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The most underrated
121 Comments: I have about a 45-minute walk home from work. During that time, my mind wonders a bit. Ten years ago, maybe fifteen, my thoughts were divided between sex and Everton. Nowadays it's, well, Everton.
Today, as I faced the uphill march, I remembered a Mountfield goal against Aston Villa. Anyway, who's the most underrated Everton player ever? I mean a player who has had really few plaudits.
Keith Newton? Henry Newton? Tommy Wright? Even...... Billy Wright. For me it is Derek Mountfield. Scored the odd important goal. Pretty quick, good team man, could pass the ball out of defence better than anyone we've had in a while. And, in a different era, like today for example, would have been a consistent international footballer.
Andy Crooks, Posted 21/05/2012 at 23:03:16
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Big Nev, even in his later years (when past his best). 'THAT' double save from Scholes in the '95 cup final! Legend.
Underrated. Oh. Missed that bit, before you all start on me, too many bev's tonight.
Besides, loved those saves anyway and in my drunken defense he was underrated at that time in his career.
Besides, loved those saves anyway and in my drunken defense he was underrated at that time in his career.
Tony Hibbert.....
I've said this before, and under this thread it seems to be appropriate:
Lee Carsley
Always gave 100%. Commited. Fantastic at his defensive midfield role.
Underrated? Massively IMO.
I'd argue one of the best players to wear the jersey in my 6 years of supporting the Club. Certainly my personal favorite just down to his work ethic and the solidity with which he played his position and played his role in the team.
Not flashy, but typifies Everton as I've come to know it.
Lee Carsley
Always gave 100%. Commited. Fantastic at his defensive midfield role.
Underrated? Massively IMO.
I'd argue one of the best players to wear the jersey in my 6 years of supporting the Club. Certainly my personal favorite just down to his work ethic and the solidity with which he played his position and played his role in the team.
Not flashy, but typifies Everton as I've come to know it.
Do you mean underrated by Evertonians or underrated by the football public at large?
I don't think Mountfield was underrated was he? Not by Evertonians anyway. I remember when Dave Watson signed and the majority of fans didn't want him to replace Mountfield at all.
Speaking of Watson, I think he was underrated by those outside of Goodison. He was a rock for Everton for 15 years and yet only received a meagre handful of England caps, none of those coming after 1988. The nearest he got to the England squad in the nineties was taking on Tel's tossers as part of some bizarre Hong Kong Select.
I'd also nominate Kevin Richardson as well. Obviously hampered by the fact he looked like a young Rod Hull and was mainly cover for the first choice midfielders but he was a very good player, not only for us but also for Aston Villa and Arsenal.
I don't think Mountfield was underrated was he? Not by Evertonians anyway. I remember when Dave Watson signed and the majority of fans didn't want him to replace Mountfield at all.
Speaking of Watson, I think he was underrated by those outside of Goodison. He was a rock for Everton for 15 years and yet only received a meagre handful of England caps, none of those coming after 1988. The nearest he got to the England squad in the nineties was taking on Tel's tossers as part of some bizarre Hong Kong Select.
I'd also nominate Kevin Richardson as well. Obviously hampered by the fact he looked like a young Rod Hull and was mainly cover for the first choice midfielders but he was a very good player, not only for us but also for Aston Villa and Arsenal.
Alex Scott
In my time, Lee Carsley.
Fellaini - scores LOADS of goal, assists every week, commands the game, can beat a man easily, great tackler, superb crosser, never gives the ball away; all round superstar. MY FUCKIN' ARSE..........
I reckon it has to be Bailey for me.......
COYB.
I reckon it has to be Bailey for me.......
COYB.
Colin Harvey - a career that encompassed just one performance for England (against Malta) was a national disgrace. In the Ball, Harvey, Kendall midfield trio Ball was the engine room and steel, Kendall supplied the guile and cleverness - Harvey was the silk and seemingly effortless skill with the football.
I was only 11 when we won the league and only went to a the few games my dad would take me but most of the players of that era made a huge impression on me - Labone and Harvey were two who really stood out. Labone for his strength and majesty in defence - Harvey for his football - pure football.
Harvey never received the recognition as a coach he should have done and it was his promotion to first team coach in 1983-84 that saw a workmanlike bunch of individuals turn into the best footballing team in the country. Howard Kendall got all of the plaudits and deserved them - but it was Harvey, the man behind the scenes who made Everton tick - and we ticked like a good Swiss watch with Harvey supplying the coaching. It's one of life's unfathomable conundrums that when given the chance to manage Everton Harvey failed - in my opinion it's because he was just too nice a bloke and didn't have that ruthless streak that all great managers have.
I was only 11 when we won the league and only went to a the few games my dad would take me but most of the players of that era made a huge impression on me - Labone and Harvey were two who really stood out. Labone for his strength and majesty in defence - Harvey for his football - pure football.
Harvey never received the recognition as a coach he should have done and it was his promotion to first team coach in 1983-84 that saw a workmanlike bunch of individuals turn into the best footballing team in the country. Howard Kendall got all of the plaudits and deserved them - but it was Harvey, the man behind the scenes who made Everton tick - and we ticked like a good Swiss watch with Harvey supplying the coaching. It's one of life's unfathomable conundrums that when given the chance to manage Everton Harvey failed - in my opinion it's because he was just too nice a bloke and didn't have that ruthless streak that all great managers have.
I always thought Adrian Heath was a bit underrated. He just never seemed to get a first team place regularly as there was always Sharp up front with either Gray or Lineker or Clarke! But Heath always did well and I think he should get more credit. :-)
Well done Alan, first one to take the chance to slag someone off, you miserable fecker.
With the off season no doubt Andy was a bit bored, so he put the question on to relieve the tedium before the Euro's start.
Anyway for my vote I'd go for Tony Hibbert as well, solid reliable never moans, OK he isn't exactly the best going forward, but his primary job is to defend at which he is very good.
With the off season no doubt Andy was a bit bored, so he put the question on to relieve the tedium before the Euro's start.
Anyway for my vote I'd go for Tony Hibbert as well, solid reliable never moans, OK he isn't exactly the best going forward, but his primary job is to defend at which he is very good.
Gerry Morrison #816. Alex Scott boyhood hero, that's when Everton were Everton.
I'd say Howard Kendall one of the best players of his generation.
I'd say Howard Kendall one of the best players of his generation.
Kevin # 821 - I agree 100%. Kendall himself was under-rated nationally, particularly in the early 70s when one season he kept us in the first division virtually on his own.
