I think it will be difficult to know who to buy this Summer before the Fellaini issue is sorted out too. I see RM has said that he is staying but I'm not convinced it will be that simple. Hopefully not another Lescott saga.

I think with Bobby M in charge, we could be seeing more flair and exciting players being bought. One question: Where has BK suddenly found money from?

Some early signings would be a boost for supporters and would also offer the chance for Martinez to show he means business. Having said that I would like his first signing to be Baines on a new contract.

Personally I've always held the view that our lateness in transfer dealings was partly to get the lowest price as the window closes but also to ensure we didn't get involved in a bidding war (more likely early in a transfer window) and which I suspect, more often than not, we would lose!

We might shave weeks off transfer negotiations with a manager who doesn't go through bins, ask for stool samples and conduct a personal smear test on wives and partners before committing to 'talks'.

MOYES: Usually. We went 24 times to watch Joleon Lescott before we signed him from Wolves. People called me ‘dithering Davie’ because I watched players so many times but I couldn’t afford to get it wrong. When you’re looking in an alternative market, you’re not going to find someone who you’re sure about straight away and is ready to come into the team. If he was that good, he would have been taken by the others. We watched Phil Jagielka a lot too. I saw him play badly for England B but we went for him. I liked Leighton Baines after seeing him for the England Under 21s. But neither player got straight into our team once they arrived. It took time.

The first is to assess whether he's someone who's worth having.
In this respect I can't criticise Moyes looking at Lescott 24 times. Lets face it must be easier when Lionel Messi is the target!

Secondly having made the decision to go for a player there needs to be some sort of strategy as to when; how much; and how is it to be moved forward.

Some of this second stage may well have been in someone else's hands e.g. Robert Elstone's. This may have contributed to the apparent fall out between DM And RE.

Roberto Martinez does not become Everton manager until 1st July. How is he going to make signings in June when he doesn't even start the job until July?????

Plus I think David Moyes is still currently Everton manager. At least he's still being paid until July. Do you think Moyes is going to allow Martinez to change things while he's still in charge?????

Personally I don't want Martinez to make any signings in June. I would prefer the following happen.

1. Martinez becomes Everton manager on July 1st.
2. Martinez spends a few weeks working with the current squad.
3. Martinez gains knowledge and understanding of his squad.
4. Martinez identifies any weakness in the squad.
5. Martinez looks for new players to strengthen the squad.
6. Martinez starts signing players in August.

Personally I feel it would be stupid for Martinez to start signing players before he's even started the job. Before he's even had one single training sessions with the squad.

We all want new players but lets be practical and give Martinez a chance to work with the current squad and assess it. At the very least lets give him a chance to actually start the job first.

Demanding transfers from Martinez a full month before he even starts the job seems unfair and silly.

I tend to agree, but how do you expect Martinez to spend a few weeks with the squad in early july and gain knowledge and understanding?

Firstly, I doubt he'll get more than a few minutes with each one in the first couple of weeks pre-season (some won't even be there for it - those who have international duties probably wont even have to report in until mid july I would guess).

Secondly, you gain nothing from looking at few training sessions with players who've been on their holidays for a few weeks.

Thirdly, with all the scouting and analysis of opposition, and having played the everton team many times, I would imagine he'd have a good enough view without even having to see them roll up to the training ground.

Most early pre-season schedules are simply about building fitness backup to match level, Nothing to see there...

This managerial contract situation is an interesting one - it was obviously discussed at length when Moyes left as he appeared to be working for Man United prior to his official start date, in that he was there assessing which staff he would keep on, dealing with the Rooney situation etc.

Equally, Martinez (incidentally, I forget who but someone on here mentioned the pronunciation recently - I was in Spain last week and am reliably informed the stress is on the 'i') has signed a contract and has been 'appointed' Everton manager. It may have a start date of 1 July, but I imagine he is already working. Indeed, we know he is because he has been responding to speculation about Fellaini and Baines. If Moyes were still in charge and Martinez weren't, surely he wouldn't be asked those questions. Football, in that respect, seems different from other lines of work. There are contractual start and end dates, but they seem very loose.

I take your point that RM might perhaps want to see first hand what he has to work with once the players return to training. However, as has been alluded to by other posters at some point, he is an experienced Premier League manager who must already have some idea of our squad and areas where it might be improved, in the same way you or I could probably offer reasonably well informed opinions about what positions other teams than our own might need to strengthen.

Martinez is already operating as Everton's manager. Just as Moyes is already operating as United's manager. We're not talking about jobs at Spar here! We're talking about people paid millions a year!

To believe that Martinez doesn't already know everything he needs to know about Everton is naive in the extreme. He will also know who he wants to bring in. If we were to follow your programme we will end up with last minute chaos as we did last January!

Incidently, by the way, isn't Roberto's accent funny? He says 'Club' with a real northern accent but other words sound very Spanish.

