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80 Comments: I think Everton should get Denis Stracqualursi if they can afford to this summer. I know the first target should be Steven Pienaar; that?s a given, so save your breath.
I also know some will say we can?t afford anyone; however, I think if we release some of the players who are running out of contract this year, we should certainly have room on the wage bill.
I gather Moyes and Round have been trawling the Eredivisie, Bundesliga and classifieds in the Echo to try and find a ?Number 10? to compliment Jelavic but having just reviewed the YouTube video of Denis?s best bits from Argentina again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOxVS4_8U2I&feature=youtube_gdata_player
...I think Denis is just that man.
Granted he?s not a tricky, Tevez or Silva type but frankly we can?t afford one of those. If you bother your arse to watch the video, you?ll see that at least half of it is Denis receiving the ball in the box and laying it on for his mate to score.
I know what some people will say ? it?s Argentina and it?s a lower standard ? but the skills he performs in the video are transferable regardless of opposition.
Go on... watch it, I dare you.
Denis basically gets the ball, sticks out his arse and wrestles some long-haired Steve Bould to the deck and then puts it on a plate for his mate to slot. I?ve seen Denis in action against Man City and others and he?s done the same thing here. The man?s a brut and with Jelavic alongside he could be the perfect focus of our attacks.
Furthermore, he?s got the lungs of a Grand National winner and the heart of a lion and he never lets us down. In fact, I think he?s one of the most inspiring players I?ve seen to pull on the shirt in terms of his commitment to the cause.
I would love to see a throwback Everton team like the one from the 80s chucking crosses in to the box from everywhere for Fellaini, Stracq and Jelavic to fight for ? it would be Gray and Sharp all over again... Exciting AND affordable.
Drew O'Neall, Posted 08/05/2012 at 23:50:45
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He's more cart horse than Grand National winner.
Thing is, for all his heart and commitment, he's actually not very good at all and his, McFadden's and Drenthe's wages should be saved and put towards both Pienaar and a better, younger player who will take us forward
This is the most insane suggestion I have heard in a long time.
Leichester said no thanks, and for a very good reason.
Straqualursi lacks basic ability, in fact he would struggle to cope in the championship.
There is no good reason to spend money on such a basic player, and we already struggle with getting Pienaar.
To sign Straq would be like putting out a message that we are a championship side, the fact that he would cost millions makes this a no brainer.
Send him back to Tigre.
Leichester said no thanks, and for a very good reason.
Straqualursi lacks basic ability, in fact he would struggle to cope in the championship.
There is no good reason to spend money on such a basic player, and we already struggle with getting Pienaar.
To sign Straq would be like putting out a message that we are a championship side, the fact that he would cost millions makes this a no brainer.
Send him back to Tigre.
I'm clearly in a minority but I don't think he's a bad footballer.
His hold up play and the way he brings people into the game is excellent. He's not a great passer but he doesn't try to be as he always gives the simple lay off anyway. He also wins far more than his share in the air and can use his head for lay offs and to retain posession.
His movement inside the box is also good. He's nowhere near the class of a jelly but he get's off the shoulder and makes space for himself.
He's not a great finisher and his touch sometimes lets him down but for what he will cost I'd be made up if we kept him as I see plenty worse in this league every single week.
His hold up play and the way he brings people into the game is excellent. He's not a great passer but he doesn't try to be as he always gives the simple lay off anyway. He also wins far more than his share in the air and can use his head for lay offs and to retain posession.
His movement inside the box is also good. He's nowhere near the class of a jelly but he get's off the shoulder and makes space for himself.
He's not a great finisher and his touch sometimes lets him down but for what he will cost I'd be made up if we kept him as I see plenty worse in this league every single week.
A step backwards.
If we aspire for top 6 then he's not good enough.
If we aspire for top 12 then maybe
If we aspire for top 12 then maybe
Full of enthusiasm, but basically hopeless.
Stephen Kenny you are not alone. I think Strac doesn't get enough credit for his touches, some of which have been deft first time flicks and layoffs. It is not easy to adjust to the Prem and far better players have tried and failed. He showed signs in his little run in the team at the turn of the year that he could be a decent 2nd striker or foil to Jelavic if given a proper run.
The overriding factor I think will be how much Tigre want for him, and how high/low his wages will be. I think from that POV I would take a risk and sign him up because I don't think he'd cost much and would be on relatively low wages. He is relatively young as well so will doubtless improve.
Certainly not a regular starter but a great option to have on the bench. Certainly no worse than Big Vic.
The overriding factor I think will be how much Tigre want for him, and how high/low his wages will be. I think from that POV I would take a risk and sign him up because I don't think he'd cost much and would be on relatively low wages. He is relatively young as well so will doubtless improve.
Certainly not a regular starter but a great option to have on the bench. Certainly no worse than Big Vic.
He'd be worth it if he cost no more than a million. Let's face it, he would never be a regular starter, but he has got great qualities (attitude, work ethic, plus a knack of getting the odd goal here and there), and he'd be handy to have on the bench and on the fringes of the squad.
