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Manuel Fernandes is available on a free. Would you bring him to Everton? Given that we have released a number of players and we now should have some room on the wage bill. Would you like to see Manuel Fernandes back in blue shirt ?

Remember his goal against Man Utd? & How he took the piss out of the Arsenal midfield at Goodison
Lloyd Farrell, Huyton     Posted 25/05/2012 at 23:57:15

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Jordan Marsh
796   Posted 26/05/2012 at 00:24:37

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Without a doubt. He would provide class and creativity.
Andy Crooks
797   Posted 26/05/2012 at 00:25:10

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Does anyone know what his recent form has been like?
Roman Sidey
799   Posted 26/05/2012 at 00:28:40

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Watched a Besiktas game earlier this season hand he seemed to still know how to play.

I've agreed with a lot of posts earlier about us having too many central players, but his signing would be a shrewd move, with him, Gibson and Fellaini offering a very talented and balanced midfield.

Lloyd Farrell
800   Posted 26/05/2012 at 00:31:36

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@Andy (797)

Not sure, I was going to say have a look at YouTube, but YouTube could make Victor look impressive...

But just in case you wanted to see, here is a link to a pretty decent goal by the lad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=Z_OH6eBi7aY

Peter Laing
804   Posted 26/05/2012 at 00:41:00

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Very impressive in his first spell on loan - the Man Utd and Arsenal games as mentioned by Lloyd the stand-out moments. Seem to recall that Everton tried to sign him up permanently but the issue became complicated due to third party ownership and he opted to sign a new and more lucrative contract with Valencia. The following season when he came back on loan Manny was a dissapointment, his attitude was seemingly an issue and Moyes obviously decided against in chasing his signature on a permanent basis. Given the fact that he is still only 26 and available on a free it would be worth a punt in my opinion, the only down-side would probably be his wage demands.
James Flynn
806   Posted 26/05/2012 at 01:23:17

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Don't know him. Is he any good?
James Stewart
807   Posted 26/05/2012 at 01:29:27

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A class act who has lost his way. Perfect time for Moyes to polish another diamond. Classy player; I would love to see him back.
Mike Green
808   Posted 26/05/2012 at 01:36:04

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Personally I thought he was rubbish, was glad we never signed him, could never see it.
Scott Stevenson
809   Posted 26/05/2012 at 01:37:16

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He's got to be a better shout than Faddy was... a complete waste of wages.
Eric Myles
811   Posted 26/05/2012 at 01:46:41

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Well with no Pienaar and no Drenthe for next season he'd be worth a chance.
Kase Chow
818   Posted 26/05/2012 at 02:26:14

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No chance. He turned us down at the last minute.

Next time round he was average at best.

Poor attitude, poor application. Fancy-Dan luxury player who will stand out in (at best) 4-5 games a season.

Let's move on please.

Shane Corcoran
822   Posted 26/05/2012 at 07:07:09

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Would be hard to accept him back after the way he ditched us but he's free and he was still quality just before he fell out of favour at Valencia. I can't believe he's still only 26. I'd go for him but I reckon there'll be plenty of takers.
Spencer Ramsay
824   Posted 26/05/2012 at 07:17:39

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On a free at the right wages I'd take him back! We need a bit of depth in creativity in the middle as we've never replaced Arteta!
Gareth Humphreys
825   Posted 26/05/2012 at 07:22:45

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Does no one remember who completely and utterly garbage he was in his second spell?

Alan Clarke
836   Posted 26/05/2012 at 08:11:13

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Now I can get the BBQ out, stick the beers in the fridge and dip my feet in the paddling pool. Hooray summer is here, we've another bring back Manny post!
Paul Ellam
837   Posted 26/05/2012 at 08:13:29

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Maybe they could get him in for a couple of weeks to see how he trains etc and then make a decision. As a free transfer, he may be worth the gamble anyway but I didn't like the way he stitched us up before and it makes me wonder how committed to us he would be. Still, Pienaar also did a number on us and now we all love him again! Funny ol' game eh?
Wayne Smyth
838   Posted 26/05/2012 at 08:08:31

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I'd have him back.

Centre mid is probably one of our stronger positions, but even if he only played as well as he can for a handful of games, he'd still contribute far more than some of the players Moyes plays at centre mid.

If Moyes can get him playing regularly and well then its possible he could be sold on in a year or two for a fat profit having given us a few seasons of quality in the middle....or maybe he'll end up staying longer term. Worth a risk anyhow since he's free, potentially quality and we have no money.

Kevin Sparke
839   Posted 26/05/2012 at 08:28:33

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It depends which Manny Fernandes turns up. If it's the kid full of running and bright ideas we had in the first spell - I'd have him back. If it's the sulky slow-mo version who had 'caught in possession' as his most impressive statistic... erm, ta very much... but no thanks.
Ian McDowell
841   Posted 26/05/2012 at 08:47:40

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Yes obviously a talented player. Maybe he has lost his way a little. A good pre-season and plenty of fitness work and he could be a real player. Arteta was out of the side and going nowhere at Sociedad when we got him.
Ian McDowell
842   Posted 26/05/2012 at 08:47:40

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Yes obviously a talented player. Maybe he has lost his way a little. A good pre-season and plenty of fitness work and he could be a real player. Arteta was out of the side and going nowhere at Sociedad when we got him.
Ian McDowell
843   Posted 26/05/2012 at 08:51:49

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Apologies for the double post.
Matt Traynor
844   Posted 26/05/2012 at 08:54:59

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Agreed if his wages are within budget, it would make some sense. The failed move thing was as much down to greedy agents as him, and I doubt we really had the funds talked about (£12m)- if we did then what signings wouldn't have been made after?

