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Pienaar
75 Comments: A thought occured to me the other day that if a club was going to take someone on loan with a view to buy, wouldn't you agree a fee on the proviso that it worked out with the club?
I would hazard a gues that the deal has already been agreed. What are your thoughts?
Michael Mcloughlin, Posted 17/05/2012 at 18:43:58
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Pienaar's "emotional post-game interview" suggests an exit is inevitable. He talked about the fact that he didn't get chance to say goodbye last time and that he was pleased to have another opportunity to do so. It's sad, but I think somebody with more money than us will snap him up. And it seems he already knows which team that will be.
I would have thought if a fee had been agreed then we would already know, Just to encourage new season ticket sales,
Also I am sure that if a deal had been agreed the press would not be reporting Sunderlands interest in the player.
Also I am sure that if a deal had been agreed the press would not be reporting Sunderlands interest in the player.
What date does the window open?If a price was already in place and we had the money then it would have all been sorted out in February if there was no time in January.
I agree with Paul (790), I am afraid he is off.....
Someone jog my memory, whats the score with Saha at Spurs? Was that not a loan till end of the season?
Can we not use that in some kind of deal?
Someone jog my memory, whats the score with Saha at Spurs? Was that not a loan till end of the season?
Can we not use that in some kind of deal?
I have to agree with Paul Foster. His interview was worrying. If we didn't agree a few with Spurs at the time that was a very stupid mistake.
Everyone knew he would fit in well here and raise his profile again. Needs to be signed at all costs
Everyone knew he would fit in well here and raise his profile again. Needs to be signed at all costs
I think Saha went on a free. Easy to say not agreeing a fee with Spurs was stupid ... it takes two parties to agree a fee. You can't assume Spurs were amenable.
Saha did go on a free so how could he have time to sort out his new contract with Spurs while there was enough time to sort out a fee with Pienaar.
Having a fee agreed in advance usually benefits the buying club more so I think Spurs didnt want an agreed fee in place,knowing that Pienaar would play every game for us puts him in the shop window and his performances will push the price up that clubs like Sunderland and QPR will be willing to pay.
Having a fee agreed in advance usually benefits the buying club more so I think Spurs didnt want an agreed fee in place,knowing that Pienaar would play every game for us puts him in the shop window and his performances will push the price up that clubs like Sunderland and QPR will be willing to pay.
Paul, Saha's move was initiated much earlier in the day so there was plenty of time to hammer out the details.
The Pienaar deal happened right at 11th hour and only beat the deadline by the slimmest of margins.
It also wouldn't surprise me if any permanent move to us was delayed until later in the summer so that we save on the wages. The Club's used that cost-saving tactic in the past and, given our financial position, it makes a lot of sense.
The Pienaar deal happened right at 11th hour and only beat the deadline by the slimmest of margins.
It also wouldn't surprise me if any permanent move to us was delayed until later in the summer so that we save on the wages. The Club's used that cost-saving tactic in the past and, given our financial position, it makes a lot of sense.
It's Everton ? of course they didn't sort anything out!
Should have originally sold him for around £15 million, ended up getting 1/5th of that and now he's worth about £15 million again!!
Should have originally sold him for around £15 million, ended up getting 1/5th of that and now he's worth about £15 million again!!
Lyndon
Does that mean the two deals were not dependent on each other and Saha was leaving regardless?
Does that mean the two deals were not dependent on each other and Saha was leaving regardless?
What if Spurs want rid but Pienaar says he only wants go home to Everton? Surely the player calls the shots and can't be forced in to a move he doesn't realy want.
There is the money side of things but he went to Spurs for money and look what happened there. It's only a thought but maybe Pienaar could dig his heels in?
There is the money side of things but he went to Spurs for money and look what happened there. It's only a thought but maybe Pienaar could dig his heels in?
Paul: "...Saha was leaving regardless."
That is my understanding. Maybe one deal helped grease the wheels of the other because the Saha deal wasn't concluded until late in the day as well but I think Louis would have gone anyway.
Tony: "What if Spurs want rid but Pienaar says he only wants go home to Everton?"
He could but if (and I'm not lending the reports any credence here, just speaking hypothetically) Sunderland were to offer £5m and we only offer £2.5m, then he'd be faced with digging his heels and not getting a game at Spurs or moving to their preferred buyer and at least playing first-team football.
