previous years? Moyes obviously doesn't prepare the team properly to start the season with a bang, and it frustrates the living piss out of me!
Need I mention the heartless derby capitulations?
Well, I will anyway. It's simply not acceptable to bend over with your arse already greased up and ask your worst enemy to be gentle. The two league games were bad enough but then to pass the bottle to them shit houses in the semi while they smashed us over the head with it showed us all we need to know (if we didn't know it already.)
Rant over.
We played them three times this season and lost every time, if we manage to finish above them, does it really matter? Europe is impossible and the rest is irrelevant.
In the run up to the next derby I hope the players, manager and owner say zip. I am fed up hearing a rally cry with no back bone. Do your talking on the pitch, and until you can do that keep it shut.
Remember the club produced a DVD when we beat L'pool 3-0 ?
Now that IS small time. We have the mentality of a newly promoted club - the fact we produce memorabilia because we beat L'pool at home, with a last minute mistake by Reina for the third is a joke.
Some posters have stated we are over-achieving by finishing 7th.
If the fans, the team, the board & mananger expect us to finish mid-table, you might get relegated.
As I said - the mentality of a West Brom is creeping into the club.
Now that IS small time. We have the mentality of a newly promoted club - the fact we produce memorabilia because we beat L'pool at home, with a last minute mistake by Reina for the third is a joke.
Some posters have stated we are over-achieving by finishing 7th.
If the fans, the team, the board & mananger expect us to finish mid-table, you might get relegated.
As I said - the mentality of a West Brom is creeping into the club.
Kevin its called slim pickings. The semi final range was equally bad. Just waiting for the league cup 1st round range.
Bang on Kevin Tully#785, but in mitigation it did produce one of the better football songs...Reina drops keep fallin' on my head....absolute classic!
Perceived as small time, because we have been small time for a number of years now.
The 80's were a long time ago.
The 80's were a long time ago.
We have lost our way as a club due to the lack of foresight, planning and ability of successive Boards
I feel many supporters have been ground down over the years into accepting our lot
Well...I'm not a realist, I'm an Evertonian, I won't "get a grip" or "live with it"
I ignore the national side and don't have a 2nd favourite team
I don't live by the "we were worse under Walter, plucky little Everton, punching above our weight" mantras
We are NOT Wolves..or Blackburn
Spend some time talking to ex-players and see the pride and passion they still have for the club and the sadness when they speak of how we've become also-rans
As for negativity, it mirrors that of our manager and, as was said, above, any optimism is tempered by experience
The worse thing is, I still hope - just isn't rational being a Blue, is it?
I feel many supporters have been ground down over the years into accepting our lot
Well...I'm not a realist, I'm an Evertonian, I won't "get a grip" or "live with it"
I ignore the national side and don't have a 2nd favourite team
I don't live by the "we were worse under Walter, plucky little Everton, punching above our weight" mantras
We are NOT Wolves..or Blackburn
Spend some time talking to ex-players and see the pride and passion they still have for the club and the sadness when they speak of how we've become also-rans
As for negativity, it mirrors that of our manager and, as was said, above, any optimism is tempered by experience
The worse thing is, I still hope - just isn't rational being a Blue, is it?
We all hope Phil, the arguments on here come from the posters who still actually believe we should be beating teams consistently and somehow our manager is holding us back.
It's been 17 years since we had anything to cheer about, not just 10
It's been 17 years since we had anything to cheer about, not just 10
Jeez, Tony...where did the years go? We are definitely barmy, the lot of us
One question- how can we be a small time club if we are one of the the seven ever - present teams since the P.L was formed ?
I won't even go into number of years in the top flight and numerous other clues.
If you don't want to accept us as a big club, what about revenues since the P.L was formed - surely we must be in the top seven in those twenty years ?
I won't even go into number of years in the top flight and numerous other clues.
If you don't want to accept us as a big club, what about revenues since the P.L was formed - surely we must be in the top seven in those twenty years ?
Mike Ebley........... I consider myself to be a reasonable kind of guy but I agree, I think your talking shite.
2 trophies in 25 years is not the making of a top side.
In my heart we still are but in my mind we have been slipping for decades
In my heart we still are but in my mind we have been slipping for decades
We are a big club,not a trophy winning club or a top side though.
