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Moyes is hot favourite for United job

08/05/2013 | Comments (949)
Rumour Mill Special: David Moyes is the favourite to become the new manager at Manchester United following Sir Alex Ferguson's decision to retire this summer. The Times have gone a step further by reporting that Moyes will be announced as the new United boss tomorrow.

Moyes reportedly heads the list of candidates to succeed Sir Alex Ferguson as manager at favoured Old Trafford after the 71 year-old announced his intention to step down today.

Moyes's Everton contract runs down this summer and there has been feverish speculation this that he could replace Ferguson after 11 years at Goodison Park after a flurry of betting in recent days.

Original Source: The Guardian  Rumour source ranking:
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Fran Mitchell
150 Posted 08/05/2011 at 22:20:01
With the uncertainty surrounding Alex Ferguson's future and that of a certain Mr Moyes, What would happen to Moyes should he be appointed Manchester United manager?

I don't think he'd be picked, but this is not the discussion. How do you think he'd fare?

It is certainly a position that would be daunting, you're never going match Alex Ferguson no matter who you are. But would it be a disaster? Or would he do a good job?

Win the League? Finish 2nd, 4th, 7th? What do you think?

Personally, he'd keep United in the top 3, but Ferguson has an ability to win the League with not the best team in the League. But I don't think he'd get the sack after 6 months, for sure.

Lyndon Lloyd
156 Posted 08/05/2013 at 00:06:36
On the basis of his time at Everton, you'd be hard pressed to see him emulate Ferguson but then managing United would be a completely different kettle of fish and require a completely different approach.

I'm not sure there's any way of knowing until he got into a job like that but it would be interesting to see how he dealt with the bigger talents and bigger egos.

To be honest, I can't see him being appointed straight to the top job at United. As I tweeted earlier, if Moyes wants the Old Trafford gig badly enough, I could see him being pragmatic and patient enough to spend a season or two working under Ferguson.

It would be better than a hiatus from the game and it would make his eventual appointment as SAF's successor a lot more palatable to United fans and shareholders.

Personally, I'm going to watch the furore with amusement but I don't think Moyes will end up at United in any capacity, at least not yet.

Jim Knightley
160 Posted 08/05/2013 at 00:36:33
Personally, as a big Moyes supporter, I think he would do well, and win the trophies he failed to win at Everton. I think he has an excellent transfer record, and will get the best out of most of his players.

However.... There is no way he will emulate Ferguson. With the possible exception of Mourinho, no manager has been able to tactically match Ferguson, or build the consistent winning mentality which his teams have demonstrated. To win the league this season, with a poorly performing Rooney, a lack of central midfield strength, a constantly changing central defence, and without any of their three wingers playing anywhere near potential, is remarkable.

I also think Chelsea will re-emerge as a top title challenging team, and City will strengthen next season, and United, Ferguson or no Ferguson, will find it very tough to win the league next season. I believe Moyes has the capacity to be a top top manager, but not Ferguson quality.

I'm also not sure about the Ferguson rumours...but if he goes this season, I can see Moyes possibility taking over. He may not be proven at the top level, but within a world footballing context (if not an English) such changes are not unfamiliar. Although, the odds on Moyes seem reactionary...I'd put him among the favorites to replace Ferguson, but I'd make Klopp the favourite.

Stephen Graham
165 Posted 08/05/2013 at 01:14:24
Apparently an announcement about Ferguson is going to be made soon: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/07/sir-alex-ferguson-manchester-united

The article also suggests that Moyes's only role at Man Utd might be back room, whatever that means.

Could it be that Moyes has been aware of what will unfold at United, and hence his refusal to sign?

(Just an idea for the panel rather than speculation.)

Tim Jones
170 Posted 08/05/2013 at 03:39:17
If Manchester United pick Mr 40% to replace Mr 65% then more fool them. But hey the Prem needs more competition and having a timid, safety first, all track back, try not to lose, tactically inept Manager at Man U would give other teams a boost.
Moyes wouldn't last 11 weeks at an ambitious club never mind 11 years.
Patrick Murphy
171 Posted 08/05/2013 at 03:44:31
I don't believe that he will get the job either as assistant first or straight away. In fact I would put some real money on Mourinho being named as next Man U manger. City would be a better fit for Moyes as they are still chasing the dream rather than trying to maintain it. Arsenal being a similar club to Everton in type if not in resources would suit him even more.

The one thing that we don not know about David Moyes is whether given a substantial transfer kitty could he spend it wisely and if he did make mistakes in that area would that make him even more cautious and end up missing out on players. At the top end of the league you have to be brave and back your own judgement and you have to act quick, there is no room for dithering and the fans of all those clubs will not be as supportive of him or as forgiving as most Blues have been during his time at Goodison.

Wherever he ends up after Everton assuming that it is a top-end club he will face a different set of challenges than he has been used to at Goodison only time will tell if he proves himself good enough.

Roman Sidey
172 Posted 08/05/2013 at 03:50:54
I think Moyes biggest problem with taking over at a club like United, or even an Arsenal type, is the players he values the most. Tactically, you all know what I think of him, but his love of players like Osman, Hibbert, etc, who are not as gifted as they are committed to the cause, is where he'll cop a lot of stick at a "bigger club".

I've said before that I don't see Moyes leaving Everton, but if he did, I'd put a lazy tenner on him taking Ossie wherever with him.

Steve Carter
178 Posted 08/05/2013 at 04:28:24
Well as I just posted on another article here, a reliable source (cough) says that's what the punters say is gonna happen, Fran: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4918721/Alex-Ferguson-in-quit-frenzy-as-bookies-cut-odds-on-Man-Utd-exit.html
Tony Cheek
179 Posted 08/05/2013 at 05:27:36
Big shoes to fill for Moyes, a bit TOO big if you ask me. One season wiyhout a trophy and its hat and coat time. Moyes always seems to get things wrong when there is a real chance of glory. His time here reads like one of my school reports....." Should have done better".
Wonder if he would take Round and co with him?
Tim Jones
180 Posted 08/05/2013 at 05:35:29
And please God Davey Weir and Naismith too hey Tony.
Alan Clarke
181 Posted 08/05/2013 at 06:13:42
I've had this discussion with Man U fans for years. A lot of them like Moyes because he's a no nonsense, tough talking Jock who they think is in the mould of Fergie. The fact he is Scottish is where the comparison ends.

After 11 years of Moyes, I think we know know him pretty well. I can't see why a few more resources would suddenly shift his whole mentality on the game. He would just be able to afford better players to fulfill the roles in the system he currently employs at Everton.

Moyes would still bring all 11 men back for corners. He would still get his tactics horribly wrong in big games. He would still set his team up not to lose rather than to win. He would still have a small squad because he finds this easier to manage. He would never play on the break. He would still play laboured tippy tappy slow possession football and never counter attack. He would still face the odd humiliating defeat to lower league sides in the cups. I suppose the one thing is, Man U would at least win all their games against Man City.

We have accepted Moyes because of where we were when he took over. Had Moyes succeeded Kendal in the 80s, he wouldn't have lasted a season. The spoilt brats who fill up Old Trafford will not tolerate Moyes' brand of zombie football.

Jeremy Benson
184 Posted 08/05/2013 at 01:11:56
It's an interesting question, and I think only time would tell how he might do.

I would ask though whether he can handle the bigger personalities and troubles that often come with the £20 million+ pricetags. Drenthe and Van Der Meyde are two players that spring to mind – would Ferguson have handled them any better I wonder? Are there more of that kind of player at the very top of european teams?

There's also a lot of winners in the Man Utd team, players who have more trophy experience than Moyes does. How would they react to that? To be honest, if they got near to a final they'd probably win a trophy in his first season anyway – those players are so used to the big matches, they'd continue in their old ways.

So I think short term, man utd would carry on as is for the first couple of seasons – top 3, and cup wins. I'm not sure they would fair better 3 seasons down the line though after a few transfers and improvements from other teams, and as the team became more the new managers – it's just an unknown. But if Moyes does go, I would wish him success.

Paul Andrews
186 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:18:15
IF Ferguson announces his retirement, the timing suggests it will be Jose who takes over.
Martin Graves
187 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:25:17
Am I the only one who thinks if Moyes leaves to become a No 2 elsewhere, its just another massive smack in the balls for Everton Football Club?
Jeremy Benson
188 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:29:25
If this is the case, then I suspect an announcement will be made sooner than Sunday – once rumours start to take control, stock market companies usually have to make a quick announcement to avoid speculation and ensure everyone has the same info at the same time.
Jeremy Benson
189 Posted 07/05/2013 at 23:01:39
And if it did happen — I wonder if Pip would join the coaching staff...?
Gareth Fieldstead
190 Posted 08/05/2013 at 07:27:09
Benitez is suggesting that Mourinho is a cert for a return to Chelsea, so that is him out. I just cannot get my head around why they would want him. I personally believe he is a good manager but limited. Utd need success to survive. With there debt they cannot allow a relative untried manager at the top level to take over there and potentially not succeed. I am not suggesting that a club is guaranteed success if they sign a Gaurdiola, Mourinho or Klopp but at least they have been there and done it. I just think a job that size is too big. If he had won a couple of cups with us then maybe so, you could point to the finances and suggest that is what is preventing him getting the biggest prizes but he hasnt even managed that.
I thought the offer of being Fergusons number two for a couple of seasons would have benefitted Moyes, although I wonder what Phelan would think of that?! Not happening.
Steve Jones
191 Posted 08/05/2013 at 07:26:54
Jeremy #184 some good points and I agree mate, but I don't think Ferguson would ever have to take a gamble on the likes of Drenthe and van der Mayde. Once it was known they were literally car crashes waiting to happen they wouldn't buy them. Unfortunately, even if Moyes knew that, it's the only opportunity Everton have to get players of that quality due to lack of cash. The manager of Man Utd wouldn't have to deal with these type of balloon heads, they wouldn't even Akers a Balotelli type, but we would if cheap enough.
Tony J Williams
194 Posted 08/05/2013 at 07:50:58
The truth is that no-one here has a bobby as to how Moyes would fare as United manager. He will have more money, far better players and a exponentially better bench to choose from. You cut your cloth accordingly and I would fancy my chances of making a game changing substitute with such a good bench and I would also fancy my chances of winning the league too.
Steve Pugh
196 Posted 08/05/2013 at 07:48:50
The big difference between us and utd for a manager is the back up players. At Everton Moyes was very restricted regarding options when players lost form or where injured. At United, if Van Persie loses form you have Rooney. If they both lose form you have Welbeck.

To me a move to utd will show whether the problem here was Moyes or money. Unfortunately, if it turns out to be money, we will have lost Moyes to find out

Brian Foley
198 Posted 08/05/2013 at 08:28:53
Simple let motes go get Benitez in win a trophy (Benitez always does, Chelsea will beat benfica you watch) then watch the rs squirm.
Brian Foley
199 Posted 08/05/2013 at 08:28:53
Simple let Moyes go get Benitez in win a trophy (Benitez always does, Chelsea will beat benfica you watch) then watch the rs squirm.
James Martin
202 Posted 08/05/2013 at 08:34:30
I don't think Moyes would move to United to be a number 2, just can't see him ever doing that after 11 years of being his own boss. Maybe the vacacy will open up and Moyes will get it, who knows? He'd probably still leave all the men back at corners (like Martinez does) because statistically its the best way to defend corners.

I don't think he would play the same way. With all his players fit and in form we saw the attacking football at the beginning of the season. Instead of Jelavic and Fellaini flapping aorund in there though he's have Van Persie slotting in the highgest number of chances created in Europe. What's more its more likely they'd be able to keep up this style of play for longer because of the depth of their squad. When Gibson and Mirallas went off injured that was the end of that in terms of the super free flowing football for a while. Also there's been plenty of times Man U have played just as bad as we have this season but where as we'd get a dour draw they have the quality to get a wonder goal, or the reputation to get a dodgy pen, or De Gea pulls of a save Howard could only dream of. Quality tells and if he has the home record he currently has at Everton then god knows what he'd do at Old Trafford. Anyone seriously fancy our new manager going there and taking the points with Moyes in charge? We'll be sent packing like the majority of teams who come to Goodison are.

Brent Stephens
205 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:00:10
Peter Barry (Tim #170) - why are we not surprised at that post?
Brin Williams
211 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:07:04
Yea? Get Benitez in and make our 'small' club a 'big' club ???

Sounds ........what's the word?

Kevin Tully
212 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:10:50
This rumour now gathering some steam. Could be an announcement today. We know Fergie & Moyes are big pals, so this deal could have been done months ago.

Definitely cannot see Moyes going anywhere as a no.2, that would undermine him from the start - he's a bit old to be an apprentice!

I would be amazed if they went for Moyes to be honest, the most successful club in England hiring a manager without a trophy to his name.

Whoever takes the Man U job has his work cut out, if Mourinho goes back to Chelsea, Arsenal - oh just been confirmed on Sky.......

Kevin Tully
213 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:19:21
That's it - Fergie retires!!!
Brent Stephens
214 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:20:15
He's gone.
Davie Turner
215 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:21:51
Ferguson has retired, we will finally put the Moyes to united chat to bed, after so many years of this it'll be interesting, though there is that Portuguese bloke needing a job
Brent Stephens
216 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:23:53
With MU floating on the stock exchange in NY, will this mean an announcement on his replacement will be made almost immediately?
Kevin Tully
217 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:25:30
Could be Brent, they are valued at £2.3 BILLION dollars, - it won't be left long before they announce his replacement.
Alan Clarke
218 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:20:02
The fact that most of us aren't really that arsed if he goes speaks volumes. If Moyes was our biggest asset, there'd be uproar just like when Rooney left to go there.

We are stifled by our finances so a new manager might not fare better but probably wouldn't fare worse. I'm more excited by the prospect of Moyes turning Man U into a mediocre team that never wins anything. Good luck to him.

Roberto Birquet
221 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:30:25
Oh Fuck!
A lot here look like they may get their wish. Everton, an old and gloroious club, is as the FT noted this week, the second club in England's poorest city. The chances of Everton making top six and vying for CL cfootball witholut Moyes are tiny.