I cannot see Everton paying £5m for a 30 year-old given that we have no money...
That is my understanding. Maybe one deal helped grease the wheels of the other because the Saha deal wasn't concluded until late in the day as well but I think Louis would have gone anyway.
Tony: "What if Spurs want rid but Pienaar says he only wants go home to Everton?"
He could but if (and I'm not lending the reports any credence here, just speaking hypothetically) Sunderland were to offer £5m and we only offer £2.5m, then he'd be faced with digging his heels and not getting a game at Spurs or moving to their preferred buyer and at least playing first-team football.
I cannot see Everton paying £5m for a 30 year-old given that we have no money...
Yeah I think Pienaar told Harry at about 9:40 after their game that night that he wanted to come back and only for Bill (ha) we wouldn't have got him. I doubt there's anything agreed.
Always thought Moyes let Saha go because Pienaar was coming the other way.
Why wouldn't spurs insist on the clause? Why would they want him back, in the same way corluka ain't going back after his comments.
Ian
Just because theres a clause,say for £5m that doesnt mean we have to bid for him or even offer that much.I dont really see any benefit for the selling club to have a buy out clause?
Just because theres a clause,say for £5m that doesnt mean we have to bid for him or even offer that much.I dont really see any benefit for the selling club to have a buy out clause?
Paul - indeed refer yobo.
The benefit for the selling club is that they are nearer to selling an older player they don't want back.
The benefit for the selling club is that they are nearer to selling an older player they don't want back.
Ian
Only if the buying still wants the player for that price, the Yobo situation shows the agreed price don't mean shit if the buying club don't want to play ball.
Let's say Pienaar had a buy out clause and by the end of the season he proved that the fee agreed was too little, well Spurs would have no choice but to accept the bid even though they know they could sell for more to another club.
Only if the buying still wants the player for that price, the Yobo situation shows the agreed price don't mean shit if the buying club don't want to play ball.
Let's say Pienaar had a buy out clause and by the end of the season he proved that the fee agreed was too little, well Spurs would have no choice but to accept the bid even though they know they could sell for more to another club.
It's all well and good saying we want him back, but it doesn't disguise the fact that it was he who chose to leave. He's realised (like others) that grass isn't greener elsewhere and Baines makes him a much better player.
I would have him back because he is creative but we should be blooding fresh talent or searching for better and moving on
I would have him back because he is creative but we should be blooding fresh talent or searching for better and moving on
Paul - I would say yobo is the exception that proves the rule.
The Turks, the Italian club (matterazzi) are a little different to premierships clubs. I would think agreements would stand up better here than abroad
The Turks, the Italian club (matterazzi) are a little different to premierships clubs. I would think agreements would stand up better here than abroad
As I understand it Saha was on contract with us until the end of the season so I can only assume they let him go on a free on the understanding we got Pienaar on loan until the end of the season.
Since we have had better form than Spurs since then you can only asume Appy Arry might want to keep Pienaar whose wages we would struggle with anyway.
Our club is so shortsighted. If we would have given him a reasonable increase originally he would now be on a 5 year contract with us and worth over 10 million.
Since we have had better form than Spurs since then you can only asume Appy Arry might want to keep Pienaar whose wages we would struggle with anyway.
Our club is so shortsighted. If we would have given him a reasonable increase originally he would now be on a 5 year contract with us and worth over 10 million.
Pienaar left us once for more money; he will probably do the same again given a chance.
There are so many aspects to consider with Pienaar. In his last season or so, he was hardly a world beater and his goal return should have been higher. Many, like myself, thought Baines was making him look good.
But I also think having Arteta in the side might have been a factor. All the creativity went through him, he was the one always given the ball, taking the set pieces etc. (I'm not saying he was particularly good at them however) so perhaps we weren't seeing the best of Pienaar.
The Everton he returned to suited him. He was fresh and keen to impress, Baines was in the form of his life and Arteta was no longer about so he could be the main creative outlet. If we do get him back, he has to be made the main man in midfield in terms of creativity and he can complement Fellaini who is our midfield general. However, to do this, we might need to give him the deal he once demanded.
But I also think having Arteta in the side might have been a factor. All the creativity went through him, he was the one always given the ball, taking the set pieces etc. (I'm not saying he was particularly good at them however) so perhaps we weren't seeing the best of Pienaar.
