You have to question the mentality of gloating Celtic supporters.
Of course we would rejoice if the same happened at Anfield, but we dont depend on the shite to exist ourselves

Would have a look at Whittaker too. Despite an upturn in hibberts form last season we could use another RB option if moyes believes Coleman isn't going to play there.

I surprised so many clubs are willing to vote no against Rangers when you think what percentage of their gate receipts come form those 2 home games a season.

But, as I'm not a supporter of any SPL team I say if Rangers have anybody cheap that could do a job for us then sign them up ASAP.

If there are put in the 3rd division would Rangers apply to join the English league instead and would they be allowed?

Lets see where Celtic are in a couple of years time, then we`ll see who`s talking nonesense.

As for Scottish football, everyone in the SPL is of the view cheats shoud not prosper and therefore Rangers do not deserve what they feel is there right to play in the SPL. Sporting integrety keeps getting mentioned by the SPL clubs. As for Sky they are happy to keep the deal IF Rangers are outwith the SPL for one eason only which is why it is likely Rangers will be in the 1st division next season.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Sky have a clause in their SPL contract that allows them to pull the plug if either of the Auld Firm drop out for any reason.

On the other hand, we need players to prop up the squad. I've never seen Naismith play but I'm hardly excited by the prospect even witht the backing of Jelavic. The standard up there really is poor and I can't remember the last time a Scottish player came south of the border and was a success (Flether came through United' s youth team).

I hope if he does come, then it is not going to eat up any (if any) money that might go on players who will improve the squad in the positions we desperately need reinforcements, i.e both wings.

Why would they stay at Rangers and play in Scottish Div 3 against teams that would struggle to compete in our Northern Premier League if they get offers from clubs like Everton, Aston Villa or Stoke?

Sky money - The Old Firm get 40% of the Sky money currently, yes without Rangers that television money would be reduced, but the percentage the other clubs get would be increased, so it mightn't make as big a dent as assumed.

Gate receipts - Rangers fans are rumored to be boycotting away games, so a different club in the SPL other than Rangers would possibly increase away fan gate receipts (definitely be the case for Dundee United if Dundee get promoted)

"The standard up there really is poor" - I remember that being the reasoning on here a few years ago as to why we should ignore John Ruddy's performances for Motherwell. Also, about 3 years ago there was around 3 players in the EPL that had been at Scottish 1st division clubs (I.E. below the SPL) a few years previous.

Back to the article, Naismith on a free is a no brainer, yes two cruciate ligament injuries in four years but if it wages only and we just pissed away more on the likes of McFadden and Hahnemann

I think both would be worthy additions, but I'm actually more excited about Whittaker than Naismith. Whittaker's in the prime of his career at 28, and he can provide some of the outside attack we need in addition to being a solid defender. This should be Pip's final season, and Whittaker could an excellent (and inexpensive) successor to Hibbo.

I've been a season ticket holder for about 10 years at Dundee United, Rangers would fill their entire 7,500 allocation....when they were in the title race. When they weren't in the title race any more the away end was dead.

What I was saying about them as away fans though is that they say they're going to boycott away games this year, so their away support would be worthless, and yes Dundee FC can and do bring as many fans to their away games with United as Rangers.

Get him signed up BK!

Make no mistake, if The Victims were in a similar situation and gloating were an Olympic event, we'd piss the gold (nb: there'd be NO difference in us and Celtic supporters, despite the semantics of our resident ale-house lawyer).

The truth is, Rangers have not just broken every rule in the book, they have shat all over the book.

They are actually, morally and spiritually corrupt and should pay the FULL price.

One more thing, a couple of mates of mine (both Hearts supporters who follow Scottish football day-to-day) say yes teams will lose money, but not the vast amounts they're making out and certainly not the difference between a team surviving or going under.

(they are both as made-up as made-up as any Celtic supporter and delighted their own chairman voted no).

Gav - I know their support dwarfs most in Scotland, but the capacity at other Stadia would make it difficult for them to regularly take 20,000 on the road.

The next highest capacity after the old firm is Aberdeen with 22,000

Hibs 20,000, Kilmarnock 18,000 etc etc.

