Distin describes pain of FA Cup exit

No mate it should have been 0:4 at HT.

They should all be made to watch a full re-run of the game every single day until Jelavic scores a goal. See how much that hurts.

I have an awful lot of time for him in that respect and I just hope the team as a collective bounces back and shows some passion or his words will end up sounding a little hollow.

Yes 'move on' being the operative words - Moyes, Neville, Heitinger,Osman,Fellain Anichebe and Round not to mention a couple of others than haven't/can't make the grade .

Gees I nearly forgot to mention the fella from the Boys Pen> move on........

What's your problem?

The player has clearly been asked to do an interview, so he has and an honest one at that.

People say we don't get enough communication from the club. This is probably why.

The team do need to do a lot better on the pitch but I don't think there's any cause to be up in arms over a 2 minute interview.

And so exactly how much passion was displayed by that 'passionate' bunch of players at The Old Lady Saturday?

It's in your hands boys. Actions speak a lot louder than words.

Just about says it all. £62,000 a week !!!!!!!!!!!

Don't think that would go down too well.

Try working 50 + hours a week in an already overburdend NHS, spending you hard earned on tickets for your lads ( I vowed not to go anymore untill kenwright leaves) picking them up after the game and looking at their faces on the way home.

My middle lad was near to tears and the eldest was apopleptic with rage.
That's hurt Mr Distin, so don't go spouting your bullshit words go and tear Man City a new one on Saturday and prove you give a fuck.

That Wigan game was like groundhog day with regards the Tranmere debacle and I still havn't got over that.

On the other hand, as many people have said, actions speak louder than words. Ultimately, we are not interested in how hurt he or the others are, we demand that against City they play like their very lives depend on it. We need to see the lads show emphatically that they are proud to wear the shirt. Realistically, they're probably not going to be doing that primarily for us, the fans. I think professional pride comes first, although the end result should be the same.

I don't however feel Fellaini was the slightest bit arsed about the result or his performance so don't like being told that the players are hurting as much as us hard up fans turning up to watch this crap.

Time will tell but I feel we have just banged our heads again on that glass ceiling of 7th place and a half arsed cup run.

It's logical they will pretend to be sorry, like they where last year in the semi, like they always are when they fail when it matters. We've been here and seen this multiple times before from the players.

All they are doing now, is making themelves even more hated by the faithful who pay their wages to watch the crap they seem to always serve up.

Nothing they or the ginger one or the fat one in glasses can say will ever change my mind..incompetenance runs throughout this club, from the boardroom down to the manager and the players.

get rid of the lot of them or at least everyone apart from bainsey and mirallas, it also seems to me, that Peanuts has been going through the motions all over again..whether to keep him or get rid may be controversial..how many has he scored in this league this season?

We better had show passion, fight and desire on Saturday or it could be embarrassing.

Stop talking yourselves up in the media and we'll show a little more respect. Do the talking when you've achieved something concrete.

I've a mate that supports Arsenal that feels they're in a similar position, the manager and plays talk about qualifying for something is an achievement, rather than actually winning it.

They're hurt but they still pick up their hundred grand a week.

Howard-- is a liability who sits behind his own goal line most times..lets lots of goals in...blame the defence if you want to..however he has cost us quite a few goals this season.

Jagielka, why does this lad hoof it everywhere, even when not under pressure? We need a passing game, keep possesion, and then the next thing usually is jaggy hoofball meister launching.

Distin - getting too old, gets caught quite a few times.

Neville - utter shite

Heitinga - utter shite, good last season, but a major liability and very poor this season

Coleman - who is coaching this lad? he could be a really good player..but right now..again who coaches him? Not a very good defender, good pace on the wing, but needs to learn to put the ball into the box, instead of trying to take everyone on almost every time.

Pienaar - what to say about this guy? he scored a cracking goal the other week, and supplied well at the start of the season,but where is the pienaar we saw when he was on loan to us? looks a completely different player. I love the guy I really do, but for a long while now, it's like he can't even be bothered, and the one thing that really drives me insane, is his poor corners.