With Moyes, then I still see Felli going, but funds available for a CB, CM, and CF. And all in capable hands. Without Moyes, we're screwed.

Gavin Ramejkis
222 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:35:09
Players and managers and fingers crossed chairmen eventually go and the world keeps turning, melodramatic twaddle of the Chicken Little ilk that its the end of the world and we are all doomed
James Martin
223 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:37:37
Speak for yourself Alan, I know that there is not just me on this site that is concerned that he could leave.
Kevin Hudson
224 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:37:31
Alan,

Surely it speaks volumes that he's widely-touted to replace the best manager in English footballing history?

Patrick Murphy
225 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:37:41
Robert firstly DM hasn't left yet and how does anybody know that if he does it will spell the end of our hopes and dreams.
James Martin
226 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:40:48
If he does go to Man U it will finally make all those 'what big job has he ever been offered?' posts redundant.
Paul Dark
227 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:42:31
Good riddance to bad rubbish!

A horrible, horrible man - whose success has been built on cheating, co-operating officials and a fawning media. His knighthood is one of this country's biggest embarrassments.

History will lie about his contribution.

James Morgan
228 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:17:56
So it's confirmed, SAF is retiring.
Robbie Shields
230 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:40:49
What fantastic news!!!!!! SAF announces his retirement and Moyes is the red hot favorite :)

Hopefully this is all sorted before the weekend and we can go about getting the next man in, someone who loves the beautiful game, is tactically sound, can get a team to play as a team and......... Entertain us!!!!!

Looks like we will soon find out just how good Moyes is with a lot of money and a lot of great players that has been handed to him on a plate, he doesn't need to even build anything, just keep it going. Very interesting times, now, who shall we get in????

Steven Telford
231 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:35:35
If it happens, it will be Moyes or Jose..........
However, if Fergusson takes the director of football roll, and gets hand to pick a successor, I would not be surprised if he went for Moyes. A fellow scot, and the American owners may go for that over a continental prima donna. Hard Call.

Everybody about from a sour minority of EFC supporters seem to rate Moyes very highly. you know the same guys who consider him a failure for not bringing a Champions League title to our financially defunct club. Oh, yes, forgot, money doesn't matter.

I wonder if those guys think there is anything in it that he is so highly rated by everybody else out there? Then again, what would a light weight like alex Ferguson know about rating football manager. Surly not as much as Ross or Barry.

I hope we keep him. He is a fucking top class manager.

Kevin Tully
232 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:48:14
Latest betting ; Mourinho even money : Moyes 6/4
Brent Stephens
233 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:45:51
Paul, I can's stand the man who stands on the touch line and hounds refs etc etc. But have some grace. The man must have some ability, despite all the dosh he's had. Let's not lie about that. What cheating (more than other teams)? And co-operating officials? In England and Europe? You don't win titles like that. I have no time for the man, but in all honesty he ain't been lacking in ability!
James Morgan
234 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:44:43
Roberto,
Without Moyes we are screwed?
Gimme a break.
Chris Ashton
235 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:47:03
I think the post is either Moriniho's or Moyes's, there isn't any other manager out there apart from a random poaching from a european club. The thing I read into this though was Moyes to Man United, Alex Ferguson mentors him and gets him up and running to the way he does things. If and a big IF they are friends, with SAF moving upstairs, he could well tutor his apprentice to maintain his way of doing things and mould Moyes into a new version of himself. That way there would be no dramatic change in style or player, It would maintain the staus quo of a title challenging team and most importantly it would allow Ferguson to hand the reigns over naturally, not by force.

apart from that, the special one moves to OT, Chelsea come in for Moyes? As it is reported, they are running out of managers to approach.

Option 3 is that Moyes stays and we carry on as normal, hopefully with cash to spend. It would be a shame to lose Moyes and not get compensation for him though.

Liam Reilly
236 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:41:44
Isn't it true that Davey and SAL are mates? I wonder if Davey had some inside whispers to hold off on signing that 5 year contract until the end of the season.

Also, SAL is stepping upstairs at Director level and I'm willing to bet it would be difficult for the likes of Mourinho to do that job with his shadow still in play. For a Moyes type however, the opportunity would be too hard to resist.

Richard Dodd
237 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:48:45
My take on this as an unashamed Moyes disciple is that he has served us well and if he is to go to Manchester Utd. He has earned the top job in world football and must go with our thanks for all he has done to establish and then keep Everton near the top of the pile.

We must now hope that Chairman Bill has the wisdom/luck to appoint the right successor.

Andrew Grey
239 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:54:07
The times they are a changing.

Patrick Murphy
240 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:50:41
SAF has many attributes that are unlikeable,but I wish he had come to Goodison instead, as he is a born winner and his record of trophies won is unbelievable , when he joined, MUFC had 2 less titles than Everton and he has managed to win in a quarter of a century more than we have in the whole of our existence. Nobody will surpass his record and United will miss him badly even if the rest of football will be glad to see the back of him.
Ciaran Duff
241 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:55:16
It's official - Manure have confirmed that Fergie is going :-

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1438897/sir-alex-ferguson-retires-man-united-boss?cc=3436

Now lets see who gets the job.

Robbie Shields
242 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:52:02
Stephen #231, some of us Evertonians use our own eyes and judgement, we don't just lap up the crap spouted by media pundits as being gospel, we watch the game and think we have an understanding of it that comes from a lifetime of watching, playing and even coaching.

If Moyes does go, we'll see over the next few years just how good he is and could have been with unimaginable resources at his disposal and a title winning team. TBH, I don't care, I'm more interested with who we get in next and hopefully Evertonians giving him at least a couple of years to see what he can do.

COYB

Tim Jones
243 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:48:35
Steven Telford (#231) — Calm down! Calm down! relax don't get so emotional and over excited, stop making ridiculous assertions like "Everybody apart from a sour minority of EFC supporters seem to rate Moyes very highly."
Paul Dark
244 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:53:04
Brent: I believe his record would have been dramtically different without the cheating and co-operating officials (principally in the UK). In my humble opinion, it's all too easy to say these things even themselves out etc. etc. He has the most terrible record in terms of cheating etc. He even instils his appalling non-values into his players - non-values which are inherently anti-Everton. Neither life nor football is about winning at ALL costs. It is not the basis of civilized society - and he is not, in my view, a civilized man or a good ambassador for the game.

Man Utd have been a cheating, arrogant and ugly club under his stewardship. I believe in grace - but not indiscriminately.

I suspect almost everyone on here will disagree with me, but that's OK.

History will remember this terrible man's achievements falsely.

John Ford
245 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:01:05
The Guardian confirms Fergusons is stepping down:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/08/alex-ferguson-retires-manchester-united

Tim Jones
246 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:00:18
Ooops 'us' should be 'use' but then mine's a typo mistake not a spelling mistake.
Derek Thomas
247 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:47:19
I'll believe it when I see Moyes on the back of the Manchester Evening News with a manc scarf round his neck.
Brian Denton
248 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:01:32
Interesting thoughts, Paul Dark. However, I think the majority of people (in sport, politics and life) now accept the view best expressed by that American saying "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser"......
Robbie Shields
249 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:58:01
Doddy #237, whilst I agree with your thanks for Moyes (Especially the first 5 years), don't you think he has put himself before the good of the club and it's supporters by letting his contract wind down and then jumping? I think this raises a serious question mark regarding his famous integrit and putting Everton first. We get no compensation and now have to find a new manager.
Brin Williams
250 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:00:33
'Oh! and learn some grammar and how to us Spell Checker too.'

FFS!!

Paul Dark
251 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:05:04
Brian - I agree ... but I think they'd be wrong, quite wrong :-)
Terry Rice
252 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:03:54
Don't shoot the messenger, however, there is a guy living on the Wirral, who will be out of a job in the summer, loves the city and most importantly of all has a history of winning leagues, cups and in playing in Europe.
We may have a certain 'view' of this man (ahem), but do we want to progress with a proven winner or welcome Dave Jones, Mark Hughes et al and everything that says about our ambition?
Sam Hoare
253 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:05:08
If Moyes gets the job then all those on here who said he would never manage a top team are going to look very, very silly.
John Gee
254 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:59:36
So Robbie are you prepared to give Phil Neville 'a couple of years to see what he can do'?

It looks a good bet to plump for the special one or Moyes. Carlos Queiroz could also be long shot.

It's absolutely lost on the MOB that Moyes is being spoken of in the same breath as Mouriniho, Hiddink, Klopp et al. It seems that for some, familiarity doesn't just breed contempt it also breeds stupidity.

Steven Telford
255 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:07:08
Robbie #242
And do you know what numbers are robbie,
you know what is a ratio?
Do you know what is inputs relative to outputs?


Phil Bellis
256 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:05:49
Richard,
Do you think the honourable Moyes was "in the know" about this vacancy?
I thought he was stalling to put the heat on Kenwright and his puppet-master
Funny how things have come together, though, isn't it?
Well, all we can do is wait and see what transpires; interesting times ahead
Ben Dyke
257 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:12:19
The fact Ferguson is staying as Director points towards Moyes going there. No way would a more egotistical person like Mourinho accept working with Ferguson in background but for Moyes its perfect succession planning.

Either that or its Ron Atkinson.

Phil Roberts
258 Posted 08/05/2013 at 09:55:28
And poor old Bill - now the problems will really start if David Moyes leaves.
Patrick Murphy
260 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:12:08
FFS once DM goes to United or anywhere else he will just become another chapter in the history of Everton FC, and whilst it may be interesting to see how he gets on, I will still keep my focus on what happens to Everton FC. So many people are more interested in being right that it seems they won't be satisfied until Everton are relegated and DM is holding aloft the CL trophy for another club. The one thing I was hoping would happen if DM does go is that all of the fans attention would be focused upon the club we support and that all this mob / apologist guff would come to an end, however it seems that we will have to endure it for eternity.
Brent Stephens
261 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:15:21
TimPeter #246 "Ooops 'us' should be 'use' but then mine's a typo mistake not a spelling mistake". Ha!
Brent Stephens
262 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:20:12
Paul, I think you're "wrong, quite wrong" - but let's agree to disagree.
Robbie Shields
263 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:16:53
John #254, it's the end of the world I tells ya, haha. Why don't you carry a big billboard around Goodison with 'The end of the world is nigh' on it. Had you heard of Moyes before he even came to Everton? Or are you too young to remember? Embrace change, things can actually get better you know.
John Gee
264 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:21:29
So it looks like DM could get a £20 million striker after all!
Peter Foy
265 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:21:20
Ben Dyke, I think you're spot on there. It's also very suspicious that Rooney has decided he wants to go to Batern.
Peter Foy
267 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:23:15
Bayern.
Robbie Shields
268 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:22:58
Patrick #260, here here, "the King is probably dead, long live the king" (Copyright Blackadder 1)

I really hope we can all get behind the next man and give him time, at least a couple of years.

Shane Corcoran
269 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:23:30
Mourniho will take the job to get a club he can manage on his own and to rub it in Abrahomoich's face. Moyes doesn't have what it takes to manage that club with the attacking football they've been used to.

As an aside, I think this story (Ferguson retiring) deserves it's own slot on TW or is it just negative non-Everton news (i.e. Suarez) that gets the headlines?

Brent Stephens
270 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:23:27
Robbie #263. Yes, we'd heard of Moyes before he came to Goodison (didn't he put up a good show at Goodison in a cup game against us??). But so what?
Chris Regan
271 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:19:56
I thought Jurgen Klopp would be the man for the job. Afterall he is 90 mins away from winning the Champions League. He is frustrated at his club's selling policy and has a pedigree of being a winner.

If he has said 'no' then I would suspect Moyes would be their choice. Still only tme will tell.

It's a shame Gary Speed is no longer with us, I would have loved him to be our next manager, if Moyes goes.

For me Slaven Bilic, Philippe Montanier (Real Sociedad) would be good choices. Not too sure were they are up to though with there contracts. Bilic is probably earning loads at Lokomotiv.

Then Martinez, although I watched them a few times this season and was not impressed. My neighbour has a season ticket (although he is a Koppite) and goes there. HEW says they are ok but no great shakes. He puts Martinez insistence on not adapting the way his team plays down to naivety or arrogance. Said they really get caught out at times.

Kevin Jones
272 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:30:06
First of all I think we should start by congratulating Sir Alex for the magnificent job he's done at Old Trafford. Love him or loathe him we've all got to admit he's probably the best domestic manager of all time. Some of the teams he's produced at OT have been truly outstanding. Yes he's made mistakes, but in the whole he gets it pretty much right.

I've not been David Moyes's biggest fan over the past few seasons, and after last years Anfield Derby I would have sacked him on the spot, if I'd had my way. However if he goes to OT then I think he will do a decent job, his biggest problem will be the amount of time he gets to achieve success. With Jose coming back there will be three genuine contenders for next years title, United, City and Chelski. Moyes will get two years tops to win the title whereas at Everton he can have a job for at least the next five

If Moyes goes who do we get. Right now I would go for in order

Michael Laudrup, Stylish, Great player, teams play good football
Gus Poyet, as above
Malky Mackay, Big fucker takes no shit
Martinez, Good football, however after last night I think his stock dropped about 40%, what a shambles

Alternatives

Bruce, Benitez, O'Neil, Lambert, Stuart McCall.

I think we could attract at least one of these to a our club, we'll just have to wait and see. the next few weeks should be very interesting.


John Gee
273 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:23:41
Robbie, I think you're reading far too much in to my post. I'm 38 and have seen a few managers come and go and Moyes is the best I've seen so far. Kendal mk1 runs a close second but didn't have to contend with the way the game has gone.

Some genius might come in and get us 2 extra places up the league next season (although when we lose a CL place we're fucked anyway), but we have a good manager at the moment and, if does go up the east lancs, then it will be a sad day for the club.

Joseph Foster
274 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:28:33
Utd manager replacement to be announced in the next 48 hrs
Stuart Mitchell
275 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:33:39
Just said on Sky Sports News, Man U will be announcing news on new manager in next 48 hours.
Tommy Coleman
276 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:32:56
Perfect scenario...