Kevin Richardson.
Sandy Brown.
Johnny Morrisey, the devil on the wings of the holy trinity.
Kevin Richardson.
Sandy Brown.
Johnny Morrisey, the devil on the wings of the holy trinity.
John Hurst was a rock beside Labone, and I can still hear the chant from the Boys Pen
Jimmy Jimmy Husband La La la La La
You KNow over the years all of our top players have been overlooked by the powers that be.
During the late 60's only Ball and Wilson were England regulars.
How did HK never get an England Cap?
In Mexico 86 only through injuries did Reid and Stevens get into the team and but for the hand of God England may well have won that world |Cup.
Bob Latchford scored 30 league goals (is that still a record) and was overlooked for England.
In the last ten years the player who has always given his all is Tony Hibbert, look how well he plays when he has a decent player in front of him.
Jimmy Jimmy Husband La La la La La
You KNow over the years all of our top players have been overlooked by the powers that be.
During the late 60's only Ball and Wilson were England regulars.
How did HK never get an England Cap?
In Mexico 86 only through injuries did Reid and Stevens get into the team and but for the hand of God England may well have won that world |Cup.
Bob Latchford scored 30 league goals (is that still a record) and was overlooked for England.
In the last ten years the player who has always given his all is Tony Hibbert, look how well he plays when he has a decent player in front of him.
My support only goes about 15 years back but i always thought Joseph Yobo got a tough time. Yes he was obviously prone to some high class errors and lapses in concentration but he was also a tremendous defender on his day. Blistering pace, a giant in the air, good recovery tackle and decent distribution. A one man rock (with ocassional crumbles...). He was i believe Moyes first ever signing for us and for me he was symptomatic of the improvement Moyes team made in his first 5 year.
Joe Parkinson - OK, not a world beater, but played his all for us!
Sharpie.
Hes blotted his copy book with a lot of blues recently, with his support for the chairman, but what a player.
Evertonian fans and players -especially Linacre, Gray and Heath knew what an outstanding player he was, but he didnt get chosen for Scotland that often and never seem to get the recognition he deserved from the wider football community
Hes blotted his copy book with a lot of blues recently, with his support for the chairman, but what a player.
Evertonian fans and players -especially Linacre, Gray and Heath knew what an outstanding player he was, but he didnt get chosen for Scotland that often and never seem to get the recognition he deserved from the wider football community
Recently - Tony Hibbert.
From a philosophical perspective one alone can't underrate or overrate a player since one rates a player according to their own scoring system. Rather you underrate a player where the general consensus believes otherwise. If you take for example 'I underrate Carlsey', well you are in fact rating him on the spot by admittingly contradicting yourself.
Osman is crap.
Osman is crap.
But going back a bit ? Pat Nevin.
Never really got the plaudits he deserved.
Never really got the plaudits he deserved.
Brian Harris, Johnny Morrissey, and today John Heitinga who's taken a long time to get the appreciation he deserves.
Alan Harper (wonder goal v Chelsea at the Bridge).
Tommy Jackson.
John Hurst.
Hibbo.
Mimms (we can't all be Big Nev).
Joe Parkinson.
Keith Richardson.
Wayne Clarke.
Alan Biley's timeless mullet.
Tommy Jackson.
John Hurst.
Hibbo.
Mimms (we can't all be Big Nev).
Joe Parkinson.
Keith Richardson.
Wayne Clarke.
Alan Biley's timeless mullet.
Sorry, 'Kevin' Richardson.
Tony Hibbert
If you mean underrated outside Everton then players like Bracewell, Mountfield and Heath who were playing in probably the best team in Europe, were total quality and only Bracey ever got a cap and he only got a couple.
Ian Snodin is another one to add to that list.
Ian Snodin is another one to add to that list.
John Hurst for me, not by Evertonians but despite captaining the U21's he never got a look in at a full cap despite being for me the classiest CB in the UK.
Again not by Evertonians but by the England establishment is Colin Harvey, what a beautiful footballer.
Again not by Evertonians but by the England establishment is Colin Harvey, what a beautiful footballer.
I started following the blues in the 1980's so can only base my perceptions from that period onwards. In decade order I will go with the following :
1980's : Paul Power (c 1987)
1990's : Joe Parkinson (c 1995)
2000's : Lee Carsley (c 2004)
2010 - present : Hard to tell !
1980's : Paul Power (c 1987)
1990's : Joe Parkinson (c 1995)
2000's : Lee Carsley (c 2004)
2010 - present : Hard to tell !
I don't understand why people are claiming that Alex Scott, Graham Sharp, Lee Carsley, Howard Kendall or Colin Harvey could ever be considered to be underrated by anyone who watched them play for Everton. They were, in their time, considered great players by us fans who saw them and the number of times , for instance, on Toffeeweb I've seen articles bemoaning the fact that we "need a Carsley" etc. only serve to back that claim up.
Peter Mills quite rightly names Kevin Richardson, who went on to win a Champioship medal with Arsenal and also enjoyed success at Villa, as being one such player. I think the article refers to the likes of Alan Harper who won both a Championship winners medal and Cup Winners' Cup medal , played in numerous positions, yet never let the side down. Unsung hero.
It is astonishing to think that of our "Holy Trinity" only Ball received International recognition on par with his ability. Kendall must be one of the finest uncapped players of all time and why on Earth Harvey only received one cap, God only knows. It is surely testament to the questionable selection procedure employed by the English FA in the 60's and 70's.
Imagine the worth of Ball,Kendall and Harvey now, all English and all truly great players.
Peter Mills quite rightly names Kevin Richardson, who went on to win a Champioship medal with Arsenal and also enjoyed success at Villa, as being one such player. I think the article refers to the likes of Alan Harper who won both a Championship winners medal and Cup Winners' Cup medal , played in numerous positions, yet never let the side down. Unsung hero.
It is astonishing to think that of our "Holy Trinity" only Ball received International recognition on par with his ability. Kendall must be one of the finest uncapped players of all time and why on Earth Harvey only received one cap, God only knows. It is surely testament to the questionable selection procedure employed by the English FA in the 60's and 70's.
Imagine the worth of Ball,Kendall and Harvey now, all English and all truly great players.
Andy, may I suggest you buy a bicycle? 45 min walk becomes a 10 min bike ride.
Can then stay in bed 30 mins extra each day dream about Everton......(as well as getting some exercise and its a lot less boring than walking for 1.5 hrs every day - unless you like walking of course..)