Tony #810.
"It's been 17 years since we had anything to cheer about".
How about every fucking Saturday, home and away. How about when that ball hit the onion bag with 5 minutes to go at OT, with SAF looking like someone just stole his crown jewels. I was going balistic, fucking brilliant, stewards trying to get the blues to sit down. No fucking chance.
So yeah, we got plenty to cheer about but unfortunately we don't have £70 million plus to spunk away, unlike our nearest and dearest. Ah well, at least we seem to have the RS right where we want them ..... fighting for the 7th place.
Pending a further ban from TW - Jimmy "I fucking hate Moyes" Sorheim. Where do you sit at GP, I'd just like to know so I can avoid those seats like the plague, as you seem to get a total dross view of the game.
Looks like Agent Moyes has done the job with Nick.
As Oddball once said, "Quit with the negative waves."
As Oddball once said, "Quit with the negative waves."
Some very negative views here guys...
As for the 'bottler' tag, well, is it any wonder when the majority of you seem to portray this very attitude in your views and 'support' of the team? RS this, RS that... so what if we finish above them? We still don't have a pot to show for our season ? or one to piss in either.
"Moyes bottled the semi-final" ? fed up hearing that now; we were all happy with first half, if you think back, and the team didn't exactly cover themselves with glory! The lads who went out that second half bottled it as I can't imagine Moyes honestly told them to sit back.
As for the "we haven't progressed in 10 years" ? have a word lads! Look where we were back then, perennial relegation battles, two last-day survivals, watching players like Carl Tiler, Garreth Farrelly (bar the goal), Marc Hottiger, washed-up players like Gazza, Mark Hughes, David Ginola.... Do you believe we havent progressed from that?
Whilst I can't defend certain performances from the squad as a whole, at times I can honestly say we have improved in an ever competitive league where unfortunately money talks louder than results! Not one relegation battle under Moyes to date would suggest some sort of progress, no matter how slow it is!
I think we need a reality check here at times, we can't look at City, Chelsea and even the lot over the park and think 'what if' or 'that should be us that'. Bar City, the other two where days, DAYS, from administration and got lucky... but look at the unrest it has caused within the clubs.
Sometimes a bigger view is needed... and that's just one man's opinion it would seem?!?
As for the 'bottler' tag, well, is it any wonder when the majority of you seem to portray this very attitude in your views and 'support' of the team? RS this, RS that... so what if we finish above them? We still don't have a pot to show for our season ? or one to piss in either.
"Moyes bottled the semi-final" ? fed up hearing that now; we were all happy with first half, if you think back, and the team didn't exactly cover themselves with glory! The lads who went out that second half bottled it as I can't imagine Moyes honestly told them to sit back.
As for the "we haven't progressed in 10 years" ? have a word lads! Look where we were back then, perennial relegation battles, two last-day survivals, watching players like Carl Tiler, Garreth Farrelly (bar the goal), Marc Hottiger, washed-up players like Gazza, Mark Hughes, David Ginola.... Do you believe we havent progressed from that?
Whilst I can't defend certain performances from the squad as a whole, at times I can honestly say we have improved in an ever competitive league where unfortunately money talks louder than results! Not one relegation battle under Moyes to date would suggest some sort of progress, no matter how slow it is!
I think we need a reality check here at times, we can't look at City, Chelsea and even the lot over the park and think 'what if' or 'that should be us that'. Bar City, the other two where days, DAYS, from administration and got lucky... but look at the unrest it has caused within the clubs.
Sometimes a bigger view is needed... and that's just one man's opinion it would seem?!?
So we finish above them, then what happens? Not really in a position to start gloating to them are we. If it happens it's going to be by the narrowest of margins so add a trophy and one other cup final to that, then who has had the worst season.
Back that up with the financial resources to move forward in the summer (yes I know they screwed that one up last year) and I think we need to keep our heads down and mouths firmly shut until we really do have something to shout about. I for one will not be holding my breath over that one.
Back that up with the financial resources to move forward in the summer (yes I know they screwed that one up last year) and I think we need to keep our heads down and mouths firmly shut until we really do have something to shout about. I for one will not be holding my breath over that one.
