Kenwright holds talks with Martinez

With cash available as well as a high calibre of players, we can flourish with his preferred attacking style.

Extraordinary record at Wigan after walking in to instruction to sell his best and reduce the wages by over 20% - can you imagine any manager keeping Wigan up for so long?

Playing football along the way developing youth players and winning the FA cup after blowing us and City out the water en route is remarkable.

This on top of the Swansea revolution which has ultimately brought them Premiership status and the League cup.

If he comes here to bastardise Churchill: " the everton world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands".

Twat!

Surely with the solid defence already in place, the style of football would suit Baines, Coleman, Barkley, Pienaar and hopefully restore Jelavics confidence. Also bringing Mcmanaman and McCarthy would compliment that.

I for one hope its Martinez.

Just remember, we all put money in the bank just like buying a season ticket, it would only be us fucking blues who would want an opinion on how the fucking bank is to be run.

Stop fucking moaning and man up for fuck sake.

And yeah, the badge is fucking shite also!!

I'll tell you what he did do though, he got Wigan relegated !! Surely a team trying to break into the top four should be appointing a winner not a loser !! Sad times for our club but even sadder ones ahead I feel !

He's a media darling and relegation manager who isn't a winner. You have to be quite, quite exceptional to play attractive football and win with limited funds at this level. RM achieved none of these things at Wigan.

He has the self-confidence and self-importance of a very modern man too. We need someone who will bring a philosophy to the club and who will understand the 'Everton DNA' (to borrow BK's apt phrase). RM is not that man.

Move on Mr K.

Enough said.

Are we saying if he won 1 more game this season - or crucially Sunderland would have lost 1 more game, that he would have been considered a good choice by more fans on here?

Or are they saying he's just no good, even if Wigan would have won the Cup & survived the drop?

See FA Cup winners 2013. He made one of the smallest clubs in the Premier League into a team of winners... you know... a team that actually won something.

A club the size of Wigan will always be relegation candidates no matter who their manager. A team the size of Wigan does not win the FA Cup against a team put together by billionaires unless they are led by someone who has the ability to be a winner.

Although some would let you believe otherwise, Pereira actually lost a lot of games of football (and was therefore a "loser" in your terms) before he was put in charge of a club with the same kind of easy ride in their domestic competition as Celtic and Rangers enjoy(ed) in Scotland.

Give Martinez a chance, I think he would be a great appointment.

Seems a lot of posters on here already getting some excuses in already....my how times have changed

There are not many better REALISTIC options in my opinion... and there is certainly a big list of worse and far more uninspiring options when you look it.

Might is not enough, sorry.

No-one's first choice would be a relegated manager, but how the fuck they can name Weir, Stubbs or Neville before this guy frankly amazes me.

Pereira, maybe, but the Porto fans aren't even keen to keep him.

Any other REALISTIC options don't inspire me at all. Look at the bookies list, no stand out candidates I'm afraid guys.

BK and Martinez had what I think was supposed to be a pretty private meeting today, Martinez seems to be trying his best not to be seen whereas BK looks like he's doing the complete opposite. It's like today was a smokescreen.

I will bet BK gets his best bib and tucker on if / when he meets Pereira. My gut reaction looking at the photos is that BK didn't look like a man who was going out of his way to impress RM today, and if not, why not? Maybe he's just got out of bed the wrong side, just looks a bit odd to me.

It looks like he might be the one.

This young lad is potentially the next Roy Keane.

If (a bloody big if) Bielsa is "coming here" as you state, then why does his profile need raising?

If "he's coming here", why are you questioning he's had an interview by BK?

Please provided proof BK and HK where in Bilbao. Say a photo (don't tell me your brothers, sisters, aunties, uncles, paperboy has it.

Why do you persist in spouting such stupid comments. You are without doubt a very very silly boy. Go and stand in the naughty corner.

Still waiting for the "pictures"

I would like to see a poll which simply puts Martinez up against an internal appointment (I really believe these are the only two options we are likely to see). Martinez looks a bit more appealing when you stand him next to Stubbsy, perfectly likeable though our Alan is.

I was also taking a look at the statistics in total for Moyes and Martinez, it shows that Martinez has a win rate of 37.87% and Moyes has a win rate of 44.02% respectively overall in their careers so far. Martinez had just over a 50% win rate at Swansea with Moyes just a little behind that on 48.29%. I'm not sure what to make of it in all honesty but I will say that you could say that Moyes' was a little luckier in that he moved on to Everton a club that while being skint has far more capability at succeeding than Wigan. If Martinez is given the chance maybe his attacking flair combined with our better defence will reap it's rewards, but in all honesty we will never know until he is given a chance, just like with Bielsa and Pereira. We can rave on about whoever we want, but these people have never managed Everton and they may not be suited to us. Please Bill hurry up!

And to say the club has been run badly for 10 years is a joke. On our budget, it couldn't have been run better. Good youth policy, scouting network and some of the best signings of the decade (Cahill, Gibson, Coleman etc)

I think Martinez would represent our club very well. He's confident but not arrogant, tactically astute, plays attacking football (which Moyes was often bemoaned for not doing) and he's loyal. I can see him and BK having a good relationship.

