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19-year-old replacement for Pip?

26/04/2013 | Comments (33)
The Sun claims that David Moyes is ready to 'fight' Roberto Mancini for the £10million capture of Leeds ace Sam Byram. The deposed Premier League champions supposedly face 'fierce competition' from Everton chief Moyes, who has, they rather farcically claim, 'identified' the whizkid as a perfect replacement for Phil Neville.

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Phil Sammon
849 Posted 26/04/2013 at 06:35:21
This lad will be a top, top player. Can't see us blowing that on a youngster though - particularly having bought Stones.
Nick Oakley
853 Posted 26/04/2013 at 06:43:25
Ah, so that's why Barkley couldn't get a decent run out with Leeds.
Steve Guy
858 Posted 26/04/2013 at 07:30:15
It'll be knives to a gunfight all over again.....
James Newcombe
859 Posted 26/04/2013 at 07:37:20
We were linked with him in January too, I recall. I think I read somewhere that Stones' future might lie as a Centre Half?
Paul Andrews
863 Posted 26/04/2013 at 08:16:02
£10 million?
Chris James
866 Posted 26/04/2013 at 08:35:17
We. Need. Strikers.
Steve Pugh
876 Posted 26/04/2013 at 09:40:38
I always thought he was a right back. Don't we already have Seamus, Hibbo and Stones to fill that role?
Max Meindl
885 Posted 26/04/2013 at 10:44:29
I reckon they might move Stones to Center Defence. He is really tall.
Ray Roche
886 Posted 26/04/2013 at 10:49:41
" 'identified' the whizkid as a perfect replacement for Phil Neville. "

So, this kid is going to be slagged off up hill and down dale in his role as Nevilles replacement?
Poor fucker.

Steve King
888 Posted 26/04/2013 at 10:56:12
Chris 866

To be fair to Moyes when he was asked on MOTD, if he had the money to buy one world class player what position would he be looking at? Moyes response wasn't a defender, or defensive midfielder, or utility player he said:

"I think every manager and team dreams of having a world class striker who can score 20+ league goals for you, that's the sort of player who could really make the difference over the course of a season"
(BTW that quote is from the memory bank so it may not be word for word correct. But the sentiment of his comment stands).

So it would seem he knows what we need just as well as the fans, but is he capable of getting that sort of player? I doubt it.

Colin Glassar
890 Posted 26/04/2013 at 11:06:12
Steve, Moyes has ruined every striker who has ever played for him.
Ernie Baywood
894 Posted 26/04/2013 at 11:19:58
Of course he has.
Steve King
895 Posted 26/04/2013 at 11:27:04
If he ruins them all whats the point in asking him to sign another one then?
Surely it'd be a waste of money?
Derek Thomas
897 Posted 26/04/2013 at 11:16:14
Colin #890 this may or may not be true, I could go along with it though btw.
Confession; I don't watch football now as much as I used to, EFC or nothing.

So; football watchers, does RvP defend corners ??? ( nothing intrinsically wrong in that, I've seen Charlton and Law on the posts for corners ).

Jelly is good, but not, I may venture, in the RvP class so why have him chasing back and neglecting his core duties aka goal hanging

Ernie Baywood
910 Posted 26/04/2013 at 13:49:53
Just watching Utd v Villa and guess who has just headed one off his own line from a Villa corner. At home and 3-0 up in their title winning game.
Niall Clinton
914 Posted 26/04/2013 at 14:04:07
This line that Moyes "ruins strikers" is absolute garbage. Jelavic was the hottest property in the Premier League for the second half of last season and scored at will. Now do people actually think that Moyes, who himself had been crying out for a goalscorer, would ask Jelavic to do anything different to what he had done last season to this? We were winning games at the back end of last season, not conceding many, so this notion that he would have asked Jelavic to play deeper/wider/work harder is just stupid.

Jelavic is not playing well because his confidence is low. He missed many chances in the early part of the season that would have put him in double figures and as an egotistical striker he suffered from not being the main man anymore. It's as simple as that. As the team started to lose faith in his ability they found a different way to create and score goals. It's not rocket science.

As for the rest, Yak got a horrible injury. Johnson was overhyped with 11 penalties for Palace in his wonder season and beyond his pace, couldn't hit a barn door consistently so shoving him out wide made sense.