The Everton he returned to suited him. He was fresh and keen to impress, Baines was in the form of his life and Arteta was no longer about so he could be the main creative outlet. If we do get him back, he has to be made the main man in midfield in terms of creativity and he can complement Fellaini who is our midfield general. However, to do this, we might need to give him the deal he once demanded.
I get the feeling from his interview that he knows something - I suspect that Everton have told him that they wont match his reported £75k salary but would like to bring him back to Goodison provided he drops his demands.
I suspect he'll wait and see what happens re CL and Spurs and also whether the likes of Modric, Bale etc are still around .
I suspect he'll wait and see what happens re CL and Spurs and also whether the likes of Modric, Bale etc are still around .
Mike - do you really think the tears were because everton are £5k short a week?
If Modric, Bale et al leave then Spurs may not want to sell Pienaar and instead may make him a key midfielder.
Chris - if they leave Harry will have a spendathon.
Ian, fair point, but I still think we should do a straight swap- Anichebe for Modric!!!!!!
Another ITK who works for the Spurs setup (legal dept i think) who is an Everton supporter and posts on another forum reckons that 6M was the deal agreed in Jan.
He states that things are moving along but payment plan was the sticking point. He fully believes he wil be ours by the end of June. He is usually spot on with Spurs info and it was he who broke the news that Spurs had hijacked the Kyle Naughton deal at the time
He states that things are moving along but payment plan was the sticking point. He fully believes he wil be ours by the end of June. He is usually spot on with Spurs info and it was he who broke the news that Spurs had hijacked the Kyle Naughton deal at the time
@ Christopher Brierley
Shame this guy wasn't working there in 1994 when we bought Vinny Samways. Prior warning would have meant a mass demonstration against the move.
Shame this guy wasn't working there in 1994 when we bought Vinny Samways. Prior warning would have meant a mass demonstration against the move.
Vinny Samways... now there's a name I was trying to erase from the memory bank!
I want him to stay. But he stays or goes, get it done as soon as the window opens.
As far as Stevie going to the highest bidder? God knows how many mouths he's feeding in his SA township. Can't blame him for looking at the highest wages as his career is heading towards the downward slope.
One way or the other, Kenright, make a decision. Just get it done right away.
As far as Stevie going to the highest bidder? God knows how many mouths he's feeding in his SA township. Can't blame him for looking at the highest wages as his career is heading towards the downward slope.
One way or the other, Kenright, make a decision. Just get it done right away.
Lyndon, maybe there was no time before the signing on deadline to discuss and agree a fee but does it have to be included in the loan deal registration? What if the clubs agree a fee the next day? Or a month later? I'm sure the legal bods would be able to tie up something binding for the summer (although after the Gosling and Fernandes debacles I'm not so sure).
This Pienaar deal is turning into a money question as I suspected.
So, at 30 years old and growing fast how can we as a club pay 5 million or more for him, when we only paid 3, plus he is older now.
To me this is a joke.
A deal should have been agreed before.
Now we are left desperate for creative players, and it will only get worse because we are ALSO losing Drenthe!
This is serious, how the hell are we going to create goals without Pienaar or in worse case Drenthe?
We can not afford to think about feelings here, the only question relevant is who is gonna create the goals when we lose Pienaar? Drenthe then becomes an alternative again, just like he did before this season started.
I really do not mind keeping Drenthe, as then we at least have ONE creative winger, who is also free of charge.
IF we get Pienaar then we are in a luxury position, but UNTIL we do then we are in the EXACT same position we were before this season started, in fact even more deperate because we now know we have a decent striker, but we are ONLY missing that creative winger.
So, at 30 years old and growing fast how can we as a club pay 5 million or more for him, when we only paid 3, plus he is older now.
To me this is a joke.
A deal should have been agreed before.
Now we are left desperate for creative players, and it will only get worse because we are ALSO losing Drenthe!
This is serious, how the hell are we going to create goals without Pienaar or in worse case Drenthe?
We can not afford to think about feelings here, the only question relevant is who is gonna create the goals when we lose Pienaar? Drenthe then becomes an alternative again, just like he did before this season started.
I really do not mind keeping Drenthe, as then we at least have ONE creative winger, who is also free of charge.
IF we get Pienaar then we are in a luxury position, but UNTIL we do then we are in the EXACT same position we were before this season started, in fact even more deperate because we now know we have a decent striker, but we are ONLY missing that creative winger.