Moyes goes to Man Utd and they never win anything again...

Everton get Jose.

Phil Bellis
278 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:37:58
Stuart
Just heard King Kenny got a phone call and has rushed off the golf course
Kev Johnson
279 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:33:28
Well, times they are most definitely a-changing!

Whoever takes over at Man Utd, I think they will struggle to replicate SAF's success. That very long cycle is at an end. I can see them falling out of the top four in the short term as they adjust to the new manager. Chelsea's situation is uncertain and Arsenal haven't won anything for years. Maybe a good time for us to move on up?

Both Moyes and Mourinho desperately want the Old Trafford job, but I've no idea who they'll choose. If it's the former, Phil Neville is a shoe in for Asst Manager.

Agree with Shane @ 269. This needs to be one of the main news items, given the Moyes connection to the vacancy. MK/LL - any chance of making it more visible?

Joseph Foster
281 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:36:53
Breaking news Moyes in pole position as next manager on sky sports now
Paul Dark
282 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:41:28
#273: Kendall second to Moyes? I've heard it all now. Moyes isn't fit to polish Sir Howard's boots!
Peter Laing
284 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:34:58
Either way, the decision by Ferguson to leave the hot-seat at Old Trafford will bring the David Moyes contract conundrum into the spotlight. He is in the running with the bookies and if Jose decides that his destination is Chelsea and not Manchester United then I would expect that Moyes hand will be strengthened. The calling of an EGM by the shareholders is very timely, we are at a major crossroads in the Club's history, either if Moyes decides to go or he signs a contract extension.
Chris Regan
285 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:41:20
Utd to annonce a manager within 48hrs?! We play this weekend, surely if it was Moyes he wouldnt be announcing he had left Everton before we play West Ham, would he?
James Martin
286 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:32:51
Next manager has to have some sort of pedigree. He has to be a name that the RS, Spurs and Arsenal actually might respect god forbid even fear. At the momet Rodgers probably looks up to Moyes a bit and you could see the change in Moyes whenever he played Liverpool if it was Hodgson or Rodgers in charge. He used to cower in front of Benitez and Kenny though because he considered himself to be a lesser manager. Equally Moyes doesn't seem to have a problem with Mancini or AVB.

If we get Martinez in then Rodgers is just going to consider himself top dog in merseyside again and most premier league managers would consider themselves better than him and would have vast experience of beating him. His name does not particularly inspire fear or respect even if he is a good manager.

How good would it be to get one these top European managers who fancied a crack at a good premier league club that other teams were actually jealous of. That our players were absolutely wowed by and no idea what the words 'inferiority complex' and 'Anfield' were doing together in the same sentence. Someone that Rodgers and co. would consider themsleves inferior to and that would cause the media to finally shake off the 'plucky underdogs' tag. Someone who'd finally stick it to the kopites home and away and win the propaganda war afterwards.

Please no old school ex Man U player who's been around the houses of rubbish clubs, please no trendy Rodgers-esque coach with a project who'll bring all his own players, please no dinosaur from Scotland who has managed either the naitonal side or Celtic or Rangers. I think its time for Everton's first foreign boss but I cannot think of a suitable candidate plying his trade in the British divisions at the moment.

Joseph Foster
287 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:45:39
Sources on sky are now saying "Moyes is cut from the same cloth as busby and fergie"
Stuart Mitchell
288 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:46:39
They are not announcing that a new manager is taking over in 48 hours, Just who will take over next season.
Andrew Clare
289 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:39:38
Martin #187,
I agree.Everton FC have been 'run into the ground' over the past 20 years. A great big rusty hulk slowly but surely sinking.
Being optimistic if we get the right manager from europe all can change and we will 'sail' again.
Although I'm not sure that Moyes is going.
Kevin Tully
290 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:42:38
Don't forget guys, they have to take into consideration their share price when appointing a new manager.

That's why I am thinking Mourinho would be the preferred choice.

Barry Rathbone
291 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:31:07
Well done Moyes played a blinder on this one.

Even as he's accelerating out of FF without a backward glance some will still still be saying "reckon he's holding out for more transfer funds".

Absolute joke this season's contract saga, turned some people over good and proper with his lies.

Some banana was trying to tell me off for suggesting he was looking after number one ... none so blind as those who will not see.

Peter Laing
294 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:48:38
Moyes 2/5 with Skybet, Mourinho 100/30, in terms of the betting that has Moyes as the favourite !
Robbie Shields
295 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:46:59
James #286, great post, like your thinking, that's exactly the mentality we need to break the glass ceiling, none of this hitting it, smash the bastard to bits.
Paul Dark
296 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:47:41
Daum or Bilic would be good appointments, in my view. Klinsmann would be great - but he wouldn't come. We could do worse than O'Neill - but I'd rather not have him, if possible. But Mark Hughes, David Jones etc - no thank you! Kenwright must be courageous now, but that isn't his forte ... at all.

Martinez would be a disaster. Like Moyes, he isn't a winner - and unlike Moyes, he isn't a tight manager who can hold a club together. I wish people would stop mentioning/championing him. It might happen!

Kev Johnson
297 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:50:15
I can't find any official confirmation that anything at all with happen in the next 48 hours! Surely it will be after the season has ended?
Peter Laing
298 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:50:30
I would be expecting Jagielka to be following Moyes should he become the next Man Utd manager
Stuart Mitchell
299 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:52:51
Mourinho will go to Chelsea, would put my house on it.
Paul Dark
300 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:53:28
Peter: and Baines, and Felliani :-(
Sam Hoare
301 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:49:32
I think if Man U want instant success then Mourinho is the answer. He will likely win trophies as he always has. However the Mourinho circus is not without drawbacks and tends to burn out as brightly as it begins as is evidenced by the fact that more than half the Real Madrid team are currently not speaking to him.

If Man U wish to not make waves and look to install another long term incumbent then I think they could do alot worse than Moyes.

Phil Bellis
302 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:49:57
Stuart
and if it's tarrrdaarrdarraarrrdaaaaa! Moyes!
what sort of reception would he get on Sunday, d'you think?
Brent Stephens
303 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:52:31
Won't the flotation on NYSE require a quick announcement on the new manager?
Kev Johnson
304 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:55:23
To avoid being managed again by Moyes, Rooney will have to come back to us. Result!
Kevin Tully
305 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:56:16
Barry, if he goes to Man U, that deal will have been thrashed out months ago.
Trevor Thompson
306 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:59:45
If Moyes was to go to Manchester United I reckon Felliani and Baines would go with him. I don't blame them. This club is going nowhere under Kenwrong.
James Stewart
307 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:36:27
Christ I'm glad some of us lot are not picking Moyes's replacement. Some truly horrific suggestions!
Sam Hoare
308 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:59:59
Makes sense if its Moyes to do it in next 48 hours. That way he gets to say goodbye at the final home game vs West Ham.

This all feels like its going to happen. The MOB is going to gets its wish, though if Moyes does go to Man U a fair few of them will have been proved wrong.

Richard Tarleton
309 Posted 08/05/2013 at 10:59:10
United won't touch Moyes with a bargepole. at least not as manager. They expect to win with attacking football, not to be set up with six men across the middle. Nor will Mourinho be their choice, his combative and contoversial style will keep him out. Dortmund's manager's more likely, he has style in spades.
Phil Rodgers
310 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:01:28
Sky are certain its gonna be Moyes. Decision made within 48 hours
Peter Laing
311 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:02:58
Kenwright's get out of jail card has been played one too many times, 24/7 search for investment, constant lies and now the prospect of his right-hand man going..........
Joseph Foster
312 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:05:03
Sky say Bk not answering his phone........probably still in bed
Brent Stephens
313 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:05:18
Richard, if I were you then I'd get laying your money where you think the appointment is going to go. You sound so very certain.
Brent Stephens
314 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:07:36
Phil, decision made a while ago, surely. Announcement in next 48 hours.
Patrick Murphy
315 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:04:47
Of course there is also the possibility that United will appoint from within Ryan Giggs? United want to win the CL more than anything else and that is why I can still see DM being overlooked for this job and signing his shiny new contract in front of an adoring Goodison Park on Sunday.

Barry Rathbone
316 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:08:07
Kevin Tully, exactly right it beggars belief this hasn't been months in the offing the media bandwagon for Moyes to Utd as I'm watching SKY seems unstoppable.

HE'S GONE!!!!

Kevin Tully
317 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:12:04
If the odds go any shorter on Moyes, it's done - he's 1/8 with some firms!!
John Gee
318 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:10:55
Joseph (312), he's probably crying with the duvet pulled up over his head.

I was talking to a Man Utd supporter a few weeks ago and he was saying that SAF was forgetting names during press conferences.

Noises coming from OT suggest that they want the next manager to bring stability and they don't want a 'hired gun'. It's got Moyes' name written all over it so far.

Terry Rice
319 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:15:53
The FSW - you heard it here first
Jim Knightley
320 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:12:53
Awful news for this football club, but personally, I will be glad to see Moyes' achievements validated, but I just wish I had seen him do it with money at Everton.

Now we, in all likelyhood, will get one of the many managers which don't overachieve. I've no idea who...Martinez doesnt understand defensive tactics... Laudrup I like... but we will see.

Paul David
321 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:13:48
I didn't think it would ever happen but it does look like Moyes is going to Utd, after some bookies stopped taking bets even before Ferguson announced his retirement.
Terry Rice
322 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:16:35
To us that is, not MU!!
Joseph Foster
323 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:15:16
You would think if Moyes was going nowhere he could just come out and say so
Tim Jones
324 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:13:42
If it is Moyes to Man U as everyone thinks then it absolutely certain the sneaky Jock bastard will have been playing his Contract games with Everton knowing full well he was on his way. SAF's retirement was not an overnight decision and his successor will have been long in on the decision trust me.
My condolences to the Man U supporters if it is the Dour one a your next manager.
Xavier Spencer
325 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:14:26
Can we appoint Martinez if he's just taken Wigan down? I don't think so. He'd already be on the back foot and if he gets off to a poor start the fans will have a rather large stick to beat him with it. But if you go to Oddschecker and look at the list of other candidates for next manager it is truly uninspiring and quite worrying. Mark Hughes, Big 'Eck! Jesus. Bottoms of barrells and scraping come to mind.
Nick Entwistle
326 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:18:15
Jose all the way.
Dean Barton
327 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:23:27
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/8698684/Sky-sources-Everton-boss-David-Moyes-frontrunner-to-succeed-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-at-Manchester-United
Tony J Williams
328 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:08:28
Just can't see Man U offering the job to him, unless Sir Alex thinks he can make him in a mini me version of himself.
John Gee
329 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:16:52
Laudrup has just signed a contract with Swansea. Martinez has a good track record with transfers but keeps lifting his skirt and shouting 'Yoo-Hoo' at the championship. Benitez... Nooooooo.

when Moyes went to Germany to take in a game was he scouting a replacement?

Richard Dodd
330 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:06:32
Yes,Phil Bellis,I always thought that Davey had` something sorted out` and I`m sure BK knew precisely what that was!
No,I don`t think he has abused his position at Everton.He has fulfilled his contract and has done that very conscientiously as we have had an excellent season.
As I posted,he should leave with our thanks and good wishes!
Tony J Williams
331 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:27:25
I have a feeling Laudrup will end up at Chelsea.
Kevin Tully
332 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:22:29
Feck me, an EGM in the offing and Moyes packing his belongings as we speak ;

"Jenny luv, get me someone on the phone"

"Who Bill"

"I don't know luv, it's all gone tits up this end, where's Greenie's number FFS!"

"Calm down Bill, you'll give yourself a connery!"

"Make sure them Blue Union Fuckers don't get hold of this, tell David to push his car out of Finch Farm.... luv, luv, where are you?" Door slams.

Xavier Spencer
333 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:26:56
It's already been mooted on here today... the best manager available by miles is... Benitez. Your thoughts?
Peter Laing
334 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:26:06
Tony, Moyes and Ferguson go back a long way, Ferguson will still be pulling the strings to some extent as a director, Mourinho in my opinion too volatile for a Club like Man Utd
John Gee
335 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:29:06
Xavier, are you on glue?
Xavier Spencer
336 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:29:05
Personally I would go for Laudrup. But would we get him? He's got a season of European football to look forward to and is already being linked with Chelsea and City jobs.
Shane Corcoran
337 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:29:19
Benitez would make it hard for me to care. "Rafa, Tony Hibbertayers just killed a fan outside the ground."

"Tony Hibbert is one of the best players in the Premier League. One of the best players."

Xavier Spencer
338 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:31:10
Crack actually.
Joseph Foster
339 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:30:33
BK will be looking for a new manager 24/7
Trevor Thompson
340 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:24:13
To be fair, Moyes owes us nothing. A lot (well according to here) would love Moyes to leave sighting, negative defensive football, tactical ineptitude and dithering in the transfer market, as some of his flaws. I've been among them so not making out I'm all innocent. Personally, I'd like to see what he could do at a bigger club and see whether he really doesn't have what it takes when it really matters to win trophies. Good luck to him, like I said before, this club is going nowhere with Kenwrong in charge.
James Martin
341 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:33:45
Solskjaer? Keep the feeder chain going, a decade here and then straight onto the Man U job.
Kevin Day
342 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:14:56
Ferguson would of gone last season had united won the league, my money is on Dortmund's manager.
But, if Moyes dies go, I will give him my thanks and best wishes and say "Gus Poyet" please.
Just my opinion.
Nick Entwistle
343 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:32:33
Benitez to Utd? Or Everton?

No chance. Won the CL with Houllier's team and proceeded to finish outside the top 4 twice with Liverpool which they still suffer the repercussions today. May well do so again with Chelsea.

No one in the top 4 has that record. God bless him.

Shane Corcoran
344 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:36:25
Nick, to be fair he won the CL with probably the worst team ever to do so.
Paul Dark
345 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:31:35
Benitez is not the right man for the job. He's not an 'Everton manager' - and even in the modern-day frenzy of no-belief, no-value management, I wouldn't want him.

