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Right, I know it's the closed season and the annual speculation fest is upon us but I'm getting a bit jittery regarding the amount of strikers we seem to have been linked to.

At the moment, we seem to be doing okay in that department ? though an injury to Jelavic would have Vellios, Anichebe or even Cahill as our second option (the days of two up front seem to be consigned to the pages of history at Everton).

I was thinking about this last night, wondering where Holt would fit in (a strong rumour doing the rounds up here is he's as good as signed for Everton) and suddenly I was struck by an awful thought...

What if Jelavic bangs in 7 or 8 in the Euro's and the big boys start leaving their calling cards and huge bids for his services... would Bill Kenwright resist a huge profit on Jelly?

Are they planning for this possibility now by speccing out the striker market?

In Jelavic, I think Everton have found the bargain of the season and, in my opinion, he's the best natural striker we've had since Gary Lineker. Surely Bill wouldn't be so daft as to cash in without the lad giving us a full season?

I'm not sure I'm going to sleep too soundly until the transfer window shuts!

Kevin Sparke, Newcastle-upon-Tyne     Posted 26/05/2012 at 09:47:48

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James Martin
916   Posted 26/05/2012 at 16:47:20

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He's not going to sell him after a few months at the club, Everton aren't that soul destroying. He's even said he's going to be here next season. We're linked with strikers because we have one who is any decent at the top level, he needs a partner in the number 10 role and then we'd have a decent offensive unit provided we can keep Pienaar.
Jim Knightley
919   Posted 26/05/2012 at 17:08:19

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There's also little danger of Croatia making a big impact at the Euros...I think we will be alright for another season at least. The concerns are over Fellaini, Baines and especially Heitinga this season imo.
Barry Rathbone
920   Posted 26/05/2012 at 16:56:40

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Kevin If Real Madrid or similar offer 20 + million he's gone it's as simple as that.

Because we're not Man City (who'd a thought of such a phrase a few years ago) we really are a feeder club, any player poking his head up above mid table standard is gone - it's just a matter of time.

The die is cast under the present regime and how anyone thinks we can SLOWLY build isn't paying attention.

Our ONLY hope is a mass influx of talent via the youth or Jelavic/Gibson type signings in one go and surprise everyone by doing a Newcastle - we had our Andy Carrol moment with the Rooney .money so it ain't gonna happen.

Eric Myles
922   Posted 26/05/2012 at 17:37:04

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I reckon we're being linked with strikers for the exact reason you state "Vellios, Anichebe or even Cahill as our second option".

Not exactly inspiring is it?

Having said that I'm sure if Bill could make 1 Quid profit on Jelly he'll be gone.

Jimmy Sørheim
923   Posted 26/05/2012 at 17:42:07

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We need replacements for Saha and Yakubu, right now we only have Jelavic.
We need to get Pienaar before thinking of buying a striker, that much should be clear to Moyes.
Anto Byrne
924   Posted 26/05/2012 at 17:31:56

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Went on you tube and watched Jelavic scoring a lot of goals for Rangers. He likes to bury the ball in the net with the minimum of effort. Truly amazing player but now the cat is out of the bag so will need a strike partner next season of similar ability. I hope Moyes realises that fellaini aint the answer. Clint Dempsey would be ideal and scores a lot of goals. its gonna be an interesting summer.
Ian McDowell
926   Posted 26/05/2012 at 17:55:56

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Strikers win you games, pretty much all the top clubs like to have at least 4.
Eric Myles
929   Posted 26/05/2012 at 18:08:39

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True Ian, and look at their Goal Difference column to prove it!
Roberto Birquet
934   Posted 26/05/2012 at 18:47:26

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At the moment, we seem to be doing okay in that department ? though an injury to Jelavic would have Vellios, Anichebe or even Cahill as our second option (the days of two up front seem to be consigned to the pages of history at Everton).
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OK in that department?? You've a screw loose.

Strikers and wingers we need, nothing else now that Distin signed back up. Over the next couple of years, we'll need to rejuvenate at the back, but right not now. We have one proven striker, and that has to change. Jela gets injured, and we're back to grinding out 1-1s.

I'm a afraid Cahill's insistence on playing Oz into his 30s means he is gone - it was so predictable.

