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Who would you sell to raise transfer funds?
89 Comments: If you believe the tabloids, the usual suspects that play for us will be transfer targets for the wealthy this summer. Without investment from somewhere, David Moyes will be trading to gain funds, hopefully to bring back Pienaar and some much needed quality for right midfield, plus a bit of genuine pace up front.
There are fringe players at EFC picking up a wage for very little in return: Silva, Vellios, Anichebe, McFadden, Gueye and maybe Coleman but I doubt the sale of all these players would generate enough funds to buy Pienaar alone.
So, if someone comes in with a £15m to £20m million bid for say Baines (probably our most wanted player), will it be enough to replace him as well as buy Pienaar and find the right midfielder and striker we need?
I doubt there is anything in the transfer kitty so sell-to-buy will have to be the way this summer! Putting to one side the Bill Kenwright and Moyes Out shouts, which way would my fellow ToffeeWebbers go with this summers "horse trading"?
Mark Roberts, Posted 09/05/2012 at 16:08:13
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If Rodwell wasn't injured i'd sell him in a second. We sure wouldn't miss him.
I think there's only four contenders to step into the highly prizeed role of 'scapegoat' in Bill's latest summer production:
Fellaini, Baines, Jagielka or Heitinga.
Those four are the only players who could attract significant bids. Jelavic has only been here a matter of months and surely no opposition manager would be so brazen to try and tempt him away just yet. Any interested parties who were, a short while ago, considering spunking a sizeable wedge on Rodwell will have now backed off quicker than that Argentinian midwife after Stracqualarsi popped his head out his mothers minge.
Out of the four I named I would have to say Jagielka would be the one I would be least sorry to see go. Unfortunately, he's probably one Moyes would be loathe to lose and it's unlikely any club would come in with a bid to match the one Arsenal made last summer.
Fellaini, Baines, Jagielka or Heitinga.
Those four are the only players who could attract significant bids. Jelavic has only been here a matter of months and surely no opposition manager would be so brazen to try and tempt him away just yet. Any interested parties who were, a short while ago, considering spunking a sizeable wedge on Rodwell will have now backed off quicker than that Argentinian midwife after Stracqualarsi popped his head out his mothers minge.
Out of the four I named I would have to say Jagielka would be the one I would be least sorry to see go. Unfortunately, he's probably one Moyes would be loathe to lose and it's unlikely any club would come in with a bid to match the one Arsenal made last summer.
If Bayern Munich bid £15-20m for Baines, I would be tempted. I know he has been one of our best players but that is an awful lot of cash for a left back. I would rather we didn't sell him, however, and would rather we sold Rodwell as I feel we would not miss him that much.
I would also sell on/move on Stracqualursi, Silva, McFadden, Baxter, Anichebe and Drenthe to save wages more than anything.
I would also sell on/move on Stracqualursi, Silva, McFadden, Baxter, Anichebe and Drenthe to save wages more than anything.
John Daley, don't you know that Stracqualursi came out arse first and that the midwife is now "resting" in a psychiatric hospital?
Mark,
I believe about £10 mill will go to the bank so it would be pretty much impossible to replace Baines with three players but, if it was possible to sell a number of players, even for small amounts, then I would ? if only to get some off the wage bill and create some money:
Jags ? £5M
Neville ? £2M
Osman ? £2M
Cahill ? £2M
Anichebe ? £3M.
That's £14M so £10M to the bank and £4M for Pienaar. Losing these players won't make us loose more games as they offer very little and especially with Duffy and Barkley needing more game experience.
I believe about £10 mill will go to the bank so it would be pretty much impossible to replace Baines with three players but, if it was possible to sell a number of players, even for small amounts, then I would ? if only to get some off the wage bill and create some money:
Jags ? £5M
Neville ? £2M
Osman ? £2M
Cahill ? £2M
Anichebe ? £3M.
That's £14M so £10M to the bank and £4M for Pienaar. Losing these players won't make us loose more games as they offer very little and especially with Duffy and Barkley needing more game experience.
Richard (#939), do you seriously think Moyes would part with any of those payers?
I would be very surprised to see any of his Fab Fave Five leave Goodison Park this summer.
I would be very surprised to see any of his Fab Fave Five leave Goodison Park this summer.
I think a lot will depend on the player's attitiude. Any of the players that other clubs would want would be hoping to play in the Euros in the summer. A good tournement could see a player's value, and any subsequent signing on fee, increase. A poor tournement, or not getting drafted into a squad at all and your value and sign on fee could plummet. This would apply in particular to Jagielka as the England squad hasn't been named yet as far as I know.
In terms of the club wanting to do business, you would hope that for once we do it early. Again, this may be influenced by the Euros and I think that we may not get the business that we want completed in the time that we want.
In terms of the club wanting to do business, you would hope that for once we do it early. Again, this may be influenced by the Euros and I think that we may not get the business that we want completed in the time that we want.
We can't be accepting £15 million for Baines. Even £20 million is cheeky. Glen Johnson cost Liverpool £17 million and is vastly inferior to Baines. Henderson £20 million, Downing £20 million. Even Kolarov was a fair bit. That's the going rate so we shouldn't be mugs in the market. Slap the £26 million price tag that Lescott had on him as a minimum. These top clubs can pay through the nose if they want top talent.
Sell Osman for £2m!!!!!
Say what you like about the lad but you cannot even buy someone from bloody Tranmere for that price.
Who would you replace him with for the buttons you want to sell him for?
The lad can score goals and can have some cracking games for us at times.
Say what you like about the lad but you cannot even buy someone from bloody Tranmere for that price.
Who would you replace him with for the buttons you want to sell him for?
The lad can score goals and can have some cracking games for us at times.
Does anyone think City will do a swap deal with Osman for Silva?
How about that Messi at Barcelona Joe? I've heard he's handy enough. Have my doubts about that Van Persie lad.
Richard, how do these players offer very little? Jags when fit and in good form is in the top bracket of centre backs in the Premier League, you're not going to be able to replace him for £5 million.
Neville, Cahill and Osman are on the team sheet every week (regardless of people's personal opinions of their talents). Neville's the club captain and first choice right back whereas Osman has played 300 games for us and is still our best option on the right flank due to the paucity of the squad.
These are hardly players rotting on the bench picking up a wage. If you sell them for buttons then you need to buy 3 first team players just to keep the squad numbers the same and you won't find quality at those prices?
Neville, Cahill and Osman are on the team sheet every week (regardless of people's personal opinions of their talents). Neville's the club captain and first choice right back whereas Osman has played 300 games for us and is still our best option on the right flank due to the paucity of the squad.
These are hardly players rotting on the bench picking up a wage. If you sell them for buttons then you need to buy 3 first team players just to keep the squad numbers the same and you won't find quality at those prices?
Blatantly this post will bring the cries of 'Rodwell for anything near £10m', on the basis of 'he only passes side-ways'. I personally think the lad will develop into a cracking player and he's probably shit scared to hold onto the ball if you lot berate him every time he plays.
There's probably only two players in the current squad who would command £15m+ and that's Fellaini and Baines, in my opinion. I would loathe to see either leave unless it was for stupid bucks.
