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The rehabilitation of Joey Barton

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Although I have never met Joey Barton, all that I have read and heard about him makes me dislike him. He appears to be a thug and a bully. He is a decent enough player but not half as good as he thinks he is. His twitter musings demonstrate exactly why most footballers really shouldn't have access to it.

For many, his behaviour on the last day of the season was the final straw and should result in his sacking, banning for ever, etc. That surprises me because it's not the worst he's done. He left no-one with career threatening injuries and the reaction of the two City players must surely leave them feeling highly embarrassed.

For some time I believed that Barton was changing. I was particularly impressed with the restraint he showed when Mick McCarthy disgracefully instructed his Wolves team to take it in turns to kick him off the pitch. I think that anyone is capable of changing ? and that includes Joey Barton.

He probably has one more chance to save his career and I think that Everton could give him that chance. A reformed Barton could offer Everton a bit of steel and menace that has been missing for some time. His attitude to defeat reminds me a bit of Roy Keane. He will come much cheaper than he would have a few years ago.

David Moyes will tolerate no shit from any player. I believe we could come to a no-lose arrangement that could benefit Everton and Barton. Give him one more chance...

Andy Crooks, Belfast     Posted 24/05/2012 at 18:01:07

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Kevin Sparke
517   Posted 24/05/2012 at 21:18:20

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It would have disaster written all over it. For three reasons:

1. One of the things Moyes gets very right is team spirit - Barton is an individualist playing a team game. He's split every dressing room he's ever been in.

2. He's turned down every opportunity he's been given and the only guarantee you'll ever get from Barton is he's guaranteed to fuck up again.

3. His use of twitter. Most footballers dabble but our Joey specialises in using it to wind people up - I can't imagine Moyes putting up with that.

No, no... absolutely no

Stan Sheppard
518   Posted 24/05/2012 at 21:28:25

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No, no a thousand time no. You said it yourself, total scumbag who has not learned his lessons.

Past his best and probably not good enough for the Goodison bench.

How many last chances has he had now?

Andrew James
520   Posted 24/05/2012 at 21:25:45

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Not sure about this one Andy. Although I sense he would give his all for the shirt and might just have that little more of an incentive not to make mistakes, I cannot see Moyes wanting someone in his team who did what he did to that lad in Liverpool. It was a horrible and cowardly attack.

He would have to change a lot, starting with his Tweets.

Cannot see it I'm afraid.

Mark Tanton
521   Posted 24/05/2012 at 21:33:22

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Another problem, despite all those already mentioned is his ban. Everton football club would never sign a player who was ineligible until twelve games in, we're not in a position for such luxury. I have been, in the past, keen for him to come here but not anymore. We have stayed away from him, and that decision has turned out to be the right one.
Paul David
522   Posted 24/05/2012 at 21:28:29

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I thought he looked a really good player at City but he looks half the player now.It wouldnt matter how much ability he had anyway,towing the line matters more to Moyes,not that I want him anyway.
Ian Bennett
524   Posted 24/05/2012 at 21:34:17

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Not a chance.

He can have a pint in the black horse with Andy van der meyde, but that's the nearest he should get to Goodison.

Lyndon Lloyd
525   Posted 24/05/2012 at 21:44:41

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He probably has one more chance to save his career and I think that Everton could give him that chance.
Never in a million years.
Chris Owens
526   Posted 24/05/2012 at 21:34:13

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We could move just down the road from Goodison to the Big House on Hornby Road to make him and his lovely family feel at home.
Jamie Sweet
532   Posted 24/05/2012 at 21:44:13

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You're right, Moyes doesn't take any shit which is why this is a bad idea.