The triumph of style (form) over substance (content) is depressing.

Let's hope he isn't appointed.

I must get the missus to join Howard`s coffee set this am...

Dave Whelan likes to give the impression of benevolent Uncle Dave - but consider the reality he has a great personal fortune , but has he made great sacrifices on behalf of Wigan Athletic? I would not think that he has. And if anyone ot ther knows of how he treated Orrell RUFC - well all I will say that the reality is far from the image - I wish anyone well in negotiating with him.

Watching the Cup Final, I was impressed by the Wigan full backs attacking play. I found out that the lad on the lad on the left Espinoza was signed on a free from the US Soccer League whatever it's called. It would be interesting to see what Martinez can do with a better budget - we may not be flush but we can spend more than Wigan. Only time will tell if Martinez - if it is him - will be the correct choice - but let's give the bloke a chance.

Wigan has the cheapest first 11 in the Premier League and the lowest wage bills. Couple that with a nightmare injury list and they were obviously relegated.

Dave Whelan paid peanuts for his players and he got monkeys. I bet Martinez cant sleep with excitement with the thought of working with, Baines, Jags, Distin, Coleman, Fellaini, Osman, Pienaar, Mirallas, Jelavic etc. It's like trading in your old Escort for a Ferrari.

Martinez win rate if 25% over 4 seasons in the Premeiership that is whatcounts and his teams shipped nearly 300 goals.

These statistics don't mean a thing. Yes, Wigan got relegated, I for one think they stayed up a lot longer than expected... and yes, Jewell and Bruce kept them up... but you could argue the league is stronger now than 8 years ago.

I think he would be a good appointment and he would have my support, as would any Everton manager or player — that's what sets us apart from them clowns across the park.

http://epltalk.com/2013/05/29/why-roberto-martinez-is-the-right-man-to-build-on-the-Moyes-legacy-at-everton/

Sort of seeing the short list, for me Vitor is the one. It actually might be more an unknown, but comes with much more excitement of pushing on. If he was truly interested.. surely its the right call.

I was a Pereira supporter and although I had researched him as best I could, there would always be a degree of uncertainty –as with anyone – but more so with someone who’s done well but apparently in a league which is always a two horse race!

After reading the impressively researched Strengths and Weaknesses article I’m going to switch my support to Martinez.

Some of additional point in his favour 1) he went to Wigan at the worst possible time when not only was there no cash but he had to cut the wage bill by 20%. Dave Whelan provided the previous two managers with far more cash: 2) I am told that if his record with Swansea is taken in to account his overall win ratio is 50%; 3) there can be no better recommendation than that given by Wigan fans who appear love the bones of him and are really sorry to see him go!

The ToffeeWeb poll is presently running more than two to one in his favour. Of those Managers whom we are capable of attracting that level of support may well be as good as it will ever get!

Antyone posting to the contrary is simply trying to stir it!

If you live in Bilbao (you must 'cos you saw BK and HK there) then my friend why are you not posting in your native Basque language?

Credibility? You have none. Get a life.

Poor fecking leadership, the new man should have been researched & identified months ago. All this showmanship is doing my 'ead in!

It reminds me a bit of the Monthy Python Hungarian phrasebook sketch

Hungarian: I will not buy this record, it is scratched.

Clerk: Sorry?

Hungarian: I will not buy this record, it is scratched.

Clerk: Uh, no, no, no. This is a tobacconist's.

Hungarian: Ah! I will not buy this tobacconist's, it is scratched.

Clerk: No, no, no, no. Tobacco... um... cigarettes (holds up a pack).

Hungarian: Ya! See-gar-ets! Ya! Uh... My hovercraft is full of eels

Game over then

Roberto later stated " I wasn't falling for that bacon in the pocket shite, like Dave did ! And the rohypnol coffee. I'm off. The kenwright guy is seriously fuckin weird !"

and finding out everyone around you has got a Bugatti Veyron!

Did you see his amazing acting skills when hailing a taxi while being interviewed by SSN? Pure acting.

(not singling you out Richard, just responding to the idea your post brings up.)

Whoever else BK is listening I don’t believe he would ignore those kind of numbers.

I think he is only too well aware that there's a lot riding on this appointment for him personally. It’s not as if he needs to cough up big money as has been the case with other projects which have failed to materialise.

All he has to do to come up smelling of roses is pick someone who features strongly on that list which essentially means one of the top three. Laudrup – 22%; Martinez – 16%; and Pereira -13 % and he can’t fail. Where he’s let us down before is where he’s needed to find cash for a project and, as we all know, he hasn’t achieved it.

Slaven Bilic was 4th in the poll with 7% and Bielsa didn’t even feature. He would need very strong reasons to move away from anyone not in the top three. I don’t believe he would be prepared to risk the mass of opprobrium which would come down on his head if he did.

I reckon Laudrup is a non starter purely for the fact that there is not sufficient evidence to guarantee that he would that much (if at all) better than the other two to justify paying Swansea £10M compo. Nor does he appear to want to move or, more importantly, want to move to us.