They've already turned us over three times and at their place in the league we were made to look like a non-league team, truly embarrassing. And as for Wembley ? I'd rather not go there.
This season, I don't think they're as bothered as most of us would believe as they've already done the job on us. We're just looking for some kind of payback ? which is too late.
This season, I don't think they're as bothered as most of us would believe as they've already done the job on us. We're just looking for some kind of payback ? which is too late.
There is no doubt in my mind Swansea will roll over for them on Sunday and they'll finish above us.
We'd have had 7th wrapped up against Wolves if that prick of a linesman had done his job properly.
We'd have had 7th wrapped up against Wolves if that prick of a linesman had done his job properly.
Wayne, why must there be something derogatory said when someone has a different opinion than yours?
Just accept that not all posters have this hatred of everything Moyes. It's easy.
I learned many years ago to stop getting so worked up about all the bad things happening at Everton and hopefully my blood pressure is the better for it (of course this all changes in the ground when a twat of a decision goes against us, the red faced monster sneaks out for a while)
Just get involved in the debate, no need to be derogatory (I know, I know...pot...kettle ...black)
Just accept that not all posters have this hatred of everything Moyes. It's easy.
I learned many years ago to stop getting so worked up about all the bad things happening at Everton and hopefully my blood pressure is the better for it (of course this all changes in the ground when a twat of a decision goes against us, the red faced monster sneaks out for a while)
Just get involved in the debate, no need to be derogatory (I know, I know...pot...kettle ...black)
Just got to ask...excluding the cup game, would people prefer:
1) For us to have beaten Liverpool twice in the league but finish below them?
2) For us to lose to them twice and finish above them?
Also, Jimmy, are you Drenthe? Jimmy Drenthe perhaps....?
1) For us to have beaten Liverpool twice in the league but finish below them?
2) For us to lose to them twice and finish above them?
Also, Jimmy, are you Drenthe? Jimmy Drenthe perhaps....?
There is a small(!!) matter of finance involved here, lads.
Dalglish has spent approaching £200 million (including a £50 million strikeforce) in addition to what the FSW spent before him.
You would have to be deluded to think we should be as good as them...
The only thing that keeps us in competition with them and the other big spenders (including Sunderland!!) is superior team spirit and fitness.
While it comes down to one game, the season is a marathon not a sprint, and the truth is, before we bought Jelavic and Gibson and brought Pienaar back, we were potential relegation candidates.
Let's get behind the manager and the lads for our one last lunge at claiming 7th and save the inquests for the close season ? especially Kenwright and Friends of Everton's non-contribution to the club.
Dalglish has spent approaching £200 million (including a £50 million strikeforce) in addition to what the FSW spent before him.
You would have to be deluded to think we should be as good as them...
The only thing that keeps us in competition with them and the other big spenders (including Sunderland!!) is superior team spirit and fitness.
While it comes down to one game, the season is a marathon not a sprint, and the truth is, before we bought Jelavic and Gibson and brought Pienaar back, we were potential relegation candidates.
Let's get behind the manager and the lads for our one last lunge at claiming 7th and save the inquests for the close season ? especially Kenwright and Friends of Everton's non-contribution to the club.
Put yourself in the shoes of 'their' fans. I hear it from their fans everyday, "So what if you finish above us, the next time you'll have another chance will be in another 10/15 years time." Other comments, such as "We have money so we'll improve" and "there is only one club in the city of Liverpool".
The one that I hear from reds fans so often is "As much as we've been shite over the years, you've always been shitter." The way they see it, we will always be under them for many years still. I'm sure if we as fans were in their shoes, we'd come out with similar comments.
The one that I hear from reds fans so often is "As much as we've been shite over the years, you've always been shitter." The way they see it, we will always be under them for many years still. I'm sure if we as fans were in their shoes, we'd come out with similar comments.
Jim - above them. I always want Everton to finish as high as possible.
More interesting one is would you prefer Liverpool to finish 5th and us 6th getting Europa, or us finishing 7th and them finishing 10th which gives you nothing.
More interesting one is would you prefer Liverpool to finish 5th and us 6th getting Europa, or us finishing 7th and them finishing 10th which gives you nothing.
Good question Jim. For me it depends on what the positions are. First and second? I'll take the losses.
