Kenwright holds talks with Martinez

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Chairman met Wigan boss in London today
Bill Kenwright met with Roberto Martinez today to discuss the possibility of the Wigan Athletic manager succeeding David Moyes at Everton.

Though Kenwright insisted he had no favourites among the candidates in his shortlist, the Spaniard is believed to be a very strong option after he announced his desire to leave the DW Stadium this week.

Martinez led the Latics to FA Cup glory this past season with a 1-0 triumph over Manchester City at Wembley Stadium but he was unable to prevent them from succumbing to relegation to the Championship.

Though is the odds-on favourite for the Goodison post, Martinez is also reportedly wanted by Malaga.

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Anthony Jaras
1 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:12:52
I am very much looking forward to the announcement of Martinez and also his back room staff.

With cash available as well as a high calibre of players, we can flourish with his preferred attacking style.

Chris Regan
3 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:10:21
No too enthralled to be honest. Think those plumbers and sparks should unite and get Kenwright out. Why did he have to have a pop at them eh! Why? What have they done? This story is just boring me now, Kenwright is flouncing around pretending he is working when all he wants to do is give Roberto the job. Christ no wonder he did'nt spend much time in front of the camera. He couldn't act his way onto Hollyoaks.
Jon Ferguson
4 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:16:48
I think Martinez's style with our defenders could work.
Mike Hughes
5 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:19:35
Chris #617 - no anti-BK bias in your post at all (!!!)
Having a pop at plumbers and sparks! Really?
Perhaps Hiroshima, Guantanemo Bay and AIDS were BK's fault as well, hey?
FFS.
Barry Rathbone
6 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:15:26
Can't wait for Bobby, been promoting him for over 18 months.

Extraordinary record at Wigan after walking in to instruction to sell his best and reduce the wages by over 20% - can you imagine any manager keeping Wigan up for so long?

Playing football along the way developing youth players and winning the FA cup after blowing us and City out the water en route is remarkable.

This on top of the Swansea revolution which has ultimately brought them Premiership status and the League cup.

If he comes here to bastardise Churchill: " the everton world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands".

Andrew Ellams
7 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:28:19
Mike, I think Chris is referring to Kenwright's interview earlier where he suggested without much subtlety that we were all non football people so know fuck all about it. He just used plumbers and sparks as his representive of the common man.

Twat!

Mike Hughes
8 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:34:08
Andrew, I'm neither pro or anti BK but genuinely didn't interpret his comments in that way.
Thought he came across well.
I guess we hear / see what we want to.
Richard Reeves
9 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:16:49
I'm another who hopes he'll bring Mcmanaman back to the club if he becomes manager.I will also be hoping with his attacking style he'll get the best out of Barkley that's if we can hold onto him but seeing the way Martinez likes his teams to play I think Barkley would have a better future in a Martinez team than Fellaini and I'm sure at least one big money sale will happen and if it was going to be one of them I'd rather It be Fellaini.
After watching Coleman for Ireland tonight on the telly I started thinking about how good our left back and right back position is,I actually think It's the best in the Prem but then I had the strange thought of whether these two as good as they are are even in Martinez's plans.I'm not that clued up about Wigans defence but doesn't he preffer three central defenders?
Matt Garen
10 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:20:53
If Poyet, Mackay, Neville, or Stubbs were appointed the negatives would be that they have no premier league experience and would be a risk. Likewise, Solskjaer again would be a risk. We can't afford Laudrup, and Lennon would be a disaster. Pereira would be interesting but for several years now its all you read from this site about how attacking football is what we need and that the man in charge needs to win something. Is the obvious candidate therefore not Martinez?

Surely with the solid defence already in place, the style of football would suit Baines, Coleman, Barkley, Pienaar and hopefully restore Jelavics confidence. Also bringing Mcmanaman and McCarthy would compliment that.

I for one hope its Martinez.

Robbie Goodwin
11 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:41:53
I will not be happy if we get him... I would be very wary of the type of players he'll bring in.
Kevin McCartney
12 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:45:58
Any reason why no one is considering Gianfranco Zola as a possibility ?
Dave Ashley
13 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:42:16
Mike, definitely got the impression that BK was implying that the 'average' Evertonian knew nothing about our club's best interest. Perhaps that is why we are discerning enough to not support any other team. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum, Mr Kenwright?
Paul Clews
14 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:43:43
Hey, we might live in a democracy but we don't get a vote on who the next manager is. I am getting bored of the ongoing saga also but fuck me guys, we whinge about everything so let's give it a rest as this is as boring as waiting for the new boss to be appointed.

Just remember, we all put money in the bank just like buying a season ticket, it would only be us fucking blues who would want an opinion on how the fucking bank is to be run.

Stop fucking moaning and man up for fuck sake.

And yeah, the badge is fucking shite also!!

Max Retallack
15 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:43:18
Hope Martinez, gets the job. Surely his expertise at bringing bargain players in from home and abroad will be a great asset for Everton, considering the financial constraints. His teams tend to play the Everton way. Also he's a young manager with a wealth of experience. Just needs to make his teams meaner at the back.
Gary Carter
16 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:51:14
What bargain players has Martinez brought to the premiership, what youth players did he bring through the ranks at Wigan ?!?!?

I'll tell you what he did do though, he got Wigan relegated !! Surely a team trying to break into the top four should be appointing a winner not a loser !! Sad times for our club but even sadder ones ahead I feel !