He didn't appear to be a disruptive influence in the dressing room (like Drenthe, sorry Jimmy). It's still debatable whether we'll be able to sign Pienaar, but if we can it won't hurt to have a bit of competition amongst the midfield for creative players - something Moyes hasn't had to deal with in his tenure.

Steve Guy
845   Posted 26/05/2012 at 09:00:24

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There's a reason he's on a free transfer.....
Paul Olsen
847   Posted 26/05/2012 at 09:10:26

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Bosingwa´s also on a free Steve. He may not be the best player in the world, but it´s not because he´s crap.
Paul Olsen
849   Posted 26/05/2012 at 09:11:20

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Btw.

Norwegian newspapers report that Everton have made a 3 million pound bid today for Lillestrøm´s Bjørn Bergmann Sigurdarsson.

Surely not true? Do we have that amount of money when we haven´t sold anyone yet? Something to happen in June? Highly unlikely.

Sam Hoare
856   Posted 26/05/2012 at 09:30:38

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Depends on his wages entirely. If he's happy to take 15-20k plus performance related bonuses then great, why not. Certainly has some talent in him if it can be properly applied. If he's looking for 50k plus then I think we have other priorities.

Anyone know much about this Sigurdarsson lad? Seem to recall Jimmy Sorheim saying he was average. But then it is Jimmy....

John Crook
857   Posted 26/05/2012 at 09:32:36

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Apparently his career has gone off the boil. He's never a regular starter anywhere he plays and he's a million miles away from the Portugal squad. I'd say No!
Stephen Kenny
864   Posted 26/05/2012 at 10:02:34

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I can't see us getting any business done early and there's no guarentee we've got the money to get Pienaar anyway.

For that reason we should look to the Bosman market for some creativity. I wouldn't mind seeing him sitting deep alongside Gibson with Fellaini roaming the midfield.

Paul Olsen
867   Posted 26/05/2012 at 10:15:55

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Sigurdarson would be a perfect David Moyes fit, hate it or love it.

Strong and tenacious and works his socks of, think Straqula with more class.

Might be considered a replacement for Cahill playing in the hole.

Cold water point: Does not score enough in a poor league.

Luke Berry
869   Posted 26/05/2012 at 10:14:43

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The issue about him being on a free, does not reflect this boys ability. He had has contract terminated by mutual consent due to a non payment of wages and bonuses.

He is loved by the Besiktas fans (not a common thing for a black player in Turkey) and well regarded by the Turkish press.

I would have him back in a heartbeat. Imagine Gibson sitting deeper with a combo of Manny and Felli, interchanging and giving the opposition an absolute headache?! Mouthwatering prospect to be honest. All can attack and defend equally well and I could see this being a formidable trio, with Rodders and Barkers backing them up.

We have relied too heavily on the wing play of Bainsey in the past. The best teams can unlock the opposition centrally as well.

Paul David
870   Posted 26/05/2012 at 11:06:50

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Can not believe he is only 26.Great the 1st time,crap the second time.We have virtually no creativity from midfield so bringing in Fernandes on a free would be a really good move.
Dick Fearon
877   Posted 26/05/2012 at 11:08:58

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Its one thing for 'insiders' like TWebbers to insult our club it is quite another for outsiders like Fernandez to do it.
This guys picture wearing a broad smile holding aloft the club scarf was splashed across the media. Only the formality of signing a contract was required. Suddenly a better offer from Valencia was made.
Without any warning this phoney shot through leaving behind a furious Moyes and disappointed evertonians.
The club would be lowering its ethical standards to even consider him.

Dick Brody
878   Posted 26/05/2012 at 11:34:50

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I really liked Fernandes when he first arrived at Goodsion. And I was happy when it looked like he was signing permanently.

But then he soured everything. He sat with Kenwright on the night before his transfer. Said everything right, declared his love for the club, shook hands on a deal. Then in the morning he signing with a different club.

Sorry but Fernandes showed Everton no respect. He pissed all over this club and, now that he finds himself on the football scrap heap, I can only laugh.

What goes around comes around Manny. You have finally gotten what you deserve.

Brian Waring
879   Posted 26/05/2012 at 11:44:34

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Dick, where were our ethical standards when big Dunc came out of prison? Or when he was going round knocking everyone out left, right and centre?
David Hallwood
882   Posted 26/05/2012 at 11:59:36

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I must be in the minority of one, because I thought the first time he scored some great goals and occasionally gave a touch of class; and that's the problem-it was occasionally, and he went missing in an awful lot of games. People only seem to remember the Man U goal, great though it was I expect more from a centre mid.
Ray Roche
884   Posted 26/05/2012 at 12:14:32

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Brian,
I think there is a difference between Ferguson and Fernandes. Ferguson may well have twatted numerous opponents, for which I am personally thankfull , being unable to reach them myself*, but he never treated the fans or the club with anything but respect and affection. Fernandes, on the other hand, couldn't wait to do a runner to someone willing to pay his thirty pieces of silver.