He played a pivotal role in our turnaround this season. I have never seen Kompany unsettled like he was by Strac when we beat them at Goodison earlier this season. That game turned our season around and Denis played a big part that night. For his endeavour alone, I hope we sign him up...
He played a pivotal role in our turnaround this season. I have never seen Kompany unsettled like he was by Strac when we beat them at Goodison earlier this season. That game turned our season around and Denis played a big part that night. For his endeavour alone, I hope we sign him up...
Its a no for me. But if it goes pear shaped next year plenty will say he it was a missed chance.
I like his work rate, but it means trading him for vic it ain't going to happen. Another loan signing to go into efc history.
I like his work rate, but it means trading him for vic it ain't going to happen. Another loan signing to go into efc history.
Good honest player... but not up to Premier League standard. If Jelavic is given another forward to play alongside, we will have to buy one as there is no-one at the club. Cahill, Anichibe and Stracq are not good enough. Maybe given more of a chance in the summer, Vellios might be the one... but I think we will have to buy.
El Rod Belfitto, or Senor Brett Angello
Good Article, Drew, I was waiting for something like this to surface as I think the guy's honesty and workrate are refreshing to watch; like the article says, we should be looking to let players go in the summer.
McFadden doesn't/can't do it for us and has always had a terrible workrate plus now he's carrying a near career ending injury; Anichebe is not renown for his work ethic and is injury prone. All this points to (and always has, in my opinion) it being time for players to move on and, it seems, for Everton to make a new ethos with reguards to the team and keeping on grafters exclusively!
So Denis Stracqualursi IS a MUST in my opinion IF we want to free up funds for Pienaar and keep the squad a fit fighting unit. The YouTube video does show the guy's talents in the box and he is more than capable of assists and can go past defender's
IMO, it's a no-brainer! Just Do It!
McFadden doesn't/can't do it for us and has always had a terrible workrate plus now he's carrying a near career ending injury; Anichebe is not renown for his work ethic and is injury prone. All this points to (and always has, in my opinion) it being time for players to move on and, it seems, for Everton to make a new ethos with reguards to the team and keeping on grafters exclusively!
So Denis Stracqualursi IS a MUST in my opinion IF we want to free up funds for Pienaar and keep the squad a fit fighting unit. The YouTube video does show the guy's talents in the box and he is more than capable of assists and can go past defender's
IMO, it's a no-brainer! Just Do It!
I've just read through the majority of posts on this one and I can see I'm in the minority. IMO, the guy is worth it on the grounds that he does have a good touch and does work hard for the team. If Moyes could make way with the players who won't work ? and we have a few who are past it and are known for no longer working ? that IMO is worth the risk.
This does show how fans differ on what they want to watch.
This does show how fans differ on what they want to watch.
Its hard not to like the lads work ethic and there is, undoubted, sense in keeping a big old-fashioned, lumping, centre forward in the squad.
Currently we have two in Vic and Straq so, simply, one stays and one goes. If we get an offer for Vic that covers Straqs sticker price all well and good. Otherwise Straq is a luxury buy when we have other priorities.
Currently we have two in Vic and Straq so, simply, one stays and one goes. If we get an offer for Vic that covers Straqs sticker price all well and good. Otherwise Straq is a luxury buy when we have other priorities.
I like straq, and I think he is under-rated.
I also think we need someone with his energy buzzing around and fighting for every cause - I think he would be an ideal pairing with Jelavic, as they would put defences under a lot of pressure, straq with his chasing and jelavic with his movement.
I'd be happy this closed season if we got piennar, straq, and a full-back.
I also think we need someone with his energy buzzing around and fighting for every cause - I think he would be an ideal pairing with Jelavic, as they would put defences under a lot of pressure, straq with his chasing and jelavic with his movement.
I'd be happy this closed season if we got piennar, straq, and a full-back.
when, will we grow one of our own to pair with Jelavic. Lord knows how many wannabees have passed through the academy's doors and we seem to be far from producing one.
I do not count Vic, to my mind he no way fills the bill, not even as a bench warmer.
that he would rather use McFadden, Guaye, Osman, Cahill, Neville and strac it speaks volumes about Moyes opinion of Barclay.
Do we really need to wait until George Green loses his baby teeth before he becomes our next big hope.
I do not count Vic, to my mind he no way fills the bill, not even as a bench warmer.
that he would rather use McFadden, Guaye, Osman, Cahill, Neville and strac it speaks volumes about Moyes opinion of Barclay.
Do we really need to wait until George Green loses his baby teeth before he becomes our next big hope.
He only plays well for a period of 1 month between late January and late February (Fulham, Blackpool, Man City, Chelsea). If he is available on the cheap then yeah ? have him.
But he ain't done enough to convince anyone he can do it consistently here. YouTube vids of the Argentine division mean very little.
But he ain't done enough to convince anyone he can do it consistently here. YouTube vids of the Argentine division mean very little.
Lots of huffing and puffing but we have enough passengers in Osman and Hibbert. We should not be signing players of this caliber no matter how dashing he looks.
