Pienaar completes Everton return

Had our financial state not been made so precarious by said Chairman and Board then I feel we'd not only have kept Pienaar in the 1st place but maybe even better quality of players around him. Please think about the much bigger picture! Thanks...

Secondly, should we not be aiming higher than loan signings?

I was disappointed when he went but understood the reasons at the time. We didn't have money to pay more and he fancied his chances at Spurs.
Now, after it didn't work at Spurs and we have a little more for wages, he has come back and I'm happy about it.
The price we sold at and the price we bought him back on are based on contract length and value. Doesn't feel good but that's how it works.

I won't be holding my breath for many more players. I think the winger and the forward are probably just one man: Naismith.

Seriously, is the picture link working for anyone else? This is all that's on the agents' website.

And we've found the money without selling anyone else. Amazing!

Mark, be thankful. It was Evertonian time that gave the Yak his age-defying properties.

Anyway, glad that Pienaar's back.

Was him in an Everton sweatshirt with pen in hand and piece of paper in front of him.

Our squad is now far smaller than it was for the past few seasons and our wage bill is considerable decreased.

I just hope that the youngsters come through and replace the players that have left. Opportunity knocks for Barkley, Junior and Rodwell to show their worth and make the fans forget the players who left.

I just believe that the Pienaar departure and buy back represents poor management and is a further example of how poorly the club is run.

It's not too long ago that Gosling left for nothing when he would surely have brought at least two million pounds to the club. Now Pienaar after being allowed to depart is costing us more than we received for him and he is over a year older.

We have done okay under the circumstances. Kenwright is responsible for these appalling circumstances and the criticism of those such as the Blue Union for daring to look for change is beyond belief. I like Naismith ; Pienaar is a good player but if this is time to rejoice then we are contentedly heading towards disaster.

Five or six years ago this close season would have been considered unacceptable , the fact that many think that two average signings in July is cause to rejoice suggests, to me, that Kenwright has won and is here to stay.

In Jan we had Landon, Straq, Drenthe & Pienaar. Is it limited at 2 per window?

...If so wud love to see Landon + Cahill in Jan and two others now....

Anyway, welcome back Pienaar, the team need you, I will just have to get over the money grabbing feelings I had about you when you left..

Johnson on loan is unrealistic I think, but Lukaku looks likely and is a good shout. I envisage another random loan signing from somewhere too, but probably wait another 3, 4 weeks for that one.

Right winger is more important for anything though.

He deserves nothing less than utmost respect. And I would love to see him back for a swansong in Jan. Tickets would be as rare as salami at a bar mitzvah.

I do respect what the guy said about his reasons for not going to another Premier league club but I don't see as how a CL club would have come in for him.

Right now we need to manage our limited resources very very well. If selling an older player like Cahill means we get to use his wages to pay Pienaar or some other palyer who will bring more to the squad then I am all for it.

I have been an Everton supporter for 20 odd years but have never been to Goodison yet. I hope to make my first trip this season Liverpool for the Merseyside derby at Goodison. Can anyone advise as to the best way to get tickets for me and my family as well as the best seats at Goodison?

Thanks

1) Can we desist from calling him Peanuts?

2) Can we buy someone in an attacking role (preferably right wing) with some pace?

I just realised though, that we still haven't sold Yobo yet. I really thought selling Yobo would fund the Pienaar deal. I know Cahill has left, but the official site said he left on a nominal fee, although I think Cahill was on £50k a week, and of course that will go straight to Pienaar.

I just wondered what people thought of this. I think us selling Yobo afterwards might mean we might have some cash to spend, albeit probably on loan fees, but still cash to spend!! It wouldnt make sense if we had every intention to use the Yobo money to fund the Pienaar deal.

Who knows?! But it makes me a bit more optimistic

THat's got to be over 100,000 a week saved since they left.

Pienaar was here for the second half of the season so wages would be a small adjustment either side of that so NAismoth for Tiny must equal a wage saving.

If Yobo goes that should theoretically fund someone else especiaaly with this TV money that everyone is going on about.

Zaid
I assume by family you will be bringing kids so I would suggest writing to the club and enquiring about the " Family enclosure".

Yes I will hopefully be coming with my 2 little ones....

COYB!

Might be a good idea to get Zapata on a free and maybe some maverick loan in. Think Lukaku is still looking for a loan.

I really can't understand the down on the clubs dealing. We had no choice but to sell as his contract was coming to an end and he wanted to go. Spurs were the highest bidder so he went there, we wanted him back and to get him we had to pay what Spurs asked. It's the market in action.

Pienaar was quoted as saying he wanted to play Champions League football. However, that doesn't suit your case. I mean, you can't use that as a stick to twat Moyes with, can you?

In addition to that, he could have gone for nothing six months after we sold him, so getting a reported £3m for him was a better deal than keeping him and letting his contract run out, and Spurs sign him for free.

Everton could be criticised IF they were playing some sort of brinksmanship, hoping Pienaar would sign an improved offer, but he wanted to go. His choice.

I felt it at the time but cant really say Pienaar conned us either as he never fully committed to us in the build up to his contract renewal. The big mistake we made was not selling him 12 months earlier when it was clear he was going to go to the highest bidder and wanted Champions League football.

Maybe Pienaar was the one that was “conned” into thinking the grass was greener on the other side, but then I think he knew the score to be honest didn’t he.