Joey Barton would almost certainly fuck up and give Moyes some shit... and then he'll be dropped quicker than you can say "isn't that your car there Royston?" and become a very expensive, very disruptive bench warmer

Guy Hastings
537   Posted 24/05/2012 at 21:57:44

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In A Tale of Two Cities, Sydney Carton gains redemption for past sins by having his head sliced off. I suspect it would take more than that for Barton to redeem himself.
Dennis Stevens
540   Posted 24/05/2012 at 21:59:43

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I don't think he'd be the ideal replacement for Fellaini.
Anthony Jaras
541   Posted 24/05/2012 at 22:03:42

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With all due respect.......are you mental?
Drew O'Neall
544   Posted 24/05/2012 at 22:07:46

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Immature little wanker.

Drew O'Neall
545   Posted 24/05/2012 at 22:11:07

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Jamie Sweet 532 - classic!
Peter Mills
551   Posted 24/05/2012 at 22:20:58

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Joey Barton, just who we need.

6 words that will never leave my mouth.

Amusing wind up Andy.

Ciarán McGlone
566   Posted 24/05/2012 at 22:52:01

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Haha...nice one Andy.

I could just see it now. He'd ditch Twitter and he'd be on here spreading his pseudo intellectual garbage and treating Morrisey lyrics like Shakespeare.

Mike Allison
569   Posted 24/05/2012 at 23:03:15

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I'm guessing we all expected someone to write this article at some point but no-one did, and Andy couldn't stand it any longer so did it himself.

Unfortunately you've used your real name (or have you...?) which may affect your credibility in discussions people do take seriously.

Never. Never. Never.

I would question your Evertonian credentials if I hadn't read so many of your other posts Andy. So come on, say sorry, or tell us who stole your log in details.

Dick Fearon
572   Posted 24/05/2012 at 22:43:48

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Barton's type exist at all levels of the game. The starting whistle is a signal for their ugly aggressive nature to come to the fore.

I have witnessed a number of unprovoked disgusting violent assaults upon opponents that, if committed on the street, would see the perpetrator get a lengthy jail term. Surely it is the duty of a law officer who sees such things to make an arrest, even during the match.

As chairman of our local P&D board I tried without success to kick such characters out of the game. What swung others on the board to my way of thinking was when a typical victim successfully sued a P&D board for allowing a repeat offender to continue with his depredations.
Stephen Leary
573   Posted 24/05/2012 at 23:18:25

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Not to mention... he's shit!!!
Eugene Ruane
575   Posted 24/05/2012 at 23:14:32

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Moyes after reading Joey's tweets..

"Morag, de yer ken a guy named Nietzsche? Yon daft boy Barton's goan on aboot him again on that twitting webnet thing. I have a feelin' he's a right-back wi' the German 3rd division side Slipslöppen Slydde"

Garry Corgan
576   Posted 24/05/2012 at 23:28:01

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I would never watch Everton while they were paying his wages.

I'd rather lick Steven Gerrard's puckered arsehole than sign Barton...

Disgrace of a player, disgrace of a man. He should be sacked and charged with assault.

Mark Riding
585   Posted 25/05/2012 at 01:00:05

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I would have taken a gamble a few years back, but not now.

If Im honest though.. I can see why it maybe quite tempting to stick Tevez on his arse, then stick his Argie mate on his arse.. and its a shame Balotelli had second thoughts about running onto the pitch..
Dunc got a stretch for less remember !

Andy Crooks
586   Posted 25/05/2012 at 00:58:41

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I'm not surprised at the responses nor can I ridicule any of them. Joey Barton must change or his career is finished, I believe we have nothing to lose by giving him one last chance. People can change and in a dressing room with Moyes, Neville and,yes ,still, Cahill I don't believe he would have a malignant influence. Also, Duncan Ferguson might be around to put an arm round the shoulder and tell him what just might be for him if he commits to Everton and does the right thing.
Saegaran Kana
592   Posted 25/05/2012 at 03:11:59

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Lets not rock the boat..we don't need and egoistic player with a very short fuse.
John Daley
593   Posted 25/05/2012 at 03:17:57

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Joey Barton? I'd rather sign fucking Greengrass from Heartbeat. He get's into less scrapes, has more wit and character (even though he's only spouting lines from a script possibly penned by an eight yr old) and doesn't look quite as dishevelled as Barton.