Rather than 'waste' money, I'd also like to see one of our own come through. We seem to have a core group of attacking midfielders/No 10s on the horizon. Lets give Baxter a fair crack now, introduce Barkley slowly and then let Green develop in the youth and ressies. We'll soon find out about their levels.
A lot of people tell me Baxter ain't good enough but he's consistently the Reserves' best player; different level, I know, but whenever he's come in, it's because we've been down to the bare bones and usually in a rut!?!
We may need to go find somebody and 'waste' money. Personally, Stracq ain't good enough. God knows we love a 'trier' and that he is, but he's not convincing infront of goal, ain't that mobile, and his movement and postioning is average. Sure his link-up looks good and the YouTube clip is great...
But come on, seriously, YouTube? I'll flash my Under-10s highlights reel up later and see if I can get you all disscussing me!?!
A lot of people tell me Baxter ain't good enough but he's consistently the Reserves' best player; different level, I know, but whenever he's come in, it's because we've been down to the bare bones and usually in a rut!?!
We may need to go find somebody and 'waste' money. Personally, Stracq ain't good enough. God knows we love a 'trier' and that he is, but he's not convincing infront of goal, ain't that mobile, and his movement and postioning is average. Sure his link-up looks good and the YouTube clip is great...
But come on, seriously, YouTube? I'll flash my Under-10s highlights reel up later and see if I can get you all disscussing me!?!
The problem is that Stracq's first touch is like a tackle...
One of the worst footballers I've ever seen.
If we could get him for £2m or less then I would have him.
He could be a good foil for Jelavic and his attitude is superb. He has proven he is at least a decent squad player and some on here are way off the mark with regards to his ability.
I'd prefer Straq over that mard arse twat Anichebe. Even if Vic has scored more goals this season.
He could be a good foil for Jelavic and his attitude is superb. He has proven he is at least a decent squad player and some on here are way off the mark with regards to his ability.
I'd prefer Straq over that mard arse twat Anichebe. Even if Vic has scored more goals this season.
By the way... Vellios can actually play football.
I think if we could get him for about 2 million (ideally after selling Vic for the same figure) then its worth a punt. Most clubs tend to have a big strong target man and he does that role pretty well. He could be a great foil for Jelavic, not to mention he is young and learning the league still. If it doesn't work out we would probably recoup the cash from an Argie club while his stock is reasonably high there.
Lets not waste what little money we have here. The lad tries 150% but let's also be honest, he simply is NOT premiership standard.
There are plenty of other forwards/strikers on a free this summer who are better. Add to that the fact we've got players like McAleny and Vellios that could/should come through.
Straq will (hopefully) never be a first choice player for us, we can do better from within or externally. I appreciate everyone likes a tryer but trying is not good enough if you're shite (or over the hill in Cahill's case).
Have we really sunk so low what we're looking to sign the likes of f'king Straq and Macfadden??? Two players who would look out of place in a top half championship side!!
There are plenty of other forwards/strikers on a free this summer who are better. Add to that the fact we've got players like McAleny and Vellios that could/should come through.
Straq will (hopefully) never be a first choice player for us, we can do better from within or externally. I appreciate everyone likes a tryer but trying is not good enough if you're shite (or over the hill in Cahill's case).
Have we really sunk so low what we're looking to sign the likes of f'king Straq and Macfadden??? Two players who would look out of place in a top half championship side!!
I love the strac because he makes me laugh which probably isnt a good reason to like someone from a football point of view.
He isnt good enough but would take him over Anichebe all day,if we could bring him in for £1m it would be worth it but I wouldnt pay much more than that.
He isnt good enough but would take him over Anichebe all day,if we could bring him in for £1m it would be worth it but I wouldnt pay much more than that.
Gents it's known that Tigres want five million for Strac therefore no thanks too dear and not good enough for Everton
Jimmy (#736), so buying Stracq sends out a message that we are a Championship side? Well, that's certainly an improvement on the message that's presently being sent out:
? McFadden ? that sure showed the world that we are serious;
? Anichibie ? yup were coming for you...
? Neville, Cahill ? don't care how old they are, it shows the world that Everton are going for the league...
It's time to face facts: this club is fuckin skint and there ain',t no superstars heading our way. Yes, maybe Mr Moyes might be able to continue his magic act of finding a Jelly now and then but these people don't grow on trees and I also believe we were lucky getting him at that price because of Rangers' dire straits.
So, unless we sell one of the big names, I believe we will not be getting Pienaar ? what message does that send out?
Should we get Stracq, maybe if the price is right, but if we do I wouldn't worry about what message it sends... it's already out there: we're fuckin skint.
? McFadden ? that sure showed the world that we are serious;
? Anichibie ? yup were coming for you...
? Neville, Cahill ? don't care how old they are, it shows the world that Everton are going for the league...
It's time to face facts: this club is fuckin skint and there ain',t no superstars heading our way. Yes, maybe Mr Moyes might be able to continue his magic act of finding a Jelly now and then but these people don't grow on trees and I also believe we were lucky getting him at that price because of Rangers' dire straits.
So, unless we sell one of the big names, I believe we will not be getting Pienaar ? what message does that send out?