* Ince, Scharner, Chimbonda,.....I'd pay good money to see him do it again.

Shane Corcoran
886   Posted 26/05/2012 at 12:32:44

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Ah the neverending defence of Big Dunc. We should get Barton in cos once he pulls on the blue he could do what he wants as it'd be "for the club". Every time Ferguson was out suspended was disrespecting the club in my opinion.
James Lowrie
887   Posted 26/05/2012 at 13:07:24

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Bring him home.
Ray Roche
889   Posted 26/05/2012 at 13:06:04

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Shane,

I am NOT a defender as such of Ferguson's actions, and if you could read my comments on threads over the years you would see that for your self, however, the comparison with Fernandes is inaccurate for the reasons I have stated.
As for Ferguson's actions "disrespecting" the club? Bollocks. If you ever watched the man play you would see that many of his indiscretions were borne out of frustration with the paucity of service he received, poor refereeing and the likes of Scharner winding him up to breaking point.

Wayne Smyth
892   Posted 26/05/2012 at 13:18:35

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If you're being pragmatic, there is no loyalty.

I think virtually every one of our players would be off like a shot if they had a suitably large offer elsewhere. Same for our manager and probably the same for any of us who are employed.

Only the few who are fans of the club and for whom playing or working for EFC is truly the pinnacle of a career would end up staying, so I wouldn't read too much into the valencia thing.

Infact do any of us know whether it was him or his agent or indeed benfica looking for a larger fee that was the cause of the u-turn to head to valencia?

Shane Corcoran
897   Posted 26/05/2012 at 13:41:29

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Sorry Ray, I don't tend to follow posters' general opinions apart from the Marshs and Dodds of the site. I agree there's a difference in the two players' situations but I disagree when you condone Ferguson's behaviour. He's hardly the only player that gets wound up or receives poor service. In fact I can't think of anyone that's reacted as badly as he has. And I 100% stand by my disrespecting comment. He's cost the club more points than he's won by not being available I would guess. How many times does he need to be sent off before he thinks that maybe he should change for the good of the club>
Anto Byrne
898   Posted 26/05/2012 at 13:40:12

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I believe he had a serious groin injury in his second spell. Having said that, he was a very talented player who could pick a pass through the eye of a needle. Of course, it's all down to Moyes and does he track back and defend at corners? We still have Ossie and Hibbo and the rapidly improving Nevvo.
Matthew Lovekin
900   Posted 26/05/2012 at 13:59:08

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Can we afford him ... even on a free transfer!
Joe Sage
901   Posted 26/05/2012 at 14:05:50

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He was fantastic in his first spell and, even though he wasn't as impressive in his second spell, his assists did get us over the line to 5th place in the league even though he was played out of position many times by Moyes. So I'd have him back in a heartbeat, play him next to Gibbo and push Felli up with Jelly ? and we can then sell Rodwell.
Aidy Dews
904   Posted 26/05/2012 at 14:00:45

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Well, a usually reliable source on Twitter claims Fernandes IS likely to join us this summer but I was asking ITK's on GOT (lcab & tht) and they weren't so sure but take it one of two ways, are they dampening speculation cos it's true, which them on GOT sometimes do (they was giving it the "loose lips sinks ships" bravado), or is it just bullshit? We'll soon see as the summer goes on?!

Also, with regards to Sigurdarson, Fourth Official on Twitter (who's also usually reliable) reported last night that we had made moves for him and put a bid of £2.5m, a low down-payment with the rest boosted up by future incentives. Again I asked lcab & tht about it and lcab gave it the usual, "loose lips sink ships" and that so we hadn't bid for him, so who knows?

For me personally, Fernandes on a free would be a no-brainer. When he was with us the first time, he showed bags of potential at a young age and then went to Valencia and didn't have the best of times so we took him on loan again and he wasn't fully fit and only showed slight glimpses of his talent but then went to Besiktas and by all accounts has played shit hot. I saw the Stoke vs Besiktas games in the Europa League and he was class in both games, ran the midfield.

I think a central midfield triangle of Felli, Gibson and Fernades as the attacking mid would be class. Let Gibbo carry on being the sitter, the one that protects; Felli can be box-to-box where he's more effective, and let Fernandes loose further up the pitch with not as much defensive responsibilities so that he can be the one to create and find Jelavic's runs with through balls; Fernandes has definitely got that kind of quality in his locker!

As for Sigurdarson, from what I've seen he looks handy: got a bit of pace, skill, can pick a pass and does drop deep and likes to get involved and plays more like a second striker, more withdrawn and he's got plenty of potential to work with and would be a good signing IMO.

If we could possibly sign the likes of Fernandes, Sigurdarson and Pienaar and keep all our best players and only sell fringe players to make up the money to sign these three, and maybe even Tranquillo Barnetta for right wing as he's on a free this summer as well (surely we can compete with the likes of Newcastle, Sunderland & Wigan to sign him?!), then that will've been a very good summer of transfer dealing in my eyes and we would start looking like having at least a team to challenge for Europe, maybe CL next season?!