Viv Sharma
935   Posted 26/05/2012 at 18:52:35

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what happened to Velios? he looked a real prospect and then got benched. hope he comes to the fore next season
Paul Ellam
938   Posted 26/05/2012 at 18:48:36

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It is not just Everton who sell their players ? pretty much any club will sell if another club bids enough (Man Utd & Cristiano).
Paul David
940   Posted 26/05/2012 at 19:02:11

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If he plans on using 2 forwards next year then we certainly need another as for some reason he clearly doesnt rate Vellios and Anichebe is dogshit as well as always being injured.

If its going to be the same formation next year then we still need another forward for the same reasons.

It all depends on how much money we have to spend or if anyone will be sold.My priority would be to bring in 2 wingers first then a forward followed by a creative midfielder.

Richard Dodd
943   Posted 26/05/2012 at 19:32:25

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Forget Hoult, Rhodes and their ilk. If Moysie goes for a support striker, it will be someone in the mould of Tim Cahill -? Peter Whittingham of Cardiff City for example.

Personally, I feel he'll opt for Felli in the role with Victor and Vellios at 70 mins.
Ian Bennett
945   Posted 26/05/2012 at 19:46:42

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Big rumour we will sign the Icelandic striker for £3m. Radio City have bigger this one up for days for the out of towners.

Luke Rodgers who plays with him reckons he is exceptional.

Paul David
946   Posted 26/05/2012 at 19:51:05

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Richard

I've been really impressed with Whittingham everytime i've seen him and would love him at Everton but would rather we went with a proper forward in that position.

Kevin Sparke
948   Posted 26/05/2012 at 19:47:47

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Roberto - if you don't consider Jelavic's goal return per games played as 'doing okay' - you've a garden shed's worth of screws bouncing around where your brain should be...

So, oh enlightened one - I know an intellect as razor sharp as yours has considered this - but have you ever wondered what happens to players when they sign for someone else? I'll give you a clue - they don't play for you any more...

So, with Baines and Fellaini already subject to transfer speculation and the fact that we've still not signed Pienaar (and most informed sources reckon we probably wont) Can you shine your illuminating wisdom on why every other player we've been linked with has been a striker?

Just asking - if you can avoid the ad hominem in your reply I'd be most grateful... cheers.

Kev Prytherch
958   Posted 26/05/2012 at 22:12:29

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Is there not a rule that forbids a player from playing for 3 clubs in less than 12 months. I might be wrong but I'm sure that this has scuppered a couple of transfers in the past.
Although thinking about it, we should never have been allowed to sign unsworth from villa if this was the case.
Can anyone shed some light on this as. Sure I've heard of a ruling on these lines.
Matt Traynor
959   Posted 26/05/2012 at 22:18:46

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Going back to the original poser, of course he will be sold if the right offer comes in. We are a selling club.

We always have been.

Lineker was sold (against his will) cos they were offered a treble return.

Gary doesn't go to Carter's BBQ to this day...

Paul David
960   Posted 26/05/2012 at 22:20:40

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Kev

I think your right or it could be 3 teams in 1 season rather than a calendar year.Either way its a recent rule and wasnt around when we signed Unsworth.

James Flynn
968   Posted 26/05/2012 at 23:19:21

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I just feel the Club is going to figure out a way to get into next season without selling our Stars. No good reason for me to think so, since our only assets left are players. But I still feel this way.

From his "knife to a gunfight" comment, Moyes has been dropping comments on the need to improve AND the need to keep players.

Will ownership put him in his, what 3rd, 4th re-building program? When only the Manc teams had a better second half than us? Moyes doesn't need a fortune. Players are being dumped/not re-signed at a rate where he find quality without Sky money.

Roberto Birquet
969   Posted 26/05/2012 at 23:47:33

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Kevin

Apart from your blunt comments on my sharpness.... speculation on Baines and Fellaini means nothing. So your opinions on.. have you ever wondered what happens to players when they sign for someone else? Also mean nothing. In your world, Pienaar is not our player because we haven't signed him yet, while Felli and Baines are not our players because some redtop is filling column inches with unsubstantiated rumour.

Little secret: They are our players.