Should we get Stracq, maybe if the price is right, but if we do I wouldn't worry about what message it sends... it's already out there: we're fuckin skint.
keep him for entertainment value - going for a header when the ball is on the floor is brilliant in my book
Tony J Williams that was one of my best memories of this season. He looked just like a salmon! Writhing hopelessly, yet trying so hard.
It was strangely majestic.
It was strangely majestic.
Dean, it must have been catching, as Cahill tried a couple of games after that too....brilliant
And thats why he makes me laugh but my favourite strac moment was against Stoke I think.He had just snapped someone and he stood a yard away looking down as the player was writhing around in agony,admiring his own work.
If it came down to either keeping Stracq or that lazy useless twat Anichebe, it's a no-brainer. Keep the Stracq ? at least he will run his bollocks off for you ? but personally I think we should be looking for a lot better than these two, even though I like the Big Argie. COYB.
Not 1st April is it?
Straq tries, but that's not enough to warrant an expensive contract and a transfer fee. Even if he was on a free, I'd be wondering if the wages can be used better elsewhere.
We've seen what £5M can get us (Jelavic), and if we're looking for another striker then that's the kind of calibre we need to be aiming at.
Not good enough for the premier league, would be a decent player in the championship. I'd much rather see someone like Hallam Hope or McAleny being given some game time as backup for Jelavic
Straq tries, but that's not enough to warrant an expensive contract and a transfer fee. Even if he was on a free, I'd be wondering if the wages can be used better elsewhere.
We've seen what £5M can get us (Jelavic), and if we're looking for another striker then that's the kind of calibre we need to be aiming at.
Not good enough for the premier league, would be a decent player in the championship. I'd much rather see someone like Hallam Hope or McAleny being given some game time as backup for Jelavic
I'd have him on loan for another season if they let us but wouldn't spend a penny for him as we need every penny we have got for better players than Denis.
I like the Stracq, and if he?s on a free or minimal transfer fee, then I wouldn?t mind keeping him. Anything more than a million I?d leave it be.
However, I would like to say that the mentality of some Evertonians (mainly on Twitter) baffles me. Yes, I like to see those wearing the royal blue sweating blood for the cause, but one thing really annoys me.
The Yak: ?Lazy bastard?, ?lets get rid of him?, ?glad he?s gone the lazy sod?. Etc?
The Stracq: ?He?s boss him, gives his all?. ?Always tries, he?s boss?. Etc?.
Yak: 107 games, 33 goals.
Stracq: 24 games, 3 goals.
If Peinarr, Osman, Gibson, are knocking the ball into the penalty area for a striker to latch on to, I know who I?d rather have on the end of it.
It?s all well and good having players with work ethic, and its all well and good ripping into players who are lazy, but there is no substitute for proper talent.
And this mentality that because the Yak is lazy and The Stracq is a workhorse, so therefore the Stracq is better, seriously winds me up.
However, I would like to say that the mentality of some Evertonians (mainly on Twitter) baffles me. Yes, I like to see those wearing the royal blue sweating blood for the cause, but one thing really annoys me.
The Yak: ?Lazy bastard?, ?lets get rid of him?, ?glad he?s gone the lazy sod?. Etc?
The Stracq: ?He?s boss him, gives his all?. ?Always tries, he?s boss?. Etc?.
Yak: 107 games, 33 goals.
Stracq: 24 games, 3 goals.
If Peinarr, Osman, Gibson, are knocking the ball into the penalty area for a striker to latch on to, I know who I?d rather have on the end of it.
It?s all well and good having players with work ethic, and its all well and good ripping into players who are lazy, but there is no substitute for proper talent.
And this mentality that because the Yak is lazy and The Stracq is a workhorse, so therefore the Stracq is better, seriously winds me up.
Stracq is a Moyes type player
He's shite but will doas hes told no questions asked and will run through walls for his manager and trains hard.
So consider him purchased in the summer. Either that or his loan will be extended
He's shite but will doas hes told no questions asked and will run through walls for his manager and trains hard.
So consider him purchased in the summer. Either that or his loan will be extended
5m what pesos? I nearly left off my chair when I read that with laughter.
What does he come with £5m.
What does he come with £5m.
It doesn't matter what striker we sign, they won't get much of a chance to play. Jely will be first choice with Anichebe and Cahill as second or third, it's just the sort of sick joke Moyes loves to play.
Cahill should never play for us again, that's not an attack on his personality but on his ability. Vellios needs to be rewarded for his good play with more appearances, and some of the youth need to be coming through like Duffy and Barkley.
People say after watching Barkley in the reserves that he's not good enough at the moment but if he had more experience in the Prem then he and Duffy would be ready for next season. Although there's no question in my mind that Barkley was good enough this season; instead, Moyes has picked his old favourites which has slowed down the development proccess of these players.
Ask any professional and they will tell you that there is nothing like first team experience to develop you as a player. So, whether it's Stracq or Messi, they're gonna have to wait for some injuries before getting a chance ? and, even then, they will be dropped whilst in form to accommodate one of the pensioners.