Jimmy, please shut the fuck up about Drenthe, he is a piss head that fucked us about, the same way he did with his previous two clubs.
The fella is a fucking waster and you are championing him as if he is some kind of demi-god. (look what you have made me do now, I usually don't like swearing on this board)
As in the other post about Pienaar, the lad who speaks to someone in the know (I know, I hate these rumours too, but he has some credibility with me) suggest that Pienaar has prettty much told Old Arry that if he doesn't let him go, he will be on the first plane back to South Africa.
The sticking point is the money they want, not the wages.
The other rumour is that Moyes has had a falling out with Jags. Hmmm
The fella is a fucking waster and you are championing him as if he is some kind of demi-god. (look what you have made me do now, I usually don't like swearing on this board)
As in the other post about Pienaar, the lad who speaks to someone in the know (I know, I hate these rumours too, but he has some credibility with me) suggest that Pienaar has prettty much told Old Arry that if he doesn't let him go, he will be on the first plane back to South Africa.
The sticking point is the money they want, not the wages.
The other rumour is that Moyes has had a falling out with Jags. Hmmm
Drenthe is gone, he did nothing for us ,
Apart from a few super sub 15 minute spells.
His attitude and off field conduct are not what we want at Everton FC
Apart from a few super sub 15 minute spells.
His attitude and off field conduct are not what we want at Everton FC
I've been with you Jimmy the whole time, we don't have any wingers on our books who have a wicked shot and pace to burn. Drenthe is extremely talented, and although we were successful without him he is the type of player we lack. We have no depth in the squad, sure, he messed up, but I think this time it would have got to him.
I know Pienaar is a better alternative, but I really think 5mil is too much for a player who will only be good for us for another 2 seasons. Drenthe is free and has the potential to be better. It won't happen though. Still we truly need one of these players but 5mil is ridiculous.
I know Pienaar is a better alternative, but I really think 5mil is too much for a player who will only be good for us for another 2 seasons. Drenthe is free and has the potential to be better. It won't happen though. Still we truly need one of these players but 5mil is ridiculous.
Just because Pienaar was sold for "only" £3m that doesnt mean that that is the price he is now worth to us!
As I recall his contract was running down so its highly unlikely that even Harry would offer top dollar.
He now has a full contract at Spurs so if we want him we have to pay the going rate.
I would be happy if we paid +/- £5m for him as our main outlay this summer with no-one leaving!
As I recall his contract was running down so its highly unlikely that even Harry would offer top dollar.
He now has a full contract at Spurs so if we want him we have to pay the going rate.
I would be happy if we paid +/- £5m for him as our main outlay this summer with no-one leaving!
Ryan, if it never got to Drenthe at Real Madrid why would it with us? the lad is a first degree prick and we dont have the finanaces and the time to wait for someone to gel or get their head together, Pienaar brings instant class and knows the system.
Amen Mark, some sense at last.
He is worth a hell of a lot more than £3m to Everton and Spurs know this.
"he messed up, but I think this time it would have got to him" - how so Ryan? If arguably the best manager of the world kicked him out of Real, what makes you think Moyes could have turned him?
He is worth a hell of a lot more than £3m to Everton and Spurs know this.
"he messed up, but I think this time it would have got to him" - how so Ryan? If arguably the best manager of the world kicked him out of Real, what makes you think Moyes could have turned him?
Moyes is a stern one, I truly believe Drenthe would have be devastated watching our success during the last quarter of the season.
I can understand where you are all coming from, but it's not like Pienaar is a saint! Drink-driving? Not saying I wouldn't take him. I would take both of them if I could, I just think Drenthe is a better option, and should have another chance.
I can understand where you are all coming from, but it's not like Pienaar is a saint! Drink-driving? Not saying I wouldn't take him. I would take both of them if I could, I just think Drenthe is a better option, and should have another chance.
Wouldnt it be great if you could customise these contracts;
"Ok Royston, We`ll give you 65k a week, but nothing at all if you screw up off the pitch.
Or "Yes, Tim we`ll pay you 60k a week, but if you are beaten from outside the box because you were in a coma . .you get Zilch"
Or how about "sign here Jags, 75K a week, but everytime you aimlessly boot the ball down the pitch, YOU owe US £xxx. "
We would only have to pay Moyes from January till May
"Ok Royston, We`ll give you 65k a week, but nothing at all if you screw up off the pitch.