Back to the OP, current squad would go with Hibbo. Not the most spectacular of RBs but always gives 100% and is a solid squad player and never moans (or does anything in public for that matter).
From yesteryear, would be a close call between Joe Parkinson and John Ebbrell. Both were great servants to the club and helped win the last trophy we ever lifted. Neither seemed to get much recognition or praise if I remember correctly.
Can then stay in bed 30 mins extra each day dream about Everton......(as well as getting some exercise and its a lot less boring than walking for 1.5 hrs every day - unless you like walking of course..)
Back to the OP, current squad would go with Hibbo. Not the most spectacular of RBs but always gives 100% and is a solid squad player and never moans (or does anything in public for that matter).
From yesteryear, would be a close call between Joe Parkinson and John Ebbrell. Both were great servants to the club and helped win the last trophy we ever lifted. Neither seemed to get much recognition or praise if I remember correctly.
Tony Hibbert
I dont think Paul Power was underated either as I think he won our player of the year when we won the league.
I think a lot of the underated shouts over the years is just an Everton fans chip on the shoulder thing, I mean when we won the league with a team with allagedly no stars we had Southall and Reid picking up all the PFA awards and Lineker the year after, we also won the addidas world team of the year award.
I think a lot of the underated shouts over the years is just an Everton fans chip on the shoulder thing, I mean when we won the league with a team with allagedly no stars we had Southall and Reid picking up all the PFA awards and Lineker the year after, we also won the addidas world team of the year award.
Some names here that conjure images from the past for me.
Good old Sandy Brown was a real trooper of the highest order (and he did put a cracker in the right end against The Shite let it not be forgotten!!!).
The more modern day (if that's right to refer as 84-88 as modern day) are self explanatory. It's those golden names from my childhood/early teens that have got me going.
Jimmy Husband was a player who I feel never really believed in his own abilities. Burst on the scene about 67 and - on his day was a superb player but never fulfilled his expectations fully. My grand dad always used to refer to an infamous tackle by Derby's Dave McKay about 1968 that shocked Goodison as affecting Husband's confidence for ever. I recall the chants of 'Jim Jim Jimmy Jimmy Husband On The Wing, On The Wing'. He was a Bob Dylan fan too whilst the rest of his team mates were into Tom Jones/Englebert/Light Pop and Classical in their tastes in the programme profiles.
My full vote goes for Howard Kendall. When one looks at the 'dogs' who won England caps as midfielders (Peter Storey et al) it was a crime. The season 1972/73 we could well have gone down had it not been for him week-in week-out (and Westy in his twilight days) holding teams at bay.
Think I'll go on a 45 min walk tonight and ponder more on those misty days from the past...
Good old Sandy Brown was a real trooper of the highest order (and he did put a cracker in the right end against The Shite let it not be forgotten!!!).
The more modern day (if that's right to refer as 84-88 as modern day) are self explanatory. It's those golden names from my childhood/early teens that have got me going.
Jimmy Husband was a player who I feel never really believed in his own abilities. Burst on the scene about 67 and - on his day was a superb player but never fulfilled his expectations fully. My grand dad always used to refer to an infamous tackle by Derby's Dave McKay about 1968 that shocked Goodison as affecting Husband's confidence for ever. I recall the chants of 'Jim Jim Jimmy Jimmy Husband On The Wing, On The Wing'. He was a Bob Dylan fan too whilst the rest of his team mates were into Tom Jones/Englebert/Light Pop and Classical in their tastes in the programme profiles.
My full vote goes for Howard Kendall. When one looks at the 'dogs' who won England caps as midfielders (Peter Storey et al) it was a crime. The season 1972/73 we could well have gone down had it not been for him week-in week-out (and Westy in his twilight days) holding teams at bay.
Think I'll go on a 45 min walk tonight and ponder more on those misty days from the past...
Andy, may I suggest you ignore 851 Denis's suggestion to buy a bicycle - unless that is you are deeply anti-social and have a face wizened by the hatred and loathing of anyone not wearing day-glo yellow safety gear.
Might I recommend the humble automobile as a more civilised mode of transport.
I think Baines is hugely underrated - I base this on the fact that not everyone seems to agree with me that he is far and away the best left back in the world.
Might I recommend the humble automobile as a more civilised mode of transport.
I think Baines is hugely underrated - I base this on the fact that not everyone seems to agree with me that he is far and away the best left back in the world.
Paul Bracewell,
On his day was an immense player beside Reidy in the middle of the park.
Unlucky with Injuries and it was only because of the quality of his midfield peers of Steven, Reid and Sheedy that his isn't as well revered.
On his day was an immense player beside Reidy in the middle of the park.
Unlucky with Injuries and it was only because of the quality of his midfield peers of Steven, Reid and Sheedy that his isn't as well revered.
It was a bit before my time but one player who I always liked the look of was Bracewell but he doesn't seem to get revered in the same way that Reid, Ratcliffe, Sharp and Sheedy do..
..can anyone tell me why?
..can anyone tell me why?
'wrongly underrated X1'
Jimmy O'Neill
Sandy Brown
Roger Kenyon
John Hurst
Mike Pejic
Brian Harris
Dennis Stevens
Derek Temple
Wayne Clark
Frank Wignall
John Morrisey
I think they were 'unsung heroes' rather than underrated, because they didn't have the same mystique as some of their most illustrious teammates.
For me the biggest unsung hero was Roy Vernon. A genius and the best I've ever seen in a blue shirt. He always seems somehow to be overlooked a bit in our history, suffering in the memory in comparison with Alex Young.
He certainly wasn't underrated at the time, that's for sure, just somehow, his lustre seems tarnished these days
Jimmy O'Neill
Sandy Brown
Roger Kenyon
John Hurst
Mike Pejic
Brian Harris
Dennis Stevens
Derek Temple
Wayne Clark
Frank Wignall
John Morrisey
I think they were 'unsung heroes' rather than underrated, because they didn't have the same mystique as some of their most illustrious teammates.
For me the biggest unsung hero was Roy Vernon. A genius and the best I've ever seen in a blue shirt. He always seems somehow to be overlooked a bit in our history, suffering in the memory in comparison with Alex Young.
He certainly wasn't underrated at the time, that's for sure, just somehow, his lustre seems tarnished these days
Ball and Wilson were capped before the came to Everton and had a reputation that the Anti Everton Cabal could not ignore.
Mick Lyons, Brian Harris, Denis Stevens, Tommy Jackson, Terry Darracot.