Jela is superb. But he is only one player. As I wrote above, if he gets injured we're back to scrapping for 1-1s

We need another striker.

Eric Myles
973   Posted 27/05/2012 at 01:26:26

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Paul #938, but United didn't have to sell Ronaldo to pay the banks like we do.

James #968 our 'stars' were loanees, we don't have them to sell, we need to buy them!

Andrew Lawrenson
985   Posted 27/05/2012 at 05:30:20

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It is clear that we do need more strikers and not just one. We all think that Tim is now past it... we all think the lump called Vic is... er... shite.

Vellios is not part of Moyes's plans, we are all saying don't play Fellaini up there. So it is important we get at least two strikers in during the summer, because if Jelavic does get injured or suspended during the coming season, we are well and truely fucked.
Albert Perkins
987   Posted 27/05/2012 at 05:56:28

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We have been complaining about Moyes not buying strikers for some time. I'm happy he is in the market for more. I want to see him get a good forward that he HAS to play and we have a real striking duo up front, with Felli and hopefully Pienaar in support.
Stephen Kenny
002   Posted 27/05/2012 at 09:45:35

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If Cahill wants to be making 36-hour flights across the world to play Oman and Iraq then he cannot continue at Everton. Another season of him running round kicking people and looking fooked is not on my agenda and I doubt it's on Moyes's either.

If we do get a striker, it will be to replace him IMO.

Mathew McKay
021   Posted 27/05/2012 at 12:52:28

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You know.. we moan when we're looking at defenders and we moan when we are looking at strikers. At the moment, the strikers we have are Jelavic, Vic and Vellios, maybe a few young ones.. but if Jelavic gets injured then I wouldn't want just Vic and Vellios, we need another 20 goal a season man who is preferably not a target man, and who has the pace to play off Jelly.

We also need a winger for the right side.

John McLoughlin
022   Posted 27/05/2012 at 12:56:24

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Of course we need another striker, Vic will be injured for most of next season as per usual, Velios is very much unproven. So for either playing alongside Jelavic or more likely as cover and a 1st sub we need a new striker. Goals are the most important thing in football as Jelavic proved when he turned around a dreadfull season into an average one. imagine if we had 2 players capable of scoring more than 10 goals per season
Mathew McKay
026   Posted 27/05/2012 at 13:15:00

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Completely agree with John.
Wayne Smyth
057   Posted 27/05/2012 at 18:37:04

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We don't need another striker.

One would be nice, to offer backup to Jelavic, but if we had only money for a winger or a striker, we need a winger more.

Gavin Ramejkis
070   Posted 27/05/2012 at 20:33:26

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BB would sell his mother if it meant he kept control of the club for another season, don't think he would even pause to think about selling anyone at the club.
Alex Willett
081   Posted 27/05/2012 at 22:08:15

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Naismith's signed from Rangers, according to Wikipidia factfile on him, a 4-year deal.
Alex Willett
084   Posted 27/05/2012 at 22:32:33

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Wikipedia just removed it. Something strange going on here.
Mark Riding
086   Posted 27/05/2012 at 23:01:08

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Naismith can be a right nasty little bastard. Quite capable of a sly elbow etc... Having read the Barton thread last week, I will read any comments on his potential signing with interest. He has now also done cruciate's in both knees. Who is doing his medical?

Bring back John Clinkard.

Alex Willett
087   Posted 27/05/2012 at 23:06:40

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It was on Wikipedia that he had signed, and his current club is Everton. I've had texts all night saying he has signed, but now it's been removed from Wikipedia (which is very accurate most of the time) and now says he is a Rangers player. Weird.....
Lyndon Lloyd
089   Posted 27/05/2012 at 23:26:44

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Don't believe anything to do with football transfers on Wikipedia until it's definitely happened. It's notorious for people updating player profiles with the clubs they've supposedly signed for when it's just rumour or wishful thinking.

Everton are known to be interested in Naismith but there is nothing remotely concrete at this time as far as I'm aware.