Like your style, Sam, like your style.
Why are the two mutually exclusive?
My interest in the season ended at around 2.15pm on April 14th but I still want us to finish above them in the league, because over 38 games, and after handing them 6 points, it will show that we were better than they were. That said, I certainly won?t be shouting about it and will file it under p for pyrrhic.
After the season we have had it should also highlight to any interested parties out there that with a sensible pre-season and more progressive tactics we have a team that can compete for top 6. OK I can go back a long way and we regarded 6th as a poor season but I guess I?ve had my aspirations tempered by Sky?s reinvention of football and would happily take that now.
If we conveniently air brush out the semi-final capitulation (easier said than done) I?ve seen enough in the last dozen games to suggest that this team can play when they are allowed to. Sure we need to strengthen and replace in certain positions but we have the nucleus of a good team. We then need a manager who will get the players conditioned to start playing in August and for the duration of the season not the last 3 months.
We needed to beat the skunks on the last day to clinch 4th in 2005 and I?m confident that we will beat them again on Sunday to secure a less prestigious 7th finish. Then I hope we find a route off the never ending crossroads that we have been stuck on for 5 years now, but I?m not holding my breath.
If the current regime stays in place, July will be another far flung pre-season (Thailand this time I think) followed by Preston and Rochdale. Then we?ll have an almighty sulk for most of August and hope no one realises that Baines and Fellaini play for us and we try to muddle through ?til Christmas. We grind out 40 points then the shackles come off, with a bit of a cup run a bonus for the fans.
Hope I?m wrong but I can?t see a lot changing unless a lot changes.......
My interest in the season ended at around 2.15pm on April 14th but I still want us to finish above them in the league, because over 38 games, and after handing them 6 points, it will show that we were better than they were. That said, I certainly won?t be shouting about it and will file it under p for pyrrhic.
After the season we have had it should also highlight to any interested parties out there that with a sensible pre-season and more progressive tactics we have a team that can compete for top 6. OK I can go back a long way and we regarded 6th as a poor season but I guess I?ve had my aspirations tempered by Sky?s reinvention of football and would happily take that now.
If we conveniently air brush out the semi-final capitulation (easier said than done) I?ve seen enough in the last dozen games to suggest that this team can play when they are allowed to. Sure we need to strengthen and replace in certain positions but we have the nucleus of a good team. We then need a manager who will get the players conditioned to start playing in August and for the duration of the season not the last 3 months.
We needed to beat the skunks on the last day to clinch 4th in 2005 and I?m confident that we will beat them again on Sunday to secure a less prestigious 7th finish. Then I hope we find a route off the never ending crossroads that we have been stuck on for 5 years now, but I?m not holding my breath.
If the current regime stays in place, July will be another far flung pre-season (Thailand this time I think) followed by Preston and Rochdale. Then we?ll have an almighty sulk for most of August and hope no one realises that Baines and Fellaini play for us and we try to muddle through ?til Christmas. We grind out 40 points then the shackles come off, with a bit of a cup run a bonus for the fans.
Hope I?m wrong but I can?t see a lot changing unless a lot changes.......
We have lost only 4 out of our last 22 games, Away to Spurs, Liverpool, Liverpool and home to Arsenal. The Anfield 0-3 was a shambles yes. But apart from that I dont know how we can be criticised, The shite were never going to score in the semis (until they did) 1 bad pass is all it takes in a game of such importance. Liverpool were gifted a goal and never looked back, They had all the momentum, Everton didnt bottle it!!.
Just as we had at Sunderland. We had the momentum from a good start and an early goal and there was fuck all they could do about it. This is football. We were very unlucky to lose the Arsenal game. And as for the away draws. We could really ask for much more. We are dominating almost every team we play away, playing some excellent football. It cant be helped that these teams are sticking 11 men behind the ball and we dont have Rooney / Aguero / Van Persie to finish them off.
I fully expect Everton to win on Saturday as Newcastle will not sit back and we will find space.