Bernie Wright was a 70's Stracq on the field and a Drenthe off it.
Mick Lyons, Brian Harris, Denis Stevens, Tommy Jackson, Terry Darracot.
Bernie Wright was a 70's Stracq on the field and a Drenthe off it.
Bracewell looked an exceptional player in his first season at Everton - unfortunately he received a bad knee injury (career threatening) and never quite looked the same player after his long lay off.
Mick Bernard - used to pass the length of the pitch and the recipient barely took a step to reach it.
Chris Williams@865
Some good calls, there, Chris, Dennis Stevens in particular. My Dad always reckoned he was "years ahead of his time" in much the same way that journos used that expression to describe Martin Peters. Hard working but with more ability than people realised. AND he writes on here...
The only one I'd disagree with is Morrissey. He remains one of the best wingers I've seen in an Everton shirt. Fast, a good crosser of the ball, and hard as nails. Tommy Smith (Hard? Do me a favour.Coward, more like it) would fill his kecks if confronted with Morrisey. Jack Charlton famously claimed he kept a Black Book with the names of players he
"owed one to". Morrisey twatted him so hard he left Charlton on his back .He leaned over and said to Charltons face "Put that in yer Black Book" and trotted off. Charlton, like all cowards, kept a distnace from Morrisey for the rest of the game.
Some good calls, there, Chris, Dennis Stevens in particular. My Dad always reckoned he was "years ahead of his time" in much the same way that journos used that expression to describe Martin Peters. Hard working but with more ability than people realised. AND he writes on here...
The only one I'd disagree with is Morrissey. He remains one of the best wingers I've seen in an Everton shirt. Fast, a good crosser of the ball, and hard as nails. Tommy Smith (Hard? Do me a favour.Coward, more like it) would fill his kecks if confronted with Morrisey. Jack Charlton famously claimed he kept a Black Book with the names of players he
"owed one to". Morrisey twatted him so hard he left Charlton on his back .He leaned over and said to Charltons face "Put that in yer Black Book" and trotted off. Charlton, like all cowards, kept a distnace from Morrisey for the rest of the game.
This has got me going about some names from the past here.
I recall Tommy Jackson stepping into important shoes during the 1970 Championship years and doing his bit à la Richardson/Harper did in the 80s.
Jimmy Husband was an odd one. Burst on the scene about 1967 and never really lived up to his potential (like Alan Whittle) but was capable of greatness. My granddad swore he was mentally crocked by a dreadful challenge by Derby's Dave McKay in a League Cup tie. He was a Bob Dylan fan too whilst his colleagues were all into 'Light Pop and Classical' and Engelbert et al, I recall.
My vote would be Howard Kendall. Consumate professional who outside of Merseyside you never heard praised. How dogs like Peter Storey won England honours ahead of him is beyond a joke. I recall Kendall (and 'Westy') single handedly keeping us up week after week about 1972 with 100% displayes every game. Kendall is an Everton legend but nationally you'd find it hard to hear anyone say anything about him. Best consistent performer I've ever seen in an Everton shirt.
I recall Tommy Jackson stepping into important shoes during the 1970 Championship years and doing his bit à la Richardson/Harper did in the 80s.
Jimmy Husband was an odd one. Burst on the scene about 1967 and never really lived up to his potential (like Alan Whittle) but was capable of greatness. My granddad swore he was mentally crocked by a dreadful challenge by Derby's Dave McKay in a League Cup tie. He was a Bob Dylan fan too whilst his colleagues were all into 'Light Pop and Classical' and Engelbert et al, I recall.
My vote would be Howard Kendall. Consumate professional who outside of Merseyside you never heard praised. How dogs like Peter Storey won England honours ahead of him is beyond a joke. I recall Kendall (and 'Westy') single handedly keeping us up week after week about 1972 with 100% displayes every game. Kendall is an Everton legend but nationally you'd find it hard to hear anyone say anything about him. Best consistent performer I've ever seen in an Everton shirt.
George Wood - goalie in the 70s - there were times I thought he was the best in the world.
Ray@872
I used to love Johnny Morrisey. We played Leeds away in the FA cup and drew there. Horrible foggy day in the early 60s before M62 so a hairy journey in a mini bus. We were standing down the side next to the wall and Johnny was taken out by Reaney who was an animal. He was unconscious and we were right next to the huddle. Smelling salts and magic sponge did its work. As he came to Johnny asked who the f.... did it? The next possible opportunity and Reaney was left prostrate.We drew there and beat them in the replay, with Jimmy Gabriel at centre forward.
Dennis Stevens was guilty of replacing Bobby Collins. He also missed an absolute sitter on his debut. But your dad was probably right, by sheer effort and quite a bit of skill he gradually gained acceptance, perhaps grudgingly, eventually. Black Harry often used him as a man marker and he used to do a great job there on the likes of Bryan Dougls who could be a real handful. Nat Lofthouse praised him to the skys in his autobiography.
I used to love Johnny Morrisey. We played Leeds away in the FA cup and drew there. Horrible foggy day in the early 60s before M62 so a hairy journey in a mini bus. We were standing down the side next to the wall and Johnny was taken out by Reaney who was an animal. He was unconscious and we were right next to the huddle. Smelling salts and magic sponge did its work. As he came to Johnny asked who the f.... did it? The next possible opportunity and Reaney was left prostrate.We drew there and beat them in the replay, with Jimmy Gabriel at centre forward.
Dennis Stevens was guilty of replacing Bobby Collins. He also missed an absolute sitter on his debut. But your dad was probably right, by sheer effort and quite a bit of skill he gradually gained acceptance, perhaps grudgingly, eventually. Black Harry often used him as a man marker and he used to do a great job there on the likes of Bryan Dougls who could be a real handful. Nat Lofthouse praised him to the skys in his autobiography.
Dave Clements, who remembers him??!!
Chris,
I haven't read Lofthouse's book, but did he really say that? Show's how much he was appreciated by his peers. You're right about the Collins comment. Stevens would always be regarded as Collins replacement and would, no doubt, have suffered in any comparison debate. Collins was a master and left Everton far too early, as his career with Leeds shows. What was the reason for his untimely departure, does anyone have any insight into his leaving or was it just Catterick's attitude to a signing he hadn't made.
I haven't read Lofthouse's book, but did he really say that? Show's how much he was appreciated by his peers. You're right about the Collins comment. Stevens would always be regarded as Collins replacement and would, no doubt, have suffered in any comparison debate. Collins was a master and left Everton far too early, as his career with Leeds shows. What was the reason for his untimely departure, does anyone have any insight into his leaving or was it just Catterick's attitude to a signing he hadn't made.