Much as I have serious reservations about the Ginger Whinger, I think it's in our best interests, for now, that he stay. I can see him becoming Ferguson's lap-dog (he already is!), but would the plc (or common-sense) element of MU's Board want a man who has NEVER won ANYTHING?

John Gee
346 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:33:08
Xavier, LOL (I hate writing 'LOL')

Benitez was criticised for making obvious substitutions at the RS: FACT.

He slagged us off: FACT.

He is unpopular already with us: FACT.

He's got no class: FACT.


He's a clint: FACT.

There's a typo in there somewhere.

Nick Entwistle
347 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:37:35
Very true. Worst evening ever.

Fortunately the final two seasons later exorcised that ghost.

Sam Hoare
348 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:35:00
If we go foreign then I think Vitor Perreira is an interesting and realistic option.

if we go domestic then Laudrup would be great but possibly a long shot, Lambert would be brave but interesting, Steve Clarke would be a good like-for-like and Martinez would probably be better than the Hughes/Warnock/O'neill also ran list.

Patrick Murphy
350 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:38:33
If Moyes does leave I think he will have had an input into his replacement at Goodsion, didn't the Cardiff City manager visit Finch Farm recently?
Dan McKie
353 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:39:41
We will end up with another up and coming manager. I would personally like to see us go for Poyet from Brighton. He plays attractive football, and has worked on a much smaller budget compared to a lot of other clubs in that division, and he is a name within the game here.

As for Benitez, apart from it the fact it would make many reds contemplate suicide, he is a whopper who I wouldn't see anywhere near here. He is a deluded red, nothing more.

Paul David
354 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:41:15
Patrick

I think you have a point. If Moyes is off to Utd then it would have been sorted out ages a go and I can see BK asking him who would be a good replacement.

Richard Reeves
355 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:28:52
Although Moyes appears to be the favourite with the bookies, I strongly believe it's not going to happen. There is more chance of Moyes signing a new contract as eventually he'll be overlooked by Man Utd. Kenwright will be claiming some kind of victory with his luvie duvie praise of the manager who everyone wanted yet no-one wanted and most of our fan base will be expected and probably will be grateful that he has stayed with us. I hope I am naive ,before anyone suggests it, but that is what I honestly believe will happen.
Nick Entwistle
356 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:45:12
'Sorted' is one thing as you can sort things out with numerous managers. It all comes down to who gets the final phone call. If Moyes had been in talks then Mourinho surely must have also.

Lets not forget the comments made by Jose after the CL tie that knocked Utd out. He was very deferential. Does that mean something? What should I have for lunch?

Jim Knightley
357 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:43:53
There is no way Benitez will take over...no way. He hasnt been good enough recently...the football, if judged to be pragmatic now, would get so much worse...and he is... Benitez.

I just really really hope Bill makes the right decision. Or we are fucked. In all likelyhood, Fellaini will go (at least) and we will get 25mil (ish) to spend (I reckon Bill will give us most/all of it). We really need the right manager to spend it.

Xavier Spencer
358 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:45:32
Martin O'Neil has been backed into second favourite with Stan James to be next Everton manager. Please, God, no. Aghhh...
Peter Laing
360 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:50:23
Hopefully all of this will result in Bobby Elstone concerning himself with something other than tinkering with the accounts concerning other operating costs and the outlay on this year's John Dere's
Andrew Ellams
361 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:49:50
We need Bill to be very strict about getting a clause added about Moyes not coming back for any of our players.

Shit, we're screwed...

Paul David
362 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:56:11
Depends which players Andrew.
John Gee
363 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:56:55
If he goes there he'll need someone he knows and trusts. Baines with Butner coming to us could be on the cards.
Paul David
365 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:00:31
I think it Fellaini would be top of his shopping list rather than Baines.
James Cadwaladr
366 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:00:47
Perhaps this is rather petty but didn't he say he would wait till the end of the season before making a decision as to his future.

As such I would be very disappointed for him to go back on his word before the Chelsea game.

Phil Bellis
367 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:52:47
Disagree Richard
Whilst Moyesey is fully entitled to defer his decision, his pronouncements this season could be taken to be either "sort it and back me, Kenwright" or "cooeee! come and get me"
A good adage is always "if you've got fuck all useful to say...."

It does appear, though I'll reserve judgement `til all the issues are resolved, that he's been wiggling his arse at potential suitors

If Moyes does go, though, the substantial umbrella of protection he's provided for Kenwright all these years will be removed, exposing the tosser to the elements, good style

Paul David
369 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:03:27
James he also said would make a decision in January so he's already gone back on his word.
Brian Denton
370 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:05:02
Since his contract is up, I don't think Bill would be able to enforce any 'terms' eg not coming back for our players. Moyes is a completely free agent. Which is the whole point.
Joseph Foster
371 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:02:43
If he does not wait till the end of the season he will have to resign which may mean some compo coming to us
Brian Denton
372 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:07:10
Joseph, I'm sure there will be a contractual form of words to ensure that he would not officially take up a new post until after the final game of the season. No compo coming our way......
Stuart Mitchell
373 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:09:01
Just put a few quid on Solskjaer as new man u manager. 25/1
Joseph Foster
374 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:08:42
Or he just says he is leaving and sees out the rest (more likely)
Joseph Foster
375 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:10:17
It's a pity he did not sign a contract extension then we could of got something out of it
Phil Bellis
376 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:11:59
Brian Denton
Jesus, our final 2 games being managed by the Man Utd manager - talk about rubbing our noses in it

Can't happen - surely?

Brian Denton
377 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:12:02
Stuart, I hope it wasn't TOO many quid! Typical bookies odds - I remember seeing Ladbrokes offering only something like 1000-1 on the odds of a world war 2 fighter plane being found on the moon. 1000-1 for something that is never going to happen! No wonder bookies are rich......
James Cadwaladr
378 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:12:05
If he goes, and I think its nailed on, what sort of reception do you think he will get. For me he has done a decent job. However, he will be after all, the first manager since Kendall mk1 that has walked out on the club.
Scott Hamilton
379 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:14:16
Well if Moyes is off to United, presumably Fellaini and Baines will go too
Joseph Foster
380 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:14:26
If he goes it will feel like we have been strung along for the last lot of months
Kevin Tully
381 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:03:59
Please God no ; Hughes, Jones, O'Neill, Lennon, Any current coaching staff, Warnock, Mackay, McLeish, Hughton, Allardyce, Lambert, Coyle

Meh, type appointment ; Martinez, Poyet, Coleman, Bilic.

Yes Please : Soskjaer, Blanc, Laudrup, Di Matteo, Pelligrini, Low, Klinsmann, Zola.

Please note, there are other managers available.

Graham Mockford
382 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:16:03
Tim #324

I wouldn't worry to much after all you were pretty sure no big club would come in for Moyes, so it's not going to happen right?

Joseph Foster
383 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:20:38
Solskjaer now 50/1 Moyes 4/9
Joseph Foster
385 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:21:41
I wonder if Moyes will get a statue at OT
Graham Mockford
386 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:20:24
Kevin #381

I see where you're going with that one. You don't like British managers but your very keen on foreign ones.

Joseph Foster
387 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:26:44
Longest comment thread ever on the rumour mill?
Kev Johnson
388 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:27:53
I'll say it again: where is the official confirmation about an announcement within 48 hours?

Oh, and the title of this thread is wrong. It's the Sunday after next, not this Sunday!

Andrew Ellams
390 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:32:27
Kev, it'e because the announcement was initially expected to be made this Sunday when Utd receive the Champioship trophy at home to Swansea
Scott Hamilton
392 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:30:08
I guess just because he's the bookies favourite it doesn't mean Moyes will get the job.

I was just checking on the odds last Summer and he was 4/9 favourite to take over at Spurs. AVB wasn't even being mentioned!

I guess the answer is... who the fuck knows (yet)?!

Joseph Foster
393 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:32:38
To be fair keV it does not state which Sunday just that he will retire on sunday
Kev Johnson
396 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:35:31
But it's been overtaken by events and is now wrong. We need a new thread here!

Joseph, that's a charming idea. It's like saying we will win the Premiership on Saturday. It could mean one Saturday in 2033! Talk about tantalising!

Sorry, it doesn't make any sense to me that the announcement of a new Man Utd manager will happen before the end of the season. No sense at all. It will detract attention from SAF in his final days, plus it will destabilise whatever club the new manager comes from. Although, admittedly, there is the stock exchange issue...

Guy Hastings
397 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:40:36
If Baines, Fellaini, whoever, does go, you can bet we won't get the cash for them that we'd have got had Moyes stayed (assuming he's off).
Joseph Foster
399 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:40:12
The 48hr announcement was on sky claiming it comes from OT
Liam Reilly
400 Posted 08/05/2013 at 11:51:11
Please god not Benitez. I would find it difficult to watch Everton with that tosser in charge and if he came and did well, them lot oer there would throw an admiring glance and he'd be off quicksmart. No thanks.

Frank Rijkaard for me but he'd want some spending funds so that's out then.

Tony McNulty
402 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:40:57
If it happens, then there is our cast iron guarantee that Moyes will win at Old Trafford. We've all wanted it for years ... now it could come to pass.
Dan Brierley
404 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:01:33
How utterly shameless and without an ounce of class some of our fans are. Regardless of whether or not Moyes was your cup of tea in terms of tactics and formation, the man has given his heart and soul to this club for 10+ years. During that entire time, he has had one financial hand tied behind his back in comparison to managers above AND below him. He did not appoint himself, nor write his own contract extensions. Considering where we were when he took over compared to where we are now (moaning about being 6th), there are people with VERY short memories. Show at least a bit of respect if he is about to leave us.

And to think many are asking for Martinez, the guy who bottled it last night and has effectively sent his club DOWN!! Or Pardew, whos club sits 3 points above Wigan. Poyet has won what exactly? I don't see what any of these have done in the league, to suggest they will be able to finish above those clubs above us now.

I think Moyes is suited to United. Ferguson is not renowned for flamboyant, attacking style. His teams are very well organised, and he often prefers hard workers to flair (Wellbeck, Kagawa, Carrick, Cleverley). Moyes definitely fits the profile in terms of integrity also. He is also the only manager behind Ferguson according to his peers (LMA wins). The most concerning thing for me, is how Moyes odds were slashed 2 days BEFORE Fergies announcement today. So somebody somewhere has decided to bet big on this before the announcement was made. The Everton job is more difficult than most, in that not only are you responsible for ensuring the team wins, you are also responsible for making sure the club survives financially by making shrewd buys, effectively having to create your own transfer kitty year on year. I don't see any young up and coming manager wanting to take on that challenge, as failure to at least emulate Moyes would be disastrous for their career. I think we will end up with one of these 'journeymen' type managers like O' Neil, Hughes, Hodgson, Pardew who never get to the top, so have nothing to lose. And this is the main reason I want Moyes to stay!! Because it can be a lot fucking worse....

John Shepherd
405 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:29:12
Where is Everton FC's comment on this: Last night, DM was at old Trafford to be appointed their new manager.

Come on, Bill, you keep saying you love this club. Who is our new manager? Surely you knew this day was coming?!?!

As ever, you leave us to speculate. Is it because you are clueless as to who? Or did you think DM would never leave you in the lurch? Or do simply have no dignity or respect for the supporters of our great club?

If what I have been told is to be correct then this is even by your standards an all new low. The fact that you would let your club be part of a media circus and let our manager leave us all dangling is a disgrace.

Phil Bellis
406 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:44:05
Kev
The official announcement about the offficial confirmation of an announcement in 48 hours is in 12 hours
Jim Potter
407 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:46:10
Well said Dan.

Stay Davie!

Kev Johnson
409 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:46:49
Dan: "I think Moyes is suited to United. Ferguson is not renowned for flamboyant, attacking style". Hmm, that's not true, is it? In fact, it's false. Man Utd are a very attacking team, it's the strongest part of their team.

I had a look at a Man Utd fan site earlier, to see what they were saying. Here's one comment: "His [Moyers'] team's style also presents a problem. Everton play some of the dullest long-ball 4-5-1 football in the Premiership. It works but it ain't pretty to look at, something that isn't acceptable to the vast majority of United fans". http://www.redcafe.net/f6/Moyes-succeed-ferguson-anyone-74640/


It's not acceptable to a fair few Everton fans either!

Kevin Tully
410 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:47:29
Kev #396,

They can't leave it too long, they are listed on the New York Stock Exchange, and the share price could be adversely affected by any uncertainty surrounding the club.

Paul Andrews
411 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:47:53
Dan, in return for "giving his heart and soul to the club" he has had the benifit of a very lucrative contract.So while he did have one hand tied behind his back,the other hand was depositing his £3.5 million salary cheque.

There will be a queue of young upcoming managers who would walk over broken glass to get the Everton job

"Ferguson is not reknowned for a flamboyant attacking style" made me laugh though so thanks for that

Davie Turner
412 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:51:26
If Moyes goes I'd like the club to take a gamble on Solskjaer personally
Brent Stephens
413 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:55:07
Paddypower has Carragher at 300-1 as next Everton manager. I know outsiders occasionally come in but f...ck me.
Nick Entwistle
414 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:55:01
Cheap shot on the salary, Paul.

And what's Solskjaer done that Christian Gross hadn't... its not the club for a novice to join. Needs to be a name.

Right now we're one of seven clubs guaranteed not to be relegated where as I wouldn't bet the house on any one of the bottom 13 staying up. I don't want to be in that mix and the shiny attraction of former big name players isn't the way to go.

Phil Bellis
415 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:54:31
Dan, a fair few of us invest time, money, emotion, heart and soul into Everton

"So somebody somewhere has decided to bet big on this before the announcement was made"

You don't think...? nah...surely not

Kev Johnson
416 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:54:11
Kevin (410) - yeah, I did mention that at the end of my post. But is it the deciding factor in the timing of an announcement? Maybe, I don't know. It doesn't seem right.

The Sky news thing about 48 hours is a rumour. It might not be true.