Cahill should never play for us again, that's not an attack on his personality but on his ability. Vellios needs to be rewarded for his good play with more appearances, and some of the youth need to be coming through like Duffy and Barkley.
People say after watching Barkley in the reserves that he's not good enough at the moment but if he had more experience in the Prem then he and Duffy would be ready for next season. Although there's no question in my mind that Barkley was good enough this season; instead, Moyes has picked his old favourites which has slowed down the development proccess of these players.
Ask any professional and they will tell you that there is nothing like first team experience to develop you as a player. So, whether it's Stracq or Messi, they're gonna have to wait for some injuries before getting a chance ? and, even then, they will be dropped whilst in form to accommodate one of the pensioners.
What's all this talk of "someone to play alongside Jelavic"?
Don't we need a defensive midfielder for that role?
Don't we need a defensive midfielder for that role?
Great spirit, but seriously guys? he is a fourth striker at best, and we need to buy a second and third first. If he was free, and on £20,000 then maybe, but he won't be, and we need to spend our money on someone who make a difference to the team. Love his attitude though.
No thanks. My reason...Nil Satis Nisi Optimum. And he is not good enough for Everton I'm afraid. How many goals has he scored? Even the odd couple he has scored were lucky spawny finishes.
God, in all my years of watching Everton he is the nearest to Messrs. Belfitt, Wright and Angell. Honest, hard-working and thoroughly likeable but still a cart-horse.
Even without much money, we can do better than that. What the hell has Vellios done wrong?
Even without much money, we can do better than that. What the hell has Vellios done wrong?
I couldn't disagree more with idea that hard work is not rewarded when talking about players and how hard they try in a game. Denis Stracqualursi isn't a bad player, he does have a good touch, holds the ball up well, and is good in the air. When the guy first came to us, he was out of shape when it comes to the top flight English game, and has only progressed since he started training with the team... plus you can see it 'Really means something' to the guy.
He hasn't started since Jelavic arrived, and understanably so with Jelavic's obvious quality, but I would place him before Anichebe any day of the week ? who, may I add, throws tantrums when he can't make a run and looks to suffer in playing terms when he starts to feel the burn, which incidentally is not long after coming on... whenever that is?
I do agreee that we need to shed the players to make room for him but I too also don't see that happening, with change seeming to scare the backrooms of EFC.
He hasn't started since Jelavic arrived, and understanably so with Jelavic's obvious quality, but I would place him before Anichebe any day of the week ? who, may I add, throws tantrums when he can't make a run and looks to suffer in playing terms when he starts to feel the burn, which incidentally is not long after coming on... whenever that is?
I do agreee that we need to shed the players to make room for him but I too also don't see that happening, with change seeming to scare the backrooms of EFC.
Once and for all: Denis Stracqualursi is a League One player with the heart of... well... a good League One player.
No go.
His touch alone should convince anyone, centre backs in the 80s had more class.
No go.
His touch alone should convince anyone, centre backs in the 80s had more class.
"Denis Stracqualursi isn't a bad player, he does have a good touch, holds the ball up well, and is good in the air."
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Ya gotta respect Stracq for the way he conducted himself this season, especially compared to dodgy Drenthe and his antics.
Stracq is a good lad and I dig the way he puts his heart n soul into his performances, crying when he scored his first goal etc.
However do we really want 2 forwards with no pace? Jelly isn't quick and neither is Stracq. That alone is gonna cost us a lot of potential goals that a faster player could have raced away and banged in.
Maybe bring Stracq back one day when he's on a free transfer or low signup fee. For now, wave him goodbye and thank him for his contribution this season. Good on ya, Stracq...
Stracq is a good lad and I dig the way he puts his heart n soul into his performances, crying when he scored his first goal etc.
However do we really want 2 forwards with no pace? Jelly isn't quick and neither is Stracq. That alone is gonna cost us a lot of potential goals that a faster player could have raced away and banged in.
Maybe bring Stracq back one day when he's on a free transfer or low signup fee. For now, wave him goodbye and thank him for his contribution this season. Good on ya, Stracq...
Dear Lord, I've read and seen it all now.
"This is the most insane suggestion I have heard in a long time. Leichester said no thanks, and for a very good reason." - I Jimmy Sorheim
Wow. I think that if we had a Top Ten of 'insane suggestions' posted on TW in say the last 2 months, Sorheim would be like Frankie Goes to Hollywood in whenever it was (1984?): six hits in the top ten and dominating positions 1-3.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black,
Edward Munch is turning in his grave,doing 116 complete revolutions each minute.
"This is the most insane suggestion I have heard in a long time. Leichester said no thanks, and for a very good reason." - I Jimmy Sorheim
Wow. I think that if we had a Top Ten of 'insane suggestions' posted on TW in say the last 2 months, Sorheim would be like Frankie Goes to Hollywood in whenever it was (1984?): six hits in the top ten and dominating positions 1-3.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black,
Edward Munch is turning in his grave,doing 116 complete revolutions each minute.