Re. Dennis Stevens I remember Catterick saying when he bought him that the Everton team of the day had all the skill in the world, but that what was lacking was a "bread and butter" player, i.e. someone to do the simple basics and do them well.
Gibson seems to me to play this role in the current team, and it is interesting how we improved overall following his arrival.
Gibson seems to me to play this role in the current team, and it is interesting how we improved overall following his arrival.
Ray Roche - Harvey wasn't underrated by Everton supporters; far from it - but he was by Sir Alf, who tended to stick with his core players, even when it was clear they were past their best. He was also sidelined by some in the national press who'd rave about Ball even though Harvey (and Kendall) were just as effective.
I firmly believe that Harvey at the top of his game would walk into any international side from any era barring perhaps Brazil late 60s early 1970s - I can't think of another Everton player that I've seen in my lifetime I'd pay that compliment to - including Rooney.
I firmly believe that Harvey at the top of his game would walk into any international side from any era barring perhaps Brazil late 60s early 1970s - I can't think of another Everton player that I've seen in my lifetime I'd pay that compliment to - including Rooney.
Ray
Yes Nat Lofthouse said that whenever he scored a goal and wheeled away in triumph taking the plaudits, he would always see Dennis with his tongue hanging out, puffed having been behind the goal's creation in the first place. That's just a bit of it.
As regards Bobby Collins leaving, I've always believed that Sir John had something to do with it, but couldn't swear to it.
Yes Nat Lofthouse said that whenever he scored a goal and wheeled away in triumph taking the plaudits, he would always see Dennis with his tongue hanging out, puffed having been behind the goal's creation in the first place. That's just a bit of it.
As regards Bobby Collins leaving, I've always believed that Sir John had something to do with it, but couldn't swear to it.
I always thought Ian Snodin was going to be a great Everton player. If it wasn't for some bad injuries, he would have made it for England when they had some talented players.
And he chose us over the R.S. !!
And he chose us over the R.S. !!
Kevin, I seem to remember Harvey had the nickname "The White Pele" ...and not for no reason. A sublime footballer who, as you state, would grace any team, any era. Maybe it's just the media who can't give players the plaudits they deserve.
Joe Parkinson - Could have been a great player but made the ultimate sacrifice,playing through an injury that ended his career to ensure we stayed up.Also a lot better footballer than people give him credit for.
Dave Watson-How he didnt win more caps i'll never know,simply the best out and out defender i've seen in blue,headed,blocked and tackled everything and my favourite ever player.
Dave Watson-How he didnt win more caps i'll never know,simply the best out and out defender i've seen in blue,headed,blocked and tackled everything and my favourite ever player.
Some good shouts here. Denis Stevens pops up quite a bit. I actually have no recollection of him at all. What was he like?
Since I started watching Everton, the player who I regard as the most underrated was Johnny Morrissey. Besides always able to terrorize his old club from across the park, the one game that sticks out was when Sandy Brown was sent off against Leeds at Goodison, during the match that the ref took both sides off, to cool down. Johnny went full back, and never gave Terry Cooper, who was a English international, a kick (legal anyway).
One great hearted and talented lad.
One great hearted and talented lad.
Andy, Denis was a work horse for the more talented players around him, a Harry Catterick type player.
Stood out when we won league in 1963.
Stood out when we won league in 1963.
Andy,
In addition to Norman's recollections, Stevens would cover every blade of grass, tirelessly tackling, probing, a water carrier with more skill and ability than people may remember. He would walk into any Moyes team....
Norman, I well remember that match. I think Sandy Brown, another underrated player who played in almost every position for us, was sent off after about 3 minutes, wasn't he? It's sad that most people remember him for the own goal against the RS, a goal that would have been goal of the season.
If it had been at the other end.
In addition to Norman's recollections, Stevens would cover every blade of grass, tirelessly tackling, probing, a water carrier with more skill and ability than people may remember. He would walk into any Moyes team....
Norman, I well remember that match. I think Sandy Brown, another underrated player who played in almost every position for us, was sent off after about 3 minutes, wasn't he? It's sad that most people remember him for the own goal against the RS, a goal that would have been goal of the season.
If it had been at the other end.
I seem to recall that Sandy did score at the right end against the shite in another derby match. A great header, after outjumping Gordon Milne.
When he was sent off against Leeds, he had studmarks on his chest Johnny Giles tackled him and he retaliated. Another Revie animal!
We had our own hard men though. Gabriel, Morrissey, Stevens, Vernon, and later big Fred.
When he was sent off against Leeds, he had studmarks on his chest Johnny Giles tackled him and he retaliated. Another Revie animal!
We had our own hard men though. Gabriel, Morrissey, Stevens, Vernon, and later big Fred.
Ross Barkley
I'm not sure how highly rated he was at the time but Gough was a brilliant player for us.
The most obvious ones from Moyes time are Hibbert and Carsley.
Valente was also a evry good player when he was fit. The first of our footballing full-back's that we all seem to look for these days.
The most obvious ones from Moyes time are Hibbert and Carsley.
Valente was also a evry good player when he was fit. The first of our footballing full-back's that we all seem to look for these days.
In modern times... I would go for Leon Osman.
I think he is an amazingly clever player with unbeleivably quick feet. It's important to take into account he lost 2 or 3 years of his development because of injury so he could've been even better.
Playing for Everton requires a lot of graft and Ossie does that. But, when playing in an attacking midfield role, his awareness and intelligence is excellent.
A lack of goals lets Leon down and with him age 30 (approx???) it's too late for international honours. I've heard many Prem players (Jack Wilshere, Joe Cole, Darren Fletcher, to name a few) who have singled out Ossie for praise. I think it was Wilshere who said Ossie was Iniesta-like?
I've been going to EFC since 1988. It's probably not realistic to state underrated players from my early days as I didn't have a proper knowledge of the game then. I would say our most other underrated player in recent history would be 'diamond' Graham Stuart. Someone I felt could've done a job for England.
I think he is an amazingly clever player with unbeleivably quick feet. It's important to take into account he lost 2 or 3 years of his development because of injury so he could've been even better.
Playing for Everton requires a lot of graft and Ossie does that. But, when playing in an attacking midfield role, his awareness and intelligence is excellent.