As for the standard of the players up in the Scottish League - if all Tommy can come up with is John Ruddy (who has had a good season at Norwich admittedly) and 3 other unnamed players who 3 years ago played in the Premier League having previously played in the Scottish 1st Division, then I think my opinion about the standard up there is going to remain unchanged.

No, its billions they pump into it...

Celtic and the rest of the teams in the SPL will not suffer from the Demise of Rangers,
Clubs wont be forced to go part time, Sky will continue to pour money into a one horse race, Celtics (and everyone elses) gates wont tumble,
The SPL will not be granted less European places, Dunfermline, Inverness,Dundee etc are in a position to absorb the debt.

I was begining to be taken in by all these whining chairman coming on the radio and crying poverty.

Good job Eugene knows a couple of Jambos. (Scottish, so Itk) who are able to give us the REAL picture. .

They stated, and I believe them, that no Rangers supporters will ever travel again to the grounds of those who vote against them. This alone will have a substantial impact on those clubs. Also, I doubt that Sky will show much interest in, say, Motherwell v Inverness Caly.

I believe that Celtic will vote to save Rangers and that many Celtic supporters will not be gloating.

Finally, where Liverpool in Rangers position would Evertonians vote to save them?

If it was Liverpool? same as above.

The point I'm making is that I have a huge emotional and sentimental attachment to Scottish football. I believe that the relegation of Rangers will be the beginning of the end for full time Scottish football. I believe it will finish the international team and eventually see Scottish Premier League winners going straight to the Europa League.

Rangers deserve ferocious punishment but the destruction of Scottish football should not be a consequence of it. By the way, to answer my own question, no, I would never vote Liverpool out. We all need someone to hate.

SPL will not suffer from the Demise of Rangers - They will Dave, but not as bad as every Rangers 'expert' (I.E. the media darlings, not a majority of the poor fans) claim they will

3 unnamed players [from] Scottish 1st Division - I didn't name them so not to bore anyone, and I'm not saying they (or any) players playing in Scotland are or were world beaters, I was just saying that players shouldn't be discounted because they played in Scotland.

BTW the players I can think of from Scottish 1st Division (4 now that I try to think of them) are Jason Scotland and Kevin McDonald (briefly in EPL, mainly as subs) and James Mcarthur and James McCarthy (who were the duo running the engine room when Wigan survived this year)

Rangers - or former members of the Rangers board - have wronged everyone connected with football in Scotland, that cannot be disputed. Unfortunately, as often happens in these situations, its the poor arl fans and people who are picking up the pieces who will be penalised.

Rangers have to be punished, there is no alternative.
When deciding on the severity of that punishment the chairmen of the other clubs will do the right thing, but it wont stop them feeling like the proverbial turkey voting for Christmas.

One argues all WON'T be lost if Rangers go, the other suggests Rangers killed Scottish football in..the 80's.

http://wingsland.podgamer.com/why-scotland-doesnt-need-rangers/

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/how-rangers-killed-scottish-football-in-the-80s-and-have-to-be-relegated/

(for those who prefer your opinion shouty and 100% fact-free, you can always read our own Rumpole of the alehouse)

But one, singular? I'm intrigued.

Havent seen anything that convincing since your last "interesting" article.

http://www.crackpot.conspiricy.theorist.com-bloodbath/Osman-slams-Moyes-against-wall-at-liberty/

Both hands up, you win, If the "two jambos" argument hadnt already clinched it . . . .

Brian...clue - not Atticus Finch

Domestically, Rangers owe: Hearts (£800,000), Dunfermline Athletic (£83,370), Dundee United (£65,981), Celtic (£40,337) and Inverness Caledonian Thistle (£39,805).

English clubs are also owed more than £700,000. This breaks down as: Manchester City (£328,248), Chelsea (£238,345) and Arsenal (£136,560).

European clubs are also owed more than £1.6m, including Rapid Vienna (£1,011,763), St Etienne (£252,212), Palermo (£205,513) and Orebro (£150,000).

These clubs will never see that money, if they are lucky, they might get 5p for every pound owed, even that's unlikely because HMRC come first, those domestic clubs listed above won't give a shit if Rangers fans boycott their games, they weren't getting paid for the tickets anyway, the SPL maybe poorer without them, although Hearts in particular might disagree with that.