He is utter, utter shite. It's an embarrassment that he is in our squad. He reminds me of one of those huge manlike figures that they used to have on It's a Knockout with a couple of blokes inside trying to manouevre it through tiny gaps. Stuart Hall meanwhile pissing himself with laughter in the background as they topple over like giant redwoods.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nshs-9hlbig
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nshs-9hlbig
Runs his heart out, but should be nowhere near any Premier League side. That's how low we have sunk in these last 10 (the Moyes) Years.
Ciarán ? you do make me laugh!
Ciarán ? you do make me laugh!
Yeah I agree, Ciaran is a proper twat sometimes.
Thanks for the feedback albeit largely wrong..
At the risk of being even more contentious and opening myself up to the vitriol of the unimaginative... I'd suggest that although Stracq doesn't look like a good player because he isn't particularly graceful, if you actually analyse the outcome of what he tries, he is actually very effective ? a bit like Peter Crouch (dons metal helmet).
For example, I'd like to see a comparison of hold-up play vs Jelavic... I think Stracq retains possession, ie, receives the ball under pressure, and finds a teammate a higher percentage of the time than Jelavic. In our team, I consider that a useful asset, especially if the teammate he finds is Jelavic and Jelly pops it in the ol' onion bag.
He's much more effective than Anichebe who will be on double the wages.
I credit Evertonians with being smarter than the average fan but some of what I read on here clearly comes from the MotD school of analysis!
Thanks for the feedback albeit largely wrong..
At the risk of being even more contentious and opening myself up to the vitriol of the unimaginative... I'd suggest that although Stracq doesn't look like a good player because he isn't particularly graceful, if you actually analyse the outcome of what he tries, he is actually very effective ? a bit like Peter Crouch (dons metal helmet).
For example, I'd like to see a comparison of hold-up play vs Jelavic... I think Stracq retains possession, ie, receives the ball under pressure, and finds a teammate a higher percentage of the time than Jelavic. In our team, I consider that a useful asset, especially if the teammate he finds is Jelavic and Jelly pops it in the ol' onion bag.
He's much more effective than Anichebe who will be on double the wages.
I credit Evertonians with being smarter than the average fan but some of what I read on here clearly comes from the MotD school of analysis!
Sorry Ciaran, that was a bit harsh? But "one of the worst footballers I've ever seen" is a bit uncharitable too.
Unimaginative?
Compared to you? Certainly.
After all, you'd have to possess the imagination of CS Lewis to put the spin on Straqualursi's talent that you've just done.
As for the wholly fatuous comparison with Anichebe.... You couldn't have picked a more inappropriate skill to compare. The only thing Victor can do right is hold the ball up. He's the best striker we have at that particular skill.
He's a terrible footballer and his only redemptive feature is his comedy value. Maybe he could join you on stage. He could be the Eddie Large to your Syd Little.
Compared to you? Certainly.
After all, you'd have to possess the imagination of CS Lewis to put the spin on Straqualursi's talent that you've just done.
As for the wholly fatuous comparison with Anichebe.... You couldn't have picked a more inappropriate skill to compare. The only thing Victor can do right is hold the ball up. He's the best striker we have at that particular skill.
He's a terrible footballer and his only redemptive feature is his comedy value. Maybe he could join you on stage. He could be the Eddie Large to your Syd Little.
I like the orc-faced beast... I hope we sign him.
Thanks Straq bye bye
Adam (831) - Had the Blackburn-Wigan game on ESPN here. A game Blackburn had to win, and score goals doing so, to avoid relegation. Their "big scorer"? Completely invisible the entire game. Did what he's done all season. Hang around the off-side line and poach. When they needed him to do his best, at a most critical time, he was invisible. Fucking invisible better said.
Are you suggesting we get him back and milk that "first season" performance from him? I'm open to that since he'll come cheap and has the talent. But will he be in EPL shape next season after spending this season standing around the off-side line and doing nothing else?
The Straq? If he comes cheap, why not? He could come better next season after such a jump-up in competition. Who knows? But only if he's cheap.
Sell Anichebe. If he ever comes good, it won't be with us. I think he has it from the shoulders down. The neck up is another thing. He's been brought along from a pup to making a nice wage for a good team in the best league. Then what?
He's had it too easy as far as proving himself. He does have talent. See if a team in Portugal or Holland will have him and sell.
Are you suggesting we get him back and milk that "first season" performance from him? I'm open to that since he'll come cheap and has the talent. But will he be in EPL shape next season after spending this season standing around the off-side line and doing nothing else?
The Straq? If he comes cheap, why not? He could come better next season after such a jump-up in competition. Who knows? But only if he's cheap.
Sell Anichebe. If he ever comes good, it won't be with us. I think he has it from the shoulders down. The neck up is another thing. He's been brought along from a pup to making a nice wage for a good team in the best league. Then what?
He's had it too easy as far as proving himself. He does have talent. See if a team in Portugal or Holland will have him and sell.
And McGlone. You need to be in here more.
Speaking of which. Someone put an APB out on Dave Wilson. Where is he?
Speaking of which. Someone put an APB out on Dave Wilson. Where is he?
Moyes does not play with a 'number 10'. He'll cost more than a back up to Jelavic is worth. He'll only get off the bench when we are chasing a game.
