Season 2012-13
Opinion
Talking Points
A Little Change Against Stoke
Just a little thought of a possibility of a little change of tactics and formation against Stoke.
Moyes might want to change things a little, go 4-4-2, put Vellios up top with Jelavic and then drop Fellaini back. I say this because (1) Stoke play 4-4-2 so we wouldn't be overrun in midfield, and (2) Stoke are good with their heads and have tall players and putting Vellios in might make a difference. He won a few headers when he came on last week.
I know it would be a bit harsh on the player dropped in midfield; I wouldn't want to make that decision, but this could be a tactic Moyes uses. I mean he's done something similar before a few years ago, when he shoved Jagielka right back, and put Yobo in the middle to give us some extra height.
Do we think it's a good idea? Do we think Moyes will do it?
Ben Jones, Posted 11/12/2012 at 12:37:02
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525 Posted 11/12/2012 at 16:14:18
526 Posted 11/12/2012 at 16:13:16
534 Posted 11/12/2012 at 16:37:52
538 Posted 11/12/2012 at 16:43:59
542 Posted 11/12/2012 at 16:46:33
'sake.
548 Posted 11/12/2012 at 16:54:58
Not sure it does too often, though. And starting 4-4-2 is anathema in extremis!
550 Posted 11/12/2012 at 16:59:06
What I mean is: Stoke employ lots (and lots) of long balls. Primarily these come from their centre-backs or full-backs (as opposed to the wingers or centre-midfielders dropping back for the ball and then playing a long "pass"). With 2 up front, we could press the ball (and the defenders) quicker, giving them less time to tee-up their hoofs. You might not think there's a major difference, but the less time they have to judge their long ball, the less accurate the end result should be. It also makes them play the ball a little quicker, thus making it harder for the rest of their team to get into position for the "second ball" (or knock down).
With 2 forwards, we would need each player to work one side of the pitch, chasing and harrying the centre-back or full-back on his side, making sure they get little time on the ball. It may, just may, make it easier to then defend the resultant pass.
Of course, you could also argue that Everton shouldn't be brought down to their level, and should instead stick with the attractive passing game we've employed to reasonable effect thus far this season. For me, this is one of the areas where I'm not sure Moyes tinkers enough. Benitez (loath him though we all do), or Mourinho, are much more proactive in setting up their teams based on the relative strengths and weaknesses of the opposition. Moyes I think concentrates more on motivating the players (whereas someone like Redknapp just crosses his fingers and hopes the players will deliver by keeping them happy).
If it was me, and god knows there's a multitude of reasons why it's Moyes and not me managing Everton, I'd be looking at exploiting Stoke's lack of footballing ability.
552 Posted 11/12/2012 at 17:07:35
557 Posted 11/12/2012 at 17:20:30
A 4-2-3-1 will make Stoke park the bus and that would see us undone... Mirallas stretching his hams just to get down the wing and cross a ball for their tall defence to head away?
Playing devil's advocate here, of course, but, even when you think Moyes has cracked it he changes formation and Anichebe is suddenly on the wing, so I wouldn't bet against it.
561 Posted 11/12/2012 at 17:41:49
A Moyes hint to the press beforehand would be tactful regarding Stokes disregard to legal defending.
Play good football, hope for a decent ref and we will win.
563 Posted 11/12/2012 at 17:58:04
The change I would maybe make might be to swap Osman and Fellaini.
Fella can then use his height to help us defensively and win the second balls after their punts while Osman presence as the link to attack (a role he has performed well before) will force us to keep the ball on the ground rather than pumping balls into their box that they will head away all day.
572 Posted 11/12/2012 at 18:23:08
This fixture has got to be by far the worst of the season, always a chance someone's leg will be broken or a goal that resembles something from a Rugby field,crikey I'm feeling slightly depressed at the thought of it, and can someone tell Pulis he should of done his exercises before the game, just walk on and off the pitch like every one else you tit.
603 Posted 11/12/2012 at 21:47:31
The ref is Mark Halsey and, no, I'm not going to pass any comment on that appointment...
I agree, though, that we should just go out and play our usual mixed game.
609 Posted 11/12/2012 at 22:12:32
628 Posted 11/12/2012 at 22:58:46
Halsey reminds me of that kind of ref.
637 Posted 12/12/2012 at 00:50:30
I don't necessarily agree with it, just a suggestion Moyes might do, considering we have seen a lot recently about adding tall players.
I am concerned about set pieces though: we only really have Distin, Fellaini, Jelavic and Jags who are good with the head. Even Jags ain't more than 6 foot.
Stoke have all their 4 defenders (they often play centre backs in either full back positions), N'Zonzi, Crouch and Walters, whilst Adam, as much as he's a dickhead, has a hell of a left foot on him.
Just something to think about.
639 Posted 12/12/2012 at 01:02:14
No... play 4-2-3-1 but on the deck or mid-level crosses.
653 Posted 12/12/2012 at 07:12:01
655 Posted 12/12/2012 at 07:45:36
674 Posted 12/12/2012 at 11:03:52
755 Posted 12/12/2012 at 18:02:14
For this reason, we need HIbbert as rightback on Saturday and not Coleman. The fewer the crosses, the better it'd be for us.
838 Posted 13/12/2012 at 06:59:19
871 Posted 13/12/2012 at 11:39:17
Nothing complicated about this football lark.
922 Posted 13/12/2012 at 18:55:07
ps: Same team as Spurs will do me, 4-5-1 but I would like to see Anichebe (what has happened to him) used instead of Vellios! Christ, did I really say that!
943 Posted 13/12/2012 at 21:25:16
So long as Heitinga doesn't play I think we will cope OK. Distin and Jags are both good enough in the air and Felli should come back to mark Crouch for set pieces.
One thing is that no-one will be in danger of being bitten by Crouch. :0))
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522 Posted 11/12/2012 at 15:56:23