I also believe that Portsmouth should have their FA cup win expunged for the same reason.

I think if any club in England goes the same way as rangers then the same sanctions apply, whoever they are. Including Liverpool and Everton.

I also see nothing wrong in picking over the bones of a club in this situation.

I agree with Mr. Wilson on this one.

It's Celtic I feel sorry for, they did nothing wrong but will find their financial position eroded, entering the CL at the first knock out stage with Dynamo Tirana and Total Network Solutions.

That's not to say you can let Rangers off for the good of the SPL or any other reason, they should be dismantled and barred from entering any scottish league for 5 years and maybe then they can start at the bottom if any of the local bigots still care enough to watch them.

Any free player is worth a shot, even to sign him and shift him at Christmas if he's crap.

I remember we all thought UEFA shouldn't change the rules to let Liverpool into the Champions league when we finished fourth so what is the difference here to those people who think Rangers shouldn't drop to the third division?

I expect a two-horse race next year, even if Murdoch himself has to buy a club; no-brainer.

Also, if the the SPL clubs sit down over what is left of the summer and really discuss and plan things properly, they could come up with a plan that does more than just damage limitation.

You would presume that part of Sky Sports' success is down to long term planning. I think that Sky are clever enough to have contingencies in place for something like this. Rangers would appear to be in the same mess as Portsmouth and other similar clubs in England. Administration is happening so often now that it was only a matter of time before a club imploded in the manner in which Rangers have. Sky will have a plan in place to keep putting money into Scottish football and even though it may be on reduced terms, they are still one of it's main sponsors. All of the SPL club chairmen have had enough time to sit down with Sky, the other sponsors and their own accountants over the last couple of months and I would think that not only will a new plan be hammered out, I think also that lessons will be learned.

Instead of this being the end of Scottish football, I think that it may be a great opportunity for it to develop a very stable base.

A week ago Dundee United revealed their season tickets sales were at 1,700, which is less than half the figure from the same stage last year. A lot of their fans let it be known to United and their supporters club that they were not renewing unless United said no to the Newco Rangers. United - and a majority of the other SPL teams have experience similar circumstances - had no choice but to appease their fans.

Although he had issues with management when at Aberdeen, before the issues he was untouchable (a winger who breezed by every defender), then when he moved to Rangers in January he was back to his awesome best.

Even if you only saw him on Soccer AM, you couldn't help but see their was something there (whether on SPL goals round-up or the Showboat section most weeks)

I`m no fan of Glasgow Rangers, but they are a footballing institution, they have hundreds of thousands of fans spread all over the world boosting the profile of the Scottish game.

Hearts, Hibbs or whoever may well be in a position to challenge for a runners up place, but nobody will be able to replace the 60,000 regular Match goers that are about to disappear from the SPL.

To suggest the league will prosper by reducing 40% of the income raised by fans, is taking positive thinking to new and absurd levels.

Its a tradgedy, a catastrophe for all concerned and every chairman in Scotland knows it

As with everything else there are varying degrees of catastrophe`s and tradgedy`s.
If Everton were to find themselves in the same boat as Rangers tomorrow, I would accept it wasnt as grave as any of the events you mentioned.

But Like most Evertonians, I would still view it as a Catastrophe

Heysel was an atrocity. I don't like seeing these events together in a list. It is a rewriting of history in which we should take no part.

You are right of course. For the victims and their families these were all tragedies.

I was, and often am, niggled by the grouping of these incidents It is often Liverpool supporters doing it and I feel it is an abdication of responsibility for Heysel. As if it was something terrible that 'just happened'. Like an ct of God rather than an act of hooliganism resulting in manslaughter.

Yes, the clubs have worked incredibly hard but the bigotry is ,sadly, not a small minority. Sorry, Aidan.

A very exciting player to watch based purely on the Youtube clip below, which I know, I know, could make your Gran look good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbvRgJyW__k&feature=related

We need a little depth on the wings especially if we struggle to get Pienaar back which we may well with Tottenham getting a new manager and likely to lose Modric.

What about Whittaker too. That would make us really popular with Rangers fans!

1. Queen shakes hands with Mc Guiness

2. Toffeeweb still displaying madness.

Brill