I’ve done a quick trawl of other fan/football sites who have polled supporters over past few weeks with the following results:

Vitalfootball – 60% No to an internal appointment

NSNO – Pereira 60%; Laudrup 13%; Martinez 12%

There may be others but I didn’t find them and I expect they’d all be relatively similar.

So if you were Kenwright what would you do? Invite months or possibly years of hassle or give the fans what they want, bearing in mind what they want is an eminently sensible wish. I know what I’d do. So put simply my money’s on Pereira or Martinez, with Martinez maybe just nudging it.

If only Bill had a set, he would tell him to either tell me your decision by tomorrow or fuck off somewhere else.

And all he got a mandate for that as well !!!

Whoever else BK is listening I don’t believe he would ignore those kind of numbers.

I think he is only too well aware that there's a lot riding on this appointment for him personally. It’s not as if he needs to cough up big money as has been the case with other projects which have failed to materialise.

All he has to do to come up smelling of roses is pick someone who features strongly on that list which essentially means one of the top three. Laudrup – 22%; Martinez – 16%; and Pereira -13 % and he can’t fail. Where he’s let us down before is where he’s needed to find cash for a project and, as we all know, he hasn’t achieved it.

Slaven Bilic was 4th in the poll with 7% and Bielsa didn’t even feature. He would need very strong reasons to move away from anyone not in the top three. I don’t believe he would be prepared to risk the mass of opprobrium which would come down on his head if he did.

I reckon Laudrup is a non starter purely for the fact that there is not sufficient evidence to guarantee that he would that much (if at all) better than the other two to justify paying Swansea £10M compo. Nor does he appear to want to move or, more importantly, want to move to us.

I’ve done a quick trawl of other fan/football sites who have polled supporters over past few weeks with the following results:

Vitalfootball – 60% No to an internal appointment

NSNO – Pereira 60%; Laudrup 13%; Martinez 12%

There may be others but I didn’t find them and I expect they’d all be relatively similar.

So if you were Kenwright what would you do? Invite months or possibly years of hassle or give the fans what they want, bearing in mind what they want is an eminently sensible wish. I know what I’d do. So put simply my money’s on Pereira or Martinez, with Martinez maybe just nudging it.

He will certainly be a lot more popular choice than Hughes is at Stoke already. If he starts off well and keeps a few clean sheets the objections will soon evaporate. I think he has the personality to win round his critics too. I know this is speculative on my part, but I think he can fit in at Everton and get the fans on side more than someone like Lennon or Hughes. All he needs to do to win over his doubters is to be successful.

I'm not sure I'm putting my point across quite right here. I guess I'm trying to say he could be a very popular manager as long as we do well. Under Moyes we did pretty well but there was a growing section of the fan base who could not stand his personality or footballing philosophy. I think that if Martinez managed to do as well as Moyes, but by playing attractive football he would be firm favourite.

This is born out at Wigan. Can you imagine their fans singing "Steve Bruce, we want you to stay" after a relegation, cup or no cup? I genuinely believe most Wigan fans would love him to stay, even if they had lost in the cup (of course I can't prove this). To me that speaks volumes about the man!

Waffle over, phew!

Sid, sorry to dissapoint yet again but as an example of BK's idea of giving the fans what they want, look no further than Desperation Kirkby.

And all he got a mandate for that as well !!!

It would be interesting to compare the current climate (anticipating top 6) to the then climate (expecting bottom 3) and the fears and favourites.

I'm sure there's more if you hunt around... but no long comment threads back in the day!

It also makes me think that whoever is next in, might want to sit down for a couple of hours before the announcement is made and think of some little sound-bite that will tickle all our tummies (so to speak) for the following decade

Maybe "I've always believed Kopites are gobshites" might be pushing things a bit, although it would have the full backing of everyone.

And if it was said in a strong Portugese accent, we could say "It was just his bad English"

(as we laughed our nuts off and started putting it on t-shirts, flags and on them big banners hanging around the ground).

Doesn't like/fancy the challenge (mmm where have I heard that before), not enough money to spend (unlikely), isn't allowed to bring in his own backroom staff (likely) or is not prepared to carry on the legacy of Moyes which BK wants.

Didn't he go through this rigmarole last year with Villa and the unmentionables

Maybe just maybe he has commitment issues, in which case BK should issue an ultimatum, say answer by Saturday or EFC look somewhere else.

Seems he got one thing right in his post regarding a top class manager at Everton that still holds today, no way José (Mourihno), but was wrong about Carsley (Lee Carsley, the type of player required to dig you out of trouble?).

But the article is more about the failings of Smith and how relieved to be shot of him than a discussion on what a new manager would / could / should bring to the table.

A progression of the accessibiity and interaction of the Internet world in the last 11 years I guess?

Moyes had his kecks took off by Martinez in the cup game,don't forget the clear cut chances Wigan had before they scored.We were lucky to get away with 3.Some on here persist in thinking that game was a one off fluke.

Come on, Bill, do your job, and let us do our own! Or, to quote the great Leo Amery - himself quoting Oliver Cromwell - "you have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"