It's all just speculation and rumours but reliable people on Twitter when it comes to transfer news are giving me hope and making me feel positive about Everton this summer, hopefully we can pull off these deals!

Aidy Dews
905   Posted 26/05/2012 at 14:23:59

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Yeah, Steve Guy #845, he hasn't been paid his wages for months at Besiktas and by rights, left the club. He isn't on a free cos of how your thinking!

And when we had him the second time round, he'd only been back from a serious knee injury a matter of months and wasn't fit and that's why he played shocking at first but was starting to find his feet towards the end but it was too late.

By all accounts he's matured and come on in leaps and bounds over in Turkey the past 2 or 3 years. He's only 26 I think, at a good age; if he can carry on the way he as been doing in Turkey, then we should seriously consider having him back cos on his day he's class!

To me, this as got Arteta written all over it, someone Moyes can bring in and make a consistent performer out of.

Ray Roche
907   Posted 26/05/2012 at 14:55:15

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Shane,

I wouldn't say I condone Ferguson's actions, I do , though, understand them.
And yes, there are players who don't react to a wind up merchant, but we are all different. I prefer the like of Morrisey or Kay, who would wait for their chance....

Paul Joy
914   Posted 26/05/2012 at 16:26:42

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Aidy #95 David Moyes had 2 tries to turn Fernandes into a consistent performer and could'nt. He also offered to sign him permanently and Manny turned his back on that at the last minute and that fact decides it for me. Stuff him - no pun intended seeing as he is in Turkey!!!

The annual summer hols close season Manny Fernandes debate - I need beer

Mike Allison
918   Posted 26/05/2012 at 17:05:44

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Loved him both times. We don't need anyone in that position but it can't hurt to sign class players for free. Makes a sale more likely I suppose which could kick start some transfer business and allow us to bring in Pienaar and maybe another.

Its a yes from me.

"but I was asking ITK's on GOT (lcab & tht)" I think I've spotted 'Grand Old Team' in there, is ITk 'In The Know'? What are you telling us Aidy?!

Luke Berry
925   Posted 26/05/2012 at 17:44:44

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Aidy do you have a link to the ITK accounts on twitter mate?

Also you reiterated what I believe should be the motivating factor in going for him:
Felli, Gibbo and him would be formidable.

I tweet backwards and forwards with LCAB quite alot and he is the last person to cause speculation and gossip. However I asked him about Bainsey and in all honesty, the silence was deffening from him. He is quick to dispel doubts usually and is pretty much on the money where transfers are concerned. This time it's got me a little worried.

Aidy Dews
928   Posted 26/05/2012 at 17:24:40

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But Paul #914, the first time round Manny was 20, 21 and you can understand someone so young being inconsistant but he showed great potential. We tried to sign him but Valencia came in at the last minute, offered better terms to him, Benfica and the agency that owned 50% of his rights and he went to Spain instead.

People may think he fucked us over which is fair enough but Moyesy didnt hold any grudges and still signed him on loan again after that!. And that time round, about 2 or 3 months before his loan with us, he'd just recovered from a serious knee injury and wasnt fully fit but we needed bodies and knew what he was capable of and took a chance on him which didnt work out.

This time round he's older, more wiser and mature and as been playing well for a number of years in turkey and for free we would be mad not to be interested, regardless of the past. It's the future thats important right now and IMO he'd be a good signing!.

And Mike #918 yes, ITK means In The Know and GOT means Grand Old Team, the website, and people who are signed up to that website or are frequent viewers of it will know who LCAB (little curly alan ball) & THT (the holy trinity) are. They've even got there own website where they share the information they have got on everton's transfer dealings or interest and things

Aidy Dews
931   Posted 26/05/2012 at 18:09:13

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Well Luke #925, THT (@TheHolyTrinity8) on Twitter said that United being in talks for Baines or even in for him at all was bollocks and LCAB (@lcabbabeh) after said THT said all that needed to be said.

And these are the usually reliable sources for transfer news. On Everton: @lcabbabeh, @theholytrinity8

On anyone else: @Now_Football, @TransferNewsCen, @Agent_ITK, @Fourth_Official, @TransferScoop, @iTransferGossip, @tSTransfers, @FootballSpy, @Transfer_Now.

The first 7 are usually very reliable on Twitter, not so much LCAB & THT, they usually share their info on Grand Old Team or their own website but the others always share stuff on Twitter.

What you see or hear on Sky, the radio or on websites, these lot report it days before em, you hear summat from them and a day or two later, SSN are reporting it as breaking news!

Ian Bennett
947   Posted 26/05/2012 at 19:54:38

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He bust his leg so I would hope someone has seen him play rather than base on 3 to 4 years ago. On a free we could do worse.
Peter Warren
949   Posted 26/05/2012 at 20:16:01

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Great talent sign him up
Stuart Critchley
961   Posted 26/05/2012 at 22:31:35

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Worth a gamble,would probably walk here if he knew we were interested.
Luke Berry
964   Posted 26/05/2012 at 23:00:59

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Cheers for that Aidy. I chat to LCAB a fair bit and he is usually spot on. If he says Baines is bollocks then good enough for me!!
David Chait
970   Posted 26/05/2012 at 23:57:40

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Haha.. Yeah the annual Manny debate... But just in case: I was honestly a huge Manny fan!!! I felt he oozed class and could pick a pass better than Arteta even... Not everyone was on his wavelength but when the team clicked with him in it the football was glorious.