A lack of goals lets Leon down and with him age 30 (approx???) it's too late for international honours. I've heard many Prem players (Jack Wilshere, Joe Cole, Darren Fletcher, to name a few) who have singled out Ossie for praise. I think it was Wilshere who said Ossie was Iniesta-like?
I've been going to EFC since 1988. It's probably not realistic to state underrated players from my early days as I didn't have a proper knowledge of the game then. I would say our most other underrated player in recent history would be 'diamond' Graham Stuart. Someone I felt could've done a job for England.
Andy,
skill was the thing in the 60s with 2-3-5 formation being the norm.
Stevens was a player ahead of his time in that his workrate was phenominal.
He would be in the opponents box very frequently (but was awful in front of goal scoopng many a chance over the bar) but then back in MF winning the ball and fetching it for the more skillful players.
skill was the thing in the 60s with 2-3-5 formation being the norm.
Stevens was a player ahead of his time in that his workrate was phenominal.
He would be in the opponents box very frequently (but was awful in front of goal scoopng many a chance over the bar) but then back in MF winning the ball and fetching it for the more skillful players.
Dennis Stevens
Chris Williams.
Hard men didn't come much harder, or classier, than Tony Kay. What a loss to English football he was. And when you think what that crooked goalkeeping clown from across the park did. And got away with it!
Hard men didn't come much harder, or classier, than Tony Kay. What a loss to English football he was. And when you think what that crooked goalkeeping clown from across the park did. And got away with it!
Ray
couldn't agree more. If he hadn't got banged up for a bet, when he was man of the match, my bet is he would have kept Bobby Moore out of the world cup team.
Tony Kay was the complete mid fielder - great tackler, great passer, tactically superb and filled in as captain too.He had started to get England call ups just when he was banned - a real spoting tragedy
He was a full class ahead of, dare I say it, Howard Kendall!
He's in my top 5 all time Everton players
Roy Vernon
Colin Harvey
Alan Ball
Alex Young
Tony Kay
which I guess shows my age and proves that your formulative influences remain the strongest
couldn't agree more. If he hadn't got banged up for a bet, when he was man of the match, my bet is he would have kept Bobby Moore out of the world cup team.
Tony Kay was the complete mid fielder - great tackler, great passer, tactically superb and filled in as captain too.He had started to get England call ups just when he was banned - a real spoting tragedy
He was a full class ahead of, dare I say it, Howard Kendall!
He's in my top 5 all time Everton players
Roy Vernon
Colin Harvey
Alan Ball
Alex Young
Tony Kay
which I guess shows my age and proves that your formulative influences remain the strongest
Martin Dobson
As has been noted, underrated by our own fans and others is a very different thing. I?ve always been interested in the former. It used to drive me mad how much the moaners got on the back of Dennis Stevens as he made that 62-5 midfield tick. A player underrated in our history, though less so at the time was Martin Dobson. In some less than inspiring mid-70s teams he often made the game bearable. Very cultured player, great ball control, decent shot ? only weakness was that he didn?t have much of a long pass in him. In the current team ? got to be Osman, at least when he?s played in the right position.
It cheers me up that I am not the only person that thought Hibbert. I hope he manages to keep up his end of season form next year.
Chris Williams
Great line up, and if you add Tommy Ring to it...you might have an idea of my vintage, too.
Great line up, and if you add Tommy Ring to it...you might have an idea of my vintage, too.
Tommy Ring?
Sounds like an old fashioned name for a knuckle duster.
Sounds like an old fashioned name for a knuckle duster.
Paul.
And if yer know yer history....
And if yer know yer history....
Sorry Ray i'm in my early 30's so he was a bit before my time and have never heard him mentioned before but I suppose he wouldnt be under-rated if I had.
Paul Rideout
Tommy Ring was what used to be called an old fashioned Scottish winger - all tricks and jinks with no great pace but would leave a succession of defenders flat on their arse. He was great for a short period of time before John Sillett of Chelsea broke his leg. He never really recovered from that.
At the same time Carey bought a right winger from Wolves called Mickey Lill who was the complete opposite - all pace and direct running who again burned brightly until injury saw him off too. He died a few years ago in Australia I think
At the same time Carey bought a right winger from Wolves called Mickey Lill who was the complete opposite - all pace and direct running who again burned brightly until injury saw him off too. He died a few years ago in Australia I think
Definitely Johnny Morrisey. No contest.
Not one mention of Gordon West? My Grandad puts him alongside Big Nev! Yet he only got 3 England caps...
Never seen either Gordon or Nev play at their peak but I tend to take what my Gramps says regarding Everton as gospel so if he thinks he was on par with Nev he was!
Never seen either Gordon or Nev play at their peak but I tend to take what my Gramps says regarding Everton as gospel so if he thinks he was on par with Nev he was!
Duncan Ferguson.
I don't think we ever really played to his strengths. Too much long ball but he was a really really good player as well which often gets overlooked.
Unplayable and probably the closest we have had to a drogba.
I don't think we ever really played to his strengths. Too much long ball but he was a really really good player as well which often gets overlooked.
Unplayable and probably the closest we have had to a drogba.
Agreed on Rideout, he scored a fair few important goals and never really got much praise.
For me one that i always liked was Daniel Amokachi. He was a powerful skillful player that we coulda maybe got more out of. Remember the semi final against spurs, he was class.
From that same FA Cup winning side there were a few who never really got the national praise they deserved.....
Joe Parkinson, Barry Horne, Matt Jackson, Graham Stuart ( diamond geezer legend ).
On another note someone should make a thread about the worst ever players to put on a blue shirt. Brett Angel springs to mind.
For me one that i always liked was Daniel Amokachi. He was a powerful skillful player that we coulda maybe got more out of. Remember the semi final against spurs, he was class.
From that same FA Cup winning side there were a few who never really got the national praise they deserved.....
Joe Parkinson, Barry Horne, Matt Jackson, Graham Stuart ( diamond geezer legend ).
On another note someone should make a thread about the worst ever players to put on a blue shirt. Brett Angel springs to mind.
Adam Cunliffe
I think one reason West had so few caps is because he turned England World Cup duty down, preferring to stay with his family instead. Blotted his copy book there, I think.
Paul David
It's OK, Paul, I know you're only a lad.
Chris Williams is bang on the money about Ring though, superb little winger of the sort Scotland used to churn out regularly. Wille Henderson, Jimmy Johnson and Willie Johnston to name a few. And our own Alex Scott although he was a fast winger who could cross the ball and not as tricky as the others mentioned here. I was sorry to hear about Micky Lill, Chris, he was a player I always liked.