Clive Lewis
17 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:51:53
Kenwrights List. Hollywood blockbuster awaits! I wonder whom might be on that List as well as Martinez and Internals.

Paul Dark
18 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:51:19
We can do so much better than Martinez. I've always loved our club's gentle self-effacement, but at times like these it doesn't help.

He's a media darling and relegation manager who isn't a winner. You have to be quite, quite exceptional to play attractive football and win with limited funds at this level. RM achieved none of these things at Wigan.

He has the self-confidence and self-importance of a very modern man too. We need someone who will bring a philosophy to the club and who will understand the 'Everton DNA' (to borrow BK's apt phrase). RM is not that man.

Move on Mr K.

John Shepherd
19 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:39:34
It's been two weeks... Man Utd didn take that long to appoint Moyes (allegedly); he's clearly been waiting for Martinez so I think BK should stop insulting our intelligence and just say it how it's gonna be.
Paul Dark
20 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:57:28
Anyway, Professor Lord Sir Howard doesn't rate him.

Enough said.

Kevin Tully
21 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:00:18
Wigan got relegated by the small margin of 3 points, or 1 win.

Are we saying if he won 1 more game this season - or crucially Sunderland would have lost 1 more game, that he would have been considered a good choice by more fans on here?

Or are they saying he's just no good, even if Wigan would have won the Cup & survived the drop?

Kevin Day
22 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:59:20
I've said the same on other threads and it seems I'm of the majority in the fact Martinez isn't really inspiring that many people, it's obvious to say its all aimed his defensive qualities, or lack off I should say, Martinez for me is just a refined Ian Holloway, always going down in a blaze of glory, exciting yes, but not for our great club.
Tom Bowers
24 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:01:40
Whilst most Wigan fans would rather have stayed up than win the cup I am sure they all enjoyed their famous victory over rich and famous City.
It may be argued that at least Martinez has won a trophy which Moyes did not in 11 seasons.
Wigan were playing some great soccer this season,particularly late on which makes their relegation all the more strange.
Clive Lewis
25 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:00:57
Plumber and electricians might know more about the game than BK. After all a lot of them have actually played the game. I just hope BK does not get this wrong. We are not flushed with cash at the moment and 2 million is a lot. He really needs to come back down to earth instead of arrogantly flushing our money down the toilet. I am really getting fed up now with this U bend. Please someone switch off the lights and make him see current sense. If Martinez gets the job the defense is likely to blow a fuse then watt!
Patrick Murphy
26 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:03:00
Kevin it's DM's fault we should have gone up to Sunderland and battered them then none of this 'relegation' talk would have surfaces however, he probably wouldn't leave Wigan if hey had achieved survival.
Jamie Sweet
27 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:56:29
Gary Carter #700 "Surely a team trying to break into the top four should be appointing a winner not a loser !!"

See FA Cup winners 2013. He made one of the smallest clubs in the Premier League into a team of winners... you know... a team that actually won something.

A club the size of Wigan will always be relegation candidates no matter who their manager. A team the size of Wigan does not win the FA Cup against a team put together by billionaires unless they are led by someone who has the ability to be a winner.

Although some would let you believe otherwise, Pereira actually lost a lot of games of football (and was therefore a "loser" in your terms) before he was put in charge of a club with the same kind of easy ride in their domestic competition as Celtic and Rangers enjoy(ed) in Scotland.

Give Martinez a chance, I think he would be a great appointment.

Ian Bennett
28 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:11:33
The top 4 were not interested in him for them, I struggle to see why we are.
Andy Meighan
29 Posted 29/05/2013 at 22:55:42
Can people stop suggesting that we're going to hire a manager who's "been there done that" i.e. the Mourhinos of this world. It's not feasible. Forget the past. We're Everton, not United, City ( I know), Chelsea etc, but Everton. A club who's been badly run for a decade or more and who haven't got the proverbial pot.

A club who never signed a player on a full fee for 4 consecutive transfer windows. Get over ourselves boys and girls, Martinez Pereira or possibly Lennon or Mackay are the only names we could attract. Shocking I know. But reality. And believe me I was around when we could attract big names.
Tony J Williams
30 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:28:33
Hope he does well if appointed, I just don't see it. Keeping Wigan up for three seasons wasn't something to be proud of, relegation certainly isn't either. Fantastic cup win but it's worrisome about his lack of wins and, let's be frank, fucking disgraceful goal difference.

Seems a lot of posters on here already getting some excuses in already....my how times have changed

Neil Corkill
31 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:18:25
I for one would be pleased if Martinez is appointed especially if he arrives with a couple of their decent players. Would have him any day over an internal appointment or god forbid Redknapp, O'Neill or Hughes.

Can't afford Laudrup and we would only be a stepping stone for him and I can't understand this obsession with Pereira who has managed Porto for 2 years in a 3 team league. Not everyone who manages Porto will turn into a Mourinho. Need to remember some of the disasters Spurs had with managers untried in the prem Santini, Ramos.
Jamie Sweet
32 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:26:50
Ian, the top 4 have the resources and Champions League status to cherry pick from the top ten managers in the world. We do not have that luxury.

There are not many better REALISTIC options in my opinion... and there is certainly a big list of worse and far more uninspiring options when you look it.