Or "Yes, Tim we`ll pay you 60k a week, but if you are beaten from outside the box because you were in a coma . .you get Zilch"
Or how about "sign here Jags, 75K a week, but everytime you aimlessly boot the ball down the pitch, YOU owe US £xxx. "
We would only have to pay Moyes from January till May
Love it Dave Wilson.
Another ITK who is a friend of Pienaar(Which I know to be true as I've seen them out together) has told me that he's not on anything like big money at Spurs and won't be looking for much different to come back.
The sticking point as always is how we pay.
He reckons the move will go through a week or two before the player report back for training.
The sticking point as always is how we pay.
He reckons the move will go through a week or two before the player report back for training.
Good news Stephen! Being silly season now I have no reason not to believe.. so I choose to.
I reckon we will get him back for no more than we paid.. I don't think Moyes could stomach that.
Just wanted to point out that from my memory almost none of our transfers have ended quickly with an agreed fee paid out. There always seems to be some negotiation at the end.. its the Everton way.
The only one I think I remember going simply was Tim Howard.
I reckon we will get him back for no more than we paid.. I don't think Moyes could stomach that.
Just wanted to point out that from my memory almost none of our transfers have ended quickly with an agreed fee paid out. There always seems to be some negotiation at the end.. its the Everton way.
The only one I think I remember going simply was Tim Howard.
I had a dream last night that Pienaar was signed up by Chelsea!!
God I hate the summer. Role on August and the start of the season
God I hate the summer. Role on August and the start of the season
For us to sign Stevie P permanently, do you know we will have to sell someone first? It's as simple as that. Are you prepared to sacrifice Baines, Fellani or Rodwell for a 30 year old Pienaar?
To anyone who thinks that Pienaar is to expensive at £5m I ask you the following question. If Pienaar hadn't arrived in January where do you think we'd have finished this season? My guess is somewhere around 10th place so that's about £2-3m in prize money. His transfer fee suddenly looks a bit more reasonable...
I've every faith that Moyes could probably find someone cheaper and younger given enough time. In the mean time, we know Pienaar works, will improve the team and has at last started chipping in with more goals. Yeah he's 30 but there's a good few years left in him yet as pace has never been what he's all about.
I've every faith that Moyes could probably find someone cheaper and younger given enough time. In the mean time, we know Pienaar works, will improve the team and has at last started chipping in with more goals. Yeah he's 30 but there's a good few years left in him yet as pace has never been what he's all about.
Tom Owen - I'd sell Rodwell in a heartbeat if it could fund Pienaar. Only one of those two has improves the team when they play.
(hint: It's not Rodwell)
(hint: It's not Rodwell)
If we buy Pienaar, do we get a sell-on fee from Spurs?
Anthony #942
"Role on August and the start of the season"
I thought the season started in January...
"Role on August and the start of the season"
I thought the season started in January...
All Steve need to do is go up to Harry, Bang the table and tell him in the face that he want to go Home........ Then again will he want to pay cut to come back..... Well your guess is as good as mine.....:p
"at 30 years old and growing fast"
Growing fast? I'm sure that's one bit of criticism Pienaar has to face all the time. "Bloody hell our Stephen, you're getting so big you've nearly grown out of those He-Man pyjamas I bought you when you were eight." etc.
Did you mean ageing fast? If so, how is he ageing quicker than anyone else? He's 30 and a veritable bundle of energy going off the evidence of his displays since January. It's not like he's on his last legs is it? I'd also back him to outrun, outwork and outfight Drenthe any day of the week, despite the fact he's the elder of the two and doesn't have a one man cult championing him on here at every opportunity ( before streaking naked into the night, slaughtering goats, smearing himself in blood and beseeching Satan to "make Moyes sign him up").
Growing fast? I'm sure that's one bit of criticism Pienaar has to face all the time. "Bloody hell our Stephen, you're getting so big you've nearly grown out of those He-Man pyjamas I bought you when you were eight." etc.
Did you mean ageing fast? If so, how is he ageing quicker than anyone else? He's 30 and a veritable bundle of energy going off the evidence of his displays since January. It's not like he's on his last legs is it? I'd also back him to outrun, outwork and outfight Drenthe any day of the week, despite the fact he's the elder of the two and doesn't have a one man cult championing him on here at every opportunity ( before streaking naked into the night, slaughtering goats, smearing himself in blood and beseeching Satan to "make Moyes sign him up").