My aims for Everton at the start of every season :-
1. Win the Prem
2. Win the FA Cup
3. Finish top 4 - just to guarantee extra money and the added lure of Champs league footy to prospective new (cheap) signings
4. Beat them lot across park
5. Win as many games as possible.
6. Play good football that will bring bigger crowds and thus more money to the club.
So as far as I am concerned this season's a washout. The fact that we lost the semi to them lot and in the manner we did just makes things worse,
I still find it strange that people assume that if Moyes did go we would automatically become relegation fodder! We've still got 6 or 7 very good players and 3 or 4 good players and some untried kids (Barkley included).
1. Win the Prem
2. Win the FA Cup
3. Finish top 4 - just to guarantee extra money and the added lure of Champs league footy to prospective new (cheap) signings
4. Beat them lot across park
5. Win as many games as possible.
6. Play good football that will bring bigger crowds and thus more money to the club.
So as far as I am concerned this season's a washout. The fact that we lost the semi to them lot and in the manner we did just makes things worse,
I still find it strange that people assume that if Moyes did go we would automatically become relegation fodder! We've still got 6 or 7 very good players and 3 or 4 good players and some untried kids (Barkley included).
Gary,
Here's Bill's
1. Stay in the Prem
2. Stay in the Prem
3. etc...
Here's Bill's
1. Stay in the Prem
2. Stay in the Prem
3. etc...
Haha, I would take the losses in every possible competition for first and second :D
Re. the positions, let's say, as this season, a matter of seventh and eighth.
Dave, why do you hold this view (Admittedly along with many others), that if we got it right at the start of season, we'd keep it going the whole season? name me a club, Arsenal aside, who have managed in the Premier league era to achieve consistent form throughout the season, let alone a club of our means. This season, Arsenal started terribly, and Spurs have ended terribly. City had an incredible first half of the season, and a poor second half, and Liverpool, on second half of the season form, would be just clear of the relegation area whilst Wigan would be in the top half of the league. Consistently every season, some clubs start well, and others finish well, but seemingly Moyes is criticised for starting badly, but not for finishing well....seems strange to me.
Re. our form since January, who has been at the heart of it? imo, Donovan was before he left, and Pienarr, Fellaini and Jelavic have. We had only one of those in the first half of the season, and in that, resides our issue this season. Starting bad may be part of our physiology, it may be poor preparations and a schedule in which we invariably go to America because we need the money. It may also be, because the last few summers have resulted in transfer unrest for players at the club, and a serious lack of incoming activity.
Re. the positions, let's say, as this season, a matter of seventh and eighth.
Dave, why do you hold this view (Admittedly along with many others), that if we got it right at the start of season, we'd keep it going the whole season? name me a club, Arsenal aside, who have managed in the Premier league era to achieve consistent form throughout the season, let alone a club of our means. This season, Arsenal started terribly, and Spurs have ended terribly. City had an incredible first half of the season, and a poor second half, and Liverpool, on second half of the season form, would be just clear of the relegation area whilst Wigan would be in the top half of the league. Consistently every season, some clubs start well, and others finish well, but seemingly Moyes is criticised for starting badly, but not for finishing well....seems strange to me.
Re. our form since January, who has been at the heart of it? imo, Donovan was before he left, and Pienarr, Fellaini and Jelavic have. We had only one of those in the first half of the season, and in that, resides our issue this season. Starting bad may be part of our physiology, it may be poor preparations and a schedule in which we invariably go to America because we need the money. It may also be, because the last few summers have resulted in transfer unrest for players at the club, and a serious lack of incoming activity.
If we finish above them we shouldn't brag about it, we should simply comment how disappointing it is to finish 7th, and next season we will be better. Make no reference to where they finished at all. Believe me it'll wind them up no end because it doesn't give them an easy come back.
Whoever pointed out that (there's so many post's) Souness said after the Chelsea game that Dogleash will be sending his boy's out to win in the final game and finish above Everton!!!!!
SAY'S IT ALL!!!! FFS!!! WHAT DOES THAT TELL ANYONE WHO HAS A CLUE!! They care that much, why can't we?!? It should mean as much to us and you CAN call it a test when we fail or succeed, but don't try to play it down with, "THEY HAVE MORE MONEY THAN US" OR "IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING NOW!!"
What has changed??? COPOUT Worse than KOPITE!!! IMHO!