I think one reason West had so few caps is because he turned England World Cup duty down, preferring to stay with his family instead. Blotted his copy book there, I think.
Paul David
It's OK, Paul, I know you're only a lad.
Chris Williams is bang on the money about Ring though, superb little winger of the sort Scotland used to churn out regularly. Wille Henderson, Jimmy Johnson and Willie Johnston to name a few. And our own Alex Scott although he was a fast winger who could cross the ball and not as tricky as the others mentioned here. I was sorry to hear about Micky Lill, Chris, he was a player I always liked.
Peter Degn or Tony Thomas
John Hurst, Richard Gough, Alan Harper, Kevin Richardson and latterly Darron Gibson
Steve Watson
Jimmy Gabriel
Dave Thomas, Ronnie Goodlass and George Wood from my teenage years - although a mention for Hurst and Morrissey from our classic team. Always thought Peter Reid was overlooked by the media and England more than he ought to have been!
Jimmy Husband,chic Meagan,Tommy Eglinton.
Andy-
Don't listen to anyone suggesting you buy a bike or a cheap car.
1.5 hours of walking a day does wonders for your body and fitness and overall health. if you have the time, and clearly you do
keep walking!
well done man!
Don't listen to anyone suggesting you buy a bike or a cheap car.
1.5 hours of walking a day does wonders for your body and fitness and overall health. if you have the time, and clearly you do
keep walking!
well done man!
Mick Lyons-he would run through walls for the blues and stick his head in the way of a boot to stop the opposition. I remember him jumping through 3 defenders to get his head on a corner and they ended up on the deck and he landed on his feet-that brought the biggest roar of the game. Lyon(s) by name Lion by nature.
Duncan McKenzie-the most skillful player i have seen wear the shirt. The fans loved him and in the Gordon Lee days he he was the only reason to watch.
Duncan McKenzie-the most skillful player i have seen wear the shirt. The fans loved him and in the Gordon Lee days he he was the only reason to watch.
Ray, Dave Thomas and Big Bob were usually worth watching too.......
Brian-spot on-.I should not have said the only reason to watch. I over cooked that one
Dave Thomas-socks around the ankles flying down the wing-cross Big Bad Bob flies in and GOAL!!!!! I need to lie down.
Dave Thomas-socks around the ankles flying down the wing-cross Big Bad Bob flies in and GOAL!!!!! I need to lie down.
Roy Vernon - the best if only for a few years and training on fags and beer but what a player!
Drenthe?
I'll get me coat...
I'll get me coat...
In the 20 years of Premier League history, Leon Osman by a country mile!
Quick quiz - what season did John ebbrell debut?
@ Ian - was it 1988/89?
I remember seeing him play at Luton in 1991 when he was England U21 captain and he looked a real prospect. He was a victim of injuries and being in a poor team. I felt so sorry for him when he didn't make the '95 final.
I remember seeing him play at Luton in 1991 when he was England U21 captain and he looked a real prospect. He was a victim of injuries and being in a poor team. I felt so sorry for him when he didn't make the '95 final.
I thought Ebbrell was playing really well before he was sold.
Johnny Morrissey, John Hurst, Mark Higgins, Steve Sergeant, Alan Whittle (prob not so underated I suppose), 'Tiger' McLaughlin, GARY JONES, David Smallman (ever so briefly) and Special Agent John 'Dick' Barton - a quality right back for a while.
BTW Earlier shouts of Mountfield, Richo, Harps and Inchy are spot on as well.
BTW Earlier shouts of Mountfield, Richo, Harps and Inchy are spot on as well.
Saw my first game in 1969; my list of the "underrated" (although not by me) through the decades:-
David Johnson (first time around)
Roger Kenyon
Howard Kendall (no England caps??)
Mick Lyons
Gary Jones (on his day he could go past people effortlessly, joy to watch)
Mark Higgins
Ken McNaught
Mick Pejic
Martin Dobson
John Bailey
Peter Eastoe
Alan Harper (would'nt DM just love him?)
Psycho Pat
Paul Bracewell (pure quality)
Paul Wilkinson (great back-up striker)
Barry Horne
Gary Ablett
Paul Rideout
Graham Stuart
Tommy Gravesen
Steve Watson
Lee Carsley
Thomasz Radzinsky (great speed and some great goals when you look back)
Kevin Campbell
Richard Gough
David Weir
Alan Stubbs (who could forget his last derby game?)
Nigel Martyn
Nuno Valente (cultured when fit)
Leon Osman's dad (I played in the same team as him a few times, he was better than his son).
David Johnson (first time around)
Roger Kenyon
Howard Kendall (no England caps??)
Mick Lyons
Gary Jones (on his day he could go past people effortlessly, joy to watch)
Mark Higgins
Ken McNaught
Mick Pejic
Martin Dobson
John Bailey
Peter Eastoe
Alan Harper (would'nt DM just love him?)
Psycho Pat
Paul Bracewell (pure quality)
Paul Wilkinson (great back-up striker)
Barry Horne
Gary Ablett
Paul Rideout
Graham Stuart
Tommy Gravesen
Steve Watson
Lee Carsley
Thomasz Radzinsky (great speed and some great goals when you look back)
Kevin Campbell
Richard Gough
David Weir
Alan Stubbs (who could forget his last derby game?)
Nigel Martyn
Nuno Valente (cultured when fit)
Leon Osman's dad (I played in the same team as him a few times, he was better than his son).
In the 'modern' era then deffo John Hurst. Compared to Hurst, Franz Beckenbaur looked like he was walking through treacle.
But pre war then from what I've heard from the old fellas, its TG Jones. Didn't Stanley Mathews say he was the best player he ever saw?
But pre war then from what I've heard from the old fellas, its TG Jones. Didn't Stanley Mathews say he was the best player he ever saw?
sorry, I meant pre 'Suez' War ...
Andrew - apparently played a cup match in 86, but played league when you said. I was way out, thought he was 90s.
Still technically an Everton player: Joseph Yobo.
Recent past players: David Unsworth
Recent past players: David Unsworth
Here here Alex.
@ Ian
That was a wild guess from me but wow we brought him in young if he was playing in '86.
Okay then, one for you. When did Tony Grant make his debut?
That was a wild guess from me but wow we brought him in young if he was playing in '86.
Okay then, one for you. When did Tony Grant make his debut?
Tony Grant,what happened to him?His long range passing was excellent,I remember him setting up Kanchelskis for fun away at Blackburn.