With the current options, I'd hope Jagielka has a decent run out for England and puts a few million on his valuation and maybe we could raise a cheeky £12m at the very most. Then look to offoad some fringe lads: Coleman, Anichebe, Mucha, Silva, Gueye... surely raising £8-10m?!?
Couple of decent free's available out there at the minute and hopefully we've laid some foundations? Hoilett has to've been mentioned surely?
There's probably only two players in the current squad who would command £15m+ and that's Fellaini and Baines, in my opinion. I would loathe to see either leave unless it was for stupid bucks.
With the current options, I'd hope Jagielka has a decent run out for England and puts a few million on his valuation and maybe we could raise a cheeky £12m at the very most. Then look to offoad some fringe lads: Coleman, Anichebe, Mucha, Silva, Gueye... surely raising £8-10m?!?
Couple of decent free's available out there at the minute and hopefully we've laid some foundations? Hoilett has to've been mentioned surely?
James (957) - You say..
"Neville, Cahill and Osman are on the team sheet every week (regardless of people's personal opinions of their talents)"
Well if the discussion is 'who would YOU sell?', who is on the team sheet is neither here nor there.
Fact: If the five players Richard picked left tomorrow I wouldn't lose a wink's sleep (although given what incredibly average players go for now, I would hope for closer to 20m for the five)
"Neville, Cahill and Osman are on the team sheet every week (regardless of people's personal opinions of their talents)"
Well if the discussion is 'who would YOU sell?', who is on the team sheet is neither here nor there.
Fact: If the five players Richard picked left tomorrow I wouldn't lose a wink's sleep (although given what incredibly average players go for now, I would hope for closer to 20m for the five)
1: Finally sell Yobo to raise the Pienaar funds.
2: Don't sell Baines (unless it's a ridiculous amount, £25M+.
3: Junior Hoilett in on a free.
4: Daniel Pranjic in on a free (the Croatian leftback/left winger who was waiting at the airport ready to join us on 31 Jan until Munich demanded £3m... he is now on a free).
5: Get rid of the deadwood ? Silva, McFadden, Baxter et al.
6: If there is any spending money, then go for someone to play with/alongside/behind Jelavic... Dempsey?? If no money, then the loan market again.
7: Last day of August... keep the phones and fax machine turned off and ban the press from Finch Farm and GP.
2: Don't sell Baines (unless it's a ridiculous amount, £25M+.
3: Junior Hoilett in on a free.
4: Daniel Pranjic in on a free (the Croatian leftback/left winger who was waiting at the airport ready to join us on 31 Jan until Munich demanded £3m... he is now on a free).
5: Get rid of the deadwood ? Silva, McFadden, Baxter et al.
6: If there is any spending money, then go for someone to play with/alongside/behind Jelavic... Dempsey?? If no money, then the loan market again.
7: Last day of August... keep the phones and fax machine turned off and ban the press from Finch Farm and GP.
Although when those players were dropped for the derby at Anfield, everyone went (and is still going) nuts.
Eugene, I have. Even a critic at times this season of most of those players, but if we got shut of all them at once we would be fucked. They do a job, not brilliant but one that keeps us safe. Who would you replace them with?
The recent comments made by Robert Elstone regarding the apparent downturn in interest on the investment front (ahem, those at the back, stop sniggering!) we are without doubt going to encounter another pre-season of 'horse-trading', albeit probably delayed on account of the European Championship.
I can imagine serious bids being received for Fellaini and Baines and, given the Club's perilous financial situation, can we honestly expect either player to want to show loyalty, given their respective careers and aspirations are probably being stifled at Everton???
This situation repeats itself ad-infinitum and it's hard to see how Everton will ever progress with a business model that is undoubtedly based upon developing players with the prospect of selling them on for a much greater value.
Kenwright has continued to hold on to his trainset for this long based upon this process, I guess Moyes is culpable but he is hardly in any place to rock the boat given that he is rewarded with such a lucrative salary.
I can imagine serious bids being received for Fellaini and Baines and, given the Club's perilous financial situation, can we honestly expect either player to want to show loyalty, given their respective careers and aspirations are probably being stifled at Everton???
This situation repeats itself ad-infinitum and it's hard to see how Everton will ever progress with a business model that is undoubtedly based upon developing players with the prospect of selling them on for a much greater value.
Kenwright has continued to hold on to his trainset for this long based upon this process, I guess Moyes is culpable but he is hardly in any place to rock the boat given that he is rewarded with such a lucrative salary.
I think selling a centre back is a risky thing to do unless we are forced to by the player. Duffy is a season away from being a full time solution so we should not sell either Jags or Johnny unless we have a damn good replacement coming in. Why? Their sales won't be lucrative enough to make a difference. This replacement would obviously need to be younger and a centre back we expect to be a long term solution. Last time we were rushed into selling a centre back and then buying reinforcements, we probably snatched at bringing in Distin which was always a relatively short term fix because of his age.
I really don't think Baines would want to leave and I don't think Moyes would want him to go. Plus we have nobody else who can play there to anywhere near the same standard.
So sadly that brings me onto Fellaini. I believe he genuinely loves the club but he will be a realist if a rich club come knocking and his agent/father won't exactly stop him moving. He would bring in the most money and save on wages as he is a top earner. Can we replace him? No, of course we can't. Therefore we would have to spend some decent cash replacing him but he should bring in enough that we can buy back Pienaar and feed the hungry banks on top of that.
Depressing eh?
I really don't think Baines would want to leave and I don't think Moyes would want him to go. Plus we have nobody else who can play there to anywhere near the same standard.
So sadly that brings me onto Fellaini. I believe he genuinely loves the club but he will be a realist if a rich club come knocking and his agent/father won't exactly stop him moving. He would bring in the most money and save on wages as he is a top earner. Can we replace him? No, of course we can't. Therefore we would have to spend some decent cash replacing him but he should bring in enough that we can buy back Pienaar and feed the hungry banks on top of that.
Depressing eh?
Eugene, I wasn't having a go at his choice of who to sell. I was just debating his assertion that they offer very little. I was also questioning his value of them particularly Jagielka who is surely worth more than £5 million and after what he has done for Everotn doesn't deserve to be banded in with Anichebe as a player who offers very little; he could well be one of our first choice centre backs next season.
It seems the club needs one or two big sales, so we'll lose those players for whom a large enough offer is received. However, it seems inconceivable that Pienaar will be bought with the proceeds - perhaps another loan might be on the cards if Spurs don't get an offer from another club.
Players we need to get rid of:
Mucha
McFadden
Cahill
Neville
Anichebe
Silva
Yobo
Players with a price on their head
Baines £22m
Heitinga £12m
Jagielka £8m
Osman £2m
Fellaini £25m
Rodwell £6m
Mucha
McFadden
Cahill
Neville
Anichebe
Silva
Yobo
Players with a price on their head
Baines £22m
Heitinga £12m
Jagielka £8m
Osman £2m
Fellaini £25m
Rodwell £6m
The idea to sell a load of our less valuable players (and the ones some people have it in for) for buttons doesn't add up.
Anichebe : I cannot see anyone paying more than £2 million for him. From the bench he will get us a decent return of goals per game ratio which it might cost us more to replace. Nah, the idea to get rid of him isn't connected to raising funds, it's because certain posters dislike him intensely. If he suddenly banged in 12 in a season and we could cash in, then yes but not at the moment.