So, all in all, it's not a "con" it's just how football works nowadays.

Forgive me if I’ve got the maths wrong here, and this is no doubt simplistic, but this is how I think it works out:

Scenario A – Pienaar asks for 4 year deal 18 months ago @ £70k p.a. = £14.5m deal ending in Jan 2015. At that point he’ll be 32 so we might get a nominal sell on fee of £1m or we get another two years or so out of him at lower wages. So 4 years costs us £13.5m.

Scenario B – we let Pienaar go for £3m but buy him back for £4.5m - £1.5m down on the deal. We agree a 4 year deal worth £10.5m which expires when the player is 34, no sell on fee. 4 year deal has cost us £12m.

So, all in all we’re £1.5m better off than we would be had we done what you’re recommending and conceded to his wages demands – not taking into account the £3m we’ve saved in wages whilst he’s been gone.

So – in essence, we’ve saved £1.5m - £4.5m, strengthened the wage structure and made it clear we won’t be held to ransom by players? Or am I just being gullible?

Other obvious factors are that we’ve missed out on 18 months of what are going to be Pienaar’s best years – which in your defence have probably cost us a higher place in the league and maybe even a Cup Final, who knows. But then he's missed out on those years too getting no first team football which has probably taught him a lesson to be honest.

Maybe the Pienaar we got back was a better player in part due to getting some great experience training with, if not playing with, the best Spurs team in decades. Maybe he’s picked up a few tricks from Hawwy as you like to call him, who knows.

The Pienaar we got back was the best we’ve seen, what’s yet to be seen is whether he was just playing to facilitate a move back and his form will drop but I think he’s going to push on and try and get us somewhere now. Lets face it, this is going to be his last major move so it boils down to how he wants to look back on his career and I think he’ll want it to end on a high, who knows.

One thing we do know is we’ve got a great player back, a senior pro and an international club captain. If my maths is right we’re better off financially and you never know, he might even be telling the likes of Barkley, Baines et al that maybe the grass isn’t greener on the other side after all.

So – all in all, I'm glad he's back, and well done to David Moyes for getting him back.

Let's just hope he's quicker than Neville in his last year(s) before retirement.

Nice analysis thatnks, kinda covers what I wanted to say.

I only have one issue..............Peter Barry wouldn't be caught dead applauding Everton or calling them shrewd whilst his two favorite people are in charge!!

Well said, people trying to put spin on us losing money here is laughable - should have been brave enough to flog him at decent money before it got to the "spurs" stage.

The only thing I would agree with the spin doctors about is he's a much better performer for his coaching at Spurs.

Your point on him being a better player since returning will be seized on by the sheep no doubt as further proof of just how smart Daft Davey, is just wait and see.

Oh wait I see Mike Green # 156 has done exactly that. QED.

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Neville Heitinga Distin Baines
Rodwell Gibson Pienaar
Naismith
Fela
Jelavić

Subs: Mucha, Jagielka, Hibbert, Barkley, Coleman, Junior, Anichebe.

Your posts do tend toward early 80's Derek Hatton in their style too.

The irony is that you appear more rigid in your own version of all things blue than the so-called "sheep" that you like to refer to...

I don't think it's a bad price, even taking his age into account, for a player who has been and will continue to be (hopefully) the heartbeat of the team.

Massive confidence boost to the rest of the squad no doubt as well; fingers crossed for a good start!!

Sorry Peter you are right.....I hate the world and everything is shit......and its all Daft Davey and BK's fault

'The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt'. — Bertrand Russell.

I don't know and I don't really care BUT I could look at the pics all day long and try and work out their meaning.

If there are any dirty old men out there perhaps you would care to ' ave a gander!!

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/photos/beach-volley-what-do-those-hand-signals-mean-slideshow/#crsl=%252Fphotos%252Fbeach-volley-what-do-those-hand-signals-mean-slideshow%252Fbeach-volleyball-what-do-those-hand-signals-mean-photo-1343817170.html

But, hey, let's not let the facts get in the way of a good story.

"Your point on him being a better player since returning will be seized on by the sheep no doubt as further proof of just how smart Daft Davey, is just wait and see.

Oh wait I see Mike Green # 156 has done exactly that. QED."

Interesting stuff, if a bit crazy. I think you'll find it was my point that Barry was agreeing with, not the other way around. He gives this away with the word " agree" in "The only thing I would agree with the spin doctors about is he's a much better performer for his coaching at Spurs."

There's also little clue in that my post was #155 @ 7.39am and Barry's was #162 @ 9.31am. 155 comes before 162 but we should probably leave maths at the door, eh.

Now, I'm relatively clever, but not clever enough to "seize" on something thats not going to said for another two hours.... even when it's based a point I made in the first place.

My point now I guess is - have you got something constructive to say, or is this just one big wind up......?

But then you knew I was going to say that, didn't you?

Is Shane Duffy's inevitable rise to stardom another one of those things that are beyond criticism and cannot be questioned?

Andrew Ellams # 184 Please look at all my posts on the subject and point out where I have said Pienaar would not be an asset to Everton. You won't be able to find one of course. My point is and has always been the insanity, incompetence and inefficiency of Daft Davey and BK in this matter and the laughing stock that they and Spurs have made of Everton in the process.