Season 2012-13
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Without Gibson and Jelavic...
How did a bit-part Manchester United player become so important to us?
With Gibson and Jelavic out for a few weeks, much speculation has arisen as how best to set the team up. Of course this will depend on the opposition but with, arguably, the spine of the team missing and, in my opinion, a lack of like-for-like replacements, we'll need to look at an alternative way of playing.
A criticism of Moyes has been that he's not the most proactive (or even reactive), but this is a time to be so, and get a workable Plan B on the pitch.
I don't feel that continuing with the same shape, but replacing Gibson for Neville and Anichebe for Jelavic (admittedly from our able reserves they are the most similar in position) is a credible solution and will result in a stagnation that could be very detrimental to the recent positivity seen on the pitch and among the fanbase. Momentum must be maintained!
For one, I propose that Fellaini moves back into Midfield. He's been doing a great job as the upsetter and attacking playmaker so far this season but without Jelavic making the intellegent runs and pulling defenders away he cut a lone figure up front in the second half at Newcastle and would be further isolated if asked to play with Anichebe. With Osman alongside him, I think the midfield is fairly well balanced and I expect Leon to improve massively without having the burden of carrying an out-of-form Neville.
The defence picks itself I feel, bar an argument for Heitinga replacing Jags or Distin; Baines and Hibbert at full back. I've been impressed with Hibbert so far this season and there are encouraging signs of him developing better understandings with the winger. (Unfortunately Leon can't play that role and exposes Tony too often, I feel.)
Pienaar on the left, a given, but on the right I'm torn. I think Coleman could be a good stop-gap for now allowing my proposed forward partnership to work...
Naysmith and Mirallas. They're buzzy, quick, get in people's faces and, from what I've seen, have intelligent football brains (aside from Kevin's eagerness for glory – not that I'd want to stifle that).
I'd set my team out like this:
Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Coleman Fellaini Osman Pienaar
Naismith
Mirallas
What do you lot think?
Ben Howard, Posted 21/09/2012 at 11:12:04
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078 Posted 21/09/2012 at 14:57:53
080 Posted 21/09/2012 at 15:07:04
Moyes will have an eye on a robust match at Leeds and Neville may be preserved for that match. I think we'll destroy Swansea, especially with so many players, including that £2m Spanish dude missing... Chico or something.
Anyways, Jelavic was on poor form. 1 goal in 4. Terrible!
081 Posted 21/09/2012 at 15:17:27
Just hope he doesn't stick Johnny in midfield.
083 Posted 21/09/2012 at 15:25:59
088 Posted 21/09/2012 at 16:15:59
Howard
Coleman Jag Heitinga Baines
Pienaar Osman Fellaini Oviedo
Naismith Mirallas
But Moyes will probably go with something like this
Howard
Neville Jag Distin Baines
Heitinga
Mirallas Osman Pienaar
Fellaini
Anichebe
089 Posted 21/09/2012 at 16:33:33
I might be reluctant to split Pienaar and Baines up though. Wasn't aware that Tony was a doubt when I wrote this so that puts a cat amongst the pigeons (don't tell Duncan!). A good time for Coleman to show what he can do for sure...
091 Posted 21/09/2012 at 16:41:42
092 Posted 21/09/2012 at 16:43:15
As I said though Moyes will pick a totally different side. I can't see him dropping Jag or Distin even though one of them deserves to be but Hibbert being injured has played beautifully into Moyes's hands.
It now means he'll put Neville at right back and bring Heitinga into midfield (where he is shite). This way he doesn't have to upset any of his favourites.
093 Posted 21/09/2012 at 16:52:36
096 Posted 21/09/2012 at 16:56:00
102 Posted 21/09/2012 at 17:13:23
105 Posted 21/09/2012 at 17:21:05
If we had a full squad i'd agree but we've players injured, i'm not talking about breaking them up for good.
I do still think Baines was immense without Pienaar. I might have my times mixed up but didn't he top the assist charts while Pienaar was at Spurs?
106 Posted 21/09/2012 at 17:22:30
The lad has been here a couple of days but you want to break up the successful Baines/Pienaar partnership for an untried youngster. madness I tells thee
111 Posted 21/09/2012 at 17:34:57
Give Vic a chance,he has shown signs of improvement in the last 12 months. If he doesn't take it,he'll be back on the bench when Jelavic is back.
112 Posted 21/09/2012 at 16:24:46
I think both Mirallas and Naismith are too weak in the air to play as strikers. Vellios is very decent in the air so he should be in direct contest with Anichebe for who will start up top against Swansea.
I think they should both start against Swansea, but Moyes will never leave his favourite 4-4-1-1 formation. There will have to be changes made, and I fear Moyes will screw it up somehow.
The defence is leaking so Jags should be put on the bench, Heitinga is our best playing defender so that is the first change that has to happen.