The handful of people who suggest Joey Barton is actually some kind of misunderstood intellectual are probably the only fuckwits on earth ever to buy this book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brookside-Jimmy-Corkhill-Story/dp/0752208462

"Brookside: The Jimmy Corkhill Story" - A novelization featuring the story of Jimmy Corkhill, a central character in Channel 4's soap opera, "Brookside". His life is one of shady dealings, robbery, murder and drug addiction.


Dostoevsky pales in comparison Joey lad.

John Daley
595   Posted 25/05/2012 at 03:30:42

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Just in case anyone is interested in purchasing the forgotten masterpiece mentioned above, it was penned by 'Rachel Braverman' whose others works include the quite brilliant "Journals of Beth Jordache" and, erm, fuck all else.
Ryan Rosenberg
596   Posted 25/05/2012 at 03:31:27

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Why does he have another chance? He doesn't, and he is exactly what we DON'T need. I'd rather Rodwell develop than see this guy get a red in the last 5 minutes of a derby when we are 1-0 up, then lose 1-2. No.
Spragg Johnson
598   Posted 25/05/2012 at 03:54:14

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Anyone who loves The Smiths as much as he does can't be all bad ... but we don't need him ... central midfield stocks of Gibson, Fellaini, Rodwell and Barkley look pretty decent ... money well spent - elsewhere.
Peter Davies
609   Posted 25/05/2012 at 06:44:37

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Joey Barton!!!! No,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no...NEVER
Anthony Newell
613   Posted 25/05/2012 at 07:03:06

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The only thing I would let Duncan do is put an arm round his shoulder and break his fucking neck

The fact that he goes on Twitter pretending (or believing) to be some kind of modern day intellectual gives you the insight you need into his warped and deluded persona

A fucked up, deluded, violent, disruptive thug - and for that reason I'm out

Anthony Hughes
619   Posted 25/05/2012 at 07:53:06

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How many "one more chances" can this despicable human being want.
No thanks.
Phil Roberts
625   Posted 25/05/2012 at 08:07:41

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In his defence, I have been away and so yesterday was finally able to watch MOTD from the last day of the season and Tevez smacked him first so it was actually retaliation and what I would suggest incensed him was Tevez getting him sent off by playing the dying swan. Barton then just plain lost it as the red mist descended.

But it is still a no way.

And can someone please tell me why Carroll was not sent off for his reaction to a foul when he put his hands on the guys neck and threw him to the ground.

Oh and one last comment on the MOTD. Rightly Lineker said it was a strange season as the little clubs often beat the big clubs. Too right, those reds beat us 3 times.

Chris Matheson
626   Posted 25/05/2012 at 08:31:09

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Would we be saying this if Joey Barton had not professed to be a boyhood Evertonian? It's like saying, I don't know... It's like saying that if you stood in the Boys Pen as a lad that qualifies you to be Chairman of the Club's Board.

Barton is a destructive, disruptive influence. We have very little money at present. Let's spend it wisely. Barton? Never.

Richard Reeves
628   Posted 25/05/2012 at 08:16:28

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The benefits of having Barton are:

1) He speaks his mind and could be a nightmare for the board,
2) Although being only half as good as he thinks he is,he is still a good player.

The disadvantages are:

1) It is more than probable he will bring shame on the club.
2) His wages will be high.

Personally, I cannot stand the deluded fool. I think he is a little evil racist bastard from a family of evil racist bastards and wouldn't let him have the privilege of wearing the shirt.

Phil McKeown
638   Posted 25/05/2012 at 09:27:00

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About time someone volleyed one of our simulating south American cousins.
James Cadwaladr
644   Posted 25/05/2012 at 09:46:51

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I used to play six-a-side with Barton's cousin and, on a couple of occasions back in his Man City days, he came down and joined in. Clearly he was different class to the rest of us, all of whom could play a bit... but, rather than take it steady, the second time he came down he went straight through the back of another lad, about 5 seconds late, and then got up and started screaming at him whilst the lad lay on the floor. His language was viscous.