Neville : He simply would bring nothing in. He still has a viable role within the club so he's an asset that isn't on the balance sheet.
Cahill : Similar to Neville but I think, if played less, he might have one last hoorah. The money we would make from his sale would be negligible so why bother if he still can contribute?
Osman : Because of his age, any selling on fee would be small. He is another body like Cahill and Neville but one, despite the opinion's of some, that can contribute a decent amount of assists and goals.
Jagielka : Another player whereby the cost to replace his contribution might end up wiping out any profit we might have made on him. We could have made good money on selling him that summer if he hadn't got injured in 2009 or even last summer. But the older he gets, this is less of an attractive sale especially as he can often be real quality.
Selling 4 or 5 players to scrape together funds to potentially replace them with 3 or 4 won't exactly help our squad unless Moyes manages a 100% success rate in the bargain basement market which is an unrealistic expectation.
Anichebe : I cannot see anyone paying more than £2 million for him. From the bench he will get us a decent return of goals per game ratio which it might cost us more to replace. Nah, the idea to get rid of him isn't connected to raising funds, it's because certain posters dislike him intensely. If he suddenly banged in 12 in a season and we could cash in, then yes but not at the moment.
Neville : He simply would bring nothing in. He still has a viable role within the club so he's an asset that isn't on the balance sheet.
Cahill : Similar to Neville but I think, if played less, he might have one last hoorah. The money we would make from his sale would be negligible so why bother if he still can contribute?
Osman : Because of his age, any selling on fee would be small. He is another body like Cahill and Neville but one, despite the opinion's of some, that can contribute a decent amount of assists and goals.
Jagielka : Another player whereby the cost to replace his contribution might end up wiping out any profit we might have made on him. We could have made good money on selling him that summer if he hadn't got injured in 2009 or even last summer. But the older he gets, this is less of an attractive sale especially as he can often be real quality.
Selling 4 or 5 players to scrape together funds to potentially replace them with 3 or 4 won't exactly help our squad unless Moyes manages a 100% success rate in the bargain basement market which is an unrealistic expectation.
Joel (#958), Rodwell might well develop into a good player but not while he warms the bench or the medical room. The same goes for Barcley Barkley and for that matter any young player who has suffered 10 or more years under the negative regime of Moyes and his coaching panel of ex-defender clones.
My advice to any player with a grain of talent is get yourself as far away from them as possible and do it before you are out of your teens.
My advice to any player with a grain of talent is get yourself as far away from them as possible and do it before you are out of your teens.
James #976
Theres a reason people have it in for Anichebe.
Even if little money was brought in by selling Cahill and Neville, it would save us £100,000 a week in wages and both are useless anyway.
As for Jagielka, I really like him but the standard of centre halves is high and I would be confident of replacing him with a player who would cost and earn less without being that far behind Jag's ability.
Theres a reason people have it in for Anichebe.
Even if little money was brought in by selling Cahill and Neville, it would save us £100,000 a week in wages and both are useless anyway.
As for Jagielka, I really like him but the standard of centre halves is high and I would be confident of replacing him with a player who would cost and earn less without being that far behind Jag's ability.
Dick - if Barkley moves on soon, does that mean we are not subjected to 10 years of you repeatedly spelling his name wrong?
@ Paul
As someone with a similar thing going on with your first and second name, I would have thought you might have spotted my first name is Andrew...
But joking aside, many used to think we could bring in the likes of Wheater, Dann or Johnson to replace Jags thus turning a tidy profit. These players are now all tainted. Picking up a player like this for a bargain is very hard.
As someone with a similar thing going on with your first and second name, I would have thought you might have spotted my first name is Andrew...
But joking aside, many used to think we could bring in the likes of Wheater, Dann or Johnson to replace Jags thus turning a tidy profit. These players are now all tainted. Picking up a player like this for a bargain is very hard.
Andrew
Ha sorry I noticed as soon as I sent it. I like Collins at Villa and Tomkins at West Ham and think either would be really good signings.
Ha sorry I noticed as soon as I sent it. I like Collins at Villa and Tomkins at West Ham and think either would be really good signings.
Dick Fearon. never a truer bloody statement made than your posting. Moyes stifles talent for some bizzar reason and constantly picks Neville, Osman & Cahill, all good servants of the club, but they are past their best and need to be benched to make way for others.
Never really warmed to Cahill when he more or less said he wasn't bothered by not scoring, and it bloody showed.
I think we are in for much of the same dire crap football with the possiblity of a reverse in fortune, off to a flier and down hill from there. Safety first, last, and always with Moyes these days.
It's this season that has been a let-down for all the negativity in particular the 3 losses to the RS, that was the penultimate nail in the coffin, the ultimate being if we finish below them after that final surge we have had. That will be a disgrace and Moyes should hang his head in shame.
Rooting for the team on Sunday, I will be at the match hope; we win with some stylish play and some spirit.
COYB
Never really warmed to Cahill when he more or less said he wasn't bothered by not scoring, and it bloody showed.
I think we are in for much of the same dire crap football with the possiblity of a reverse in fortune, off to a flier and down hill from there. Safety first, last, and always with Moyes these days.
It's this season that has been a let-down for all the negativity in particular the 3 losses to the RS, that was the penultimate nail in the coffin, the ultimate being if we finish below them after that final surge we have had. That will be a disgrace and Moyes should hang his head in shame.
Rooting for the team on Sunday, I will be at the match hope; we win with some stylish play and some spirit.
COYB
Instead of getting a "Jack of all trades" in, I feel we should look at quality.
In the past we have needed a 5-man midfield because of the lack of quality.
I would go for Hollett on a free and Dempsey if he is cheap enough. I would like to get a decent RB too if funds allow.
To reduce the wage bill McFaddy and Mucha have to go. Drenthe will not be retained and Stracq looks unlikely.
We could try to sell Rodwell (£10-15m), Anichebe (£3-4m), Coleman (£4-5m).
I would be very loathe to sell Baines, Fellaini, Heitinga or Barkley as their quality can be built on and Neville, Cahill, Hibbo and Ossie are past their optimum value period so would bring in less than they are worth to the squad.
In the past we have needed a 5-man midfield because of the lack of quality.
I would go for Hollett on a free and Dempsey if he is cheap enough. I would like to get a decent RB too if funds allow.
To reduce the wage bill McFaddy and Mucha have to go. Drenthe will not be retained and Stracq looks unlikely.
We could try to sell Rodwell (£10-15m), Anichebe (£3-4m), Coleman (£4-5m).
I would be very loathe to sell Baines, Fellaini, Heitinga or Barkley as their quality can be built on and Neville, Cahill, Hibbo and Ossie are past their optimum value period so would bring in less than they are worth to the squad.
Hi Paul
Yes, I have been monitoring Collins at Villa since he left West Ham. He must be what, 26 or 27 now?
I think he, under the tutelage of Moyes, could be a good bet, but the problem is cost. I reckon he might cost only 20% or 25% less than what we could sell Jags for so the money raised for other signings is tiny (or bound for the bank!)