Dan Brierley
417 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:52:12
Kev, everybody is entitled to their own view. I don't think United are recognised as an attacking team, in the same way that Arsenal are for example. And anybody who thinks that Moyes will need to play the same type of football with the United squad at his disposal, obviously does not recognise what Moyes is about. Moyes is a percentage manager, that gets the best out of what he has available. He will play whatever makes United most effective, in my eyes. No doubt he would be under the wing of Fergie (Director of football) anyway. And when you have Van Persie up front, playing 4-5-1 is slightly different to having Saha, Johnson Yakubu or Beattie upfront.
Paul David
418 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:56:30
Dan

Maybe some people are just showing him the same amount of respect that he showed us at Anfield last year. Utd not playing an attacking style is a classic.

Ross Edwards
421 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:00:58
Well, if I was at Man U, common sense should prevail. Do they want a man who has won over 10 league titles in 4 different countries, 2 CLs and many cups, in Mourinho, or do they want a cautious, bottling, consistent, dour, man who has won absolutely nothing at all, nor won an away game at the Sky 4, Moyes?
I'd pick the former.
Dan Brierley
422 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:01:15
Paul, I wouldnt expect you to understand anyway. The comment was meant for people that are able to look beyond a single game of football that garners only three points. I don't get how people could be so hurt that some reds gave you shit after losing anyway. Fucking man up, Everton Football Club did not end after Anfield last year, or Wigan this year. Life goes on, no wonder people get o miserable when they re-run those low points on a daily basis.
Nick Entwistle
423 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:04:14
What a new and insightful opinion that was... oh no its Ross.
Kev Johnson
425 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:59:10
It certainly is a matter of opinion, Dan, I completely agree with that!

It will be very interesting to see how it all pans out. If DM goes to OT, it will take two or three years before we will know how good a manager he really is when he has money at his disposal. It will also take that amount of time before we can judge a new Everton manager (a) on his own merits and (b) compared to Moyes.

Jon Withey
429 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:08:40
David Gill : "He (the next manager) needs the required football experience in terms of domestic and European requirements".

Well, Moyes doesn't have much in terms of European experience does he ?

Dan Brierley
430 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:06:37
Agreed Kev, ans this is the unknown about Moyes to a degree. Moyes biggest buy was Fellaini, who didn't turn out too badly. Especially considering we had never heard of him!! Big big gamble that took some balls, but ultimately paid off. Now give Moyes an open cheque book, and will he be spoilt for choice? Is his only skill, finding bargains when under significant pressure to do so? Will he get complacent in his own ability and fail? All very interesting questions. But if Moyes goes, I will tilt my hat at him, and that will be it. My main focus will be on his replacement, not what is happening at OT.
Ross Edwards
431 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:09:27
"What a new and insightful opinion that was... oh no its Ross."
Dismissing my comments Nick? Don't worry mate, the feeling is mutual.
Paul David
432 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:09:09
Dan

Have a look back to how people felt after that game and you will see the vast majority of Evertonians don't view that game as 3 points.

Tim Jones
433 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:09:52
Graham Mockford # 382 I was pretty sure no 'big' club would be stupid enough to appoint the Dour Defensive One but it seems Man U might just be that STUPID.
James Martin
434 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:10:55
I know the revisionists have done a good job in trying to etch this out of history but Moyes has led Everton in Europe you know. A few times. Say what you want about how successful you think he was but you can't say Moyes doesn't have any European experience.
Larry Bird
435 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:06:06
There have been days (like AJ's derby) when I thought that David Moyes was close to deity. There were days when I wished that he would go (Stevie GBH's derby) but in 11 years at the helm he has converted a side continually battling relegation into one pushing for Europe every season. For that he should be proud. He is leaving the club in a much better place than he found it and therefore owe's the club nothing.

I personally feel that he will struggle at united for the simple reason that he can't manage a squad and that will be his biggest challenge over there. Only time will tell. I for one wish the man every success if he moves on and thank him for his service to Everton.

Kevin Tully
436 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:10:59
Jon #429 - I still find it a little far fetched that they would appoint someone with no C.L. experience. After all, this is the competition that is the holy grail for these massive clubs.
Scott Hamilton
437 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:08:36
Kev (425) - More likely, if he were to win the Premiership with them next season, or finish in the top 2, and we skirted with relegation (or worse) then I think we'd have an answer straight away, as we would if they dropped out of the top 3 and we maintained our league position.

Not buying yourself some time just in case are you?

Andrew Ellams
438 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:12:33
So Dan the secret is to ignore the bad points and just consider the good and everything is OK. You sound like my Mrs when I point out some of the mysterious items appearing on the credit card bill
Ross Edwards
439 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:14:01
"I know the revisionists have done a good job in trying to etch this out of history but Moyes has led Everton in Europe you know. A few times. Say what you want about how successful you think he was but you can't say Moyes doesn't have any European experience."
Yes, experince of bottling European games, in the EUROPA LEAGUE!
DM in the Champions League, God help him against Barca, can you imagine his safety first,no sub until the 80th min at the Camp Nou?
Mourinho or Klopp will get the job, Moyes won't.
Dan Brierley
440 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:11:53
Paul, what makes you think ToffeeWeb is representative of the majority of Evertonians?

I am sure many people (myself included) were fucking upset after that match. But a single game does not define a career of someone in charge of 500+. As I said, many people (I wont use majority) are able to step back and recognise things on a wider scale, however many people are not.

Davie Turner
443 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:15:38
Sorry Nick, Solskjaer started out learning with Man Utd, went up to Molde and has taken 2 consecutive titles, he is young, always handled himself well and yes it would be a gamble but one that I reckon worth taking. Moyes was a gamble and worked. We can't attract a top name as we don't have the money to back them and I personally don't think there is anyone in the Prem or Championship at the moment that could take us on. Though feel free to through a name or two out yourself.
Kev Johnson
444 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:10:50
Dan - likewise, I won't really care how Moyes does at OT, if he goes. But it's kind of relevant to the ongoing discussions here. Some say DM is doing a great job and is only held back by shortage of money, some (like me) say something different. We'll never know, will we? Not unless BK wins the Lottery in the next 47 hours! And even then...

But if a new manager comes to Goodison and does better than Moyes then some of us will feel vindicated in our criticisms. However, in the last analysis, that doesn't really matter. I think all of us (or do I mean 99.9%?) want what's best for the club, no matter what. It may well be the only area of my life where I am sometimes glad to be wrong! If Naismith scores a hat trick away at Chelsea, my joy will be unconfined, despite it disproving my deeply-held conviction that he is a [insert foul language here].

Andrew Ellams
445 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:19:03
It is now 5 years since Everton qualified for Europe via their league position. Since then 1 appearance by virtue of finishing as runners up to one of the Champions League teams in the FA Cup. Odd CV for the next Man Utd manager but who knows, it's an odd game
Brent Stephens
446 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:17:35
Ross #439 "Mourinho or Klopp will get the job, Moyes won't".

Beats me how anybody can come out and sound so cock sure. Possibly explains how they seem so cock sure about everything else.

Thomas Windsor
447 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:18:48
Should be funny watching Davey try to out think the big guns in Europe. 11 years this arsehole being here and what do we get? Anichebe and Felliani playing up front. He won't last 11 months at Man Utd – you have to win things there.
Andrew Laird
448 Posted 08/05/2013 at 12:51:43
Dan asks "Poyet has won what exactly?" as a player quite a lot, as a manager the League one title
Robbie Muldoon
449 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:20:48
There are two types of people in this world... those who think Manchester UNited want David MOyes as their next manager and those with more than a brain cell.
Dan Brierley
451 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:17:16
Andrew, you don't have to be an extremist and recognise only good, or only bad. You can have a balanced view that takes into account all perspectives, if you have the brainpower to process that amount of data of course. If not, you can focus on one or two matches instead.

The difference with your credit card bill though, is that you are allowed to notice those mysterious items, but the true cost of highlighting those items might be more than the value of the item itself!

Kevin Hudson
452 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:18:12
You heard it here first...the biggest club in the world may be 'that stupid.'

(From the world-renowned, footballing brain of Tim Jones..)

Ross Edwards
453 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:21:44
"His knighthood is one of this country's biggest embarrassments.
History will lie about his contribution."
There is one name I can definitely connect that post to. How's about that then!
Brian Denton
454 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:20:07
Here's an interesting (yawn) stat: since the start of the Football League, if you take out RS and Man U, our beloved club has won one in seven of the titles remaining..............I think Sam Allardyce is the man to match that pedigree.
Paul David
455 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:18:04
Dan

Your right, i've always said that the job Moyes has done is over all very good but there are certain things that some people will find unforgivable regardless of the good work someone has done upto that point. Sacrificing a Derby was what did it for me. It changed my opinion from being bored of Moyes and his tedious brand of football to never wanting him in charge of my football club again.

Brent Stephens
456 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:24:24
Kevin #452 - at least TimPeter gives us a few laughs while we wait for the white smoke.
Dave Lynch
457 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:04:37
My understanding is that they will have to name the manager very swiftly or the share price may plummet on the USA stock market.
Just what was said on the radio, so expect an appoitment in 48 hrs.
Nick Entwistle
458 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:22:24
I don't know Davie, any good name manager looking to manage in the Prem will see where we are, see the wage potential for himself, see the club's history blah blah and think it a good thing... even with the restraints.

If Olle comes aboard we'd be going back among the pack before we go forward. Risky business this appointment lark, fortunately Bill's running the ship... ehem.

Ross Edwards
459 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:24:24
Brent Stephens
Based on managerial achievements, Moyes should not be ANYWHERE NEAR that list. What has he won? The League One Title with Preston. Woopie Doo.
Mourinho and Klopp should be in the frame as they have achieved more domestically and in Europe as well.
That is why Mourinho or Klopp will get it and DM won't. Two of them are successful at home and abroad, DM will never taste any success whatsoever.
I know that IF DM gets the job, Rooney will be escaping out the back door sharpish...
Brian Denton
460 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:27:48
I don't think there is exactly a likelihood of Man U facing a hostile takeover if the Glazers don't wish to sell, so any plummet in their share price would be immaterial and unlikely to last very long anyway.
Graham Mockford
461 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:23:38
Andrew #445

Wrong, we qualified by finishing 5th in the league. If we hadn't we would have qualified by being FA Cup runners up.

Dan Brierley
462 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:23:51
Andrew Laird 448. I also asked, how does that mean he will be able to finish above teams that spend sometimes double what we do? Just because he won things as a player, so he has the 'winning' mentality? So that means Phil Neville will be a good Manager? I look forward to your opinion.
Brent Stephens
463 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:26:29
I think we'll get an announcement today. I would think they've said within 48 hours expecting it to be today but just leaving enough room for the stock market not to get jittery about their shares if the announcement did go beyond today. Markets don't like uncertainty.
James Stewart
464 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:28:19
I think Mackay is pretty nailed on. Such is Moyes's relationship with BK he will no doubt pick his successor.
Ross Edwards
465 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:32:47
You can get all the cash, luck and Howard Webb when you hop it to United. We won't miss you!
Brent Stephens
466 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:30:50
Ross, my point isn't a substantive one about whether DM should get the job but about your crass certainty that he won't. Let's just wait and see. You may be right but you don't / can't know that now.
Brent Stephens
467 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:33:55
I don't think "Mr MacKay, sir" was able to earn much respect in his last but one job. Strange career move into football as well.
Andrew Ellams
469 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:35:00
The problem Man Utd will have with naming a Mourinho or a Klopp is that SAF is moving upstairs so is influence will still be around the club and that may not appeal to them. Maybe they will suffer the Matt Busby effect where his shadow looming over everybody from 'upstairs' made life difficult for everybody who followed for 25 years
John Ford
470 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:23:35
As much as I admire Moyes im surprised he is being touted so heavily. I too would have thought a manager with well established champions league experience and success would be the desired choice?

If he goes, he goes with my thanks and admiration. Hes done well for us at a time when we're so far behind teams (in terms of purchasing power/chances to succeed) who not long ago were our peers.

Jim Knightley
471 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:30:46
Ross...you are criticizing Moyes' defensive tactics and then mentioning Mourinho in the next breath...don't get me wrong, Mourinho is miles away from Moyes, but have you ever watched his teams play?! To see him play for a draw at home to Barca a couple of seasons ago, was one of the most pathetic things I've seen at the top level of football. He, whilst a tactical genius, is without a doubt defensively orientated.

And...Didn't we win at City? a top four side? and Spurs? we can't choose and pick teams for the sake of tactics.

And the top seven table this season, as posted a few days ago on this forum -

Man Utd 12 6 2 4 20
Chelsea 10 5 3 2 18
Man City 12 4 5 3 17
Everton 11 3 6 2 15
Spurs 11 3 2 6 11
Arsenal 12 2 5 5 11
Liverpool 12 1 7 4 9

We will be the fourth best (At least) out of the top seven this season, despite having far cheaper squad, in terms of money spent and wages, and far smaller squads, than those above us. Moyes can beat the top teams... and which manager of an established team has improved a club on so little? Answers on a postcard.

Moyes will win things when he has players use to playing at another level. There is a reason why our current players are playing for us...a few could go higher, but in general they are restricted by either talent, or that extra winning mentality required for the top.

Kevin Tully
472 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:32:53
How about this one. Solskjaer has lost his first 4 games in charge of Molde this season. Really poor start after the league 2 titles on the bounce.

Could it be he had already been given the Man U job, and he has taken his eye off the ball?

Pal of mine ( big gambler) just rang and told me to have a few quid on Giggs, can't see that one happening.

Alex Doyle
473 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:38:13
Have it on reasonable authority that Moyes and Baines are on their way in the next 48 hours. Friend of a friend know's Baines agent and this came to light before Fergie's announcement. So who for Everton, Martinez?
Nick Waters
474 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:43:07
The Times is now reporting that Moyes wil be unveiled as the new Man Utd manager in the next 24 hours
Nick Entwistle
475 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:44:02
How would Baines be on his way in the next 48 hours?
Kev Johnson
476 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:38:16
Scott @ 437 - nah, I'm not playing for time. I don't know what will happen, but I'm just saying it will take two or three seasons for it all to unfold. A new manager will want to change things, bring in new players, enforce his own style/philosophy on the the club and that could cause problems in the short term but work in the longer term. Or the exact opposite could happen, a honeymoon period followed by grim co-existence and then traumatic divorce.