5 minutes later he was sat on the touchline crying and walked over to the other lad and couldn't apologise enough.

I hate to say it but the lad is unhinged. Real Jeckyll and Hyde.

We shouldn't go anywhere near him.

Sam Morrison
647   Posted 25/05/2012 at 09:57:09

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Just to add to the general consensus on here: no way. He's had his chances and blown them every time.
Chris Green
649   Posted 25/05/2012 at 10:13:53

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Anthony Jaras (541) - my sentiments exactly..... think I would rather stick rusty pins in my eyes than watch him wear our shirt...
Mike Allison
651   Posted 25/05/2012 at 10:30:40

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"What I would suggest incensed him was Tevez getting him sent off by playing the dying swan."

Phil, that's not a very good argument even before you remember Barton getting Gervinho sent off last August. How can he be so indignant about something he does himself and then defends afterwards?

Craig Walker
676   Posted 25/05/2012 at 12:38:27

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If he signed for Everton then I would stop supporting them until he left.

I don't want to bring my lad up looking up to a mindless, overpaid thug like him

I love Everton to bits but some things I value a bit more than cheering on someone in a blue shirt who I despise.

Ryan Holroyd
677   Posted 25/05/2012 at 12:48:44

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I'm with you Craig. He's a disgusting individual who has no place at EFC. I'd rather support Liverpool than have Barton in a blue shirt.
Andy Crooks
679   Posted 25/05/2012 at 13:03:41

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I think I'm safe in saying that the thought of signing Joey Barton isn't an issue that appears do divide Evertonians.
James Stewart
682   Posted 25/05/2012 at 13:10:38

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Tosser of the highest order and really isn't very good either! A liability and what he did on the last day of the season says it all. Can't be trusted no thanks
Chris Hockenhull
686   Posted 25/05/2012 at 13:25:49

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Totally agree with all the comments regard us ever signing him. Oh what a wonderful PR stunt it would look to the Walker family seeing blue shirts around the city with 'BARTON' emblazed upon the back. And yes some knobheads would wear them!!
Matt Traynor
687   Posted 25/05/2012 at 13:31:19

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Andy #679, something tells me that you expected this reaction from the outset.
Tony J Williams
688   Posted 25/05/2012 at 13:23:46

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If we signed him I would offer him the same support as the other players for Everton FC. We had a player who is called a legend who did time, punched and strangled who he wanted and caused GBH on burglars.

Nasty charachter but sometimes you need them type of players, Cahill is the same, niggly little bastard who puts players off their game by little fouls here and there.

Tthe one thing if he ever signed for us would be for Moyes to get his twatter account cancelled. he needs to shut the fuck up.

Paul Gladwell
691   Posted 25/05/2012 at 13:43:47

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Haven't we wasted enough money on being a rehab club for pissheads, dickheads and narks who put football second? Drenthe, Andy van der Meyde, Gazza, Jeffers etc... Let the prick rot on Twitter. Leopards don't change spots.
Julian Wait
693   Posted 25/05/2012 at 13:55:55

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No
Dave Wilson
699   Posted 25/05/2012 at 14:25:59

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Maybe we should sign him?

A Midfield trio of Cahill, Barton and Neville.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

Eugene Ruane
703   Posted 25/05/2012 at 15:02:00

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Rumour doing the rounds says he's found a new club already and will be joining in July.

He says he won't reveal the name of the club (something about the club's 'first rule' is you don't talk about it)

Paul Joy
706   Posted 25/05/2012 at 15:08:09

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Everyone deserves a 2nd chance even Joey Barton.
Problem is daft Joey takes the piss out of this theory as he is up to his 34th chance and counting.

But the main reason I would'nt touch him with a bargepole is he is just not very good at football which is what he is supposed to do.

Stephen Kenny
730   Posted 25/05/2012 at 17:41:10

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I personally don't see too much wrong with what he's done.

Tevez made a right meal of a bit of a tangle and then, once he knew he was off, he tried to 'do' City's best player to give his side a better chance of staying up.