Alex Willett
090   Posted 27/05/2012 at 23:28:58

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Thanks Lyndon, I wont trust that site then. Lets see what happens, and hopefully we will sign a few
Spragg Johnson
096   Posted 28/05/2012 at 02:50:02

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Jelavic best striker since Lineker? So far so good ... but Cottee, Campbell and Saha had great runs followed by dry spells. This Icelandic kid as back up would be useful ... Anichebe and Vellios put themselves about but aren't natural goal poachers á la the five mentioned earlier.

As for Cahill ... if this season is anything to go on he will just run about, jump occasionally and get into scuffles. Much as I love him, Cahill has next season to rediscover his form or he can go back to Oz to play for Sydney Utd and run his footie schools.
Kevin Sparke
110   Posted 28/05/2012 at 08:29:29

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I like Cahill - he's the sort of player who would run through a brick wall for Everton and his past goalscoring exploits from midfield and emergency striker were very welcome. In midfield he never had the silky touches of Arteta nor the clever running with the ball skills of Pienaar - but he he was a ferocious competitor and gave the midfield a much needed bite at times.

Having said all that; he's not the same player as he was a season ago and I think his time is up as a Premier League footballer - age get's to us all in the end and Timmy's time is near to think of either dropping down a level or hanging up those boots.

Anichebe - well, what can you say? The guy's an enigma, for 90% of the time he looks like a fish out of water and spends an awful lot of time sat on his arse or punching the turf in frustration as he's worked off the ball and unbalanced by even a half decent centre half. Then there is the other 10% of him - the 10% which saw him score 5 League goals from 12 appearances last season, most of them from coming on as substitute - if there was only a way that a manager could harness that 10% and turn it into some sort of consistency then 'Big Vic' could be one hell of a player - I just wish the miserable beggar would cheer up a bit; though if I'd had the stick from the supporters that he has had I'd be giving them the finger when I scored.

Vellios - I like the look of this lad, he has potential and he knows where the net is - but again, like Anichebe he looks an impact player at this early age and I've not been over impressed with his linking play or distribution as yet - though without games, is that ever going to improve. I've a feeling that he'll get a little more bench time this coming season.

A word on Jelavic - all strikers go through barren spells or have injuries leading to loss of form and if we keep hold of him for any length of time he'll have one or the other at Everton and it would be nice to have some class as back up - unfortunately class costs money... unless Moyes has another ace up his sleeve akin to the the Jelavic signing. I mean 5 million pounds for Jelavic!... just 5 million! ... un-fucking-believable.

Gavin Ramejkis
112   Posted 28/05/2012 at 09:24:04

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Have to agree with you Kevin on Cahill and regarding the £5m for Jelavic it was a bargain which could only be repeated going to a foreign league or catching a UK based club with HMRC hanging over them.
Paul David
122   Posted 28/05/2012 at 11:55:08

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I would rather see a creative forward play off Jelavic but a goal scoring midfielder would be ok and I see Swansea have agreed a fee of £6.8 for Sigurdsson,which is an absolutle bargin.We're missing out on a class act here.I know people want us to keep hold of Rodwell because of his age and potential but i'd sell him right now if it meant we could sign Sigurdsson.

He is just a year older than Rodwell but has been consistently performing well now for years,has an eye for a pass and scored a lot of goals for Reading,Hoffenheim and now Swansea.

Why keep hold of a player who has a history of injuries and inconsistent performances with plenty of comptition in his place in the hope that he might one day come good when we could have Sigurdsson,who will deliver the goods now.

Mark Riding
124   Posted 28/05/2012 at 12:23:39

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Saha to Chelsea apparantly..
Dave Wilson
125   Posted 28/05/2012 at 12:39:42

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I thought this particular issue was sorted when Moyes moved Fellaini to Cahill`s position. Scoring goals next season will not be the problem it was last time around.

If we have ANY money it must go towards securing Pienaar.

Bold prediction for next season: Big Vic will get into double figures ? you heard it here first.