Naismith - not suited to the english game, possibly too technical and too fast for him..who knows. I just know he isn't good enough for our team or the premier league
Osman - A few good games, neat feet, but no pace at all, and distribution and shots can be appauling.

Jelavic - for me not good enough. We need goals, he is bought to score said goals, failed misrably since the home game to spurs on 13 december. scored once since then against the mighty cheltenham in the fa cup. nothing since.

Since moyes has created such a small team, because the man refuses to buy a squad, then as the audacity to complain no in depth to his team, he has to take the blame for these players, after all they where bought with his permission.

Which means we cannot have passengers, taking up rolls they are not good enough for. It leaves us vulnerable all over the place.

I fail to see, where you get off saying what I stated is nonsense. Everyone is entitled to their own views as are you. Perhaps you can enlighten everyone on toffeeweb how the mentioned players above are footballing gods? when they are barely if adequate for a full season, let alone half of one. We have a lot of aging players who are too slow, to ponderous..we can't break fast because of them..hence why I believe we need to do a major team rebuild in the summer. Pienaar can be a quality player..but let us be absolutely clear...the Bainaar axis has been found out, and we need real tactics..something this manager is incapable of comprehending, instead preferring to go week in and week out with the above mentioned players..when in my eyes, and perhaps a few others, they are not good enough...he has kids on the bench who I am betting could do a whole lot better than some of them I have listed!

So a run of bad form and now you want Pienaar out. What a short sighted attitude.

The team are playing poor. Nearly every single player is off form. You can question one or two players, maybe three or four...but when an entire team looks such a shambles you have to ask questions of the manager.

All this about 'not talking until you've won anything'...you do realise that the players are obliged to do interviews. Earlier in the week people were asking for apologies. Here a player comes out and says the team are passionate and that they do care but that they just had a fucking nightmare. What else can he say?

"Sorry guys, Nev dropped us right in the shit and we were utter horse shit all game."

The interviewer probably asked him directly: "Are the team passionate?"

What do you want want him to say?!?!?!

You think he's done the interview on purpose just to say he's sorry? He was probably forced to do by whoever ran the interview, asked a question then he answered honestly.

I agree he was crap, they all were in Saturday, but to criticise the guy because he answered the question is naive and stupid.

There can be no hiding place in a team this small. These players are paid a fortune each week, to perform to their abilities. Not to be a shambles week after week since the spurs game. We have had one half decent display on recently and that was against the might Reading at home.

I simply do not like a number of players in this squad, and the worst thing is, he could have brought them in from the continent, spain for example. But with moyes he loves to play his favourite poor players.

average age of this squad is above 30 years...from a man who claimed he wanted the average age drastically lowered when he took over the reigns..funny how he has gone from an average age of 23 to over 30.

these are paid professionals its their job to play as well as they can week in and out

please mr moyes can I have a new contract? naive if you don't believe that.

You said: "I doubt any other club would give 90% of these players contracts as big as they get here anywhere else either in the prem or the championships" and that is simply not the case. OK? That's what I'm saying. Nothing more, nothing less.

Just keep your mouths shut and do the talking on the pitch.

'Yes I blame the manager for a lot of things he is guilty of. However even you must concede, we have a small squad of players.'

You're contradicting yourself. You seem to be saying that Moyes isn't entirely at fault yet go on to list all the things he could do differently. He is at fault for overplaying Pienaar, Osman, Baines, Jelavić while ignoring the likes of Oviedo, Barkley, Duffy etc. That's his problem - not the players'.

He needs to know when to rest players and when to keep playing them. This 'small squad' line is bullshit. We have an average sized squad but Moyes is unwilling to use it.

One day the folks claim the 'communication from the club is awful,' the next day/ week/ month, EVERYTHING they do say gets slagged to high heaven.