Nothing you don't see on any given park on any given Sunday.

I don't want him at Everton but all this faux outrage makes me laugh, or cringe.

Jim Harrison
737   Posted 25/05/2012 at 17:49:35

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The guy's a prick and not good enough. Moyes would never sign him.
Andy Crooks
741   Posted 25/05/2012 at 18:22:04

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Matt, I did expect this response and I could say it was a devious post intended to get this reaction. Unfortunately I'm not clever enough for that sort of stuff. It was no wind up and I meant what I said.

Joey Barton, and yes I agree he has been pure poison, might change. I believe that his best chance of doing that is at Everton. It won't happen, the outcry would be too great and I respect the views of those who would find his signing utterly unpalatable. Someone might benefit from him, I just ask why not us?

There seems to be a lot of concern about his cretinous, toe curling twitter stuff. Being thick, and Joey Barton by all accounts is really thick, is not a crime. If Joey Barton goes elsewhere and fucks up again then, and feel free to remind me, I will eat a large helping of humble pie.

Brian Waring
744   Posted 25/05/2012 at 18:36:37

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I sort of agree with Stephen Kenny.

Tevez lashed out first, and then made a meal of it when Barton retaliated. Lescott pushed Barton in the face as he was going off, Kompany ran over to him and had a go, as did Balotelli.

Wouldn't have minded him a couple of seasons ago, not now though.

Stephen Kenny
749   Posted 25/05/2012 at 18:46:51

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Had a feeling I might be on my own with that one Bri.

Balotelli's official twitter is full of abuse for Barton. Anyone on there add Mario and have a look at his tweets, they are comic genius!

Mike Green
757   Posted 25/05/2012 at 19:15:25

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Andy - not a bad shout, I say we take a punt.

How about pairing him up with Diouf.....? It might just work......!

The sun is shining and we're discussing inconsequential shit on TW....... Aaaaaah.... The closed season is most definitely here!

Thank God for beer.

Mike Green
760   Posted 25/05/2012 at 19:27:29

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Stephen Kenny - there a lot to be said for your point.

Tevezs was climbing all over him, Barton gives him an old fashioned 'get lost mate' and we know the rest. I'm not too bothered with Barton's reaction, I think Tevezs and Aguerros were far worse, where he let's himself down is by not putting his hands up and saying fair cop and leaving the field. Then he gets his hands on an I-phone and makes things 10 times worse. He lives, breathes, votes and shops in the Land of the Nutter.

Kevin Hudson
761   Posted 25/05/2012 at 18:53:31

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Stephen Kenny (730)

Terrific post.

The High Horse Brigade need to watch a replay of the recent State of Origin match between Queensland & NSW, in which a mass brawl, (and a proper one too) broke out.

The result? A quick sin-binning, and like real men do, they just got on with the match.

Post-game there was a glaring absence of hysteria concerning the incident, no shrill calls for the players concerned to receive stiff penalties or staggeringly disproportionate fines; and certainly no smug condescension from fans of other clubs via the internet afterwards.

Barton's a toe-rag. He's destructive. Big deal.

Good enough for Everton? I don't even rate him as a player anymore, and could frankly give two hoots about the man's character.

Andy Crooks
764   Posted 25/05/2012 at 19:57:52

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Welcome back, Kevin. Mike, fair point, but it's all relative; according to my wife everything to do with football is inconsequential shit.
Barry Rathbone
766   Posted 25/05/2012 at 20:09:02

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I'd give him a chance if he was any good.

As I would any decent player who wasn't a murderer, rapist etc (incidently I'd give Drenthe another go on the same basis).

Selling your soul to the devil is still cheaper than Kenwright's asking price.

Tom Bowers
772   Posted 25/05/2012 at 20:37:22

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Barton is a thug!!! Yes he can play a bit but he has a short fuse and similar to many others who have gone before him á la Vinnie Jones.

They just hate any other player who has more skill than them and as in Ice Hockey they become enforcers but are always proclaiming their innocence. I say good riddance to players like him along with all the play-actors who clutch their faces when they are tackled even though the face wasn't touched.