I think if you had to offer Rodwell to Spurs for Pienaar they would take it!
Great piece of business that is! Swap a 21 year old England international who has captained every age group on the way up, is a true Blue, dominated a Man U team when 18 but who might have struggled with injuries recently preventing a good run in the team this season, for a 30 year old Saffa (I'm one) who was great for 3 months even even though his season before his left was distinctly average and left us for the bright lights of London. Yeah I'm sure Arry would hate that piece of business.
Great piece of business that is! Swap a 21 year old England international who has captained every age group on the way up, is a true Blue, dominated a Man U team when 18 but who might have struggled with injuries recently preventing a good run in the team this season, for a 30 year old Saffa (I'm one) who was great for 3 months even even though his season before his left was distinctly average and left us for the bright lights of London. Yeah I'm sure Arry would hate that piece of business.
"Did you mean ageing fast? If so, how is he ageing quicker than anyone else? "
We have had this before John, apparently we have a rapidly ageing squad, that Moyes, he's fecking useless, not doing a Cher and turning back time
We have had this before John, apparently we have a rapidly ageing squad, that Moyes, he's fecking useless, not doing a Cher and turning back time
"To me this is a joke.
A deal should have been agreed before"
Jimmy honestly lad you live in a dream world. Everton can only agree a deal with Spurs if Levy is amenable to it. Takes two to tango. Then again, you think that a 30 year old Pienaar is still growing, so.
A deal should have been agreed before"
Jimmy honestly lad you live in a dream world. Everton can only agree a deal with Spurs if Levy is amenable to it. Takes two to tango. Then again, you think that a 30 year old Pienaar is still growing, so.
Good to know there is some common sense here Ryan.
I prefer Pienaar first because he does not need time like Drenthe does, even though he is 30 he is worth the money.
Problem is that I fear we will lose him, because we will not be able to come up with the money fast enough.
If, and I say IF Pienaar goes to Sunderland or QPR then we are out of options.
We can deny it all day long, but it does not change the fact that we have no options on either wings right now.
We have no creative ability at all without Pienaar.
Drenthe is an option to us as he knows the club and can start to perform right away.
Moyes got him here, he knew his history, but he still opted for him.
He did it because he was desperate.
We will be just as desperate if we lose Pienaar, so it makes sense to go for him if we can not find anyone better.
I understand the ill feelings towards Drenthe, but I maintain they come second to what is best for this club.
We need to create chances to score enough goals to get back into Europa League again, with no creative input on either wings we are lost.
My feelings towards Drenthe is mixed, both good and bad, but the greater good is what matters here, nothing else.
Certainly not ill feelings towards a player.
If Mancini had not gone back on his word regarding Tevez then City would probably not have won the league.
I will maintain my wiew on this no matter how much some might complain and try to influence.
What is important to me is that Everton improves, and right now we need wingers, we have found the striker.
I prefer Pienaar first because he does not need time like Drenthe does, even though he is 30 he is worth the money.
Problem is that I fear we will lose him, because we will not be able to come up with the money fast enough.
If, and I say IF Pienaar goes to Sunderland or QPR then we are out of options.
We can deny it all day long, but it does not change the fact that we have no options on either wings right now.
We have no creative ability at all without Pienaar.
Drenthe is an option to us as he knows the club and can start to perform right away.
Moyes got him here, he knew his history, but he still opted for him.
He did it because he was desperate.
We will be just as desperate if we lose Pienaar, so it makes sense to go for him if we can not find anyone better.
I understand the ill feelings towards Drenthe, but I maintain they come second to what is best for this club.
We need to create chances to score enough goals to get back into Europa League again, with no creative input on either wings we are lost.
My feelings towards Drenthe is mixed, both good and bad, but the greater good is what matters here, nothing else.
Certainly not ill feelings towards a player.
If Mancini had not gone back on his word regarding Tevez then City would probably not have won the league.
I will maintain my wiew on this no matter how much some might complain and try to influence.
What is important to me is that Everton improves, and right now we need wingers, we have found the striker.
Good decisions to get rid of McFadden and Drenthe, shame about Stracq but not good enough for us! Hopefully getting rid of two midfielders and a forward means those postitions are on his agenda!