John Brennan
33 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:26:56
Ian. we cant afford not to be interested.
Im afraid I just don't know, one way or the other.
I simply cant say, one way or the other, which way this is going to go, but it looks like Martinez.
Barry Rathbone has made an excellent case for Martinez, and I was present when we got hammered 3 0 in the cup game.
I have to accept, that we are not a top 5 team, and I am looking for us to finish perhaps no lower than tenth next season. Does anyone really think we will finish higher than 5th or 6th?
Im happy to give him a go, and lets see what happens??
Paul Dark
34 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:38:02
He might take us down - that's the nub of it.

Might is not enough, sorry.

Kevin Tully
35 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:38:01
Jamie, realistic is the word posters need to use when naming candidates.

No-one's first choice would be a relegated manager, but how the fuck they can name Weir, Stubbs or Neville before this guy frankly amazes me.

Pereira, maybe, but the Porto fans aren't even keen to keep him.

Any other REALISTIC options don't inspire me at all. Look at the bookies list, no stand out candidates I'm afraid guys.

Mike Green
36 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:32:26
Something's still niggling me about today and I cant put my finger on it.

BK and Martinez had what I think was supposed to be a pretty private meeting today, Martinez seems to be trying his best not to be seen whereas BK looks like he's doing the complete opposite. It's like today was a smokescreen.

I will bet BK gets his best bib and tucker on if / when he meets Pereira. My gut reaction looking at the photos is that BK didn't look like a man who was going out of his way to impress RM today, and if not, why not? Maybe he's just got out of bed the wrong side, just looks a bit odd to me.

Clive Lewis
37 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:47:42
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-everton-manager-roberto-martinezs-1920183

It looks like he might be the one.

Mike Green
38 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:45:51
Jamie and Kevin - I shouldn't need to say this but Im afraid you're spot on. Or has Mourinho been spotted walking up the County Road this afternoon......?
Mike Green
39 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:53:34
This is doing my head in. I'm off to bed, roll on another 24 hours of pointless speculation. Goodnight.
Kevin Byrne
40 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:51:37
Any chance Martinez could bring McCarthy in his suitcase with him?

This young lad is potentially the next Roy Keane.

Gareth Fieldstead
41 Posted 29/05/2013 at 23:59:45
I agree Kevin (729) there is no outstanding candidate but then with the exception of harvey in 87 and Kendall in 90 (and we all know how they worked out) I don't think in all my time as an Everton fan have we had the luxury of a manager that we know will be right for our club. I started going in the early 70s and even I remember Moores having difficulty replacing Catterick. Not many were impressed with the appointment of Lee and Kendall mark1 just seemed a lazy choice. My biggest worry is the fact that Martinez team just didnt know how to defend. Its not like he took over a team that had just got promotion and was adapting to the premiership, they had been in the top flight for four years, yet season after season his sides shipped goals for fun. If he was to take over I would hope the likes of Weir or Stubbs is his number two.
My choice is Di Matteo but he doesnt appear to be a 'potential' choice, which considering he is one of a few managers to have won the CL with an English side and he has experience working within a small budget amazes me.
Paulo Hogerio
42 Posted 30/05/2013 at 00:37:53
BIELSA !!!!!!!! No contact from Bilbao because he is coming here. Kendall and Kenwright at the game on Sunday. The last game at the old stadium San Mames and the Los Leones have still yet to contact him. I told you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . Kenwright says he's has interviewed other out of contract managers so why not Bielsa. Listen people may doubt me. But we all no what we want a winner not a relegated manager like Martinez think about our team here this could all go do wrong. So lets start backing and raising the profile of Marcelo Bielsa.
Steve Bell
43 Posted 30/05/2013 at 00:46:03
So Paulo Hogerio has re-surfaced.

If (a bloody big if) Bielsa is "coming here" as you state, then why does his profile need raising?

If "he's coming here", why are you questioning he's had an interview by BK?

Please provided proof BK and HK where in Bilbao. Say a photo (don't tell me your brothers, sisters, aunties, uncles, paperboy has it.

Why do you persist in spouting such stupid comments. You are without doubt a very very silly boy. Go and stand in the naughty corner.

Ben Jones
44 Posted 30/05/2013 at 01:14:03
Haha Paulo, you're back!!

Still waiting for the "pictures"

Patrick Murphy
45 Posted 30/05/2013 at 01:18:23
What time is it where you are Paulo? Do you know what a WUM is ?
Colin Glassar
46 Posted 30/05/2013 at 01:38:50
I saw Bielsa shopping on church street this afternoon. He was eating a doughnut and reading the Echo.
Doug Nestor
47 Posted 30/05/2013 at 01:41:20
Wonder why he met him in a hotel lobby?......just to show he has interviewed him? its interesting how he has only mentioned by name Martinez and the internal staff......I can see this ending up with Stubbs, with a soundbite saying " I saw them all you know I did but Alan was the best to take us forward"...........I can just see it happening, Kenwright is loving the attention and is dragging it out for all its worth..
Jamie Sweet
48 Posted 30/05/2013 at 02:01:03
You could be right Doug. And when Bill announces our uninspiring internal appointment, he can point to the ToffeeWeb poll and claim that he listened to the fans and 34% didn't want Martinez.

I would like to see a poll which simply puts Martinez up against an internal appointment (I really believe these are the only two options we are likely to see). Martinez looks a bit more appealing when you stand him next to Stubbsy, perfectly likeable though our Alan is.

Jackie Barry
49 Posted 30/05/2013 at 03:26:15
OK, I actually want the manager sorted quickly, we can all shout Bielsa from the rooftops for what good it will do. If the options we have are either the internal appointment or Martinez, I will choose Martinez everytime.