So although I don't think we are looking for a CM we would be foolish to let him just walk away if we could get him!

Jelavic more than anyone should rub his hands at the prospect!

Timothy Liu
971   Posted 27/05/2012 at 01:07:30

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Try to get him. He still looks like a fine player from Beşiktaş videos on YouTube. Got creativity, a high work rate and a bit of pace. Still only 26.

Of course, the only thing standing in our way are other clubs who are interested. I read a rumour that Tottenham were interested and were willing to pay £17 million... His wage demands might also be too much for us.
Eric Myles
975   Posted 27/05/2012 at 02:28:06

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"Surely we can compete with the likes of Newcastle, Sunderland & Wigan to sign him"

Would that be the Newcastle that are playing in Europe next season? And the Sunderland and Wigan that have been outspending us in the transfer market the last few seasons?

Bob Parrington
978   Posted 27/05/2012 at 04:02:36

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I suppose my questions to those of you who might know better are:

Is he good enough for EFC as the team is now (compared with when he was here previously)? I recall some of his skills but ... is he tough enough? Is he sufficiently hard working to satisfy David Moyes to the point that he gets a regular spot?
COYB

David Chait
003   Posted 27/05/2012 at 10:01:17

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Just out of interest I went onto Manuel's twitter account last night... He wouldn't be drawn on who he will join but there was a lot of comments from Everton fans to him... And he follows 19 "sites", one of which is Everton... Still holds an interest in the club for sure! Oh... And he follows Johnny Heitinga curiously!

Another affected by the blue family? the Besiktas fans were loving him on his page! Clearly did a great job! Yep.... I'd take him back!

Colin Malone
020   Posted 27/05/2012 at 12:51:39

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Workrate zilch. No way.
John McLoughlin
023   Posted 27/05/2012 at 13:01:37

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Not seen him for a few years so cant comment if he's still any good. If he's like he was a few years back then i'd take a chance on a free. However, I fear he'll be rubbish or i'm sure there would be others in for him.
Chris Butler
025   Posted 27/05/2012 at 13:03:27

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It just shows how deluded many fans are... Manuel Fernandes was one of the best players to wear the Everton shirt in the last seasons since 2007. Remember his defence-splitting pass to release Osman against Derby?

Granted he is not the type of player you want playing against Liverpool at Anfield but we have missed somebody who can pass the ball forwards since Fellaini arrived in 2008 and Arteta got injured in 2009. In the early part on the 2008-09 season, Arteta looked stepped into the role and played very well. Can't see it happening though.
James Stewart
034   Posted 27/05/2012 at 16:09:28

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He is quality and the closest chance we have of getting another Arteta. I doubt it will happen though. Bridges burned and all that.
David Chait
047   Posted 27/05/2012 at 17:15:08

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Chris #25 you are spot on... But just wanted to add some thing you confirmed for me: If we had bought Manny, we wouldnt have bought Fellaini.

Between the two, I would take Fella. So in the long run it worked out. But having them in the same side... Wow!
James Stewart
054   Posted 27/05/2012 at 17:40:39

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I withdraw the brides burned comment. Interested comments on his Twitter page. He does state he wants CL football though. His form has been impressive though.
Chris Keher
058   Posted 27/05/2012 at 18:49:33

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People on here keep bringing up that it was unforgivable that he signed for Valencia over us.

Get real.

If I was not an Evertonian and you put Valencia or Everton in front of me I would have chosen Valencia everyday of the week. Better wages, better team and recent success.

If he is still what he was I would take him back in a second.

Chris Butler
063   Posted 27/05/2012 at 19:45:43

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I think if Carsley hadn't left David Chait, Moyes would have bought him but he needed to replace Carsley with a defensive midfielder that person was Fellaini. If Fernandes spent more time under Moyes and at Everton he would've become a more complete player. It took Pienaar a year and a half to become a decent player at Everton, we've needed a player like him since the end of the 2008-09 season.
Stephen Kenny
065   Posted 27/05/2012 at 20:03:02

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Chris,

I didn't even know Lee was gay.

Ryan Holroyd
066   Posted 27/05/2012 at 20:09:24

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Much rather have Pienaar back, than Fernandes.
Gavin Ramejkis
069   Posted 27/05/2012 at 20:23:28

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There are quite a few posts about how Fernandes turned down Everton at the 11th hour to sign elsewhere which ignore the fact he had multiple owners who were looking to milk their next cash cow so highly likely the choice was never his with a better deal coming in the shape of the one he signed. Given Billy Bullshitter's legendary ability to drag deals out for an eternity to get them on the drip would imply his owners jumped at the best payout available at the time.

Second time around he wasn't a scratch as his first stint, didn't really track back to help out at all but as has been said he would make a useful addition to a threadbare squad with no creativity in it right now. Pienaar would be a better bet but do we have the money and how much will Spurs be demanding?

Off the theme, my Rangers mate rang me this morning saying the rumours in Glasgow are that Naismith is signing a four-year deal with Everton and he asked if I had heard anything? I would put that firmly in the rumour shelf right now as the window isn't open and we are potless.