Mirallas and Naismith are not 100% match fit yet so Vellios and Anichebe will have to step up to the plate. Anichebe will probably get the nod in front of Vellios, but Vellios at least has to be on the bench in case Anichebe does not work out.
Howard
Hibbert-Heitinga-Distin-Baines
Naismith-Fellaini-Osman-Pienaar
Mirallas
Anichebe
I think this will be the the team picked, but with Moyes love for Jags then we will probably see the same defence that has only got us 1 point in the last two games. After two games with just 1 point we are heading for a downward spiral, our defence is weak, as is our midfield, so Moyes has a job to do to reverse the trend.
Time to show some balls now, Moyes.
113 Posted 21/09/2012 at 17:56:50
But I totally agree with you.
114 Posted 21/09/2012 at 17:55:49
Out of interest what would your team be?
We have a small squad and we have a few injuries. We either have to try something new or carry on picking players who have been shite.
116 Posted 21/09/2012 at 17:54:52
Gibson may have been a bit-part Man Utd player, but he is a solid central midfielder who can do everything a central midfielder needs to do.
Osman may have a good footballing brain and decent technique, but he's not going to win many battles against more substantial players. Cahill - although rarely deployed in central midfield - always seemed to lack a bit of quality when operating so deep, and he was not so mobile. Neville and Heitinga can "do a job", but they are both poor midfielders.
For years we operated with a central 3 probably out of necessity, because any two of our midfielders were generally too poor to stand up to most other teams' pairings. For the first time with Gibson, we have a player who may not be a world beater, but along with fellaini are a match for most.
As for the team tomorrow, I probably wouldn't start with victor. I'd play naismith behind mirallas with coleman on the right wing. Victors biggest problem over the years has been his attitude. On Monday for the first time in a long time we saw a hungry player willing to work and put himself about. Unless the penny has finally dropped with him, I suspect he may revert to type if given a start. Only Moyes knows if he looks hungry enough to be given the opportunity.
Elsewhere in the team, I'd love to see Junior given a start in place of Gibson. He looked quality in pre-season and a central 3 of osman, fellaini and junior would be much stronger than anything involving Neville or Heitinga(who should play instead of jags).
135 Posted 21/09/2012 at 19:36:50
138 Posted 21/09/2012 at 19:49:16
139 Posted 21/09/2012 at 19:52:40
I think Neville has been shit and Distin hasn't been too good. Thats all it takes, to drop 2 players till we're left with either the new lad or kids taking their place.
147 Posted 21/09/2012 at 20:18:00
I'm surprised anyone thinks for a second Coleman could cope at RB. The lad isn't good enough defensively at all.
It would be good to give Oviedo some game time but we can't afford to break up Baines and Pienaar while we are weakened in other departments.
We can't play with Ossie (lightweight) and Neville (too slow) together in central midfield again tomorrow. They were cruelly exposed in the second half against the Barcodes. Felli has to get back in the engine room to sort things out.
I'd go with:
Howard
Neville (unless Hibbert is fit), Jags, Distin, Baines
Naismith, Fellaini, Osman, Pienaar
Mirallas
Big Vic.
162 Posted 21/09/2012 at 22:32:24
It does not take an expert to see the little fellow cannot sustain the tempo for 90 minutes.
172 Posted 21/09/2012 at 23:54:33
I'd be happy with any combination of two from our three centre backs, and Heitinga would be my top choice. I think I'd probably edge Distin over Jagielka though.
Otherwise, although I think he's very limited, Coleman's inclusion would offer natural width allowing Naismith and Mirallas to express themselves through the middle in what would actually be a very fluid and difficult to mark forward line with Pienaar drifting inside and those two and Osman floating all over the place.
I think we all know that Vic is going to start and Neville and Osman will play in midfield though, so it was fun thinking about it for a few seconds, but never mind.
175 Posted 22/09/2012 at 00:21:30
Hibbo JH Distin Baines
Fella
Naismith Osman Barkley -aww shit! loaned out - Pienaar
Mirallas
Stick Coleman on the right since Barkley is on temporary leave...
181 Posted 22/09/2012 at 04:41:05
Coleman Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Mirallas Osman Fellaini Pienaar
Naismith
Anichebe
Subs: Junior, Neville, Oviedo, Gueye, Distin, Vellios, Mucha
Knowing Moyes, he will likely play Neville instead of Coleman. In any case, the bench looks really poor. Unless Oviedo is our 'secret weapon' and Gueye has come out from his Olympics experience all fired up.
182 Posted 22/09/2012 at 06:37:56
288 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:07:05
I think we all know who the most important player is for us now. If Moyes drops big Vic for Jelavic now, we should all be in uproar!
298 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:35:24
471 Posted 23/09/2012 at 10:43:17
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077 Posted 21/09/2012 at 14:43:07
Moyes's reasoning will be that against Newcastle we enjoyed our best first half during his reign and that Anichebe found the net twice in the second. Thus Mirallas will continue on the right but doing a switch act with Victor. Should be good enough to see for Swansea.