I was also taking a look at the statistics in total for Moyes and Martinez, it shows that Martinez has a win rate of 37.87% and Moyes has a win rate of 44.02% respectively overall in their careers so far. Martinez had just over a 50% win rate at Swansea with Moyes just a little behind that on 48.29%. I'm not sure what to make of it in all honesty but I will say that you could say that Moyes' was a little luckier in that he moved on to Everton a club that while being skint has far more capability at succeeding than Wigan. If Martinez is given the chance maybe his attacking flair combined with our better defence will reap it's rewards, but in all honesty we will never know until he is given a chance, just like with Bielsa and Pereira. We can rave on about whoever we want, but these people have never managed Everton and they may not be suited to us. Please Bill hurry up!

Paul Andrews
50 Posted 30/05/2013 at 06:39:50
We know he can set a team up tactically to win a game.
You only have to look at the cup game against us,they ripped the back out of us and we were lucky to only concede 3.
So that was one occasion where he tactically outmanoeuvred Moyes.
He repeated the same in the final when he set his team up to deservedly beat a team costing 20 times what his team cost (cue City didn't play).
He will be fine given the better quality players to work with.
I can guarantee Jelavic will score more goals next season than this season.
Paul English
51 Posted 30/05/2013 at 07:27:22
Mark Hughes named as Stoke boss... thank god for that!
Daniel Whyment
52 Posted 30/05/2013 at 07:41:12
People are moaning that we'll go internal because it's cheaper but are using the same argument to put Pereira forward ahead of Martinez.

And to say the club has been run badly for 10 years is a joke. On our budget, it couldn't have been run better. Good youth policy, scouting network and some of the best signings of the decade (Cahill, Gibson, Coleman etc)

I think Martinez would represent our club very well. He's confident but not arrogant, tactically astute, plays attacking football (which Moyes was often bemoaned for not doing) and he's loyal. I can see him and BK having a good relationship.

Peter Bell
54 Posted 30/05/2013 at 08:30:15
There is a part in todays Echo report that say Evertons hierachy were impressed with him during the Wigan cup win at Goodison back in March.
Deja vu all over again, will we ever learn.
Anyone remember how the board made Gordon Lee the manager after Newcastle beat us 5 - 0 and employed Mike Walker based on a 5 - 1 defeat by Norwich.
Paul Foster
55 Posted 30/05/2013 at 08:29:38
James Sweet, it's provably wrong to say a club the size of wigan will always be relegation candidates. Before Martinez they were becoming established as a mid-table club, finishing 10th and 11th under Steve Bruce and Paul Jewell. Under the same conditions Martinez took them backwards and eventually relegated them. In 4 years at the club he didn't bring an ounce of improvement to their league form. Unacceptable.
Paul Dark
56 Posted 30/05/2013 at 08:41:30
801 and 803: good posts and so true.

The triumph of style (form) over substance (content) is depressing.

Let's hope he isn't appointed.

Richard Dodd
57 Posted 30/05/2013 at 09:08:30
Gareth 737: Moores replaced Catterick with `old boy` Bingham not Gordon Lee.He seems to have done an` alright`job although the record book says he took over an ailing side not one pushing for the top.
Richard Dodd
58 Posted 30/05/2013 at 09:16:51
Wiganers saying this morning that yesterday`s very public meeting was entirely for show — the deal was struck weeks ago. Not a view shared by the Formby Village set who seem convinced Stubbs has the job!

I must get the missus to join Howard`s coffee set this am...

Chris Keightley
59 Posted 30/05/2013 at 09:27:36
Paulo shit is back - Hes like the guy at school who constantly bull shitted but you couldn't hate him as he was funny welcome back fella !!
Paulo Hogerio
60 Posted 30/05/2013 at 11:08:04
A pesar de los 600 policías apostados para el operativo de seguridad, el Coloso Marcelo Bielsa se vio colapsado para recibir a los hinchas de Newell´s y Boca en la previa del choque copero por los cuartos de final de la Libertadores. Many Thanks
Andrew Ellams
61 Posted 30/05/2013 at 11:23:21
And Paolo?
Brent Stephens
62 Posted 30/05/2013 at 11:27:11
Donde estan los fotos, Paulo?!
Brent Stephens
63 Posted 30/05/2013 at 11:28:06
Esta lleno de...
Shane Corcoran
64 Posted 30/05/2013 at 11:29:00
Peter Bell, just use Deja Vu. There's no need for "all over again".
Michael Brien
65 Posted 30/05/2013 at 11:18:39
Re Martinez - at most clubs that are struggling against the relegation - the fans turn against the manager. Did that happen at Wigan ? Doesn't that tell you something ? Compare the 2 teams in the Cup Final - Man City cost over £190M to put together - whilst the Wigan team cost about £12.5M.

Dave Whelan likes to give the impression of benevolent Uncle Dave - but consider the reality he has a great personal fortune , but has he made great sacrifices on behalf of Wigan Athletic? I would not think that he has. And if anyone ot ther knows of how he treated Orrell RUFC - well all I will say that the reality is far from the image - I wish anyone well in negotiating with him.

Watching the Cup Final, I was impressed by the Wigan full backs attacking play. I found out that the lad on the lad on the left Espinoza was signed on a free from the US Soccer League whatever it's called. It would be interesting to see what Martinez can do with a better budget - we may not be flush but we can spend more than Wigan. Only time will tell if Martinez - if it is him - will be the correct choice - but let's give the bloke a chance.