I don't know enough about Tomkins to have a view. I still think Wheater might do a job but Roger Johnson (once someone I thought worth a punt) is clearly a plonker.
I would love it if Duffy came through as I like the look of him.
Yes, I have been monitoring Collins at Villa since he left West Ham. He must be what, 26 or 27 now?
I think he, under the tutelage of Moyes, could be a good bet, but the problem is cost. I reckon he might cost only 20% or 25% less than what we could sell Jags for so the money raised for other signings is tiny (or bound for the bank!)
I don't know enough about Tomkins to have a view. I still think Wheater might do a job but Roger Johnson (once someone I thought worth a punt) is clearly a plonker.
I would love it if Duffy came through as I like the look of him.
Jay
Bit harsh on Seamus to sell him after his difficult second season. If he can stay fit he will prove more worth than the figure you suggest I am sure.
Big Vic for £3-4 million? Unlikely given what we got for Vaughan.
But Dempsey is a good shout to play in the Cahill role. He has the energy that Tim possessed 4 or 5 seasons ago. (I really dislike talking about Cahill in such a way as he's been our best player in the last decade)
Bit harsh on Seamus to sell him after his difficult second season. If he can stay fit he will prove more worth than the figure you suggest I am sure.
Big Vic for £3-4 million? Unlikely given what we got for Vaughan.
But Dempsey is a good shout to play in the Cahill role. He has the energy that Tim possessed 4 or 5 seasons ago. (I really dislike talking about Cahill in such a way as he's been our best player in the last decade)
My two heroes were sold, Roy Vernon and Alex Young. As far as I am concerned, any of the useless tossers we have wearing our shirts can be got rid of ASAP. Not one of them could have laced the boots of my boys! The money, the adulation the present culprits we have are an absolute disgrace and they are all for sale!
If other clubs are deluded enough to think Fellaini is worth what some Evertonians on here think he's worth then sell him.
It would be a double whammy as we get our highest paid player off the books and so save some cash too.
But other clubs are more likely to be interested in our best player, and the best in the league in his position, Baines.
BUT we'll only be able to sell players that we actually get an offer for so there's no point in wishing for any of them to be gone.
It would be a double whammy as we get our highest paid player off the books and so save some cash too.
But other clubs are more likely to be interested in our best player, and the best in the league in his position, Baines.
BUT we'll only be able to sell players that we actually get an offer for so there's no point in wishing for any of them to be gone.
Baines and Cahill should be packed as a combo. Cahill is useless without Baines' crosses. Baines needs Pienaar and Distin to do his defending.
Offload Osman at any price. My cat can pass the ball harder at Wembley. And can put in a hard tackle.
Finally include Moyes as a freebie. We all know freebies are immediately thrown in the bin as no one ever buys them if given the choice.
Phil Neville as manager (only).
Offload Osman at any price. My cat can pass the ball harder at Wembley. And can put in a hard tackle.
Finally include Moyes as a freebie. We all know freebies are immediately thrown in the bin as no one ever buys them if given the choice.
Phil Neville as manager (only).
Well we all know that the "meeja" and the football 'talking heads' think Dour Dire Defensive Tactically Inept Davey is the best thing since sliced bread so lets sell HIM. After all he is on contract so we must be able to TRANSFER him. Surely top Premiership and International clubs would be falling over themselves if such a desirable property was put on the market and would be willing to pay top dollar to secure such a "successful !!!!!" managers services ............................... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Asking who we should sell is an irrelevant question. It should be which Everton players would any other Prem team want and how much are they willing to pay for them?
We are a SELLING CLUB and will do exactly what the Banks tell us we must do to survive. So all these 'pie in the sky' 'wet dream' fantasies buys that some on here are trying to weave just don't stand up to the cold light of reality.
We will sell because we HAVE to - we will NOT buy before we sell because we CANT - and we will not use ALL the money from our sales to buy new players because its not OUR money its the BANKS.
We are a SELLING CLUB and will do exactly what the Banks tell us we must do to survive. So all these 'pie in the sky' 'wet dream' fantasies buys that some on here are trying to weave just don't stand up to the cold light of reality.
We will sell because we HAVE to - we will NOT buy before we sell because we CANT - and we will not use ALL the money from our sales to buy new players because its not OUR money its the BANKS.
Is Moyes under contract? Maybe we can get a few quid for him when he fucks off...
This Newcastle game is the ultimate test for Mr Choke, Mr Bottler...
This Newcastle game is the ultimate test for Mr Choke, Mr Bottler...
Fellaini and Baines are top internationals, and are worth up to and over 25 million.
Kolarov is simalar to Baines so the price must be the same.
Fellaini is among the best tall midfielders in the PL, so he is worth at least 25.
Problem is I fear that Moyes will feel pressure to sell for less than our players are worth, just like he did last summer.
This transfer window is crucial, it will have a lasting effect if Moyes does sell for less than the market price.
Given his feeling that he needs to conduct his buisness early, then I fear we will not get enough money to replace whichever player he sells, plus Pienaar.
How I wish Moyes could be more of a hard arse in the market like Spurs or Newcastle is.
My fear is not who we will sell, but if Moyes will sell for less then market price.
I pray he toughens up this summer as I do not want a repeat of last summer.
Read somewhere Moyes gave Yakubu away on a free. (If that is true then he should be sacked for it. After all we did pay6 11.25 million for him)
This is the only huge fault Moyes has made in ten years but that does not make it any less stupid.
Kolarov is simalar to Baines so the price must be the same.
Fellaini is among the best tall midfielders in the PL, so he is worth at least 25.
Problem is I fear that Moyes will feel pressure to sell for less than our players are worth, just like he did last summer.
This transfer window is crucial, it will have a lasting effect if Moyes does sell for less than the market price.
Given his feeling that he needs to conduct his buisness early, then I fear we will not get enough money to replace whichever player he sells, plus Pienaar.
How I wish Moyes could be more of a hard arse in the market like Spurs or Newcastle is.
My fear is not who we will sell, but if Moyes will sell for less then market price.
I pray he toughens up this summer as I do not want a repeat of last summer.
Read somewhere Moyes gave Yakubu away on a free. (If that is true then he should be sacked for it. After all we did pay6 11.25 million for him)
This is the only huge fault Moyes has made in ten years but that does not make it any less stupid.
^I read Yakubu cost Blackburn £1.5 million.
Who would I sell to raise transfer funds?
Hmmmmm.
David Moyes.
If you can sell overpriced players for silly money, then why not managers???
Hmmmmm.
David Moyes.
If you can sell overpriced players for silly money, then why not managers???
NOBODY will buy Fellaini for £25m coz he's not worth half that.
Lets face it people, if ANY of our players were truly any good they'd not be playing for Everton.
Jella looks top quality, but if he carries on, there is NO WAY we'll keep him for more than another 12 months.
It doesn't matter who we sell or who we buy, Moyes will keep us up...
Just accept that's 'success' for the time-being and get on with it.
Lets face it people, if ANY of our players were truly any good they'd not be playing for Everton.
Jella looks top quality, but if he carries on, there is NO WAY we'll keep him for more than another 12 months.
It doesn't matter who we sell or who we buy, Moyes will keep us up...
Just accept that's 'success' for the time-being and get on with it.