SAY'S IT ALL!!!! FFS!!! WHAT DOES THAT TELL ANYONE WHO HAS A CLUE!! They care that much, why can't we?!? It should mean as much to us and you CAN call it a test when we fail or succeed, but don't try to play it down with, "THEY HAVE MORE MONEY THAN US" OR "IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING NOW!!"
What has changed??? COPOUT Worse than KOPITE!!! IMHO!
Matt Traynor 731
"Personally I'd only take pleasure in finishing above the shite if we finished 17th"
That is how we should all feel.
"Personally I'd only take pleasure in finishing above the shite if we finished 17th"
That is how we should all feel.
Jim,
I agree that your synopsis of this season?s tale of two halves holds water.
Losing Arteta on the last day of the transfer window with no new faces didn?t help. Whereas surprisingly, because he is on record as not liking them, the January window was good for us and proved to be a catalyst for improvement. You forgot Gibson in the list, not a great player but someone who allows Fellaini to go forward more.
There hasn?t been an influx of players in previous January windows so that hasn?t been the reason for second half improvement.
Either our pre-season preparation isn?t right or the off field shenanigans take over or more likely it?s a combination of the two.
The contrast between the start and end of the season is so bi-polar that even the examples you give don?t stand comparison.
My criticism and what I think is at the root cause of the matter is that he can get us playing football when nothing really rests on it but in a big game or until we have reached 40 points he has them coached within an inch of their lives and they are drilled not to deviate from instruction. Consequently the players appear petrified of expressing themselves and this results in dire performances.
I agree that your synopsis of this season?s tale of two halves holds water.
Losing Arteta on the last day of the transfer window with no new faces didn?t help. Whereas surprisingly, because he is on record as not liking them, the January window was good for us and proved to be a catalyst for improvement. You forgot Gibson in the list, not a great player but someone who allows Fellaini to go forward more.
There hasn?t been an influx of players in previous January windows so that hasn?t been the reason for second half improvement.
Either our pre-season preparation isn?t right or the off field shenanigans take over or more likely it?s a combination of the two.
The contrast between the start and end of the season is so bi-polar that even the examples you give don?t stand comparison.
My criticism and what I think is at the root cause of the matter is that he can get us playing football when nothing really rests on it but in a big game or until we have reached 40 points he has them coached within an inch of their lives and they are drilled not to deviate from instruction. Consequently the players appear petrified of expressing themselves and this results in dire performances.
Apart from the season when we finished 4th, I think we have always started slowly and gained momentum towards the second half of the season.
There have been different pre-season tours, players being sold too late, contracts dealt with far too late (Moyes), no money to spend until players sold... You could list a whole load of reasons and we all have our own opinions as to why but the one constant throughout all of this has been David Moyes.
You need to look no further than the manager; of course, all the above factors don't help... but there is a pattern here. A team's style of play, motivation and mentality is down to the manager ? no matter how many excusses are thrown around.
There have been different pre-season tours, players being sold too late, contracts dealt with far too late (Moyes), no money to spend until players sold... You could list a whole load of reasons and we all have our own opinions as to why but the one constant throughout all of this has been David Moyes.
You need to look no further than the manager; of course, all the above factors don't help... but there is a pattern here. A team's style of play, motivation and mentality is down to the manager ? no matter how many excusses are thrown around.
Whereas Richard before Moyes came, we had poor seasons with a couple of 3/4 games runs that kept us in the premiership.
We were shite when he came, we are less shite now, so that is an improvement.
"Whoever pointed out that (there's so many post's) Souness said after the Chelsea game that Dogleash will be sending his boy's out to win in the final game and finish above Everton!!!!!" - whereas Moyes will tell his boys to go out and lose...because he doesn't care...Hells Bells.
We were shite when he came, we are less shite now, so that is an improvement.
"Whoever pointed out that (there's so many post's) Souness said after the Chelsea game that Dogleash will be sending his boy's out to win in the final game and finish above Everton!!!!!" - whereas Moyes will tell his boys to go out and lose...because he doesn't care...Hells Bells.
Matt, Dean,
"Personally I'd only take pleasure in finishing above the shite if we finished 17th"
Yeah too right, they would be chuffed if we went down and don't really care about the shitty small neighbour's!
So I say It means something and now apparently so do they, so..... COYB!!!