Michael Brien
66 Posted 30/05/2013 at 11:32:10
Sorry that should should read "And if anyone out ther eknows of how he treated Orrell RUFC - well all I will say that the reality is far from the image. "I suggest you check out a history of Orrell RUFC and the events of the last 5 years. Not exactly good old Uncle Dave I would suggest.
Sean Picton
67 Posted 30/05/2013 at 11:37:54
Personally, I want Paolo Hogerio as manager. I think transfer windows would be similar to Moyes' windows, but instead of clinging on to the hope that we were gonna sign/not sign Barry Ferguson, Robbie Savage etc AND fail....we would have the highs of hoping Ronaldo and Messi signing....which would ultimately fail....but it would be more interesting!
Daniel A Johnson
68 Posted 30/05/2013 at 12:08:43
Martinez pulled the rabbit out of the hat at Wembley vs Man City... But to do the same for 30+ league games was obviously a bridge too far.

Wigan has the cheapest first 11 in the Premier League and the lowest wage bills. Couple that with a nightmare injury list and they were obviously relegated.

Dave Whelan paid peanuts for his players and he got monkeys. I bet Martinez cant sleep with excitement with the thought of working with, Baines, Jags, Distin, Coleman, Fellaini, Osman, Pienaar, Mirallas, Jelavic etc. It's like trading in your old Escort for a Ferrari.

Brent Stephens
69 Posted 30/05/2013 at 12:39:35
I can just picture it now, Sean. Honest, I've got the pictures.
John Jones
70 Posted 30/05/2013 at 12:45:06
Jackie@755

Martinez win rate if 25% over 4 seasons in the Premeiership that is whatcounts and his teams shipped nearly 300 goals.

Jackie Barry
71 Posted 30/05/2013 at 13:02:20
Yes but John you are failing to take into account what he had to work with, thats what counts too! He is not my first choice but try to look at the whole picture, Wigan are not Everton.
Ryan Sloan
72 Posted 30/05/2013 at 13:24:15
Makes me laugh... I wonder what Mourinho's win percentage would be at Wigan?

These statistics don't mean a thing. Yes, Wigan got relegated, I for one think they stayed up a lot longer than expected... and yes, Jewell and Bruce kept them up... but you could argue the league is stronger now than 8 years ago.

I think he would be a good appointment and he would have my support, as would any Everton manager or player — that's what sets us apart from them clowns across the park.

Ryan Sloan
73 Posted 30/05/2013 at 13:30:31
I actually think he could rejuvenate Jelavic and let him be what he is, a striker. The lad is a natural finisher – you don't lose it overnight. A few goals and a striker will get his confidence back. I think a bit of tweaking to the side and it could be interesting...
Ross Edwards
74 Posted 30/05/2013 at 13:51:47
Look, Paulo's "Kendall and BK were in Bilbao" theory was purely founded on a picture of Howie swigging a bottle of San Miguel. I'm still waiting for these pictures Paulo, senor.
In fact can someone bribe Paulo to kidnap Bielsa and drop him off at Maison du Bill, preferably before the weekend?
Richard Dodd
75 Posted 30/05/2013 at 13:56:20
Wigan may well have knocked us out of the Cup but man for man (excluding Jelavic/Lukaku) we have far better players.Why do people assume they`d all suddenly become crap if Roberto took over?
Kevin Tully
76 Posted 30/05/2013 at 14:10:47
Decent article here - didn't realise Wenger had a team relegated.

http://epltalk.com/2013/05/29/why-roberto-martinez-is-the-right-man-to-build-on-the-Moyes-legacy-at-everton/

David Chait
77 Posted 30/05/2013 at 14:08:07
The executioners bong article as usual was excellent and highlights the issue that no amount of intelligent answers and duty to the cause RM may have gets away from - under him Wigan went backward. Wigan I can imagine really struggle to hold on to players, much more than Everton do, but falling as far as relegation is unforgivable.

Sort of seeing the short list, for me Vitor is the one. It actually might be more an unknown, but comes with much more excitement of pushing on. If he was truly interested.. surely its the right call.

Paulo Hogerio
78 Posted 30/05/2013 at 14:29:44
Est espana Bielsa en et Everton , Kenwright uno London et ouf est duo mames Leones. Read it and weep haha
Sid Logan
79 Posted 30/05/2013 at 14:35:43
I suggest anyone debating Roberto Martinez, whether for or against, should take the time to read the Strengths and Weaknesses article posted on this site. I don’t think any one could fail to be impressed by what he will bring to the job.

I was a Pereira supporter and although I had researched him as best I could, there would always be a degree of uncertainty –as with anyone – but more so with someone who’s done well but apparently in a league which is always a two horse race!

After reading the impressively researched Strengths and Weaknesses article I’m going to switch my support to Martinez.

Some of additional point in his favour 1) he went to Wigan at the worst possible time when not only was there no cash but he had to cut the wage bill by 20%. Dave Whelan provided the previous two managers with far more cash: 2) I am told that if his record with Swansea is taken in to account his overall win ratio is 50%; 3) there can be no better recommendation than that given by Wigan fans who appear love the bones of him and are really sorry to see him go!

The ToffeeWeb poll is presently running more than two to one in his favour. Of those Managers whom we are capable of attracting that level of support may well be as good as it will ever get!