Beattie didn't suit our then style of play, the work hard, defensive 1-0 win team we were then. If we could have the Beattie from back then in the team now, he would be much more prolific. Bent was a stop-gap, simple. His amount of clubs speaks for itself.

Anyone else Moyes ruined?? Do me a favour.

Denis Richardson
927 Posted 26/04/2013 at 15:18:50
Niall 914 - not meaning to be picky but if;

a - 'Johnson was overhyped with 11 penalties for Palace in his wonder season and beyond his pace, couldn't hit a barn door consistently' and,

b - 'Beattie didn't suit our then style of play, the work hard, defensive 1-0 win team we were then'

then why bother signing them in the first place? If memory serves me well, we broke our then transfer record(s) to bring them in....

Whatever the reason maybe, the fact is that in the last 11 years, with the exception of the Yak and Jelly for a few months, we have never had a decent and consistent striker. The top ones cost money but we've had money in the past and there are god knows how many hundreds that have been available on loan or a free over that period as well.

Its a part of the squad that we have really been poor in.

Ernie Baywood
933 Posted 26/04/2013 at 15:46:38
We have a side that can potentially provide a top striker with the ammo to score 20 goals... but who are these players that can come in and take the chances?

If there is a striker around that is capable of firing a side into the top 4 then there'll be some heavy competition (and therefore fee/wages).

The guys we pick up come unproven. Even at £6-10 million.

Granted we can do better than we currently have but there's every chance the next forward turns to Jelly.

Sam Hoare
936 Posted 26/04/2013 at 16:09:53
Top, top strikers are very rare and often cost in the region of £20+m unless you're lucky enough to get them young and see them develop a la Lewandowski and RVP. Sadly we have not had that luck. Its not that Moyes ruins strikers so much as he has never bought a really good one (apart from maybe Yak who was unlucky with injury).

Perhaps this Summer we may get lucky and pick up the next goal machine or we may just get another decent striker who scores a few goals until other managers work out what he does, prep defenders well, the goals dry up a bit and then everyone can claim Moyes ruined him.

Daniel Lawrence
938 Posted 26/04/2013 at 16:43:33
Ricky Von Wolfswinkel or whatever his name is, could have been a realistic option. Unfortunately he was wanted by one of the teams with real money... Norwich.
Jim Knightley
940 Posted 26/04/2013 at 16:37:51
Rhodes went for around 8million and was unproven in the Championship... Steven Fletcher went for 12million, and he is a 13/14 goal a season player. Of course this are expensive examples (but not Carroll expensive), but nonetheless indicative of the insanity of the transfer market, which we cannot even compete with the likes of Sunderland in...let alone Chelski. I think really we must look abroad, and to mid-level teams in Spain/Italy, or good teams in other divisions. Someone like Kone, or Remy, would be good investments...or players like Aubameyang, Marco Sau, Wilfried Bony or Finnbogason.

Tony J Williams
945 Posted 26/04/2013 at 16:49:54
"then why bother signing them in the first place? If memory serves me well, we broke our then transfer record(s) to bring them in...." - because that is all we could afford and they wanted to come to us....the better, more expensive players didn't.
John Gee
950 Posted 26/04/2013 at 16:48:24
This 'Moyes ruins strikers' is a myth propagated by people who are too lazy to think for themselves. It's BOLLOCKS.

The strikers we can afford fall in to the second tier of players and we will be very lucky to get more than 15 goals a season out of any of them. To put this in context, RVP has 23 goals this season. Do any of you, for even one second, think that Beattie or Johnson would outscore RVP with different 'tactics'? Or Drogba, Van Nistelroy, Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Anelka, Henry? All you bollock peddlers should wake up and stop just mindlessly repeating the blah blah blah's of the deranged and clueless.

Brian Waring
963 Posted 26/04/2013 at 17:38:33
John, maybe Moyes ruins them because he asks them do more than just be a striker? it wasn't long ago he was saying Jelavic needs to work harder and work more on the defensive side of his game. When Jelavic was banging them in he played more down the middle, now he is all over the place, dropping deep, playing too wide. The same with Andy Johnson, had pace to burn, instead of using that pace down the middle, he ended up chasing balls into the corners and running round like a chicken with no head.
John Gee
968 Posted 26/04/2013 at 17:53:18
Brian, You've just taken a dump on your keyboard.