Paul Joy
073   Posted 27/05/2012 at 21:11:15

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Gavin #069, Correct me if I am wrong:

Did Manny Fernandes turn his back on a permanent move to Everton? Answer: yes he did.

Did he do this at the 11th hour/last minute etc? Answer: yes he did.

The reasons for this you are assuming and really are not relevant.

Gavin Ramejkis
074   Posted 27/05/2012 at 21:32:17

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Paul who turned down the move? Do you have definitive proof that Fernandes himself turned down the move personally given the "form" his owner Kia Joorabchian had when he was touting Tevez about for the highest bid he could make himself? Everton already knew about the MSI group when they first loaned him

Assumptions Paul, any backup for yours? No. Some fair assumptions given the nature of joint ownership and Kia Joorabchian's previous form? Yes

Gavin Ramejkis
076   Posted 27/05/2012 at 21:44:35

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Paul as memory serves me Everton had bid £6m for the 50% of Fernandes that Benfica owned and were negotiating with Kia for his 50%, he had plenty of FA investigation breaching rule U18 for joint ownership of players - Tevez, Mascherano and Fernandes. Valencia offered a deal worth over £12m and away he went.
Drew O'Neall
077   Posted 27/05/2012 at 21:54:31

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I've seen a bit of him play this season and he still looks the part. He's got a bit of swagger about his game, remember against Arsenal? He's on a free, I'd have him in.
Jay Harris
091   Posted 27/05/2012 at 23:29:26

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People calling Fernandes a traitor need to remember Fernandes claimed he was never made a contract offer by Everton and, when Valencia gave him a take it or leave it contract offer to sign that day, his agent advised him to take it.

Coincidentally the £12 million that was supposedly "ringfenced" for Fernandes disappeared up the same black hole as the "unexplained" operating expenses, never to be seen again.

Now who do you beleve? A certain compulsive liar... or a man with no history of lying.

Jay Harris
092   Posted 27/05/2012 at 23:38:32

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Also meant to mention Fernandes gave us real moments of class on both his loan spells.
Roman Sidey
097   Posted 28/05/2012 at 02:57:15

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Ray Roche, the main difference between Ferguson and Fernandes is that Ferguson is Scottish. Our club seems to employ anyone with a St Andrews Cross on their birth certificate, regardless of talent.
Anto Byrne
099   Posted 28/05/2012 at 02:59:49

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It ain't gonna happen, I see Kevin Nolan might be available.
Jason Lam
100   Posted 28/05/2012 at 04:41:52

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Why settle for anybody but Riquelme!
Ray Roche
104   Posted 28/05/2012 at 07:48:42

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Roman. Is that a bad thing? OK, I'm sure you'll drag up Mc Rooney's name.

And I'll counter that with Alex Young, Alex Scott, Alex Parker, Graeme Sharpe, Andy Gray, Bobby Collins... there are more, but I haven't got the time, or inclination, to argue the toss about the birthplace of a player.

Are you saying Ferguson was not worth his place in the squad? We have had many great Scottish players play for this club. That fact that Ferguson had a reputation (deserved) for nutting opponents shouldn't conceal the fact that Scots played a major part in every great side we have produced.
Mike Coates
106   Posted 28/05/2012 at 08:06:46

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I'll sell my left leg to science to put in for the funds to pay his wages to bring him back! ;)
Andrew Ellams
117   Posted 28/05/2012 at 11:39:04

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Surely on a free it's a no brainer. Gibson and Fellaini have to be nailed on first choice in the middle, but with Ossie and Fernandes we would have a some decent back up in there too.
David Chait
129   Posted 28/05/2012 at 13:20:46

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I saw this clip today inbedded in the article and had to post it:

http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/27/midfielder-manuel-fernandes-on-a-free-signing/

Oh my fuckin lord! I was so shattered when we didn't sign him and this clip reminds me why. Now yes its a snap shot but holy shit he is good! We don't have anyone in the team with that skill set. Compare this clip to that Iceland chap and I tell I'd save those funds and offer Manny it in wages!

there are even some Everton moments .. the Man U goal and the piss take against Arsenal to savour!

Aah man..... my summer torment has begun for real!!!!!

Luke Berry
141   Posted 28/05/2012 at 14:04:02

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If people really want to see what Manny's opinion of Everton are, then check his twitter feed out. He has us listed, along with Valencia and Besiktas as pages he follows still (PORTSMOUTH OMITTED).

He has thanked the Evertonians who have gotten in touch for their support and retweeted some of their comments.

He has said he would like to play for us again (although he has told Besiktas fans that his reason for not allowing his situation to continue is due to not playing CL, I think if Everton went in strongly he would give it definite thought).

I really don't think comments about him 'being a traitor' are valid. He has affection for the Blues and he's shown it publicly, even declaring that his goal for us against Man U was his most memorable.

Sam Hoare
142   Posted 28/05/2012 at 14:18:33

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Why not?

He can play anywhere across the midfield, besides which I have a feeling that Fella may be mostly playing in the Cahill role behind Jelly next season so Gibson and Fernandes would be a very tidy central midfield pairing.....