Having said that, it would be funny if Man Utd dropped out of the top four to be replaced by... us! That would be very, very funny indeed.

Nick Entwistle
477 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:45:18
One things for sure, Abramovic will have a decision to make, and put Fergie's retirement in the shade.
James Morgan
478 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:27:47
Interesting caller on talk sport just saying how Moyes has been found wanting when it matters most, and he's been useless with strikers. I think a lot on here would agree with that, particularly the first part.
Jim Knightley
479 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:39:54
In a British footballing context Moyes' appointment would be strange... but in a world context it's not so crazy. There are plenty of unproven managers given top jobs...and Moyes' has shown an ability to improve us on a shoestring, work well in the transfer market, and perform well tactically.
Mat Fearon
481 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:42:43
Ross, you state he should not be anywhere near the list. However, he is. In fact he is right near the top of the list. In the top three at least. Why? Because for those who have a deep understanding of football, he is recognised as a great manager. I think that they will go for him as they want someone to be around for 10 years or so....and Mourino won't be. Moyes fits the Man U mould.
John Daley
482 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:46:40
"I had a look at a Man Utd fan site earlier, to see what they were saying. Here's one comment: "His [Moyers'] team's style also presents a problem. Everton play some of the dullest long-ball 4-5-1 football in the Premiership. It works but it ain't pretty to look at, something that isn't acceptable to the vast majority of United fans". http://www.redcafe.net/f6/Moyes-succeed-ferguson-anyone-74640/"

To be fair, the thread and post you qoute from was from 2005! In that same thread, Martin O'Neill and Carlos Quirez are named as the other top candidates so it's fair to say things have changed quite a bit since then. Everton's style of play for example. Second half of last season, first half of this season, we played some fantastic stuff that was as far removed from 'long ball' as Rolf Harris' fucking 'Jake the Peg (with his extra leg)' is from being a perfectly innocent, non-pervy connotation carrying, cheery, cheeky bearded chappies, children's shitty singalong.

On the other hand, the following comment from the same thread is still as relevant a it ever was: "Let's get Moyes to manage us, he has won nothing, has no Champions League experience, plays one target man upfront, he sounds like the ideal man to replace Fergie."

Brin Williams
483 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:46:40
Laudrup......would suit me fine.
Jim Knightley
484 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:47:26
Absolute Bollocks Alex. When on earth would a deal for Baines have been sorted? in May? whilst United go through one of the biggest managerial transitions in their history...and the Ferguson news only broke last night.

There is a good chance Moyes will go. Klopp is still in the running. Mourinho looks set for Chelski...but there is no way, in a million years, that a clandestine deal has been sorted for Baines with 2 weeks of this league left.

Dan Brierley
486 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:37:51
Kev, 444. Yes, you are right. But unfortunately, if Moyes does well at United people will just give it the old 'See! He is playing attacking football now, I told you he could win if he did that at Everton!'.

The whole football world seems to believe Everton punch above their weight under Moyes, hence the recognition by his peers via the LMA awards. In terms of attacking football I am CERTAIN there are better managers than Moyes, likewise someone else will probably win at the Sky 4. But, our survival (and I will use that word) has not been based solely on what happens on the pitch. Moyes has basically funded his own squad by being a master in transfer market. Poyet has been hailed for bringing in 'big name' signings at Brighton. He has broke the transfer record twice, which has no doubt helped his cause. He won't have that at Everton, thats for sure. So it cannot be said he turned Brighton round by management skill alone, he had the finances to do so. So do we 'gamble' as we did with Moyes and bring in a young up and coming manager? Or go with a stable manager who has seen and done it before? Its really a tough decision.

Andrew Ellams
488 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:50:20
Graham @ 461, apologies you are correct. But you can sort see where I was going with my point?
James Morgan
490 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:47:15
Moyes confirmed!!!
Andrew Grey
491 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:51:22
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/clubs/manchesterunited/article3759033.ece

They seem pretty certain.

Kevin Tully
492 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:50:50
Moyes now shortest ever@ 1/20 - Get me the phone luv!!!!
James Morgan
493 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:52:47
Breaking news on TS
Tony Hanlon
494 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:41:31
And if Man Utd appoint someone else does Moyes then sign a new contract ? Kevin Ratcliffe talking on radio said "Moyes thinks he has become bigger than EFC and the board should never allowed this situation to happen."
Why didn't they make him sign a one year extension in January , so if he does go the club would get some compensation .
Mat Fearon
495 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:42:43
Ross, you state he should not be anywhere near the list. However, he is. In fact he is right near the top of the list. In the top three at least. Why? Because for those who have a deep understanding of football, he is recognised as a great manager. I think that they will go for him as they want someone to be around for 10 years or so....and Mourino won't be. Moyes fits the Man U mould.
Kev Johnson
496 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:48:48
John - you are dead right! My unqualified apologies for providing misleading information/opinion. You see what happened there, though? The "Moyes to succeed Ferguson" thread was dated "today" but the dimwits have arranged it so the oldest comments come first. We'd never do that on TW!

There's probably still a bit of truth in the idea that their fans (in 2013!) think of us as a dull workmanlike side - it's not an uncommon perception, is it? Nevertheless, I retract my original comment, which was incorrect.

Jake Lucas
497 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:50:02
If it indeed will be Moyes that signs for Man U then I assume the announcement will be made this week so he can say his farewell on Sunday? Be sad to see him leave but then we need to move on as a club just as much as he does as a manager, a new manager might help freshen us up a bit. But who? Martinez? Lennon?
Dan Brierley
498 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:56:01
Sky Sports Breaking News: Moyes leaves Everton Training Ground.

Isn't that because training is over?

Andrew Grey
499 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:55:40
Could do with a live forum, things are moving that fast.
James Stewart
502 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:59:33
It will be Moyes. United won't want Jose and the circus he brings. They want someone who will be ok with Ferguson giving advice and tinkering from above. It's tailor made for Moyes.
Dan Brierley
503 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:59:31
what concerns me, is that Moyes has refused to speak to the press, and the club has said nothing. Normally they quash these rumours pretty quickly...
Alex Doyle
504 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:56:50
Jim, don't shoot the messenger. Believe what you like, he may not literally be in a taxi, but I see no reason why discussions couldn't have taken place months ago. That's what agents do.
Dan Brierley
505 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:00:54
James, I agree 100%. Fergie won't want a seasoned manager to come in that might disagree with his views and methods, he wants more of a protege.
Patrick Murphy
506 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:51:42
Dan we may well punch above our weight and David Moyes should be recognised for the good job that he has done, but let's not go overboard eh he is not yet a great manager he might become one somewhere else he might not, but stop treating fellow supporters as idiots or morons when all they are doing is giving their point of view they may be wrong they may be right but it's their view. If David Moyes is more important to people than Everton FC maybe they should buy a Season Ticket to watch him. Talk about the cult of personality syndrome.

Shaun Brennan
507 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:02:48
Cue the story, Kenwright begged Moyes to stay, they both cried. Hugged and parted ways. Kenwright could not stand infront of a massive oppertunity Dharling Davey was being offered.
Garry Corgan
508 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:04:40
Live Forum is at http://www.toffeeWeb.com/comment/live/
James Stewart
509 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:02:25
Confirmed on Sky news. To be announced in next 48 hours.
Kev Johnson
510 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:03:05
Joe Royle as caretaker manager, I say. In fact, if he does OK in the last two games, give him a three year contract. I always liked Big Joe.
Phil Bellis
511 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:06:39
Well in, Kev
Big Joe mentoring Big Dunc?
Will we then be punching "below our weight"?

Still uncomfortable about a Utd manager being in charge of our last two games

Sam Hoare
512 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:08:48
If Moyes goes to Utd then surely Ross Edwards will have to go with him after telling us so many times with such surety that it will never happen....every cloud has a silver lining I suppose.
Gavin Ramejkis
513 Posted 08/05/2013 at 13:59:26
Dan is that Clintons Cards calling on the phone behind you? What melodramatic sloppy claptrap shite, he was paid very handsomely to do a job for over a decade making him a multi millionaire in the process. He didn't rock the boat with Bullshit Billy and his clown board once, not fucking once in 11 years so don't come out with this man of honour bollocks as if he discovered a cure for cancer or solved famine. In 11 years he won fuck all, no other job on the planet would make you a millionaire for no return.
Mike Gaynes
514 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:10:02
Quotes from Schmeichel:

"David Moyes is made from the same cloth as Sir Alex and he's the kind of guy you look at and you think 'stability'."

"What we're looking for isn't someone who can come in for ten months or three years. We're looking for someone who can stay and produce the same kind of stability as Sir Alex Ferguson has done.

"David Moyes has been more than a decade at Everton on limited funds and he's been doing a fantastic job. He's Scottish, he's made from the same cloth as Sir Alex and he's the kind of guy you look at and you think 'stability'. Beyond anything else that's the most important thing for Manchester United.

Mike Green
515 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:11:13
Moyes 1/33 with Bet Victor.....
Tony Hanlon
516 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:09:49
Moyes as always said he would honour his contract. So if he leaves today he had liked to us all.
Nick Entwistle
517 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:13:32
Moyes, the only millionaire in football.
Dan Brierley
518 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:06:15
Patrick, ironically I am also entitled to my own point of view. And I do think it is shameful how Moyes has been treated when he has done so much for our club. This is what provokes my reaction.
Tony Hanlon
519 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:13:30
Lied
Davie Turner
520 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:12:09
Talksport says Moyes may leave immediately while SSN say Everton expect Moyes to be Everton manager next season... It silly season all in one day!
Paul Dark
521 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:08:49
No Royle, please, no. He's a bitter man.

I think Ratters's comment about Moyes is 100% correct.

John Shaw
522 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:07:46
I can't see Ferguson offering any ongoing advice to the incoming Manager as it would completely kill any chance of success for the new guy, especially if the media became aware of it.

I'm personally sad to see Moyes go as I would have liked to see what he could have done had the financial straight jacket been removed for just a couple of years, but Hey Ho.

It will be interesting to see how quickly our Board move for a replacement, although Moyes had not signed a new deal and was about to be out of contract I wouldn't mind betting that they haven't lined up possible serious successors.

Personally I wouldn't want any of Martinez, Lennon, Hughes or O'Neill. I would be happy to give either Lambert or Laudrup a shot though.

I'd also not want Moyes hanging around, if he's moving on then he moves on, immediately, that's life, thanks David but on you go, no waiting until the end of season etc.

A new manager needed, a forced EGM, it's going to be an interesting summer!!

So Bill, your move, What Next?

Nick Entwistle
523 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:14:32
Reserve manager Warren Joyce just introduced by Sky Bet at 40/1,
James Martin
524 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:15:11
Yes Nick he's also the only manager in football history never to have won a trophy.
Phil Bellis
525 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:15:12
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/130508/david-Moyes-appointed-manchester-united-manager-197137

What a circus

Andrew Ellams
526 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:16:21
Surely he will leave at the end of the season and then Man Utd need to buy out his contract which I believe runs until 30th June

So 6 weeks at £75000, beggars can be choosers (all tongue in cheek by the way)

Kunal Desai
527 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:15:47
If Moyes goes to OT. I expect him to last between 6 months to a season. There are many Utd fans that don't want him there. We all know when the majority of fans don't want a manager they eventually get there way.
Nick Entwistle
528 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:17:16
No quotes, no nothing from the board, just TS pushing their chav station.
Patrick Murphy
529 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:14:13
if that Fer bloke ends up at United in the summer I won't be happy with DM because it was he who allegedly pulled the plug on the deal. Also I don't want any player exchange deals with MUFC in the future, if they want one of our players they pay the full price in hard-cash. No more playing second fiddle to the all powerful MUFC we may be poor we may not be in a position to challenge at the top but we must not become merely a feeder club for the mancs.

James Carlisle
530 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:09:45
Ferguson's retired. I guess this was the kind of thing Moyes was holding out for with his contract dithering. According to Sky Sports News he's now left our training ground but who knows he could just be going home so there may be no importance to it.

If he does go, I can't say I'll miss his negativity, lack of trophies, big game bottling. But in his time he has made a positive impact and many fans will miss him.

Come on, Kenwright: do something good for the club for once and find a manager that can take us to the next level.

Mat Fearon
531 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:20:31
Kunai. What nonsense.
Robbie Muldoon
532 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:20:21
It's like some surreal dream, Moyes is going o UNited. Must have been hard to give a fuck about getting 4th with Everton once you had the heads up you were replacing Sir Alex whenever that would have been (obviously not today).
Nick Entwistle
533 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:18:57
Kunal, Go lie down in a darkened room Kunal. Instead of the chop you craved he's getting the biggest promotion in football. Must hurt.

Eugene Ruane
534 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:15:37
Davie Turner (520) - "Talksport says Moyes may leave immediately while SSN say Everton expect Moyes to be Everton manager next season... It silly season all in one day!"

Well they certainly have the scoops!

I think the key words are 'may' and 'expect' - which gives us 'Moyes might go...or he might stay'.

Sensational!

Chris Regan
535 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:20:24
Patrick #529, I agree with you. But that won't happen as it would require our board to show conviction.
James Stewart
536 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:21:45
It's Moyes. For a guy overlooked for the spurs job not so long ago his fortunes have turned. Surely anyone can't seriously expect him to turn down the Utd job! Great move for him and as long as we don't fuck up choosing a new manager it could be a great move for us.

No sour grapes here. Wish him well just not against us.