Ross Edwards
80 Posted 30/05/2013 at 14:40:20
Paulo, que? We speak English on ToffeeWeb you know.
Kevin Tully
81 Posted 30/05/2013 at 14:43:01
Stubbs 66/1 on betfair if anyone still thinks he's our next manager.
Mark Pierpoint
82 Posted 30/05/2013 at 14:46:07
Thanks Sid. In my idleness I had not read it before now but like you say a really good article. From the 'research' that I have done the transfer fee on the players seems a little high? Just a point, may be wrong. Also the market value of some mentioned are significantly higher than the source used in the article I would say.
Sid Logan
83 Posted 30/05/2013 at 14:46:29
Surely it must be pretty clear to anyone, following Kenwright's statement of two days ago,to the effect that he and supporters on on the same page in terms of candidates under consideration, that our next manager will NOT be an internal appointment.

Antyone posting to the contrary is simply trying to stir it!

Steve Bell
84 Posted 30/05/2013 at 14:40:10
So Paulo you have resorted to posting in Spanish, to hide behind your already confused mind. If you live in Spain Paulo (and not Canny Farm/stocksbridge "village") where abouts do you live?

If you live in Bilbao (you must 'cos you saw BK and HK there) then my friend why are you not posting in your native Basque language?

Credibility? You have none. Get a life.

Sid Logan
85 Posted 30/05/2013 at 14:51:12
Apologies, second line typo should read 'are on'.
Kevin Tully
86 Posted 30/05/2013 at 14:53:39
I pray you're right Sid. Even Fergie was saying any P.L. manager should have some experience in the lower League's.

Poor fecking leadership, the new man should have been researched & identified months ago. All this showmanship is doing my 'ead in!

Ross Edwards
87 Posted 30/05/2013 at 14:56:24
Paulo, PLEASE SPEAK ENGLISH when on ToffeeWeb, please. Muchas Gracias senor.
Steve Bell
88 Posted 30/05/2013 at 14:51:37
Oh and another thing Paulo. Your Spanish is shit. It does not translate into English.
Ross Edwards
89 Posted 30/05/2013 at 15:03:34
"Kenwright uno London et ouf est duo mames Leones"
Kenwright in London being maimed by Lions? That's what I get from that.
Andrew Ellams
90 Posted 30/05/2013 at 15:07:13
Ross, it's about as odd as the earlier post about Newells and Boca.

It reminds me a bit of the Monthy Python Hungarian phrasebook sketch

Hungarian: I will not buy this record, it is scratched.

Clerk: Sorry?

Hungarian: I will not buy this record, it is scratched.

Clerk: Uh, no, no, no. This is a tobacconist's.

Hungarian: Ah! I will not buy this tobacconist's, it is scratched.

Clerk: No, no, no, no. Tobacco... um... cigarettes (holds up a pack).

Hungarian: Ya! See-gar-ets! Ya! Uh... My hovercraft is full of eels

Ross Edwards
91 Posted 30/05/2013 at 15:17:24
I tried to translate the Newells Boca post, he said that the Marcelo Bielsa Stadium collapsed despite 600 police being there. I'm still none the wiser.
Tony Draper
92 Posted 30/05/2013 at 15:42:56
"Roberto Martinez meets Everton chairman Bill Kenwright"

Game over then

Roberto later stated " I wasn't falling for that bacon in the pocket shite, like Dave did ! And the rohypnol coffee. I'm off. The kenwright guy is seriously fuckin weird !"

Eric Myles
93 Posted 30/05/2013 at 15:48:43
Sid #969, maybe BK is listening to the same supporters that told him the Mickey Mouse Club House badge was a good idea?
Eric Myles
94 Posted 30/05/2013 at 15:52:06
"It's like trading in your old Escort for a Ferrari"

and finding out everyone around you has got a Bugatti Veyron!

Ross Edwards
95 Posted 30/05/2013 at 15:58:13
You've got to remember. They considered the opinion of the fans over the badge didn't they? If Pereira or Bielsa is appointed, they have listened, but if it's Lennon or in house, then it's more lies and propaganda to make Bill look good.

Did you see his amazing acting skills when hailing a taxi while being interviewed by SSN? Pure acting.

Eric Myles
96 Posted 30/05/2013 at 15:58:24
Doug #746, while it's true the old luvvie is loving the attention he's really dragging it out to save a few Quid in salary for the new guy.
Eric Myles
97 Posted 30/05/2013 at 16:05:31
Richard #688, funny how our ex-manager is slagged off by some for leaving after seeing out his contract and (possibly) being interested in taking some of our players, but then it's perfectly OK to encourage another teams' manager to jump ship (albeit a sinking one) and poach his best players.

(not singling you out Richard, just responding to the idea your post brings up.)

Sid Logan
98 Posted 30/05/2013 at 16:53:13
Eric#020, I’m placing a lot of store by the ToffeeWeb poll where 10,922 votes were cast and I know Lyndon was sending the results of the poll to the club.

Whoever else BK is listening I don’t believe he would ignore those kind of numbers.

I think he is only too well aware that there's a lot riding on this appointment for him personally. It’s not as if he needs to cough up big money as has been the case with other projects which have failed to materialise.

All he has to do to come up smelling of roses is pick someone who features strongly on that list which essentially means one of the top three. Laudrup – 22%; Martinez – 16%; and Pereira -13 % and he can’t fail. Where he’s let us down before is where he’s needed to find cash for a project and, as we all know, he hasn’t achieved it.

Slaven Bilic was 4th in the poll with 7% and Bielsa didn’t even feature. He would need very strong reasons to move away from anyone not in the top three. I don’t believe he would be prepared to risk the mass of opprobrium which would come down on his head if he did.