For those reasons: I'm out.
Love his effort though.
For those reasons: I'm out.
Love his effort though.
Ciaran #886, try to make a point of what you want to say and say it.
Do you do weddings?
No but I do do Voo Doo oh yeah and I do do Judo too...lmao.
So Stracq doesn't make it into some aesthetic ideal some have on how a player does his job, thats great I bet the same dopes wondered why was Yakubu sold and complained when he scored his usual initial run of goals for Blackburn! Nevermind.
Do you do weddings?
No but I do do Voo Doo oh yeah and I do do Judo too...lmao.
So Stracq doesn't make it into some aesthetic ideal some have on how a player does his job, thats great I bet the same dopes wondered why was Yakubu sold and complained when he scored his usual initial run of goals for Blackburn! Nevermind.
Ciaran
You made me spill my coffee. Very funny.
As for the substance of the issue ? the fact is 1 million quid is a lot of money, given that we don't have ANY. For this level of ability rely on youth ? they generally also run their hearts out (until they get older and more cynical).
Our priorities are to sign Pienaar and someone with a bit of pace (and more ability than Seamus) to replace Drenthe on the right hand side.
Stracq would never start alongside Jelavic. His role would be to lead the line if Jelavic got injured. We do need some kind of cover there, but I think there may be better options in the market. I see that Heskey is being released by Villa ? looks like our price bracket!! (I jest.)
You made me spill my coffee. Very funny.
As for the substance of the issue ? the fact is 1 million quid is a lot of money, given that we don't have ANY. For this level of ability rely on youth ? they generally also run their hearts out (until they get older and more cynical).
Our priorities are to sign Pienaar and someone with a bit of pace (and more ability than Seamus) to replace Drenthe on the right hand side.
Stracq would never start alongside Jelavic. His role would be to lead the line if Jelavic got injured. We do need some kind of cover there, but I think there may be better options in the market. I see that Heskey is being released by Villa ? looks like our price bracket!! (I jest.)
Can't see why anyone would argue the toss between Anichabe and Stracq. Neither are good enough! I would prefer to see Vellios more often.
I also disagree that Cahill should never play again as someone has stated; he shouldn't be a starter anymore, as playing with Fellaini further forwards seems to offer more, but he has a role in the squad. He could still be a useful impact sub, but not every game.
I also disagree that Cahill should never play again as someone has stated; he shouldn't be a starter anymore, as playing with Fellaini further forwards seems to offer more, but he has a role in the squad. He could still be a useful impact sub, but not every game.
Jem,
My point was clear.
If by 'aesthetic', you actually mean 'good footballer' - then why not just say.
Crouch is a good footballer. Straqualursi ain't. And he won't improve either.
My point was clear.
If by 'aesthetic', you actually mean 'good footballer' - then why not just say.
Crouch is a good footballer. Straqualursi ain't. And he won't improve either.
Richard Reeves you reckon Duffy is ahead of Distin, Jags and Heitinga? Good player and certainly one for the future ... but you've got to play your best team.
Well it depends how much he costs?
I know he's a bit shit, but for all the talk about Donovan, Pienaar, Gibson, and Jelly, people seem to have forgotten who really ignited our season and got us back on track.
Sometimes a bloke with a bit of size and a bucketload of endeavour is just the type you need. I can see us needing him at some point just to liven us up.
I know he's a bit shit, but for all the talk about Donovan, Pienaar, Gibson, and Jelly, people seem to have forgotten who really ignited our season and got us back on track.
Sometimes a bloke with a bit of size and a bucketload of endeavour is just the type you need. I can see us needing him at some point just to liven us up.
Read again, I was comparing Straq's hold up play with that of Jelavic not big Vic however I suspect that doesn?t suit your argument.
Only the cursory level of analysis afforded by rushed Saturday night kopite pundits would credit Anichebe with being able to hold up the ball.. at first glance he?s a big lump alright but he spends more time ON his arse than with a defender up it.
Further, I contest you are basing your opinion of Straq on his gait, posture and aesthetic appearance as would an infant or a Liverpool fan for example, hence the demise of the aforementioned Peter Crouch, my suggestion is that if you analyse his output he?s proficient at most of what he attempts unlike many of our other strikers.
Only the cursory level of analysis afforded by rushed Saturday night kopite pundits would credit Anichebe with being able to hold up the ball.. at first glance he?s a big lump alright but he spends more time ON his arse than with a defender up it.
Further, I contest you are basing your opinion of Straq on his gait, posture and aesthetic appearance as would an infant or a Liverpool fan for example, hence the demise of the aforementioned Peter Crouch, my suggestion is that if you analyse his output he?s proficient at most of what he attempts unlike many of our other strikers.
Drew, there's no point in trying, some are just into how a player looks on the ball and how they fit their critique into that???
Sheer endeavour and patience not something commonly associated are what is needed in what looks like to more than one party.
Let's hope Moyes sees his qualities and Tigre lower the asking price quite a bit but I'd like to see the guy on a permanent deal to boost the Goodison crowd with his spirit!
I think that's also what is missing most of the time too!