Patrick Murphy
537 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:23:38
Nick has Billy sacked David Moyes? No he hasn't so in what way has he had the chop? It's his decision and it has always been his decision.
James Morgan
538 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:09:10
Supposedly it's immediate, so who would manage the last two games? Steve Round?!!!
Kunal Desai
539 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:23:35
What are you smoking Nick? give it a rest!
Phil Bellis
540 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:22:36
Nick,
If all this transpires, then I think we have a right to fell aggrieved with Moyes
He must have known about this and it must have effected his management of our club - human nature; however well-meaning, once you know you're leaving a job...
Nick Entwistle
541 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:25:43
I know Patrick, I think you misread.
Ben Jones
543 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:27:06
I don't know, I read the Talksport story, it looks a story without substance. Nothings happened yet in my opinion.
Kevin Tully
544 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:27:57
Talksport talking shite as usual - you can still place a bet, although best odds are 1/8!
Nick Entwistle
546 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:27:32
Rubbish Phil, we're in a situation where we don't know he's been offered the job or will be offered it yet you say it 'must' have effected him.

When and how?

You seem very sure of this effect yet we don't know what's going on.

Phil Bellis
547 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:30:24
Anyone seen Bill ?
Shane Corcoran
548 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:30:21
Where is his Moyes gives youth a chance shite coming from? Tony Hibbert?
John Crawley
549 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:25:27
Well good luck to him if he goes there. He's done a good job at Everton but nothing more than that and his limitations as a manager are well known. Personally I am surprised because his footballing philosophy is the antithesis of Ferguson's and indeed United's since the 50's. We need to move on and appoint someone with a distinct footballing philosophy who can transform the club from the youth level up.
Patrick Murphy
550 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:29:13
OK sorry Nick! But I wonder what it would have been like in 1987 if TW had been around and Howard Kendall decided to call it a day, my memory of the time was that many fans felt let down and dismayed and it tarnished his reputation, god know what the reaction would be like today.
Kev Johnson
551 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:25:07
Phil (511) - you never know, having a United manager in charge for the last two games may cause us to emulate the so-called Red Devils. Fabulous 30 yard strikes, slick passing moves and, best of all, winners in the 7th minute of injury time!

But seriously, if DM gets the OT job then it will be a case of us having a caretaker manager. I'm afraid Alan Stubbs is probably next in line. God forbid that Steve Round will assume the mantle! Then again, and I don't know if I might have already mentioned this, there's always Joe Royle!

Patrick Murphy
552 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:31:57
I've seen Unexpected Bill so I'm off to the local loan shark.
Sean Patton
553 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:10:23
I am in shock that Man United are setting the bar so low and if it does happen then the whole situation has a nasty whiff about it.

Moyes would have been tipped the wink by Ferguson and has just strung poor Bill along.

Richard Brandwood
554 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:31:27
Come on ToffeeWeb this should be you headline story.
Jim Knightley
555 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:29:40
Yes Kunal... Because United fans were really happy with Ferguson in the years after he took over...

I also don't seemwhy Everton fans should have a problem with Moyes leaving, if this all transpires. His contract ends in a couple of months...there are two, relatively meaningless games left. We need to make sure we beat West Ham, that's all, and confirm the extra £800,000 for securing sixth. I expect he would have signed a contract in January if we had backed him financially. But objectively, with our stadium, finances and useless board, Moyes should leave for a chance with a top four club, and he has no contract with Everton beyond July.

Kevin Tully
556 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:32:55
Don't you think the timing is quite strange on this?

Why not wait to the end of the season, and have a seamless transition with Moyes holding up the scarf?

Are Man U trying to hijack the Mourinho to Chelsea Deal?

Patrick Murphy
557 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:34:24
Sean perhaps the conspiracy theorists will recognise that our exit from the FA cup was engineered so as DM could go to OT rather than tour the city of Liverpool this coming Sunday. do.do.do.do the truth is out there......
Richard Dodd
558 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:08:18
You would have thought the Glazers would have given Ross a bell before they started to consider Davey as a candidate for their vacancy,would`nt you?
Phil Bellis
560 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:31:37
Not at all Nick
"If all this transpires.." read again
Still in wait and see mode; I think you'll agree, though, whatever the outcome, this Summer must be a watershed
Eugene Ruane
561 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:35:02
Jim (555) - "I also don't seemwhy Everton fans should have a problem with Moyes leaving, if this all transpires"

Problem!?

I just did my first cartwheel since 1971 on the strength of the rumour.

(broken furniture all over the show and I can't move my neck to the left, but the adrenalin is keeping the pain at bay)

Kev Johnson
562 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:36:32
I agree, Kevin. Why didn't SAF keep quiet until the end of the season? I suppose he might have wanted to have a proper send off from the fans. I can't think of another reason, apart from the one you suggest.
Jim Knightley
563 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:36:46
I think the timing is natural Kevin... as Ferguson will get a send-off in his last home game. It's right have the chance to say goodbye before the season ends, and United's last two games are utterly meaningless.

And with respect to an imminent announcement..I guess that is necessitated by United's stock exchange presence.

Patrick Murphy
564 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:36:53
No Kevin I think it's more likely that once SAF came to a decision to leave they wanted to give him a proper farewell in the last home game at OT. However if we had another six points on the board it would have seriously undermined out chances of CL and so it's all about what MUFC want as always.
Jim Knightley
565 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:39:30
I'm glad for you Eugene...I just hope you will still be doing cartwheels this time next season.
Andrew Ellams
566 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:39:36
The media wants their pound of flesh, the fans will rightfully want to show their appreciation at SAFs final home game and of course the stock market needs to know.

Just another day in the media mad, drama queen world of 21st century football

Kevin Tully
567 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:41:36
Those were my first thoughts to be honest, the two managers wanting to say goodbye and all that - but why the lag in announcing his replacement?

Mmmm..... not sure Moyes will be lauded around the Goodison pitch on Sunday also. The fans aren't stupid, we know this deal will have been sealed months ago, so all the talk of let's see how we do was bollocks.

Chris Regan
568 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:39:07

Eugene Ruane #534, Davie Turner (520) - where do SSN say Everton expect Moyes to be Everton manager next season? I can't find that quote.

Not doubting you though, just asking.

Patrick Murphy
569 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:48:41
According to the Stun:-


'With Alex Ferguson announcing he will retire at the end of the season, Toffees boss Moyes is rumoured to be in pole position to succeed his fellow Scot.
But Paul Tyrell, the Merseyside club’s director of communications, said: “There has been no approach by Manchester United to Everton regarding manager David Moyes.
“The relationship is such between both clubs that any contact would be made officially through the club.
"David is still under contract at Everton and so any approach would be official.” '

The plot thickens.

Paul Olsen
570 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:46:13
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/clubs/manchesterunited/article3759033.ece


Better source than talksport I would assume.

Jim Knightley
571 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:49:17
I suppose the lag may just be understandable...from the appearance of things, Ferguson has decided to leave only after winning the title... (I suppose he thinks it a perfect time to go). He only communicated it yesterday to the playing staff, and I suppose therefore that it will take a little while for the successor to be appointed. Be interesting to know how long ago the owners of United found out. Personally, I expect everything has happened in the past couple of weeks or so.
James Marshall
572 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:50:51
It's a done deal. DM will be at Utd next season and the reason they announced SAF leaving now, is so he can have a big send-off in the last home game against Swansea.

Good luck to them, he's been an incredible manager and none of us can deny that, or indeed deny their supporters the send-off.

This way, we (like it or not) get the same thing with DM before his last home game at the weekend. There's nothing strange about the timing at all - it makes perfect sense.

Good luck to David Moyes as well - who in their right mind would turn down the job in order to carry on struggling at Everton? Exactly, nobody.

I for one wish him the very best of luck, and look forward to our new appointment.

Rafa Benitez anyone?!

John Crawley
573 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:53:55
James 572 you were doing well then until your last line!
James Marshall
574 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:55:17
Well I felt quite reasoned throughout that post, so I needed to redress the balance a bit, John!

Malky Mackay? I have heard whispers....and it makes me shudder.

Matt Butlin
575 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:54:21
Alex Ferguson actually retired 6 years ago, which is today after all the injury time.

Seriously, I can't bare to watch. If Moyes goes, we'll have a summer of Bill trying to find a manager who will disappoint us all and come August we will be sitting ducks.

Eugene Ruane
576 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:55:03
James (572) - "It's a done deal. DM will be at Utd next season"

Is there some proof of this?

Sean Patton
577 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:53:24
Patrick

Indeed mate if Moyes does go the ITK and conspiracy theories will be springing up everywhere.

It looks a bit similar to the England frenzy last year every man and his dog had Redknapp who was odds on and practically confirmed by the red tops but Hodgson was the No1 target.

Davie Turner
578 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:57:07
@Chris Regan (568)

It was quotes on air, the Talksport one was from Stan Collymore and was read on air and the SSN one was said by the bloke they have loitering outside Finch Farm.

To be fair though, both stations are trying to drag this bit of news out all day, SSN is on in another room but everytime I drop in it about Ferguson, have they reported any other story all day??

Christopher Kelly
579 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:45:00
Finally!!! Moyes Out. Bill Out with him.

Very smart by SAF - he can't win the champions league anymore so he picks up his last trophy and leaves on top!!!

Moyes is a lock (although personally I'd go for Klopp)

He'll be at Man U for the next 20 years if he can transform into a winner (highly unlikely) but the thought is correct.

I'm happy for the guy but happier for us. It's time this board be exposed and this is the first step!

Andrew Laird
580 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:36:01
Dan Brierly, you asked a question I answered it. I am not your carer, parent or psychiatrist (I am sadistically tempted) so I chose with my own free will to answer what I thought was easy enough for you to answer yourself, apparently not.

People who shout the loudest normally say nothing at all, another poster to file under the "skip to next post" label.

"Ferguson's teams are not renowned for attacking and flair"....... What incredile insight from a fellow mammal who has opposable thumbs.

Kev Johnson
581 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:58:39
There is no proof, Eugene. That's no doubt why Michael and Lyndon have kept this thread under the "Rumour" section, instead of being the lead news item (despite it having 341 posts!)

Er, at least I THINK that's their reasoning...

James Marshall
582 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:00:21
Eugene@576 - I have no proof as such, but it's all over the media as I'm sure you're aware and makes perfect sense for both clubs and David Moyes.

Apart from Jurgen Klopp, I personally don't see anyone even close to being right for the job. Mourinho is a massive no-no for Utd.

Kevin Tully
583 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:59:58
It would be quite funny if Moyes stayed now, some posters are wondering if he'll play Rooney just behind Van Persie, or go 3-4-3!!
James Martin
584 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:57:13
Thought Moyes would never get offered a top job though?
Steavey Buckley
585 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:01:42
David Moyes will replace Sir Alex Ferguson as Manchester United manager
David Moyes will be announced as Manchester United's new manager within the next 24 hours as the Premier League champions aim to move quickly to appoint Sir Alex Ferguson’s successor at Old Trafford. Daily Telegraph
Kevin Tully
588 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:03:06
Back in to 1/6 now, mmm.....
Phil Sammon
590 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:02:26
Would Moyes have even been spoken about for this job if he weren't Scottish?
Alasdair Mackay
591 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:58:44
It's time for us anyway - Moyes has done wonders for Everton, but he has never won a trophy and he has never won an away game at Liverpool. For me the Wigan game and that awful showing last weekend against a team ripe for the beating were the final nail in the coffin.

I hope Moyes does well at United, I really do, but his tenure has run his course and we should be grateful that we can embark on a new era at the right time for everyone.

Moyes will no doubt try and take Baines with him, but he has too much respect for his previous employers to short-change us, so we will get our £20m. We should also get £30m for Fellaini, who will no doubt be on his way too. If the new TV money can go a long way to keeping the debtors happy, I see no reason why the club can't guarantee the new man £35-40m to put back into a re-build. Suddenly we are an attractive opportunity for a promising young manager.

Bilic or Martinez for me, but there is also Di Matteo currently available and Solskjaer looks impressive. We also have 3 or 4 within the club who could step up in a few years - the likes of Stubbs, Weir, Ferguson or Neville.

It is a good time to be looking for the type of manager we are looking for.

Kev Johnson
593 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:02:44
Jesus, this is turning into an issue of one of those gossip mags that girlies like to read!

I heard Mourinho's moob job counted against him. Or it could have been his cellulite. It is quite unsightly, to be fair.

Steve Guy
594 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:06:07
BREAKING: In honour of Sir Alex Ferguson retiring, all Premier League clubs will play an additional 5 minutes of added time this weekend.
Clive Lewis
596 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:05:11
Well apparently they wanted someone with a lot of experience with europe... who plays attractive football.... and can bring the youngsters through.....Can spot a good player and buy them without hesitation (Van Persie etc.)

But they couldn't find anyone........so they accepted that he was Scottish and might get better......

Good Luck Moyes

Eugene Ruane
597 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:00:42
Just on Fergie for the moment.

Has anyone, while watching him interviewed before recent United games, thought all/any of the following?

a) 'His kipper is REALLY fucking red'

b) 'He's slurring'

c) 'He's bladdered'

d) 'He's looking very Clough-like'

Don't mean to impugn the man but I've thought all four a few times this season.

Ian Smitham
600 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:04:45
Jim# 555, Your last line is the truest spoken on here
Phil Bellis
602 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:05:19
James (572)
"This way, we... get the same thing with DM before his last home game at the weekend"

Hmm..you'd like to think so (or would we all?) but...wasn't HK the only manager to ever voluntarily leave Everton?**

We can be a funny crowd, as you know, and none of us have ever experienced a managerial "send-off"

Still all conjecture, of course

** any historians know different?

Kevin Tully
603 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:09:31
Yeah Eugene, let's hope they never found him in the sauna with his suit buttoned up like Cloughie!
John Gee
606 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:10:17
Eugene, a Man Utd fan pointed out to me that he was becoming forgetful. SAF did say that he'd carry on until his health wasn't up to it anymore.

I bet Pep Guardiola kicked his cat across the room this morning!