Sorry Tony J! Cher was only singing a song, you can't really 'turn back time', just remember the second law of thermodynamics, entropy...there's no going back, ever!
Having said that, regarding Stevie P and his ageing, as he is smaller than average a higher percentage of his body is nearer the centre of the earths mass compared to taller people. This means that time, on average, will run slightly slower for him, This is due to the fact that the nearer you are to a more massive object the greater the curvature of spacetime!
Having said that, regarding Stevie P and his ageing, as he is smaller than average a higher percentage of his body is nearer the centre of the earths mass compared to taller people. This means that time, on average, will run slightly slower for him, This is due to the fact that the nearer you are to a more massive object the greater the curvature of spacetime!
Funny enough Peter, that's exactly what I was thinking too....
Jimmy Sørheim 978
You say,
"Drenthe is an option to us as he knows the club and can start to perform right away"
It is exactly that reason why we dont want him. His performing is the problem!!!!
Shame that he isnt as persistant as you, it might be a quality that would improve him.
Peter (982) you say ? "a higher percentage of his body is nearer the centre of the earths mass compared to taller people. This means that time, on average, will run slightly slower for him, This is due to the fact that the nearer you are to a more massive object the greater the curvature of spacetime!"
Hmmm.
So if you're a dwarf aged 70, does it actually feel like you're 126 or... something.
(Sorry, science was never my strongpoint, I'll admit to being a little confused.)
Hmmm.
So if you're a dwarf aged 70, does it actually feel like you're 126 or... something.
(Sorry, science was never my strongpoint, I'll admit to being a little confused.)
Eugene!
Easy really, the dwarf who is 70 will still feel 70, because in his frame of reference he will still be 70. though to us he will appear to be 70 minus a tiny tiny fraction of a thousandth of a second, because our frame of reference is slightly different to his...but in both viewpoints we'll never get enough money off Kenwright!
Easy really, the dwarf who is 70 will still feel 70, because in his frame of reference he will still be 70. though to us he will appear to be 70 minus a tiny tiny fraction of a thousandth of a second, because our frame of reference is slightly different to his...but in both viewpoints we'll never get enough money off Kenwright!
So if the dwarf supported the shite he would be a red dwarf
Peter, think I'm with you now.
So if I'm ever with a dwarf and the clock strikes midnight and he says "It's now my birthday!"
I'd be within my rights to say "Actually, you jumped in a bit quick there mate..NOW it's your birthday -all the best"
So if I'm ever with a dwarf and the clock strikes midnight and he says "It's now my birthday!"
I'd be within my rights to say "Actually, you jumped in a bit quick there mate..NOW it's your birthday -all the best"
"This is due to the fact that the nearer you are to a more massive object the greater the curvature of spacetime!"
So if you stood next to the Yak, would he get all the pies, due to the same effects?
So if you stood next to the Yak, would he get all the pies, due to the same effects?
Unfortnuatly Eugene. I know what Peter is on about!!!
Might be mistaken, but wasn"t a fee agreed for the sale of Yobo before he went on loan to Turkey? If I remember correctly Fenerbahçe refused to pay the agreed transfer fee. If he hasn't signed for them already, we'll get zilch!!
I was talking to a member of Southampton's playing staff today, who said Pienaar had visited Staplewood along with another player (not EFC). He believed that it was more 'doing the rounds' with agents etc. than anything else and when I said what Pienaar was probably after money wise, he laughed.
Doesn't it depend what nationality the dwarf is.
The world is not flat and certain places are much higher from sea level than others.
So in certain cases a Leprachaun could be much older than a giant.
Or if he was on a "stool" he could be a pain in the arse.
One or two to lighten things up:
1. A tall woman met a midget at a party. The midget was barely three feet tall but they were attracted to each other. After a few drinks they went back to the tall woman's apartment.
"I can't imagine what it will be like making love to a midget," said the woman, "especially with the size difference and all."
"Just take off your clothes, lie back on the bed, spread your legs apart and close your eyes," said the midget.
The woman did as she was told and soon she felt the biggest thing she'd ever experienced inside her. Within a few minutes the woman had climaxed eight times.
"If you think that was good," said the midget with a smirk, "Just wait till I get BOTH legs in there!"
