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849 Posted 26/04/2013 at 06:35:21
853 Posted 26/04/2013 at 06:43:25
858 Posted 26/04/2013 at 07:30:15
859 Posted 26/04/2013 at 07:37:20
863 Posted 26/04/2013 at 08:16:02
866 Posted 26/04/2013 at 08:35:17
876 Posted 26/04/2013 at 09:40:38
885 Posted 26/04/2013 at 10:44:29
886 Posted 26/04/2013 at 10:49:41
So, this kid is going to be slagged off up hill and down dale in his role as Nevilles replacement?
888 Posted 26/04/2013 at 10:56:12
To be fair to Moyes when he was asked on MOTD, if he had the money to buy one world class player what position would he be looking at? Moyes response wasn't a defender, or defensive midfielder, or utility player he said:
"I think every manager and team dreams of having a world class striker who can score 20+ league goals for you, that's the sort of player who could really make the difference over the course of a season"
(BTW that quote is from the memory bank so it may not be word for word correct. But the sentiment of his comment stands).
So it would seem he knows what we need just as well as the fans, but is he capable of getting that sort of player? I doubt it.
890 Posted 26/04/2013 at 11:06:12
894 Posted 26/04/2013 at 11:19:58
895 Posted 26/04/2013 at 11:27:04
Surely it'd be a waste of money?
897 Posted 26/04/2013 at 11:16:14
Confession; I don't watch football now as much as I used to, EFC or nothing.
So; football watchers, does RvP defend corners ??? ( nothing intrinsically wrong in that, I've seen Charlton and Law on the posts for corners ).
Jelly is good, but not, I may venture, in the RvP class so why have him chasing back and neglecting his core duties aka goal hanging
910 Posted 26/04/2013 at 13:49:53
914 Posted 26/04/2013 at 14:04:07
Jelavic is not playing well because his confidence is low. He missed many chances in the early part of the season that would have put him in double figures and as an egotistical striker he suffered from not being the main man anymore. It's as simple as that. As the team started to lose faith in his ability they found a different way to create and score goals. It's not rocket science.
As for the rest, Yak got a horrible injury. Johnson was overhyped with 11 penalties for Palace in his wonder season and beyond his pace, couldn't hit a barn door consistently so shoving him out wide made sense.
Beattie didn't suit our then style of play, the work hard, defensive 1-0 win team we were then. If we could have the Beattie from back then in the team now, he would be much more prolific. Bent was a stop-gap, simple. His amount of clubs speaks for itself.
Anyone else Moyes ruined?? Do me a favour.
927 Posted 26/04/2013 at 15:18:50
a - 'Johnson was overhyped with 11 penalties for Palace in his wonder season and beyond his pace, couldn't hit a barn door consistently' and,
b - 'Beattie didn't suit our then style of play, the work hard, defensive 1-0 win team we were then'
then why bother signing them in the first place? If memory serves me well, we broke our then transfer record(s) to bring them in....
Whatever the reason maybe, the fact is that in the last 11 years, with the exception of the Yak and Jelly for a few months, we have never had a decent and consistent striker. The top ones cost money but we've had money in the past and there are god knows how many hundreds that have been available on loan or a free over that period as well.
Its a part of the squad that we have really been poor in.
933 Posted 26/04/2013 at 15:46:38
If there is a striker around that is capable of firing a side into the top 4 then there'll be some heavy competition (and therefore fee/wages).
The guys we pick up come unproven. Even at £6-10 million.
Granted we can do better than we currently have but there's every chance the next forward turns to Jelly.
936 Posted 26/04/2013 at 16:09:53
Perhaps this Summer we may get lucky and pick up the next goal machine or we may just get another decent striker who scores a few goals until other managers work out what he does, prep defenders well, the goals dry up a bit and then everyone can claim Moyes ruined him.
938 Posted 26/04/2013 at 16:43:33
940 Posted 26/04/2013 at 16:37:51
945 Posted 26/04/2013 at 16:49:54
950 Posted 26/04/2013 at 16:48:24
The strikers we can afford fall in to the second tier of players and we will be very lucky to get more than 15 goals a season out of any of them. To put this in context, RVP has 23 goals this season. Do any of you, for even one second, think that Beattie or Johnson would outscore RVP with different 'tactics'? Or Drogba, Van Nistelroy, Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Anelka, Henry? All you bollock peddlers should wake up and stop just mindlessly repeating the blah blah blah's of the deranged and clueless.
963 Posted 26/04/2013 at 17:38:33
968 Posted 26/04/2013 at 17:53:18
Dropping deep, running the channels, playing wide are things that strikers do. It's funny how some of you castigate Hibbo for not being any good at attacking and then with no irony criticize DM for not telling Jellavic to stand in the 'D' and wait for a chance.
We have good players playing wide, we also usually play with at least one sitting midfielder. He doesn't run the channels or drop deep anywhere near what some people would have you believe. When we play well he usually gets 3/4 good chances per game. That's enough chances for a top player to be in double figures and pushing the magical 20 plus mark.
Beattie's name is always mentioned with the Moyes spoils strikers mob. I seem to remember him ballooning chance after chance. In his entire career he's had a good 18 months where he regularly scored. He couldn't even score in Scotland!
972 Posted 26/04/2013 at 18:15:27
982 Posted 26/04/2013 at 18:46:08
Strikers all have different styles of play, from the poacher to the battering ram, the successful lone, isolated striker is something the club has very rarely had and what would cost an absolute bomb to buy, Moyes demands utilitarianism from all his players, some strikers just aren't bleeding defenders.
997 Posted 26/04/2013 at 19:45:24
020 Posted 26/04/2013 at 20:40:43
I think it's a product of football on TV where the only time a striker is highlighted is when there is a goal or a chance so then people start to expect the striker to do that and to do it perfectly every time. And get mortally offended when it doesn't happen.
046 Posted 26/04/2013 at 23:44:26
We should go for strikers, WE NEED GOALS! Failing that, a new Tim Cahill type player like Andy King at Leicester City. He loves getting forward from midfield, works hard and has an eye for goal... plus he's got the perfect name... Sigh. Happy days!
050 Posted 27/04/2013 at 00:19:27
746 Posted 29/04/2013 at 17:31:12
You bet I would!
Moyes and the other coaches probably didn't have a lot of time to work with Jelly last season. Jelly came with what he had and set the place on fire probably playing his natural game.
This season it appears as if he's doing more of the hard graft that Moyes wanks off to. Unfortunately if he's grafting hard, running channels and defending every set-piece, then he's not in the danger area where he was so prolific last season....or maybe I missed the goal that Jelly scored last season where he used his pace, power and skill to beat 3 players on a mazy dribble from the half way line. He's a goal-hanger, so let him play where he causes damage.
753 Posted 29/04/2013 at 18:15:17
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