I also thought we signed Bilyaletdinov on the recommendation of Hiddink?

http://www.tribalfootball.com/everton-boss-Moyes-hiddink-recommended-bilyaletdinov-297881

Lets say for example he pushed through a transfer for Victor Moses. Then on the 1st of July he trains for the first time with the squad and realises that actually he's got Ross Barkley who is better then Moses. OH DEAR ROBERTO YOU HAVE JUST WASTED ALL YOUR BUDGET ON A PLAYER NOT AS GOOD AS THE ONE YOU ALREADY HAD.

Now I'm not suggesting Barkley is better than Moses. Just that he or maybe somebody else could be. And Martinez should work with the squad before making decisions like that.

The Everton transfer budget is a very limited thing and should be treasured and spent VERY WISELY.

The only way for Martinez to spend that money wisely is to first work with his current squad and identify where that money should be spent.

If Martinez spends a single pound before even a single training session with his current players then I will be pissed. I don't want any transfers until after July 1st.

My issue with the tardiness of our movements is the failure to have sufficient time to sign alternative targets if our choices fall through. For example the Ofoe and Fer situations. Ironically we seem to be able to offload players and loan out with much more alacrity and efficiency.We actually loaned out four players including Gueye and Barkley, so effectively weakened our squad instead of strengthening it.

I am certain that Moyes was as frustrated as us fans and I'm sure that, had he signed two or three players during the January window, we would have made the top four.

YES, because Billion pound clubs are run like this.

The reason we don't sign players early is because the sky money isn't available until August.

Martinez will sign players when he is good and ready – and not before. Let the guy get on with his job.

Incidentally, if there is a need for a 'culture change' as you so put it, you can't change the culture of a club overnight. It takes time. Martinez and his backroom staff need time to bed in. Honestly... this country...

What is the point of signing a player then thinking shit a had this lad in the ressies what a waste of money.

McAleny for instance 10 goals in 11 games coming back from injury.
does he just neeed a chance? Or should Martinez just go and buy? Moses?

Barkley we all think he is good enough, does he need a run of games or Martinez go and buy a attcking Midfielder?

Lundstrum Will he get a chance.

Kennendy is another one rave review's for the U21's never got a look in does Martinez go and buy McManaman?

Hey if it is the 21st July and Martinez pays £20 Million for a striker and turns round and said "I looked at the squad and there are players who 18,19,20,21 years old that good enough for the sqaud but we needed a striker"

What would your thought be?

Same goes for Martinez, right?

Don't be surprised if things this summer are just as traumatic where signings are concerned - I can't see how we will suddenly have millions of pounds to spend willy-nilly on players, regardless of the TV deal and possible sale of Fellaini.

Chances are we'll pick up a couple of Wigan players (God help us) for about £10m the pair and that will be it.

All these links with players in the papers are mostly bullshit to fill column inches (we all know that), and various talk of this player & that is fabtasy manager stuff.

I'll wager we don't sign anyone until July at the very earliest.

Until Fellaini is sold, how can we make moves for players if we don't have any cash?

These are massive multi million pound transactions for human beings - it's like the slave trade in some ways and not the same as buying a car off eBay for example. There's a lot to consider when you're spending millions of pounds of someone elses money and the way people talk about transfers seems to miss these points.

Just because £5m sounds like a low amount in the grand scheme of football transfers, doesn't stop it being £5m, which is a LOT of money to throw away without doing your research first!

And before anyone mentions the Jan window (last). We didn't buy anyone, with the supposed money available. Well I think that was a load of shite. Just a sweetener, BK, said we could have bought Fer, one problem he was injured. How long were they following him? And now there is talk of buying him again. But he's injured isn't he? Has I've said a load of shite.

And before anyone mentions the Jan window (last). We didn't buy anyone, with the supposed money available. Well I think that was a load of shite. Just a sweetener, BK, said we could have bought Fer, one problem he was injured. How long were they following him? And now there is talk of buying him again. But he's injured isn't he? Has I've said a load of shite.

Funny, he played the rest of the season for them, and even played a few Internationals - nothing wrong with his knee at all.

If Fellaini doesnt go then we will be waiting for the t.v. money again this year because I cant see us having much money before that date

If I remember, there were 2 years worth of TV money borrowed against. I don't know if they renewed the 2nd year last season.

OK so he talks bollocks a lot of the time, but to say he wants to do things to deliberately make the club worse for his own gains is nonsense in my opinion.

It's not as though he's tried to sell our best players every year. Arteta left for good money at the right time, so did Rooney, Cahill etc etc. I don't think we've once sold a player just to make money.

We don't have as much money as many in the Premier League, but we compete on the field as best we can within our resources. Would you prefer us to do a Leeds and spend beyond our means for a couple of seasons in the sun? Be really careful what you wish for.

We have paid compensation to the pie eaters to buy him out so we can flaunt Bobby M officially as our gaffer!

He's not sorted out his staff yet, not met his players yet, starts playing friendlies in USA on the 14th July I believe... bloody hell, he's going to have a nervous breakdown before the Prem starts!

This is why you're only as good as your staff, but as I say, they're not in place yet.

Without the SKY money we should still be able to provide funds for early business so that any new player/s could be bedded in before the season starts.

Money was supposedly available for the acquisition of Fer plus the loaning IN of Ofoe.

FFS stop giving this miserly board excuses.