"Personally I'd only take pleasure in finishing above the shite if we finished 17th"
Yeah too right, they would be chuffed if we went down and don't really care about the shitty small neighbour's!
So I say It means something and now apparently so do they, so..... COYB!!!
Yes Tony that's what I meant, I like the way you did that, very classy....
Belief is a very important part of achieving anything, especially when there is more than one party involved in an effort to do so.
Would you deny the Interviews we watch on the TV compared to the ones of the RS? Well, we are supporters and WE NEED to see that!
Belief is a very important part of achieving anything, especially when there is more than one party involved in an effort to do so.
Would you deny the Interviews we watch on the TV compared to the ones of the RS? Well, we are supporters and WE NEED to see that!
The game on Sunday will have a bit more edge to it, as Newcastle have a slight chance of finishing fourth. And we are trying to end with a win, to finish 7th.
After two continuous defeats, the Geordies will be up for it, with a big support travelling down... should add to a good game.
After two continuous defeats, the Geordies will be up for it, with a big support travelling down... should add to a good game.
Tony, whatever happened before Moyes was here is another matter. People are questioning why the team under MOYES start slowly most seasons so I gave my opinion. It's a little easier to evaluate Moyes as he's been here for 100 years.
Norman (#891) is correct. All said and done, I'm trying to express that it means something to me; that's it.
Jem. I couldn't give a monkeys about the interviews and to be honest I rarely watch them.
They are meaningless, the only thing that matters is what is said in the changies at 2:50pm on a Saturday (or whatever time on whatever day) to his players.
It's about journos and fans wanting sound bites all the time, I would prefer it if he would do a Cantona and start talking about seagulls, fart loudly and exit stage left.
They are meaningless, the only thing that matters is what is said in the changies at 2:50pm on a Saturday (or whatever time on whatever day) to his players.
It's about journos and fans wanting sound bites all the time, I would prefer it if he would do a Cantona and start talking about seagulls, fart loudly and exit stage left.
Mike (#749), you're weaving and dodging a bit but I still reject the underlying premise, which is that you want to determine how everyone should react.
Why not just post your response to the result, which is one of acceptance, while acknowledging that others might be less inclined (considering the run we were on) to accept such a poor result (considering the run they were on).
I guess I just don't like seeing posts demanding that all fans react in a certain way. The point of a discussion forum is to compare those reactions ? not to control them.
Why not just post your response to the result, which is one of acceptance, while acknowledging that others might be less inclined (considering the run we were on) to accept such a poor result (considering the run they were on).
I guess I just don't like seeing posts demanding that all fans react in a certain way. The point of a discussion forum is to compare those reactions ? not to control them.
Tony... agree completely. Sugar-coated mawkish bullshit is for morons.
After these types of results, Michael, there are always people giving the so-called 'apologists' grief for their opinions. Pretty much the opposite to what Mike Elbey wrote earlier. Never seen you pull one of them up. Funny that ...
So Liverpool beat a vastly under-strength Chelsea side with 2 eyes on Munich. It would be nice to finish above them... but it's not the be-all and end-all. All that money they've laid out and couldn't even trouble the top 4... they're a fucking disgrace. Yes, they've rolled us over 3 times... but that was only down to one man.
I personally think we'll beat Newcastle given our recent home record ? and they'll struggle against Swansea I'll say this though ? I'd never get tired of head-butting that smug fat fucker Alan Green, one odious little prick that. £125 mil shelled out and a Carling Cup (on pens) to show for it. Nothing to be smug about.
I personally think we'll beat Newcastle given our recent home record ? and they'll struggle against Swansea I'll say this though ? I'd never get tired of head-butting that smug fat fucker Alan Green, one odious little prick that. £125 mil shelled out and a Carling Cup (on pens) to show for it. Nothing to be smug about.
Sorry Tony, fail to see where I was being derogatory.
Nick's initial post struck me as being incredibly negative, and I was merely pointing out that Mr Moyes has obviously done his job in setting the expectation level of some of the fans so that, even though after 37 games gone, and being a point ahead of the RS, some of us believe we'll endeavour to finish behind them.
I'm of the firm belief that you can never realise your potential unless you mentally believe you're good enough. For me that's where the likes of the RS and Utd shine, because although other clubs have more cash than both, they're both mentally strong and believe they can compete and beat other teams.