Yakubu wasn't worth more than £1.5M when we sold him, which is exactly what we got for him. He was lazy and gave up every game except one against LFC. He started brilliantly at Blackburn but is having his usual (predicted by many on here) dip and hasn't scored many goals at all in the second half of the season. Looks to be back to his old ways and thank god Moyes got rid of him!
Jimmy #13 The amount of times you link Moyes and finances is ridiculous, he has nothing to do with the money as Bill tells him what he has and what he can spend! You say "Moyes will sell for less" "Moyes could be more of a hard arse in the market" etc I think you should replace Moyes in all that with "THE BOARD"!!!
Jimmy #13 The amount of times you link Moyes and finances is ridiculous, he has nothing to do with the money as Bill tells him what he has and what he can spend! You say "Moyes will sell for less" "Moyes could be more of a hard arse in the market" etc I think you should replace Moyes in all that with "THE BOARD"!!!
Although the question posed is about opinions I think we need to be realistic. Moyes is highly unlikely to sell any of Howard, Hibbert, Disitn, Neville, Osman, Cahill or Anichibe. The likes of Guye, Velios and Coleman are raw young players who I think we should hope improve and who are unlikely to attract much interest as it is. They provide good back-up to the squad also. There is what has been called deadwood in the form of McFadden, Baxter, Silva, Yobo etc and I agree it's time to get these guys off the wage bill even it means just releasing them. That leaves us with Heitinga, Jagielka, Baines, Fellaini, Gibson and Jelavic. I think that Heitinga will be in a flash after a good Euros and we might get about 10m for him. I think Baines is happy to remain at the club as he's a homebird and won't push the issue, plus we have pretty much no cover for him. I think a bid of 15m+ for Fellaini would have his Dad dancing and that might be pushed through at the last minute similar to the Lescott issue. Gibson will attract little attention as he won't get much time in Poland and I hope that Jelavic has a quiet one too as I have a slight fear over him. So that'd be Heitinga and Fellaini away for 25m of which we'd use about half to patch things up. Oh forgot about Jagielka. He'll stay Heitinga goes (I guess).
See it is already being reported that Man Utd will offer £10 million for Baines as early as next week. When there is a tournament in the summer Ferguson always tries to get new players signed before the tournament starts.
So I think Davie needs to ask Baines does he want to go, if the answer is yes then squeeze every last penny out of United. I think the worry for us is would we be able to retain any of our better players should offers come in,sadly I think the answer is no.
I think the beginning of this season saw the effect of having no money to sign players had on Moyes and the players. The worry is if we loose both Baines and Fellaini what effect would that have on the squad and manager starting next season.
So I think Davie needs to ask Baines does he want to go, if the answer is yes then squeeze every last penny out of United. I think the worry for us is would we be able to retain any of our better players should offers come in,sadly I think the answer is no.
I think the beginning of this season saw the effect of having no money to sign players had on Moyes and the players. The worry is if we loose both Baines and Fellaini what effect would that have on the squad and manager starting next season.
Absolute 'must keeps' for next season if we want to actually do anything, Baines, Heitinga, Fellaini, Jelavic and 'Pienaar'. I don't subscribe to the if they were any good they wouldn't be playing for Everton bollocks, fact is, Baines has been the best left back in the Prem for the last 2-3 years and he is still playing here.
Personally, I'd sell Rodwell, I don't think we as a club suit him, and he as a player doesn't suit us. Perhaps a clean break would be the best for both parties. A decent fee would be paid for him and he has already been replaced.
I am one of the ones who is fed up with the 'side pass' that he produces on a regular basis, now I know an earlier post suggested that its because he's scared because he constantly gets stick from the fans for it. Well he never used to do that, so we've come to expect a little more from him, particulary as he seems to have acquired this 'skill' upon signing his new contract, if you're paid more, we expect more.
Personally, I'd sell Rodwell, I don't think we as a club suit him, and he as a player doesn't suit us. Perhaps a clean break would be the best for both parties. A decent fee would be paid for him and he has already been replaced.
I am one of the ones who is fed up with the 'side pass' that he produces on a regular basis, now I know an earlier post suggested that its because he's scared because he constantly gets stick from the fans for it. Well he never used to do that, so we've come to expect a little more from him, particulary as he seems to have acquired this 'skill' upon signing his new contract, if you're paid more, we expect more.
James,
You say, "Jags when fit and in good form is in the top bracket of centre backs in the Premier League; you're not going to replace him for £5million". ? Depending on how big that bracket is, I would have to argue that he isn't among the best and offers nothing more than what Duffy can do. This is why we don't need to spend money on a replacement.
If you have a problem with my valuation, then just add on £2M or even £5M if that's what you think he's worth... but the point is, I would sell him along with the others.
You say, "Jags when fit and in good form is in the top bracket of centre backs in the Premier League; you're not going to replace him for £5million". ? Depending on how big that bracket is, I would have to argue that he isn't among the best and offers nothing more than what Duffy can do. This is why we don't need to spend money on a replacement.
If you have a problem with my valuation, then just add on £2M or even £5M if that's what you think he's worth... but the point is, I would sell him along with the others.
£10 Million for Baines! Come on, he is 100 times better than Lescott and he went for more than that. We don't need to sell anyone that we don't want to sell... so Rodwell and Jags would be the only players I'd say might leave.
Oh well... several say "relaease Baxter"
This morning's news: "Baxter to be offered new 2-year deal".
This morning's news: "Baxter to be offered new 2-year deal".
Sell Jagielka and bring in Olsen and Pienaar, use Drenthe's wages to bring Hoilett from Blackburn, sell Rodwell and buy Moses. Davey can then wheel and deal to bring in loan covers for Baines and Jelavic
With all that and Barkley and Duffy step up to regular members of the first team squad and job is done. 7th place here we come
With all that and Barkley and Duffy step up to regular members of the first team squad and job is done. 7th place here we come
Which Olsen Andrew? If you're on about Martin Olsson from from Blackburn, he's actually a left back/left midfielder, so you wouldn't need a loan cover for baines, as he'd be it, so you've effectively bought a £4-5 million backup if you're classing him as a left back. If he's a left winger, then I think we could probably sign a better player for that kind of money! If you're on about his brother Marcus also from Blackburn, well he's a left winger, and a pretty ordinary one at that.
By the way, I actually rate Martin Olsson, so if we had to sell Baines, then he wouldn't be a bad replacement.
By the way, I actually rate Martin Olsson, so if we had to sell Baines, then he wouldn't be a bad replacement.
The only way any of our own youngsters will be seen in a blue shirt is to sell or give away most of the first team and let the banks keep all the cash raised.
Then we will see if Davy is the real Messiah or just a naughty boy.
Then we will see if Davy is the real Messiah or just a naughty boy.
A few observations:
A lot of people on here will complain that the manager doesn't get the best out of the players he's got. Yet in today's terms nobody seems to attach any great value to those players.
Most of the complaints are about the quality of football we play, but rather than bring Osman, one of our few footballers, in from the wing (where admittedly he is crap) and play him in his best position, they seem to want to sell him for peanuts.