2. Every day, a male co-worker walks up very close to a lady at the coffee machine, inhales a big breath of air, and tells her that her hair smells nice.
After a week of this, she can't stand it anymore, takes her complaint to a supervisor in the personnel department and asks to file a sexual harassment grievance against him. The Human Resources supervisor is puzzled and asks: "What's sexually threatening about a co-worker telling you your hair smells nice?"
The woman replies, "It's Doug. The midget!
Apologies in advance to our smaller brethren, only joking.
The world is not flat and certain places are much higher from sea level than others.
So in certain cases a Leprachaun could be much older than a giant.
Or if he was on a "stool" he could be a pain in the arse.
One or two to lighten things up:
1. A tall woman met a midget at a party. The midget was barely three feet tall but they were attracted to each other. After a few drinks they went back to the tall woman's apartment.
"I can't imagine what it will be like making love to a midget," said the woman, "especially with the size difference and all."
"Just take off your clothes, lie back on the bed, spread your legs apart and close your eyes," said the midget.
The woman did as she was told and soon she felt the biggest thing she'd ever experienced inside her. Within a few minutes the woman had climaxed eight times.
"If you think that was good," said the midget with a smirk, "Just wait till I get BOTH legs in there!"
2. Every day, a male co-worker walks up very close to a lady at the coffee machine, inhales a big breath of air, and tells her that her hair smells nice.
After a week of this, she can't stand it anymore, takes her complaint to a supervisor in the personnel department and asks to file a sexual harassment grievance against him. The Human Resources supervisor is puzzled and asks: "What's sexually threatening about a co-worker telling you your hair smells nice?"
The woman replies, "It's Doug. The midget!
Apologies in advance to our smaller brethren, only joking.
I think this subject is completely out of Everton's hands. Spurs have a good side, and there are no doubt a few clubs looking at their better players. If Bale leaves for whatever reason, Pienaar is someone that could do a job for them if they dont get a chance to replace him.
If something was going to happen on this deal, it will only be very late on in the window when Spurs can assess whether they truly need him. I think Pienaar himself knows this, and possibly one of the reasons he got upset as he knows he is loved at GP, yet only a standby at WHL.
I personally hopes he comes back, but if there is some money there available, I don't think Moyes will gamble by waiting to see if Spurs will release him. It also depends if Magaye Gueye will be able to step up to the left side birth next season.
If something was going to happen on this deal, it will only be very late on in the window when Spurs can assess whether they truly need him. I think Pienaar himself knows this, and possibly one of the reasons he got upset as he knows he is loved at GP, yet only a standby at WHL.
I personally hopes he comes back, but if there is some money there available, I don't think Moyes will gamble by waiting to see if Spurs will release him. It also depends if Magaye Gueye will be able to step up to the left side birth next season.
It will all come down to three things 1) does he want to leave? 2) who can afford the transfer fee and the salary the player wants? 3) who does he prefer to play for? And in that order.
As regards what Spurs want, less important these days as if a player wants to go then nine times out of ten he will. The only player Spurs really took a stand on is Modric and he will go this summer.
As regards what Spurs want, less important these days as if a player wants to go then nine times out of ten he will. The only player Spurs really took a stand on is Modric and he will go this summer.
I'm sure Pienaar will be sold by Spurs in the summer but to the highest bidder so that will put us out of the picture.
It will be interesting to see how much he goes for, only then we can see how much money we have lost from the original breakdown in contract talks.
It will be interesting to see how much he goes for, only then we can see how much money we have lost from the original breakdown in contract talks.
I don't care what hes done in the past. I don't give a flying one what his wage demands are. I couldn't care less how old he is... the simple fact is Pienaar has got to be signed ? end of!
He's absolutley vital to us, he makes the side tick and dictates how we play. Some of his performances since he come back were sensational.
Let's face it, he's not going to fit into the Spurs style of play (whatever the fuck that is). His home is Goodison Park and let's hope we keep him here.
He's absolutley vital to us, he makes the side tick and dictates how we play. Some of his performances since he come back were sensational.
Let's face it, he's not going to fit into the Spurs style of play (whatever the fuck that is). His home is Goodison Park and let's hope we keep him here.
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Under normal circumstances, yes, EFC would surely have tried to agree a fee at the time the loan was arranged but 10 minutes before the transfer deadline doesn't allow for much negotiating time. Who knows, though...?