Dropping deep, running the channels, playing wide are things that strikers do. It's funny how some of you castigate Hibbo for not being any good at attacking and then with no irony criticize DM for not telling Jellavic to stand in the 'D' and wait for a chance.

We have good players playing wide, we also usually play with at least one sitting midfielder. He doesn't run the channels or drop deep anywhere near what some people would have you believe. When we play well he usually gets 3/4 good chances per game. That's enough chances for a top player to be in double figures and pushing the magical 20 plus mark.

Beattie's name is always mentioned with the Moyes spoils strikers mob. I seem to remember him ballooning chance after chance. In his entire career he's had a good 18 months where he regularly scored. He couldn't even score in Scotland!

Andy Meighan
972 Posted 26/04/2013 at 18:15:27
Jim (#940) — Moyes should employ you as a scout the way you're throwing names around like confetti.
Gavin Ramejkis
982 Posted 26/04/2013 at 18:46:08
John I've watched plenty of games in the flesh where several of the strikers mentioned have had to come to the halfway line to get the ball, are you serious they should then be genuinely expected to run half the length of the pitch alone and score, or similarly out alone winning the ball near the corner flag and crossing to the Everton lone striker which, fuck me is them - how do they do that exactly??

Strikers all have different styles of play, from the poacher to the battering ram, the successful lone, isolated striker is something the club has very rarely had and what would cost an absolute bomb to buy, Moyes demands utilitarianism from all his players, some strikers just aren't bleeding defenders.

Al Reddish
997 Posted 26/04/2013 at 19:45:24
If he has ruined that many strikers, how come Bent and Johnson got sold for a decent profit?
John Gee
020 Posted 26/04/2013 at 20:40:43
Gavin, I'd hope that a player, no matter what position they play, would get involved in the game. If they could get to the by-line and cross then they should, if they are close enough to tackle a midfielder then they should. A striker is probably going to get the majority of chances but he is also expected to be nodding it on, laying it off, crossing it and slipping it through in the advanced third of the pitch.

I think it's a product of football on TV where the only time a striker is highlighted is when there is a goal or a chance so then people start to expect the striker to do that and to do it perfectly every time. And get mortally offended when it doesn't happen.

Matthew Williams
046 Posted 26/04/2013 at 23:44:26
So we're in for this lad along with Citteh, eh? So he won't be coming here then...

We should go for strikers, WE NEED GOALS! Failing that, a new Tim Cahill type player like Andy King at Leicester City. He loves getting forward from midfield, works hard and has an eye for goal... plus he's got the perfect name... Sigh. Happy days!

Karl Masters
050 Posted 27/04/2013 at 00:19:27
more boollox from the Sun. 'Fight Mancini'....oh hang on....
Wayne Smyth
746 Posted 29/04/2013 at 17:31:12
Niall (914) : "Now do people actually think that Moyes, who himself had been crying out for a goalscorer, would ask Jelavic to do anything different to what he had done last season to this"

You bet I would!

Moyes and the other coaches probably didn't have a lot of time to work with Jelly last season. Jelly came with what he had and set the place on fire probably playing his natural game.

This season it appears as if he's doing more of the hard graft that Moyes wanks off to. Unfortunately if he's grafting hard, running channels and defending every set-piece, then he's not in the danger area where he was so prolific last season....or maybe I missed the goal that Jelly scored last season where he used his pace, power and skill to beat 3 players on a mazy dribble from the half way line. He's a goal-hanger, so let him play where he causes damage.

Gavin Ramejkis
753 Posted 29/04/2013 at 18:15:17
John, not sure how old you are and not patronising either. Did you ever see Bob Latchford in the flesh? He was a cracking striker but he didnt cover every inch of the pitch or become a centre half for every defensive set piece and scored 30 goals to win a wad of cash, enjoyed watching him week in week out but he wasn't expected to do a jack of all trades as he was a striker. One for the slightly younger generation, old wing nut Lineker, not exactly the box to box player or defender either and scored a bag load, again because he was a striker and did just that.

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