I reckon Laudrup is a non starter purely for the fact that there is not sufficient evidence to guarantee that he would that much (if at all) better than the other two to justify paying Swansea £10M compo. Nor does he appear to want to move or, more importantly, want to move to us.

I’ve done a quick trawl of other fan/football sites who have polled supporters over past few weeks with the following results:

Vitalfootball – 60% No to an internal appointment

NSNO – Pereira 60%; Laudrup 13%; Martinez 12%

There may be others but I didn’t find them and I expect they’d all be relatively similar.

So if you were Kenwright what would you do? Invite months or possibly years of hassle or give the fans what they want, bearing in mind what they want is an eminently sensible wish. I know what I’d do. So put simply my money’s on Pereira or Martinez, with Martinez maybe just nudging it.

Dave Lynch
99 Posted 30/05/2013 at 17:04:49
Just heard on the radio on me way home from work that Rubbertoe will make no decision. Until next week!

If only Bill had a set, he would tell him to either tell me your decision by tomorrow or fuck off somewhere else.

Eric Myles
100 Posted 30/05/2013 at 17:04:32
Sid, sorry to dissapoint yet again but as an example of BK's idea of giving the fans what they want, look no further than Desperation Kirkby.

And all he got a mandate for that as well !!!

Eric Myles
101 Posted 30/05/2013 at 17:09:09
Exactly what I said last week David, although my idea was to tell him to fcuk off to Stoke but he's let that opportunity pass him by with his dithering.
Sid Logan
102 Posted 30/05/2013 at 16:53:13
Eric#020, I’m placing a lot of store by the ToffeeWeb poll where 10,922 votes were cast and I know Lyndon was sending the results of the poll to the club.

Whoever else BK is listening I don’t believe he would ignore those kind of numbers.

I think he is only too well aware that there's a lot riding on this appointment for him personally. It’s not as if he needs to cough up big money as has been the case with other projects which have failed to materialise.

All he has to do to come up smelling of roses is pick someone who features strongly on that list which essentially means one of the top three. Laudrup – 22%; Martinez – 16%; and Pereira -13 % and he can’t fail. Where he’s let us down before is where he’s needed to find cash for a project and, as we all know, he hasn’t achieved it.

Slaven Bilic was 4th in the poll with 7% and Bielsa didn’t even feature. He would need very strong reasons to move away from anyone not in the top three. I don’t believe he would be prepared to risk the mass of opprobrium which would come down on his head if he did.

I reckon Laudrup is a non starter purely for the fact that there is not sufficient evidence to guarantee that he would that much (if at all) better than the other two to justify paying Swansea £10M compo. Nor does he appear to want to move or, more importantly, want to move to us.

I’ve done a quick trawl of other fan/football sites who have polled supporters over past few weeks with the following results:

Vitalfootball – 60% No to an internal appointment

NSNO – Pereira 60%; Laudrup 13%; Martinez 12%

There may be others but I didn’t find them and I expect they’d all be relatively similar.

So if you were Kenwright what would you do? Invite months or possibly years of hassle or give the fans what they want, bearing in mind what they want is an eminently sensible wish. I know what I’d do. So put simply my money’s on Pereira or Martinez, with Martinez maybe just nudging it.

Drew Shortis
103 Posted 30/05/2013 at 16:39:55
Though RM isn't a universally first choice, I think that the number of his supporters and people saying "not first choice but I would prefer him to.../ would back him 100%" outweighs his vehement opposition, certainly on this site.

He will certainly be a lot more popular choice than Hughes is at Stoke already. If he starts off well and keeps a few clean sheets the objections will soon evaporate. I think he has the personality to win round his critics too. I know this is speculative on my part, but I think he can fit in at Everton and get the fans on side more than someone like Lennon or Hughes. All he needs to do to win over his doubters is to be successful.

I'm not sure I'm putting my point across quite right here. I guess I'm trying to say he could be a very popular manager as long as we do well. Under Moyes we did pretty well but there was a growing section of the fan base who could not stand his personality or footballing philosophy. I think that if Martinez managed to do as well as Moyes, but by playing attractive football he would be firm favourite.

This is born out at Wigan. Can you imagine their fans singing "Steve Bruce, we want you to stay" after a relegation, cup or no cup? I genuinely believe most Wigan fans would love him to stay, even if they had lost in the cup (of course I can't prove this). To me that speaks volumes about the man!

Waffle over, phew!

Sid Logan
104 Posted 30/05/2013 at 17:22:48
Drew, I take your points exactly!
Eric Myles
105 Posted 30/05/2013 at 17:27:05
Sid #045 & 055

Sid, sorry to dissapoint yet again but as an example of BK's idea of giving the fans what they want, look no further than Desperation Kirkby.

And all he got a mandate for that as well !!!

Eric Myles
107 Posted 30/05/2013 at 17:30:04
Does anyone remember what "our" thoughts and discussions were about Moyes appointment all those years ago (I hadn't discovered TW then myself).

It would be interesting to compare the current climate (anticipating top 6) to the then climate (expecting bottom 3) and the fears and favourites.

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
108 Posted 30/05/2013 at 17:41:41
Eric, here's one from Colm Kavanagh on the appointment of DM: COLM'S CORNER, #71

I'm sure there's more if you hunt around... but no long comment threads back in the day!