In my opinion, I'm afraid its one of Moyes's biggest failings, and why we consistently seem to "bottle it", when it matters. Over the years, stuff like his "let's get to 40 points" and "knife to a gunfight" speeches really prepare the team with ready excuses for failure.
Over the course of this season, we're about as good as the RS, but can you imagine their manager talking about getting to 40 points at season start? He'd be hounded out of the door.
Nick's initial post struck me as being incredibly negative, and I was merely pointing out that Mr Moyes has obviously done his job in setting the expectation level of some of the fans so that, even though after 37 games gone, and being a point ahead of the RS, some of us believe we'll endeavour to finish behind them.
I'm of the firm belief that you can never realise your potential unless you mentally believe you're good enough. For me that's where the likes of the RS and Utd shine, because although other clubs have more cash than both, they're both mentally strong and believe they can compete and beat other teams.
In my opinion, I'm afraid its one of Moyes's biggest failings, and why we consistently seem to "bottle it", when it matters. Over the years, stuff like his "let's get to 40 points" and "knife to a gunfight" speeches really prepare the team with ready excuses for failure.
Over the course of this season, we're about as good as the RS, but can you imagine their manager talking about getting to 40 points at season start? He'd be hounded out of the door.
A lesson in life "Don't sweat the small stuff."
Wayne (#917) ? agree 100%. Recently comments on bigger(?) clubs looking to change managers (Spurs, Chelsea etc) and Moyes's name is not mentioned... Most big clubs like the season to start in August ? not January. It looks like we are stuck with him.
Jim (864)- most common sense I've heard in a while. Because we play well in a few games here and there, most on here seem to expect us to be at our best every week. No team can ever manage that.
Do agree that poor starts have been a constant theme, maybe the reason is pressure, who knows? Though on the other hand a question that not many ask is how come we always seem to end each season so well?
Do agree that poor starts have been a constant theme, maybe the reason is pressure, who knows? Though on the other hand a question that not many ask is how come we always seem to end each season so well?
Mark (#914), if you recall, I did not pull him up for that originally. What caught my eye was the nonsense claim that reactions would be different in his Fantasy Football world because "on another day... we would have won" ? and therefore everyone was over-reacting to this result, and had to "get a grip".
It's like saying people should be happy OJ Simpson was acquitted because "on another day" he would have been convicted ? a totally bogus contention.
It's like saying people should be happy OJ Simpson was acquitted because "on another day" he would have been convicted ? a totally bogus contention.
Wayne, playing down expectations has been a common tool for many successfully managers. Look at Mancini saying that they could not win the title 7 games ago and lo and behold they go on a great run and now have the title in sight. It takes pressure of the team, of course some on here will use anything to try and berate Moyes for...
Sam, I agree it does sometimes work for successful managers.
If we had one of those I wouldn't be complaining.
If we had one of those I wouldn't be complaining.
Tony #893, I couldn't care less about 'sound bites' and interviews, only what goes on on the pitch and an obviNous pattern of events (namely versus Liverpool games) which pose questions as to how the team would play that way given the run of form taken into these games.
Jem. I couldn't give a monkeys about the interviews and to be honest I rarely watch them.
They are meaningless, the only thing that matters is what is said in the changies at 2:50pm on a Saturday (or whatever time on whatever day) to his players.
It's about journos and fans wanting sound bites all the time, I would prefer it if he would do a Cantona and start talking about seagulls, fart loudly and exit stage left.
Sorry I don't know what your saying there?
Jem. I couldn't give a monkeys about the interviews and to be honest I rarely watch them.
They are meaningless, the only thing that matters is what is said in the changies at 2:50pm on a Saturday (or whatever time on whatever day) to his players.
It's about journos and fans wanting sound bites all the time, I would prefer it if he would do a Cantona and start talking about seagulls, fart loudly and exit stage left.
Sorry I don't know what your saying there?
Sam #950,
OK fine so when will Everton start to do well like win something after Moyes has been playing it down?
I think to be honest, he's halfway out the door and thinking about the drive up the M62.
OK fine so when will Everton start to do well like win something after Moyes has been playing it down?
I think to be honest, he's halfway out the door and thinking about the drive up the M62.
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