Peter Beagrie gets my vote. I thought he was a great talent and very entertaining.
He was a victim of the times and injury, a little like Ebbrell. I had great hopes for him, even getting his name on the back of my shirt after seeing him play for the first time.
Listen, I know people moan about Osman, Hibbert and Anichebe but it says a lot of Moyes that these guys stick in our squad. We clearly had the talent in the '90's with Grant, O'Connor, Cadamateri, Ball and Jeffers but none of them graduated to having top flight careers. Jeffers, aged 18, was twice the striker Anichebe is as was Cadamateri but, for some reason, they all failed to progress. (Funnily enough Gavin McGann and Richard Dunne actually did ok after leaving us but questions must be asked as to why we deprived ourselves of a decent Irish international centre back for a decade)
Rhino was the exception. I loved that guy, if only he had believed in himself he would have been a top class player.
Listen, I know people moan about Osman, Hibbert and Anichebe but it says a lot of Moyes that these guys stick in our squad. We clearly had the talent in the '90's with Grant, O'Connor, Cadamateri, Ball and Jeffers but none of them graduated to having top flight careers. Jeffers, aged 18, was twice the striker Anichebe is as was Cadamateri but, for some reason, they all failed to progress. (Funnily enough Gavin McGann and Richard Dunne actually did ok after leaving us but questions must be asked as to why we deprived ourselves of a decent Irish international centre back for a decade)
Rhino was the exception. I loved that guy, if only he had believed in himself he would have been a top class player.
Denis #058
my old fella who is now 86 and has followed the Blues since the early 1930's says TG Jones was the best player he ever saw besides Duncan Edwards of "Busby babe" fame.
Adam #983
Westy was a great GK and a real character but Neville Southall was the best Keeper in the world for a number of years.
Even with one on ones you would always expect big Nev to come out on top.
my old fella who is now 86 and has followed the Blues since the early 1930's says TG Jones was the best player he ever saw besides Duncan Edwards of "Busby babe" fame.
Adam #983
Westy was a great GK and a real character but Neville Southall was the best Keeper in the world for a number of years.
Even with one on ones you would always expect big Nev to come out on top.
Gary Ablett.
Geoff Nulty - we signed him as a midfielder and he was feckin hopeless. Then (Gordon Lee I think) switched him to sweeper and he looked like Beckenbauer for a few games until Jimmy S...house Case dogged him in a Goodison derby.
Never the same again.
Funnily enough the said J S Case was at a Christmas do I was at a couple of years ago. All the RS supporters were fawning over him, needless to say under the affluence of incohol I felt the urge to point out his thug like tackle on our Geoff. To be fair he took it pretty well, at least he didnt knock me out anyway!
Never the same again.
Funnily enough the said J S Case was at a Christmas do I was at a couple of years ago. All the RS supporters were fawning over him, needless to say under the affluence of incohol I felt the urge to point out his thug like tackle on our Geoff. To be fair he took it pretty well, at least he didnt knock me out anyway!
Guy #843 - Bobby Mimms ?
Hans Segers did more for the club !
Hans Segers did more for the club !
Off topic.. ( feel free to move it Michael, Lyndon )
Just seen the new Nike Barca kits.. anyone of you guys know if ours will be similar ?
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/barcelona-kits-break-tradition-152627690.html
Just seen the new Nike Barca kits.. anyone of you guys know if ours will be similar ?
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/barcelona-kits-break-tradition-152627690.html
Eddie Cavanagh
Well someone put Hibbert so I thought we were having a laugh, and Eddie made us laugh almost as much as the last goal scored for Everton this season
Steve Sweeney - what was that Jimmy Husband chant done to?
Enjoyed this thread but as a supporter dating back to the sixties where do you start.
Sir Alf Ramsey was quite rightly sacked by England in 70's.A direct result of picking shite like Mullery and Storey instead of Harvey and Kendal.
Off topic I now but one giant underated figure from the the sixties was one Harry Catterick.
Sir Alf Ramsey was quite rightly sacked by England in 70's.A direct result of picking shite like Mullery and Storey instead of Harvey and Kendal.
Off topic I now but one giant underated figure from the the sixties was one Harry Catterick.
For me it was Peter Reid.....can you imagine what it meant to the players around him to have him on their side? He ate rusty nails in his porridge!
Derek - since Steve Sweeney may have disappeared from the thread ...
The tune was, "Trumpet Voluntary", I believe.
The tune was, "Trumpet Voluntary", I believe.
Thanks Tony. Would you know Tommy Wright's one as well?
I remember Tommy Wright scoring a goal against Forest in a 1-0 win at Goodison. Will we ever see Tony Hibber score one, I wonder?
Jimmy Husband was mentioned above as not recovering mentally from Dave McKay's tackle. I saw it and rate it as the most dangerous career destroying I have ever witnessed.
Young Jimmy was just starting to catch the international selectors' eye when McKay almost cut him in half with a waist high two footed lunge. The nearest to that horrendous assault was Stevie GBH on Naismith.
Husband and Naismith were many months on the injured list and never fully recovered their previous form.
Young Jimmy was just starting to catch the international selectors' eye when McKay almost cut him in half with a waist high two footed lunge. The nearest to that horrendous assault was Stevie GBH on Naismith.
Husband and Naismith were many months on the injured list and never fully recovered their previous form.
For me , Martin Dobson, John Hurst and Dave Thomas... with Alan Harper and Kevin Richardson close behind.
Harpo and Richardson filled in seamlessly whenever called upon and were as instrumental, in our mid 80s domination, as any of the established names.
Steven Pienaar in his first spell. So many Blues felt he wasn't worth the same wages as Arteta and were quick to write off his importance to the team. Funny how few noticed the level of football dropped significantly when he left and coincidentally improved dramatically when he returned. If we don't get him back our level will drop significantly again next season (note the cup semi-final) and still most will scratch their heads and ask Why?
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Osman may not have a great shot, but you can't question his work ethic. Although I'm not a fan of our workman-like team, I respect his never-say-die attitude and technically, he is a very good player. Fast feet, accurate passing and an ability to play anywhere in midfield.
Distin has been our most consistent player of the last two seasons. I was not a fan of him from the start, however over the last two seasons, he is the reason that our defence is so solid (along with Heitinga). I find it incredible at such an old age, he continuously out-paces the league's elite forwards. His best game was keeping the in-form Tevez quiet when we beat them on their own turf (mind you we were the last team to do that!). I thought that was the best display of an Everton player in the last 4/5 seasons.