Nearly everyone wants Vic gone and very few have called for Cahill to go. Yet despite hardly playing a full game, Vic has scored twice as many as Cahill this season and earns about a third of his wages.
Despite seriously talented players like Berbatov and Adam Johnson hardly getting a game for the teams above us, many people want to look for yard dogs who finished below us to replace players we sell.
And what's all this about selling Jagielka?
A lot of people on here will complain that the manager doesn't get the best out of the players he's got. Yet in today's terms nobody seems to attach any great value to those players.
Most of the complaints are about the quality of football we play, but rather than bring Osman, one of our few footballers, in from the wing (where admittedly he is crap) and play him in his best position, they seem to want to sell him for peanuts.
Nearly everyone wants Vic gone and very few have called for Cahill to go. Yet despite hardly playing a full game, Vic has scored twice as many as Cahill this season and earns about a third of his wages.
Despite seriously talented players like Berbatov and Adam Johnson hardly getting a game for the teams above us, many people want to look for yard dogs who finished below us to replace players we sell.
And what's all this about selling Jagielka?
Meant Jonas from WBA Lee, as linked earlier in the week. I think he would make a viable replacement for Jags as cover for out 2 first choice CBs and a decent price (apparently)
Sorry Andrew, completely forgot about him. That makes more sense now!ha
Dave, if I may, in reverse order, I think Jags' sale isn't being called for, more that if, in the likely event that we need to sell to repay the banks or fund new acquisitions then Jagielka would be the best one to sell all things considered. Berbatove and Johnson would surely be looking for twice what we'd be able to pay them so I, for one, felt it pointless to mention them as much as I'd take either. Vic's goals ratio proves just how irrelevant statistics can be. I don't buy into that at all although I think he's worth keeping considering how little we'd get and the fact that he can do a certain type of job for us at a stretch. The sale of Osman is a non-starter as I see it but if we got a certain Peanuts for him I'd be very happy :-)
Some of these figures being bandied around are ridiculous! 10million for Jonny H? Gary Cahill cost & million with only 6 months on his contract. Baines, arguably the best left back in the PL 10 million? Arteta went for that, and he was in no where near the form Baines has been in.
I do however believe that Fellenni isnt worth much more than 20 million. which is fair enough, as we only signed him for 15 million! 25% increase in value over a couple of years! anyone elses business show those sort of figures?
As for jimmy spouting off that Moyes sold for under market value, the only example could be Yakubu, as Some muppets agreed to pay 3 million for beckford, and 10 million for arteta (bearing in mind he actually wanted to leave) seems pretty good business to me.And lets face it, there wasnt a list of teams after the Yak. West ham didnt value him at much more the season before.
I do however believe that Fellenni isnt worth much more than 20 million. which is fair enough, as we only signed him for 15 million! 25% increase in value over a couple of years! anyone elses business show those sort of figures?
As for jimmy spouting off that Moyes sold for under market value, the only example could be Yakubu, as Some muppets agreed to pay 3 million for beckford, and 10 million for arteta (bearing in mind he actually wanted to leave) seems pretty good business to me.And lets face it, there wasnt a list of teams after the Yak. West ham didnt value him at much more the season before.
It's not all about huge transfer fees. As some in above posts have pointed out the likes of Cahill, Neville etc are on £50k a week contracts. Same as Saha was on £65k! Drenthe is on a hefty wage so that is at least one trimmed off.
The likes of Rodellaga, Hoilett etc are available on frees so cutting our wage bill could be key to making some shrewd additions.
£20m plus bids for anyone will be accepted though thats just the reality we have to get used to. Anybody can be replaced it's not as if we have any messi's!
The likes of Rodellaga, Hoilett etc are available on frees so cutting our wage bill could be key to making some shrewd additions.
£20m plus bids for anyone will be accepted though thats just the reality we have to get used to. Anybody can be replaced it's not as if we have any messi's!
Forgot about Rodellega in my earlier post. I guess he would come under wheeler dealing as cover for Jelavic.
We could take some forward steps with our squad for next year without losing any first team regulars, put some cash in the bank and trim the wage bill.
We could take some forward steps with our squad for next year without losing any first team regulars, put some cash in the bank and trim the wage bill.
Shane,
You're right of course. The Berbatovs and Johnsons would earn far more than our players earn.
Moyes has to think outside the box. We all know what will happen to any funds raised by selling our players, so why not swap them?
Moyes: "Yes Alex, you CAN have Jack Rodwell, all you need to do is give me Berbatov PLUS..." whatever the difference in wages would be over say three seasons.
Or "... of course Jagielka is available, Mr Mancini, that`ll cost you one Adam Johnson PLUS..."
We do have a few players rich clubs want and they may well be prepared to swap players who are surplus to requirement sin order to get them. The players I spoke about are merely examples; there are dozens of players out there, surely some of them would trade a career on a Sky 6 bench, for regular first team Premier League football?
If we have to let players go, let it be players we have cover for and only in exchange for players who can actually strengthen other areas of our squad.
It's the Chairman's responsibility to raise the money to pay our debts, not the manager's.
You're right of course. The Berbatovs and Johnsons would earn far more than our players earn.
Moyes has to think outside the box. We all know what will happen to any funds raised by selling our players, so why not swap them?
Moyes: "Yes Alex, you CAN have Jack Rodwell, all you need to do is give me Berbatov PLUS..." whatever the difference in wages would be over say three seasons.
Or "... of course Jagielka is available, Mr Mancini, that`ll cost you one Adam Johnson PLUS..."
We do have a few players rich clubs want and they may well be prepared to swap players who are surplus to requirement sin order to get them. The players I spoke about are merely examples; there are dozens of players out there, surely some of them would trade a career on a Sky 6 bench, for regular first team Premier League football?
If we have to let players go, let it be players we have cover for and only in exchange for players who can actually strengthen other areas of our squad.
It's the Chairman's responsibility to raise the money to pay our debts, not the manager's.
This whole post is old news essentially as it was debated a few weeks ago.
The pie-in-the-sky ideas of Richard (#939) amuse me: Just sell all of the seasoned professionals. Sell the captain, vice captain, a player from the academy who has played 300 times, and one of our best buys ever for 15 million! I am all for being realistic, but that is essentially the heartbeat of the team, players who all embody the Everton philosophy for nothing!
Football is increasingly about more than simply what is on the pitch. These players, albeit in the autumn of their careers, are needed in all teams to glue everything together; otherwise you are just a team of mercenaries.
Would United sell Giggs for any price? Would they fuck! I think Richard Reeves is totally delusional and should be sold to LFC for a few magic beans.
The pie-in-the-sky ideas of Richard (#939) amuse me: Just sell all of the seasoned professionals. Sell the captain, vice captain, a player from the academy who has played 300 times, and one of our best buys ever for 15 million! I am all for being realistic, but that is essentially the heartbeat of the team, players who all embody the Everton philosophy for nothing!
Football is increasingly about more than simply what is on the pitch. These players, albeit in the autumn of their careers, are needed in all teams to glue everything together; otherwise you are just a team of mercenaries.
Would United sell Giggs for any price? Would they fuck! I think Richard Reeves is totally delusional and should be sold to LFC for a few magic beans.
Dave Wilson, spot on. I think this approach would suit everybody as with the exception of Man City, I don't think many clubs will be looking to throw around big lumps of cash.
