Moyes slams Pip for 'diving'

If Moyes wants to make a statement, whilst at the same time, edge Neville out of the team, he should strip him of the captains armband with immediate effect.

You cannot have your captain for whatever reason undermining the manager and worse still giving the media and LFC a get out of jail free card.

Sorry, it is just not good enough.

How so? You telling me Man U don't have their fair share of divers? Nani, Young, Welbeck? At Man U he'd have got a hammering off Fergie for not being convincing enough. Ex Man U players have admitted that they were encouraged to dive to win pens / get red cards for the opposition.

The nature of diving is itself subjective...take Torres yesterday. He was clipped, that is certain. But it is also pretty certain, that that clip would not have caused him to fall over. So did he dive? If Jelavic is clipped in the area, how ever little force, I want him to go down. And when players don't go down when they clipped, and play on, referees often don't give a penalty, because no referee wants to give a penalty.

Neville fell over yesterday...it was foolish, and a little bit of funny, and I have no idea how he has embarrassed the integrity of our club. He is not a repeat offender; he made one error of judgement. In every match fouls will be made to gain an advantage, players will argue over every foul and attempt to manipulate the referee and players will be unjustly taken out etc etc, all as a means to obtain an advantage. Diving is just another means to take an advantage, and is used by the media, to demonize certain vogue figures. Welbeck dived in a match in the previous qualifiers...it was wholly obvious, but was completely ignored by the commentators. If it had been Ronaldo, we've have been subjected to a 5minute discussion on the problems of diving, and numerous follow up articles. The recent media fervor re. simulation, would better be directed at the problematic treatment of racism in football.

SAF, and most of the other apologists managing Premier League teams would have tried to make excuses for the dive.

We see it after every game in some form or other, particularly when a so called top team is beaten by one of the so called lesser teams. It's always that they were unlucky, bad decisions against them etc. etc...never the opposition played well today and beat us. Graceless beings these managers!

I'm actually impressed that Moyes publicly blasted Neville and that Neville put his hands up and took both barrels without making excuses.

That type of behaviour should ensure our clubs integrity. You know it won't happen again.

I'm with Steve. Both Moyes and Pip handled it properly and in appropriate Everton style. Foot up arse, apology made, move on. As Jim says, monkey noises are a far bigger problem in world football right now than diving.

But Jim, I think you -- and the ref -- were mistaken about Torres. If he doesn't go down, that "clip" would have been a pretty ugly studs-first whack on the shin.

I think there is a difference between going down easily after being clipped and going over after not being touched at all. The first one forces the ref into making a decision. The second one is blatant cheating and should be retrospectively punished by the powers that be. If cheats got a ban they would soon stop it.

Actually, in the way both Neville and Moyes have since reacted to the moment, I'd say the difference between us and the RS has never been clearer.

He should be given a fine so to set a standard.

Difference between the two clubs is that Moyes will give a half time rollicking, where as BR will say better luck next time.

Still if you compare that and the Torres disgrace yesterday with some of the antics of that weasal across the park and Bale this season and last, it is still laughable.

It would speak volumes I think and really help keep the press and media a bit more onside...just a thought.

Having said that, he was immense against Man Utd in August and he was very good yesterday. I am starting to think that, at his age, he should play more sparingly, and in these kind of blood and thunder games.

Essentially says how he took the club for a ride for a few years more interested in girls and booze than football.

I had some sympathy towards the guy with his my daughter my daughter stories, but I get the impression it was the excuse rather than the cause.

AVDM, not you...

The Agger reaction was priceless though. funny/embarrassing moment. He must have been thinking "Really old man?...Really???" lol

(nothing to do with the dive like, I think I posted the same after QPR)

IMO he never really dived, but to protest about it afterwards would only make him look foolish given the context of the Suarez controversy.

If you look at the incident, he was actually pushed over by the RS defender.

I just think his mea culpa afterwards was part of the excellent PR which saw EFC claim the moral high ground after the Rat Boy's "dive" at Mr. Moyes.

or if it is for real ,as Mike points out, you are a serious mentalist.

I remember Jags getting a 10/10 for his dive to win a pen, I think it was against Villa? That was swept under the carpet on here.

Also, just because Neville apologised doesn't make it all okay, it just makes us out to be hypocrits, slagging everyone else off for diving. At the end of the day, whether it was his first time or not, he still cheated.

It was a moment of madness and totally out of character.

It doesn't make me a hypocrite to slag other players off who cheat week in week out.

However, frankly I thought it was hilarious. A classic piece of postmodern irony.

Comedy gold.

And how that man even remained on the field by the end is a mystery to me, after 2 tackles which warranted at least a yellow each. All very well taking the moral high ground about the disallowed goal, but he shouldn't have even been on the pitch by that point!

I doubt he's even got a funny bone - he's just a nut-case.

By the way, there's so much "moral high ground" in this thread, I'm going down the mountain.

That's a joke, right? The manager who has bought and praised Ronaldo, Nani, Berbatov and Hernandez?!

Ferguson has NEVER punished one of his players for diving. And unlike Moyes, he has NEVER come out after a game and publicly criticised one of his players for diving.

Ludicrous comment, Patrick!

Has Rio packed his bags yet for not wearing the Kick it Out shirt?