Duncan Ferguson was admired (correctly) in part for his total disregard for the media; If the club, en masse, decided to eschew all media duties, there would be outrage. Instead, they make themselves available, but that's not good enough either.

So what exactly is it you want...??

Another point: When the team is playing well, no fan bleats about how hard their jobs are, or how much they spent, or bitterly obsesses over the player's/ manager's pay packet, so those of you that have need to dispense with the child-like economic envy, and move on.

I hate, absolutely hate the fact that footballers are paid so much money. I find it sickeningly immoral. That is true whether the players from my own team win or lose. OK? Plainly, if Fellaini scores a hat trick then I'm not going to highlight the fact that he's overpaid; when he plays like he did against Wigan then the issue comes to the fore. Again, pretty obvious.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

Lyndon, I think it's down to Ol' Cautious Moyes inability to cope with the idea of his XI as an attacking entity. We were solid and reliable at the back for years until he tried to let the shackles off at the start of this season and appeared to want the team to go a little more gung ho (see all those games where we were creating 20+ chances, Swansea away, etc.).

I think this saw a shift in confidence in Moyes and he seemed to let the team attack with a little more abandon. It maybe came from the way the team ended last season, Jelavic seemingly guaranteed to put away a high percentage of chances created, Baines and Pienaar on fire, this term the promise Mirallas offered as a permanent solution to the void on the right which was only ever filled over the past three or four years during Donovan's brief stints.

Alas, the gamble hasn't paid off. Jelavic has stunk the place out all season and, just as his arrival gave the team a massive boost and the goals were flying in, now that threat has died out in such Torres-like fashion it seems to have had the inverse effect on the side. They were playing so well in the first month or two of the season but chance after chance went begging and eventually the fluidity began to ebb away and opposition managers figured out that if they sent out a team to get stuck in and grab a goal then they had a fighting chance against us. A draw at least is there for the taking against us.

That infamous Moyes team spirit/work ethic (copyright: the football media) has fallen apart as their collective confidence has visibly crumbled. We look like we'll concede at any set piece. Howard's limitations (which we have all known about since his earliest days at Goodison) have become even more pronounced and whichever combination of centre halves have struggled, with Jags' knack for the last gasp challenge saving us on more than several occasions.

We all know Moyes is not fan of a Plan B, hence where we are now. A mess.

I'm completely with you when it comes to generic interviews, but my dissapointment over bad performances is never exacerbated by thoughts of their bank balance; I think that's an unnecessary cop-out.

The latter has certainly happened at times but we've given up so many goals from set-pieces and in the very late stages of matches where we're typically sitting on a lead that there is something else going on there. A lack of concentration? Lack of organisation? Lack of discipline? Poor or different coaching?

I think we are too reliant on fellaini clearing set pieces (if he falls a sleep we concede), and our attacking full backs are either out of position or are not closing the ball quick enough (context of playing more open). In modern football you need decent headers of the ball and our 2 or 3 (jags, Distin and felli) aren't enough.

You're right, what I mean is that (I think) the overall concentration or focus of the team has become confused as Moyes has pretty much proved the extent of his limitations this season. He can be relied upon to build a solid, unspectacular team, he simply isn't capable of expanding upon that solid platform and I think his attempt to do so this season has fallen flat, leaving the team somewhat rudderless, trying to break out of that regimented mould but incapable of doing so and thus ending up a bit all over the shop. Hence chaos at set pieces, or whenever teams really come at us (see Wigan!). We don't even appear to employ any recognisable system of marking any more.

The off field stuff with the board and so on is something I for one can't begin to comment on. It's obviously a fairly desperate situation at our club, but maybe there really hasn't been interest from any credible potential bidder. No point speculating until something actually happens on that score and even when it does one day, it'll be a case of hoping we don't get a Venky or some such. For all people might talk about protesting, not renewing season tickets, etc., there's not much we can do about it by chatting on the internet. It's a pretty depressing situation really, so much football talk these days seems to focus on the suits in the board room... YAWN.