The fair paly rules or whatever they're called are going to be kicking in soon and anything that will help clubs to trim things down to what they should be will be looked at. It would suit the likes of Utd to offload players to trim their wage bill, get rid of fringe players from their squad and so on.
The idea of only getting in players in areas that we need to cover is an obvious one but doesn't get said often enough. We need to be very focused on how we spned such limited resources.
The fair paly rules or whatever they're called are going to be kicking in soon and anything that will help clubs to trim things down to what they should be will be looked at. It would suit the likes of Utd to offload players to trim their wage bill, get rid of fringe players from their squad and so on.
The idea of only getting in players in areas that we need to cover is an obvious one but doesn't get said often enough. We need to be very focused on how we spned such limited resources.
Coleman isn't a winger and apparently isn't going to get a run at right back and so he could go. If we were lucky (really lucky), I could see someone like Stoke coming in for him at around £5mil.
Anichebe could (again with a bit of luck) fetch £2 - 3 mil, and surely we can finally get rid of Yobo for £1 - 2 mil.
There is admittedly going to have to be a big shift in the luck department for that to happen.
Sell no one else. Fellaini, Baines, Heitinga and Jelavic are top class.
Jags, Distin, Gibson, Rodwell are top 8 players.
Osman, Hibbert, Cahill and Neville are good squad players.
Barkley, Gueye and Vellios are high potentials.
We need to sign Pienaar and a right winger and try to pick up a few Bosman squad additions.
Anichebe could (again with a bit of luck) fetch £2 - 3 mil, and surely we can finally get rid of Yobo for £1 - 2 mil.
There is admittedly going to have to be a big shift in the luck department for that to happen.
Sell no one else. Fellaini, Baines, Heitinga and Jelavic are top class.
Jags, Distin, Gibson, Rodwell are top 8 players.
Osman, Hibbert, Cahill and Neville are good squad players.
Barkley, Gueye and Vellios are high potentials.
We need to sign Pienaar and a right winger and try to pick up a few Bosman squad additions.
Richard Reeves (#939), I wish Moyes would sell those players you've mentioned to recruit better. There's quite a few out there now and I know they would be absolutely made up to wear Royal Blue and Improve their skills in the process: Hoilett, Moses, Diam, there's lots who would be at least interested and I'm sure they would make the step but I feel loyalty is playing a big part as to how the current outgoing candidates are actually still here??
They don't do it for me; also if McFadden get's a contract and none of the others leave, I'll be staying away from Goodison til the problem is resolved.
They don't do it for me; also if McFadden get's a contract and none of the others leave, I'll be staying away from Goodison til the problem is resolved.
Mark 141
Those players embody Moyes's philosophy,school of science they are not.
Those players embody Moyes's philosophy,school of science they are not.
Jagielka (£10m) Rodwell (£10m) and Anichebe (£2m).
Jags hasn't been the same since his injury for me, Rodwell hasn't fulfilled his potential and Anichebe is....well....Anichebe.
Jags hasn't been the same since his injury for me, Rodwell hasn't fulfilled his potential and Anichebe is....well....Anichebe.
Mark Pierpoint, the players that you claim are the glue which holds the team together have, erm.... well, become super-glued in the team which in turn has prevented other players from getting games ? players that even when in form have been dropped for these five players. Every one of the players I mention have taken the place of someone in form and we all know it's because Moyes has his favourites.They are slowing down progression.
I could understand if they were quality players at the end of their carreers who have still retained a lot of what made them good in the first place (which is hard to replace)... but they aren't but what do I know hey, I'm delusional.
Maybe you should think a little bit more before going on your little voice of reason/name calling speech... I mean, comparing Ryan Giggs to the players I've mentioned, and you think I'm delusional.
As for the LFC insult, that's just to far, how about ending with something like, Your mother's so fat...
I could understand if they were quality players at the end of their carreers who have still retained a lot of what made them good in the first place (which is hard to replace)... but they aren't but what do I know hey, I'm delusional.
Maybe you should think a little bit more before going on your little voice of reason/name calling speech... I mean, comparing Ryan Giggs to the players I've mentioned, and you think I'm delusional.
As for the LFC insult, that's just to far, how about ending with something like, Your mother's so fat...
It's absolutely hilarious seeing people on here list the players they think are not good enough for Everton then putting monopoly money values on them. Cognitive dissonance anyone???
What is also hilarious is the posters who think that somehow Dire Davey Boy can decide who he sells and who he buys. Wake up guys ? the BANK decides who will go depending on how much they want and Davey and Billy Liar both toe the line and make it happen.
If it's only a few million, a couple of fringe and over-the-hill players will do. If it's big bucks, then one or two of the star performers will have to go with the usual last-minute 'loaners' replacing them.
If it's only a few million, a couple of fringe and over-the-hill players will do. If it's big bucks, then one or two of the star performers will have to go with the usual last-minute 'loaners' replacing them.
Peter, I find it hilarious that you've got so wound up about it.
The discussion is a hypothetical one and as such, people are allowed to say what they would do. People aren't claiming this as fact, merely there own opinions, without such opinions, football wouldn't be what it is.
We all know the situation at the football club lad, but there's no harm in having a discussion about what we'd do, who we'd sell to raise funds etc.
Just so I can get this straight, you're valuing a couple of fringe players/over the hill players at a few million? Hilarious!
The discussion is a hypothetical one and as such, people are allowed to say what they would do. People aren't claiming this as fact, merely there own opinions, without such opinions, football wouldn't be what it is.
We all know the situation at the football club lad, but there's no harm in having a discussion about what we'd do, who we'd sell to raise funds etc.
Just so I can get this straight, you're valuing a couple of fringe players/over the hill players at a few million? Hilarious!
Just to note, Hoilett is not available on a free to English clubs - they will have to pay compensation....foreign clubs will not. I think we can forget him.
In terms of who goes, I think the personality of the player is pretty key here, and Baines and Jags are two players that will not force or even encourage a move. Both Fellaini and Heitinga could if a UCL team comes in for either. Convincing Felli to sign a new contract was key - this summer would not have been pleasant had he not, but I feel both of them would be easier to replace than Baines for example. LB's are at a premium and we would have major difficulties replacing him.
In terms of who goes, I think the personality of the player is pretty key here, and Baines and Jags are two players that will not force or even encourage a move. Both Fellaini and Heitinga could if a UCL team comes in for either. Convincing Felli to sign a new contract was key - this summer would not have been pleasant had he not, but I feel both of them would be easier to replace than Baines for example. LB's are at a premium and we would have major difficulties replacing him.
who should we sell...
Jagielka....Rodwell...Anichebe....Coleman
Jagielka....Rodwell...Anichebe....Coleman
We should sell nobody! Our squad isn't big enough as it is! Just look at our bench in the semi-final! We had no-one who could change the game. We had two right-backs on the bench ? they had Bellamy and Kuyt; we had Hibbert and Coleman
If we start selling our best players like Baines, Fellaini, Heitinga and Jagielka, and raise say £40M, of which I would say £25M or £30M goes to the bank and after every one has had their cut, Moyes would be left with about £5M to £8M to replace them. That's why we should resist all offers to buy them because, if we don't, it's going to be a long hard season for us to survive. COYB
Victor takes another bashing.