Sheer endeavour and patience not something commonly associated are what is needed in what looks like to more than one party.
Let's hope Moyes sees his qualities and Tigre lower the asking price quite a bit but I'd like to see the guy on a permanent deal to boost the Goodison crowd with his spirit!
I think that's also what is missing most of the time too!
You can suggest whatever you want, Drew. You're still talking bollocks ? irrespective of how high you hold the veracity of your opinion... or how many times you try to crowbar references to children and kopites into your post.
O.K Ciaran who would you bring in to do the second striker/winger/attacking utility?
Shame the season is over at buckley hill as Moyes could go scout forwards of similar ability to straq playing there most sundays. I cannot beleive our fans want a player because he runs around a lot. I'm old fashioned i like strikers who score goals. If we see sense and send him back i wonder if anybody else in the PL would take a chance on this yard dog? I very much doubt it
Don't hold your breath for an idea Jem, Ciaran does not create, he derides, bemoans and detracts.. Check out his posts across the site, they are little more than single lines of bile.. 'Moyes this, Moyes that', 'worst footballer I've ever seen'.. Amusing in small doses but not useful in debate, and you certainly wouldn't want his neurosis anywhere near you at the match or in the pub.
Jem,
The answer is no-one. We have no money whatsoever, and any money our feckless chairman manages to conjure up..should go on the wings.
We have strikers able to fill a secondary striker role when needed (rarely, might I add).
Vellios and McAleny are due a go...and Anichebe will fill in when needed.
Now, if you'll excuse me I'm away to be neurotic. Maybe ill re-enact a scene from Manhattan Murder Mystery.
The answer is no-one. We have no money whatsoever, and any money our feckless chairman manages to conjure up..should go on the wings.
We have strikers able to fill a secondary striker role when needed (rarely, might I add).
Vellios and McAleny are due a go...and Anichebe will fill in when needed.
Now, if you'll excuse me I'm away to be neurotic. Maybe ill re-enact a scene from Manhattan Murder Mystery.
I know what you mean. I've had a couple of aquaintances of a similar kind in the past who could never really make it any further than that... Oh well, he knows what he's doing; probably best to ignore him.
Drew (189) - Sorry brother. McGlone is routinely right on. Amusing, as you say, yet he's repeatedly clever with it. You could take a lesson. He's Dave Wilson with a sense of humor.
By the way, the one thing I've seen from Vic the last 3 years is that he holds the ball up pretty well. Vic just needs to go and find his way in Portugal or Holland.
By the way, the one thing I've seen from Vic the last 3 years is that he holds the ball up pretty well. Vic just needs to go and find his way in Portugal or Holland.
Fair enough, I'm only trying to get a rise out of him - I included him amongst my Toffeeweb heroes on another thread so he knows I love him really.
'Find his way in Portugal or Holland'
Send him on loan to Tranmere next season and give him a taste of what life could be like if he doesn't pull his socks up
'Find his way in Portugal or Holland'
Send him on loan to Tranmere next season and give him a taste of what life could be like if he doesn't pull his socks up
Jimmy Flynn
His hold up play is poorest past of the poor players game. He's got a touch like a baby elephant and a stinking lazy attitude to go with it.
Most see him as a poor mans Heskey.
Anichebe can't touch the Straq on any aspect of the game. He doesn't even know how to use his size to his advantage.
The Straq is well capable of scoring 10-12 goals a season in this league if starting regularly. He also dominates aerially and holds up and brings other into the game very well.
He doesn't look a really good player because he isn't one. He's just effective at what he does. For a side that favours long, high balls for the first six months of every season a player like that is essential.
If we go into next season with Jela, Vellios and Straq as our forwards I'd be made up.
His hold up play is poorest past of the poor players game. He's got a touch like a baby elephant and a stinking lazy attitude to go with it.
Most see him as a poor mans Heskey.
Anichebe can't touch the Straq on any aspect of the game. He doesn't even know how to use his size to his advantage.
The Straq is well capable of scoring 10-12 goals a season in this league if starting regularly. He also dominates aerially and holds up and brings other into the game very well.
He doesn't look a really good player because he isn't one. He's just effective at what he does. For a side that favours long, high balls for the first six months of every season a player like that is essential.
If we go into next season with Jela, Vellios and Straq as our forwards I'd be made up.
Likeable but not good enough and we certainly shouldn't waste any money on his fee.
Haha...
And winner of this years golden knobhead award... Mr Ciarán McGlone!!.....[gushes, thanks parents and wipes a tear from eye]
And winner of this years golden knobhead award... Mr Ciarán McGlone!!.....[gushes, thanks parents and wipes a tear from eye]
Stephen (307) - "The Straq is well capable of scoring 10-12 goals a season in this league if starting regularly. He also dominates aerially and holds up and brings other into the game very well".
Fine by me. I'd like to see him get another year in the league. With us.
But our finance is what it is. He'd have to come cheap.
Fine by me. I'd like to see him get another year in the league. With us.
But our finance is what it is. He'd have to come cheap.
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No, he's got the LOOKS of a Grand National Winner and the touch of a lion.