Luke Berry
145   Posted 28/05/2012 at 14:50:23

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Thats the combination I'd like to see too Sam. Manny and Gibbo anchoring and Felli ahead. But that midfield three would be fluid enough to supplement each other at any given time.
Mark Riding
146   Posted 28/05/2012 at 14:54:13

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Sam, Luke.. thats all well and good, but where does Osman fit into that team ?
Sam Hoare
147   Posted 28/05/2012 at 14:58:46

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Mark- possibly where he ended the season on the right wing?

Have a feeling manny at Goodison next season is probably a long shot anyway. Always seem to be teams offering more wages than us when it comes to classy free transfers....

Andrew Clare
151   Posted 28/05/2012 at 15:19:07

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Anto @ # 099

I hope that's a joke! If it is I like your sense of humour.

Luke Berry
154   Posted 28/05/2012 at 15:48:49

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Mark, in honesty as much as I like Ossie (I have no pains in saying this) but who would you prefer? Ossie or Manny? The beauty of Manny is that he isn't a lightweight, he can hold a ball, ride a challenge and more importantly pick a pass much better than Ossie can.

This also shows how stunted we have become as Evertonians to a certain extent; top clubs have good squads, not just good teams. We only have a good team at the moment.

And Ossie would make great back up for the centre. I really don't like seeing Ossie out wide, however if we were to play a fluid 4-2-3-1 (my preferred formation) and IF we were to get Peanuts back permanently (I know, if's and buts again) then our forward line of Peanuts, Manny and Ossie all interchanging would make us a very fluid and attack minded team. Add to that, our two best holding midfielders (Gibson and Fellaini) also supplement attack well then we really could go for teams throats a lot more. I'm pretty sure that Moyes only plays safety-first due to personnel, the more balanced we can get the team, the more inclined I believe he would be to just get at teams and let them worry about us.

Jon Ferguson
155   Posted 28/05/2012 at 15:43:35

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We have Felli and Gibson who should make up the core of the midfield with Rodwell who when fit completes the trio. We then have the old guard of Osman and Cahill and two exciting youngsters in Barkley and Junior Silva.

I could see him coming in and doing well, he had some beautiful passing, but I think we have enough in the middle and what he'd cost in wages should be saved for wide midfielders.

Luke Berry
157   Posted 28/05/2012 at 16:22:47

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Maybe Jon, but in all honesty, he has a bit more guile and craft than what we have currently. Plus I honestly believe that Barkers and Rodders will be hocked to Man U eventually purely for financial reasons.

Who would want the headache of being a manager?!

Jon Ferguson
167   Posted 28/05/2012 at 18:14:17

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Luke - I agree, by all accounts he has nearly reached the promise he showed as a youngster now that he has had a couple of years without injury, and that he is ahead of where Barkley is now (although we hope Barkley surpasses him in the future). That extra guile could come in handy except for the fact we have no pace, guile or in fact a player who can naturally play wide right, and only Gueye (who I think will be a good squad player but never a world beater) out left.

We have a couple of youngsters who could develop in the middle playing alongside Fellaini and Gibson, who are a strong duo in the middle. Due to the poor state of our finances any pennies whatsoever need to be used on the wings.

The same goes upfront. The best teams have 3 or 4 strikers. We have Jelavic who looks the business, Vellios who isn't ready (but could be good in the futuyre) and Anichebe who is not amazing but can do a job. Unfortuntaley, I find it preferable to sign players in positions where we don't have anyone rather than reinforcing upfront where we have one star and two who can do a job.

It gives me a headache and I'm just watching (and reading) it!

David Chait
184   Posted 28/05/2012 at 19:51:41

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John, Luke.. You're touching on thoughts I have had about this today... As a massive Manny fan I want him back. But was more than happy with a 3some of Rodders, gibson and Fella for next season. In another thread I defended Rodders strongly and was pleased to see him getting support at last.

Now saying that I don't think anyone in our midfield offers the complete skill set Manny does, and he is only 26. So for the first time I would be ok a big money club came in for Rodders... As long as it culminated in Manny coming in.... But that is a long shot... Then another thought.. Would we be willing to sell Barkley if it brought in Pienaar, Donovan, Manny and another even... Maybe Cordoza?

Tempting... But now I am playing some serious championship manager.. I did say my summer hell had begun.

Andy Crooks
192   Posted 28/05/2012 at 20:43:39

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David,playing championship manager gets us through the close season. I am pretty sure ,though, that whoever we sign, most likely on deadline day, will be someone who we have never remotely considered. Who'd have predicted Bily or Fellaini?
Callum Wilson
204   Posted 28/05/2012 at 22:08:57

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One of the best players to be in an blue shirt in many years, amazing his first spell. On a free I can't think of many better. Also the league really screwed us over by not allowing us to buy him because of the 3rd party stuff when they gave the green light to Mascherano and Tevez. Wonder if it was Man Utd buying him if they would have been told they couldn't...
Callum Wilson
205   Posted 28/05/2012 at 22:11:57

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Also him in addition to our current midfield could make next season one with some cracking football, as others have said him piennar (obviously if we can get him) felli and gibson plus dempsey and jelly would be awesome (you can dream)
Ciarán McGlone
213   Posted 28/05/2012 at 22:47:33

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The reason he flopped the second time is because our manager, in his wisdom, played him mostly on the right wing. He looked lost. He also played him injured as well if I remember rightly.