Mark Riding
132   Posted 28/05/2012 at 13:42:55

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I read Saha's tweet wrong by the way. Its Hazard thats going to Chelsea. Thought it would have been an odd one, but I never saw him going to Spurs either.
Paul David
133   Posted 28/05/2012 at 13:46:04

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Mark I can actually see him ending back up at Everton.
Mark Riding
135   Posted 28/05/2012 at 13:54:08

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Paul, I cant see him coming back. A move to MLS or Saudi leagues for a last payday more likely. I can see Weir being registered as a player though !
Sam Hoare
140   Posted 28/05/2012 at 14:05:53

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Paul...who said we could have Sigurdsson?! Pretty clear he has a good relationship with Brendan Rogers and Swansea. Lets not become like Tottenham fans and assume we have an automatic right to players at what we perceive to be lesser clubs...
Paul David
143   Posted 28/05/2012 at 14:18:38

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Sam

Does that mean we can only go in for players that are unhappy at their club or the club doesnt want them?

He is a class player who has scored goals at every club he has been at and is still only 22.He is not quite there yet for the very top clubs but will be soon.He is exactly the type of player we should be going for even if it means moving others out.Swansea will be getting a very good player who will almost certainly get better and i'd imagine will get double what they paid for him in a year or two.

There is no guarantee he would have chosen us over Swansea but we are a bigger club,longer history in the top flight,better team and i'd imagine we can pay bigger wages so I would have fancied our chances.

Sam Hoare
144   Posted 28/05/2012 at 14:42:03

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No harm in trying for such players Paul but your other post made it sound like we could have him if we only bothered. To me he clearly loved Swansea and vice versa, good to see players who aren't mercenaries or glory hunters. Best of luck to him.
Paul David
148   Posted 28/05/2012 at 15:00:24

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Sam I do think we'd get him over Swansea if we went for him and I dont think it has anything to do with me assuming every player feels the same way about Everton as I do.

Its been talked about on another thread about Fernandes choosing Valencia over us but I dont blame him for that,Valencia had a recent history of winning trophies and spending money which we didnt.

In every comparison with Swansea we are the better option unless he has grown a genuine affection for the club in the short time he has been there.

Mark Riding
149   Posted 28/05/2012 at 15:13:37

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Looks a done deal now for Swansea. Personal terms and fee agreed. Suprised as Rogers is still being strongly with Liverpool ( his odds dropped dramatically last night to virtually joint favourite with Martinez )..
Jim Knightley
150   Posted 28/05/2012 at 15:17:48

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I'm with Paul on Sigurdsson, a really wonderful player who will contribute Dempsey/Cahill goal levels every season.

If we had money, I expect we would have gone in for him. I'm really suprised no one has attempted a rival bid.

Roberto Birquet
162   Posted 28/05/2012 at 17:02:10

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Kevin, it would seem you have come round to the"we need a bloody striker" way of thinking. God loves a sinner who has turned. But more to the point, if the speculation is part-way right, thankfully Moyes sees that we need another striker.

That and Pienaar, while weeding out the periphery, is hopefully our strategy. On that score, I guess the release of Straqua, Drenthe and McFadden were good moves.

I'd look to sell Yobo - obviously - and Anichebe. The latter can only stay if we do not find a striker to buy. Unfortunately, most of the fees these would bring in would only get us the Pienaar fee, with perhaps a million(?) left over for a new striker.

Perhaps (hopefully), the release of the three above players means we can use saved wages to set up a fee payment method for buying a striker...say £5 m, but only £1 m now, the rest over the next two years.... in lieu of McFadden/Stracq wages? Bit of a leap of faith... Here's hoping...

Stephen Kenny
182   Posted 28/05/2012 at 20:02:18

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Dave, what role do you see him playing next year?

I don't think he'll ever be truly free of injuries because he hasn't got the build for football myself. It's difficult to show your best form without any consistentcy or a run of games.

Ron Woodfine
387   Posted 30/05/2012 at 11:23:42

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I agree with most that our priority should be to get Pienaar signed. But I do think we need another proven goal scorer. I think Defoe would be a great signing, he certainly knows where the back of the net is and would give us pace up front. Being that he has been out of favour with Harry for a few seasons, it might be worth a try depending on his wage demands.
Robbie Muldoon
489   Posted 30/05/2012 at 22:13:26

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We only have Jelavic and Vellios as strikers. We need more.
Tom Bowers
577   Posted 31/05/2012 at 13:07:21

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Holt is a big strong striker in the old fashioned mould but I prefer
Defoe as a better option. Proven goalscorer, still quick and may be the right price.

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