Despite being plagued again this season, his goals against Wigan, Baggies (twice) and Villa probably netted Everton 8 points.
We could have been going into the last game of the season fighting to finish above Stoke, Norwich, Swansea, and Sunderland, but Vics goals have helped make 7th place extremely likely.
People bang on about the twenty grand a week he earns, but with the Premiership paying around 800k per place, the chances are he`s already paid for his wages for the next three seasons, its a bit like when he was scoring goals in Europe earning a grand a week.
If you want to trim the wage bill look no further than captain Marvel and the Aussie "Legend" .
Fuck those two off (anywhere) and not only would we be a better footballing side, we would be 7m quid a year better off AND people like me wouldn't feel so sick parting with their hard earned to wOatch these two jokers masquerading as footballers.
When are people going to stop worrying about fringe players and start worrying about our REAL problems.
Despite being plagued again this season, his goals against Wigan, Baggies (twice) and Villa probably netted Everton 8 points.
We could have been going into the last game of the season fighting to finish above Stoke, Norwich, Swansea, and Sunderland, but Vics goals have helped make 7th place extremely likely.
People bang on about the twenty grand a week he earns, but with the Premiership paying around 800k per place, the chances are he`s already paid for his wages for the next three seasons, its a bit like when he was scoring goals in Europe earning a grand a week.
If you want to trim the wage bill look no further than captain Marvel and the Aussie "Legend" .
Fuck those two off (anywhere) and not only would we be a better footballing side, we would be 7m quid a year better off AND people like me wouldn't feel so sick parting with their hard earned to wOatch these two jokers masquerading as footballers.
When are people going to stop worrying about fringe players and start worrying about our REAL problems.
I was probably a bit over the top Richard with the LFC comment. For what it is worth i think you have made your point well. All for progression, but i would steer away from selling all of the core, regardless of whatever alue they have on the pitch. Look at Chelsea and Villas Boas- not the way
Another thread that makes me really appreciate the guy who actually is in charge, rather than some of the crazy ideas I've read here.
Copies of Football Manager 2012 all round and warm fuzzy feelings towards our beacon of stability, Davey Moyes.
Copies of Football Manager 2012 all round and warm fuzzy feelings towards our beacon of stability, Davey Moyes.
Well said, Dave Wilson.
Dave (358) - Fair enough on Vic. I'm wondering at this point in his long career at EFC if maybe it won't happen for him with us. I'd prefer you're right about him. Who knows?
And the other 2 gone? Fine by me.
And the other 2 gone? Fine by me.
John Crook (#960) makes a good point about Yobo. No senior player should be on loan at the same club for 2 years, especially when his parent club needs the funds.
James Martin, like what Eugene said. It's because those players are on the team sheet every week that we want them to go. It's not just the squad that gets refreshed with new faces, it's the fans too.
James Martin, like what Eugene said. It's because those players are on the team sheet every week that we want them to go. It's not just the squad that gets refreshed with new faces, it's the fans too.
Yobo, Howard, Anichebe, Cahill... and then someone who can raise £15m plus in fees. In all honesty, though I'd love him to stay, I can't see Fellaini staying.
Reluctently I would sell: (1) Baines £15-18m; (2) Fellaini £ 22m+; (3) Heitinga £7- 9m.
Definitely sell Rodwell £8-12m; Cahill £2-3m; Big Vic £2m. And let go for free: Silva, Mucha, and +3-4 others.
Definitely sell Rodwell £8-12m; Cahill £2-3m; Big Vic £2m. And let go for free: Silva, Mucha, and +3-4 others.
Realistically, Neville et al have no resale value but their wages off the books would be a big chunk of the £5/10m we need to raise.
I gather Nev, Cahill, McFadden, Distin and plenty others are at the end of their contracts; I've said it before and I'll say it again, EFC cannot sustain big wages for players with no resale value so some have to go... Not Distin, I hope.
I suspect Moyes will suspend renegotiating contracts until horse trading is complete... Hence the 'early business' messages coming from him in the press.
I gather Nev, Cahill, McFadden, Distin and plenty others are at the end of their contracts; I've said it before and I'll say it again, EFC cannot sustain big wages for players with no resale value so some have to go... Not Distin, I hope.
I suspect Moyes will suspend renegotiating contracts until horse trading is complete... Hence the 'early business' messages coming from him in the press.
I think we will have too sell some fringe players to improve the squad. Unfortunately that's a fact and is unlikely to change as if we do eventually get a sugar daddy we will be banned from Europe for spending to much
I know this is football manager stuff but I would like to sign pienaar, Donovan and hoilett. Would also be good to keep straq
Team for next season
Howard
Coleman, Heitinga, Duffy, Baines
Roswell, Gibson, Fellaini
Donovan, Pienaar
Jelavic
Subs
Mucha
Distin, Hibbert, Neville
Gueye, Barkley, Hoilett,
Straq,
For the rest rely on some youngsters
I know this is football manager stuff but I would like to sign pienaar, Donovan and hoilett. Would also be good to keep straq
Team for next season
Howard
Coleman, Heitinga, Duffy, Baines
Roswell, Gibson, Fellaini
Donovan, Pienaar
Jelavic
Subs
Mucha
Distin, Hibbert, Neville
Gueye, Barkley, Hoilett,
Straq,
For the rest rely on some youngsters
Who could we sell?
Howard $3million
Jags $4million
Heitinga $5million
Anichebe $500,000
Rodwell $2.5 million due to injuries
Jelacevic $8million
Fellaini $8million
Cahill $500,000
Neville $free transfer
Distin $free transfer
Coleman $900,000
And here we are trying to sell when we haven't even replaced the loanees such as Pienaar and Straq who are about to leave.
Howard $3million
Jags $4million
Heitinga $5million
Anichebe $500,000
Rodwell $2.5 million due to injuries
Jelacevic $8million
Fellaini $8million
Cahill $500,000
Neville $free transfer
Distin $free transfer
Coleman $900,000
And here we are trying to sell when we haven't even replaced the loanees such as Pienaar and Straq who are about to leave.
Why are we working in dollars? This is England
The dollars made the prices seem higher.
Dreaming a bit like but I'd love to us to get Adam Johnson to play on the right wing... imagine having his pace and shooting ability; I'm sure Moyes would get the best out of him.
To make funds, I'd sell Rodwell I don't think he's ever going to be a great Everton player I don't think he's improved enough; although he has a good engine and covers more ground, I already think Gibson is making a better impact on the team than he does. Sorry, Jack, I'd love you to be our Frank Lampard but just don't think you've got the natural ability required.
To make funds, I'd sell Rodwell I don't think he's ever going to be a great Everton player I don't think he's improved enough; although he has a good engine and covers more ground, I already think Gibson is making a better impact on the team than he does. Sorry, Jack, I'd love you to be our Frank Lampard but just don't think you've got the natural ability required.
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1) Baines: 80%
2) Fellaini: 60%
3) Heitinga: 50%
Had Jageilka not been injured I would have had him ahead of Jonny.
Hopefully the banks give Moyes half of any sale revenue to reinvest.