I'd take him I'm a heartbeat.

Nick Armitage
221   Posted 28/05/2012 at 23:52:40

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Great player currently playing great football.

I would have him back in a heart beat.

Shaun Brennan
223   Posted 29/05/2012 at 00:39:34

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i'd take manny back within a flash. but I can imagine a few more able clubs sniffing around.
Timothy Liu
227   Posted 29/05/2012 at 01:05:10

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On football manager 2012 his wages are something like 46000 pounds per week... So...
Jason Heng
228   Posted 29/05/2012 at 00:59:04

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Another ex-Everton player with flair is available on free. As a youth he was compared to Rooney and later scored a wonderful goal-of-the-season against Charlton.

McFadden, anyone?

Callum Wilson
232   Posted 29/05/2012 at 01:47:07

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228 Jason: Are you comparing Fernandes to Mcfadden? Because if you are that is frankly ridiculous
Terry Smith
267   Posted 29/05/2012 at 12:19:21

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I'd have him back. Realisticaly we sell Cahill and push Felli up-front with Jelly. Manny can play in the middle with Gibson. I'm sure Cahill & Drenthe wages alone should be plenty for Manny's wages along with a decent amount left for Pienaar (£3-6m). I'd love to see us go for Johnson on loan from City too.

BUT THIS IS EVERTON AND IT WON'T HAPPEN!!! Wait for the window to open and Moyes to say there's no money...

A big season for Rodwell... and I want to see more of Barkley...
James Stewart
269   Posted 29/05/2012 at 12:30:36

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Fernandes didn't turn us down. Valencia offered to buy him for double the amount we did! He still is obviously fond of Everton if you go by his twitter.

He has been in excellent form and would be a cracking piece of business. I hope he isn't stuck out on the wing again by moyes though as that was totally pointless.

Tom Bowers
341   Posted 29/05/2012 at 23:18:16

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Usually where players and managers come back a second time, it's a big disappointment. Andy King, David Johnson, Howard Kendall... heck even Dalglish etc.

Fernandes may have improved somewhat but, if I recall, his form was patchy when he was here, similar to Denthe. Donovan is the exception although he wasn't here that long last season but he is my choice above everyone simply because of his great attitude and has proved he belongs in the Prem.
Piquet James
352   Posted 30/05/2012 at 00:13:31

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Great goal against Man Utd, fantasitc flair against Arsenal and Fabregas in particular, wonderful ability to hold up the ball, and confident on it... he's definitely worth considering again.

Better than Drenthe, without the (supposed) attitude.

Russell Buckley
359   Posted 30/05/2012 at 03:53:14

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Not interested in this guy, a lot of hype over not that much. Scored a couple of nice goals and showed some good dribbling at times but that was it. His second spell was rubbish and he said no to Everton when he had the chance to come on.

There has to be better and less injury prone players out there. I'd rather see our young guys get a shot over him.

Roman Sidey
361   Posted 30/05/2012 at 04:33:47

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Ray, I know that Scottish players have done well in the past for us. I also know that for some stupid reason, McFadden got a job at Everton last year without offering anything whatsoever to the squad. I also know that Ferguson, goal against Man Utd aside, offered very little apart from the odd suspension in the last couple of seasons he was here.

I'm not saying Scottish players are a liability; I'm saying that Moyes has a tendency to give them charitable positions when they should perhaps be working at a lower level. Why was McFadden playing in a Premier League squad this past season? Why have Ferguson and Weir been given posts at a Premier League club to begin their coaching careers?
Tony J Williams
395   Posted 30/05/2012 at 12:04:09

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Bit of a non-starter really, or did I miss us finishing in 3/4th place to give him the Champions League footy he craves?

Away to Crewe it is then....go ed larrrrrr

Jimmy Kelly
400   Posted 30/05/2012 at 12:37:27

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Roman, I wasn't sure it was possible for you to surpass my extremely low expectations of your posts but you've managed it there.

As far as I know we had a total of 5 scottish players/coaches last year, not exactly a massive amount, we also had 4 from Eire and 3 from USA.

Weir and Ferguson were given roles (in Ferguson's case a very minor one) for the same reason as Stubbs was, the same reason as Solskjaer at Utd, Ferdinand at Spurs, Bould at Arsenal and literally hundreds of other coaches across the country were - that the manager has worked with them and feels they'd do a good job.

McFadden was a strange one, I don't know why he was signed and I never thought it would be a good thing, but I'm pretty damn sure it's not just because he was scottish.

And you should have another look at the season we finished 4th if you think Ferguson did nothing other than score against Utd. He may not have been an integral part but his impact as a sub was actually a real part of our success that year, and I can think of at least 3 games where he scored the winner.

Anto Byrne
406   Posted 30/05/2012 at 13:45:44

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Russel 359

Don't seem able to find that many talented players in their prime, 26 years old and free of serious injury for the last two seasons, and on a free transfer. But hey, let's look a gift horse in the mouth anyway.
Ray Roche
440   Posted 30/05/2012 at 18:31:54

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Roman,

The only part of your last post I can agree with are your observations regarding Mc Fadden. Neither you nor I can comment with any accuracy on Weir or Ferguson's ability as coaches. For all we know Ferguson may just be working for no fee in order to obtain his coaching badges.

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