Those kind of players are giving soccer a bad name.
Ben Jones
778   Posted 25/05/2012 at 21:23:40

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Central midfield is our strongest area of the team, we already have Fellaini, Gibson and Rodwell.

What would be the point getting a centre midfielder anyway, as well as a horrible dirty twat like Barton.

What annoys me about him is he has been given enough chances. He's done multiple things on and off the pitch. I'd just sack him off the football pitch all together.

Matt Traynor
788   Posted 25/05/2012 at 22:22:05

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Andy, Stephen, I see your points. And it's a tough one. The guy's got form, etc, and he wouldn't be cheap. Put that away from whether you think he's a good player or not.

On 5 live now, Stephen Nolan is hosting a debate as to whether Luke McCormack, the goalie who killed 2 kids when he was pissed up, should be allowed to continue his career with Swindon Town upon his release next month.

And there's outrage. Apparently, any other lag can continue to do whatever when released. But a pro footballer? Not at all.

Jimmy Sørheim
819   Posted 26/05/2012 at 04:40:43

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Joey Barton is just not good enough to come here and raise our game. Much rather we signed Drenthe who we actually need, he gives us an alternative on both wings, all Joey Barton does is get mad and fight. Drenthe is 3 times the player then Barton!!!!

Go Drenthe, who knows he probably hides around the corner. :-)
Stephen Kenny
876   Posted 26/05/2012 at 11:35:43

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Perhaps the BU should get on the case about Drenthe.... eh Jimmy?

FFS he's a stinking pisshead. Have you got a valve missing?

Brian Waring
881   Posted 26/05/2012 at 11:47:50

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Jimmy, I'm begining to think your Drenthe's agent!
Al Reddish
885   Posted 26/05/2012 at 12:25:25

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Sign Barton on a pay as you play deal. Play him just once in the Derby and tell him to maim Carragher and Gerrard. Then jettison the orrible little wanker out of Goodison on one of those medieval catapults.
Viv Sharma
891   Posted 26/05/2012 at 13:17:37

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DO NOT SIGN JOEY BARTON.
Andy Crooks
908   Posted 26/05/2012 at 14:59:13

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I got a phone call his morning from a friend who is an Evertonian. He visits toffeeeweb but doesn't post. He was appalled at what I had written and referred me to some you tube links about Joey Barton. I have looked at them and, frankly, I feel utterly embarrassed.

I have thought of e-mailing Michael Kenrick and asking him if this thread could somehow vanish. But... I'll take it on the chin. First of all may I say that my post was genuine: no wind-up, no ulterior motive. I believe that Barton's punishment was out of proportion to his crime. However, I cannot defend what I have just seen. The only thing I can offer in defence is that, hearing about appalling behaviour is a long way from seeing it.

Michael Kenrick
915   Posted 26/05/2012 at 16:28:05

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I wouldn't let anyone make you feel bad about this, Andy. On one level, it's the kind of gamble a poor club like Everton could perhaps justify. However, I have the feeling that Moyes would never risk it; he doesn't seem to sign players with 'strong' personalities.
Thomas Lennon
010   Posted 27/05/2012 at 11:54:56

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We need steel, not a removable plank. Barton would be seen as the weakest link, wound up (even easier now) and red carded.
Stephen Kenny
015   Posted 27/05/2012 at 12:15:34

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Andy,

,There's a player revered by many inside GP that was ten times more violent that Barton and ten times the liability on the pitch.

No need to be embarrassed as it appears football has sunk low enough to see fit to embrace sex cases, racists and murderers for the sake of saving a few quid.

People have a right to earn a living and if football's your trade then that will come with a public outcry that's part jealousy and part revulsion at the money involved.

The fact is Barton hasn't done anything lower than attacking an innocent man in a bar because he wouldn't play a song you like, I doubt any would refuse Gerrard if he was on a free.

Andy Meighan
245   Posted 29/05/2012 at 09:49:19

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We don't hate you, Joey... you're just not that good.

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