Richard Reeves
109 Posted 30/05/2013 at 16:52:03
Eric (#031), that's a fair enough comment but seeing as managers tend to raid there old club you must have your own preferences as well.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Moyes coming in for our players (all except one) as his job is somewhere else and seeing as he is not employed by the club he has no responsibility to us. What I would have a problem with is if he does sign Barkley.

For quite some time many people (including myself) feel that Barkley should of been given more of a chance in the first team so now that he has had an opportunity and we've seen AGAIN how good he is I would be gutted to see him sold to Moyes after he wrapped him up in cotton wool for so long and then see him fulfill his full potential at Man U.There has been a lot of speculation that Moyes has known for quite some time that he would be replacing Fergie at Old Trafford at some stage and it is well documented that Fergie and the backroom staff over there have rated Barkley very highly and have been keen to sign him( I think even Fergie was quoted as saying he is an unbelievable player).

Although I think Moyes's over cautiousness with him Is more down to Moyes being Moyes, not showing much faith in the youth and plumping for his old favourites I still wouldn't know if part of a long term plan has been to protect him for the next stage in his carreer with Moyes where he can really kick on-on the bigger stage.None of us know what conversations have taken place between Fergie and Moyes over the years but there would allways be that doubt in the back of my mind.
Eugene Ruane
110 Posted 30/05/2013 at 17:49:28
Michael that's a great piece (and Colm a great writer) and certainly sums up how I was feeling at this time about Smith, Moyes, 'The People's club' etc.

It also makes me think that whoever is next in, might want to sit down for a couple of hours before the announcement is made and think of some little sound-bite that will tickle all our tummies (so to speak) for the following decade

Maybe "I've always believed Kopites are gobshites" might be pushing things a bit, although it would have the full backing of everyone.

And if it was said in a strong Portugese accent, we could say "It was just his bad English"

(as we laughed our nuts off and started putting it on t-shirts, flags and on them big banners hanging around the ground).

Steve Bell
111 Posted 30/05/2013 at 17:42:38
If RM is delaying his decision until next week, the question is why?

Doesn't like/fancy the challenge (mmm where have I heard that before), not enough money to spend (unlikely), isn't allowed to bring in his own backroom staff (likely) or is not prepared to carry on the legacy of Moyes which BK wants.

Didn't he go through this rigmarole last year with Villa and the unmentionables

Maybe just maybe he has commitment issues, in which case BK should issue an ultimatum, say answer by Saturday or EFC look somewhere else.

Colin Leary
112 Posted 30/05/2013 at 18:31:21
Why should we pay 2 million to Wigan..we should get a manager from within, invest the 2 million into the surrounding area pubs and cafes and also the food and drink facilities within Goodison..oh I forgot to mention the toilets. Surely that wouldnt cost 2 million!
Colin Leary
113 Posted 30/05/2013 at 18:40:16
Only Everton could consider appointing a manager who has just had his team relegated..bear in mind that Whelan has more money than Kenwright..oh dear.
Tony Marsh
115 Posted 30/05/2013 at 18:48:24
Colin@ 105 the Wigan side that got relegated but managed to beat the richest club in the world in the FA Cup final cost less than Mario Balotelli's Bentley.

Martinez has had to sell all his best players and Whelan closed his wallet years ago. It's some achievement to have kept a tiny club like Wigan in the PL with a net spend of £12m. What do you think Moyes could of done at Wigan under the same constraints?

Do you remember how easily Martinez picked the Everton side apart and destroyed Moyes in the tactics department at Goodison in the FA Cup QF? Anyone who knows football will tell you how clued up RM is as a football coach.

I can't believe you think we are on a par with Wigan. I mean it's hardly a pub side the new guy will inherit is it? It's the same old argument from the Moyes faithful pining for the man who was clueless in all the big games he faced. No way would DM have won the Cup with that Wigan side, no way whatsoever. Bring Marti in and watch us fly.
Eric Myles
116 Posted 30/05/2013 at 18:53:07
Whatever happened to Colm? I do remember him from when I first joined TW.

Seems he got one thing right in his post regarding a top class manager at Everton that still holds today, no way José (Mourihno), but was wrong about Carsley (Lee Carsley, the type of player required to dig you out of trouble?).

But the article is more about the failings of Smith and how relieved to be shot of him than a discussion on what a new manager would / could / should bring to the table.

A progression of the accessibiity and interaction of the Internet world in the last 11 years I guess?

Paul Andrews
117 Posted 30/05/2013 at 19:38:12
Tony Marsh,

Moyes had his kecks took off by Martinez in the cup game,don't forget the clear cut chances Wigan had before they scored.We were lucky to get away with 3.Some on here persist in thinking that game was a one off fluke.

Geoff Freeman
119 Posted 30/05/2013 at 20:24:22
Dave (#051) — When Martinez says he'll make a statement about his future early next week, do we assume that he has been offered the position or that Bill will let him know by then if he is willing to offer him the chance to manage our club? The quicker we get our new manager the better
David Israel
120 Posted 30/05/2013 at 21:07:12
However strongly we may feel entitled to our views, I find it appalling that a chairman of Everton Football Club should say that he's going to to listen to the fans' views when he has to appoint a new manager. Surely that's his job, not ours! We merely express our views. I, for one, would never expect, or hope, or look forward to, or whatever, that the chaiman of my beloved club would do a poll on such a crucial decision. Especially when it is clear that this is all grandstanding on his part.

Come on, Bill, do your job, and let us do our own! Or, to quote the great Leo Amery - himself quoting Oliver Cromwell - "you have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"


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