Phil Bellis
607 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:12:34
Ah...did Big Joe walk or was he "shoved"?
Christopher Kelly
608 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:06:30
John - Bayern will win the next 3 champions league so I think he's just fine
Mike Gaynes
609 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:13:22
Sky Sports reports live... "business as usual" at the Everton training ground today, and nobody at Everton has been approached about Moyes.
Kev Johnson
610 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:10:43
Eugene - so what are you saying? That SAF's upcoming hip replacement surgery is actually... liver replacement surgery? Hmm.
Christopher Kelly
611 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:14:57
And his pussy will be fine too
Patrick Murphy
613 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:12:27
I think you're right Phil, most have left suddenly usually in 'you're fired' mode and HK left in the summer of 87. The Cat fell ill and I don't remember any grand send-off for him, but I may be wrong. It is indeed a rarity for an Everton manager to leave the club of his own accord. Carey, Bingham Lee, Walker, Royle and Smith were all dismissed and only HK1 wasn't, I can't remember what happened to Harvey was he just demoted?

Chris Jones [Burton]
614 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:15:00
Well if DM does go to Manyoo, we will at least be able to enjoy the spectacle of one of our old boys leading a team that, whenever they do well, gives that lot across the park grief for their ulcers!
Kev Johnson
615 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:15:38
Ah, I see this thread is now retitled and is the leading TW article!

Does that mean it's not a rumour?

Steavey Buckley
616 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:12:03
According to the Daily Telegraph, Moyes will be announced as the next manager of Man United in the next 24 hours.
Andrew Ellams
617 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:14:20
My guess Phil is that he was shoved as he started to walk
Garry Corgan
619 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:18:08
@613 Harvey was sacked as manager but returned as coach when HK was reappointed. HK#2 also resigned fyi.

So, Howard Kendall resigned (third spell was by mutual consent,) Catterick wasn't sacked and before that you have to go back to 1956 and Cliff Britton.

Phil Bellis
621 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:19:42
Ha! Andrew - nice one
Patrick - from memory, Colin was sacked and then Howard appointed him as assistant on his return
(sacked for coming 4th and losing a cup final - those were the days!)

Andrew Ellams
623 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:23:15
Phil, try telling those people that claim Moyes is the best since Kendall Mk1 what Harvey achieved in a much shorter period of time whilst trying to hold together a squad and replace some of the best players ever to play for Everton and see what sort of response you get. Then throw a comment in about Joe Royle actually winning something
Phil Bellis
625 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:24:24
Hi Garry
Harry was "moved upstairs" due to ill health
Did HK II really "resign"?

And, according to NSNO it is alleged to have been reported from an unconfirmed and not 100% previously reliable source that Mr Moyes has "accepted" the role of manager at Man Utd

What a day for getting no work done!

Ross Edwards
627 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:26:36
Well, Man U will regret it if Mourinho wins the PL and the CL next seaon with Chelsea with Moyes' Man Utd finishing 3rd or 4th having been knocked out of the CL by Milan in the Last 16.

Well, DM, if you want Heitinga, Bill, Pip, Osman, Jelavic, Naismith to all go with you, fine by us.

Maybe Nais might be a suitable replacement for Wayne Rooney...

Patrick Murphy
628 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:23:40
It all seems a lifetime away, I just looked it up on wiki Harvey was fired after our (then) worst start to a campaign in October 1990 and HK appointed a week later. Thanks for the information Garry, my memory is not what it used to be.
John Gee
629 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:27:53
Andrew (623), what you're missing is that while Harvey was manager we were a BIG club. The FA cup under Joe (hero!) was an anomaly. Moyes has done an excellent job under very difficult circumstances. It's a cliché but it's only a cliché because it's true.
Tony J Williams
632 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:06:42
he is not going, a lot of people getting excited about an unsubstantiated rumour due to betting odds. It was the same with the Spuds job
Ross Edwards
633 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:29:17
It is just inevitable that we are going to be linked with the following names:
Hughes
McClaren
Mackay
Harry
Zola is not a bad shout, neither is Poyet, and we might be available if Brighton or Watford don't go up this year in the playoffs.
Garry Corgan
634 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:30:26
I bet Wayne Rooney is looking forward to that reunion. Did he and Moyes ever clear the air after the court case?
Ross Edwards
635 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:31:32
Shane
Good shout, he might bring Griezmann with him from Sociedad. He's a good little player, and could be a long term replacement for Pienaar.
Nick Entwistle
636 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:31:39
Erm, since when was is stated Man Utd were going to name a replacement today or tomorrow?

Didn't hear it was, unless anyone knows different. But I doubt if it's Moyes it would be announced until after Chelsea.

Ross Edwards
637 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:33:22
Garry
The minute DM comes in, Wayne will creep out the back door, jump in his car and drive to the Etihad Stadium. He would not want to be with DM again believe me, that would be his career kaput.
Patrick Murphy
638 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:30:30
No they can't have Jelavic I want him to have another tilt next season after a summer recharging his batteries if he still doesn't cut it he can leave in January 2014.
I know I said I didn't want swaps with United but if it was Heitning for Vidic Naismith for Welbeck and Osman for Cleverly then I might be persuaded.
Ross Edwards
639 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:33:22
Garry
The minute DM comes in, Wayne will creep out the back door, jump in his car and drive to the Etihad Stadium. He would not want to be with DM again believe me, that would be his career kaput.
Tony Marsh
640 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:29:00
Who ever sanctioned this move needs therapy. It is crazy to put a manager of such limited European credentials into the biggest football post in the world.

I can't see Moyes lasting two seasons at Man Utd. At least we will have a chance to win at OT now. Man Utd fans who have gorged on success and free-flowing football for half a century won't stand for the shit we have had to endure for 11 years.

I think it's hilarious to be honest. Lump on Chelsea or Man City for the League title next season as it's a nap Man Utd won't win it for a while if this story is true.

Steve King
641 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:33:03
The most reliable source in UK media is publishing some interesting stories:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2321170/Alex-Ferguson-retires-David-Moyes-replace-Manchester-United-directors-reject-Jose-Mourinho.html

Kev Johnson
642 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:35:26
"The most reliable source in UK media" Ha-ha! The Daily Mail? Don't make me laugh, Steve! Oh, too late, you already have...
Brent Stephens
643 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:22:19
Moyes is being given a watch on Sunday, at his last home game, and one of those big hands you see kids wearing and waving at matches, so he can point at it on the touchline at OT. Also been given a map so he can find his arse.
Shane Corcoran
644 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:35:21
What a call by The Mail. I sure hope that journalist is paid handsomely for that guess.
Paul Ferry
645 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:05:28
Judging by the couple of Man-U boards I've parachuted into, Moyes would not be a popular pick. The two main reasons seem to be virtually zilch Euro experience and, close your eyes Doddy and Entwistle, the footie we play. Also up there is never really having major major sponds to spend and what he might do with a big war chest. They want the Dortmund fella.

I myself would still be surprised if he got this job solely on the basis of his lack of big Euro nights. But it makes sense also: Fergie has thought for a while now that he will hang up his boots at the end of the season, natters with his mate Moyes about it, sounds him out, puts in a word for him (I'm assuming he will have a fair amount of input into who his successor will be), gaffer's contract winding down, not saying anything as he knows what's coming his way in May. That seems a plausible scenario to me at any rate.

Perhaps at the end of the day it's the distance between us and Man-U in all respects of the game on and off the pitch (it's night and day) that makes me wonder whether our gaffer will be offered this chance. So, perhaps I'm forgetting how very highly respected he is in the game and that for many outside our club this seems a good move by Man-U.

IF he toddles off down the East Lancs, what a summer it will be in L4! I could plausibly see us lurching from one day to the next: Kenwright spouting gibberish, a few players leaving (Baines and Fellaini to Man-U for two - Jags?), the footie chattering classes talking about crisis at The Old Lady.

Good news: perhaps Roundy will go with him and perhaps Phil Neville will find himself on the Man-U coaching staff.

I'm with Doddy on this one, my biggest fear is the decision being in the hands of gobshite Kenwright and his crew of cash licking cronies who have done virtually nothing to help Moyes except to let him go. OMG I shudder at the prospect of them in a huddle going down their dream hit-list. Someone younger than Moyes with a reputation for flair please.

Funny old world, perhaps both sets of fans will be unhappy this summer and maybe, just maybe, we might actually get a gaffer who will breathe new life into EFC, and end up feeling a little happier than Sui - Utd till I die - Xong in Thailand, China, Korea etc.

Ross Edwards
646 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:34:59
Nick Entwistle

The Telegraph are reporting that DM will be announced as manager before Sunday's match with Swansea.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10044158/David-Moyes-will-replace-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-as-Manchester-United-manager.html

Patrick Murphy
647 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:35:00
Rooney has already made noises about going to Bayern Muncih according to recent reports.
Richard Reeves
648 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:15:33
Eugene, I've certainly noticed his slurring this season,a few times, particularly at those pre-match press conferences. Sometimes I've actually thought he might've had a small stroke but the following week or at least after the following game he's appeared to be back to normal.

Your post at #561 made me laugh as you often do but I think I'll hold back on the cart wheels until it's official... but like you, the adrenalin — the bloody adrenalin!!!

Andrew Rimmer
649 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:31:39
That's Rooney on his way out of Old Trafford then. Made his money, come back to us?
Ross Edwards
653 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:37:51
Well Paul, it seems he is being recommended by Fergie himself, the Old Scots Network and all...
Jamie Crowley
659 Posted 08/05/2013 at 14:24:33
Wow... just woke up a few hours ago and about fell out of my chair when I heard the news.

A massive moment for Everton Football Club.

Laudrup, Poyet, Martinez... please. A progressive and aggressive manager please God.

If we go for a Hughes or O'Neill type I'll be so disappointed it will simply be beyond explanation.

Ross Edwards
660 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:46:32
The question is how well will DM do? As this could affect his reputation in football and his legacy here. If he is successful and we flounder, then the majority on this site will be right and us wrong, but if he fails and we flourish, his legacy, (if he has one, mind) will be affected.
Jim Harrison
661 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:47:29
Biggest shame is there would be no compensation. And he knows what value the board put on Fella and baines
Jamie Crowley
662 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:49:02
Jim -

Fella is good as gone anyway. If Moyes goes to Man U Baines is the real loss as I believe he will defo follow

Steve King
668 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:47:21
Happy to raise a smile Kev!

Even though its obviously utter guess work and bollocks I do like their Pereira shout:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2320960/Everton-line-Porto-boss-Vitor-Pereira-contender-replace-David-Moyes.html

Kidding myself though, I full expect a disheartening anti climax when we appoint someone like Dean Saunders or Steve Bruce!

Chad Schofield
669 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:48:19
First Margaret thatcher dies, then Sir Alex Ferguson retires, somewhere, there is a scouser with a lamp and one wish left!


I hope Moyes goes for him and for us. Whoever goes there will have a Hell of a job to win over the fans, but if there's one man who could steadfastly see that through, it's Moyes.

It would be a terrible move for most managers.

Nelly Verdonghan
670 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:44:05
IF he does go there put your money on the same thing happening to Moyes as happened to Hodgson...they just won't put up with his KITAP1 style of play at Utd...all you 'we're screwed without Moyes' merchants will find out just how good a Manager he really is as lack of cash...his main shield over the past 11 yrs.....cannot be used as an excuse....

ps...betcha Rooney does one before the start of the season as well if Moyes gets the job !!

John Ford
671 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:49:51
Are there any theatre impressarios with premier experience?........our play was just adorable dear....but the referree was a toootal bitch.
Ross Edwards
672 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:53:15
What about Jorge Jesus the Benfica manager, if we're looking to Portugal?
James McGarry
676 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:44:51
Moyes has to go NOW and let us get someone in who's positive and doesn't play negative football, someone tactically minded. Kenwright don't fucking dare pass this opportunity up or leave it late so we can't get any signings in and then use it as an excuse. In fact Kenwright pack ur bags and fuck off with Moyes. Man Utd fans look out and forget Champions League this man won't win you fuck all. Lets see the board step up to the plate and get a decent manager in place who wants to win trophies and back him in the transfer window. Lets hope they don't look for another puppet like Moyes.
Ross Edwards
677 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:54:14
"Sam Hoare
If Moyes goes to Utd then surely Ross Edwards will have to go with him after telling us so many times with such surety that it will never happen....every cloud has a silver lining I suppose."
TAXI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brent Stephens
679 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:56:30
Ross, from the Messiah to Jesus?
Stephen Doyle
681 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:54:45
Laudrup or Pellegrini for me.
David Chait
683 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:52:44
I honestly didn't believe Moyes would get the job.. No success, too defensive etc etc.. But shit the more this seems a reality the more it just makes sense... Might be a master stroke.

It's very exciting if it is... The who will come debate will be crazy... I'm saying it: Steve Mclaren. Very successful at Twente. Otherwise why can't we get Klopp!

John Ford
684 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:00:04
Guardian now reporting that Moyes will be announced as Utds manager in the next 24hrs.
Gregory Kelly
685 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:37:08
20/1 on to go. I fear for him and I fear for us. Moyesy has great strengths, SAF like in his capacity for work and his determination and that will take him a long way - but far enough? I doubt it. He has not done well for us in the biggest games and he has been poor at making changes in his teams - Neville, Cahill, Jelavic have all been persevered with beyond their 'use by' dates. On the other hand he has (largely) got it right with Osman and Distin who many supporters doubted. He has shown this season, when he has the resources, that he can play attacking, attractive football but his 'default' position under stress has been defensive. I doubt his tactical capacity to compete on the biggest stages.

As for us I think he had come to a crossroads at Everton. I don't think it will be but it could be for the best for Everton. The Premiership is so precarious that mostly what I feel is fear. Moysey is/was our 'safe pair of hands' we don't have the resources to afford many or any mistakes.

I wish him well, he gave us his everything and you cant ask for more than that.

DAVY PLEASE STAY...........DONT GO AWAYT.

Ross Edwards
686 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:02:17
"Ross, from the Messiah to Jesus?"
See how I did that Brent? Seems a logical change over.
Nelly Verdonghan
687 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:53:50
Just a thought....What about Michael Laudrup ??

A young, forward-thinking,progressive, attack-minded manager who has loads of experience from playing at the HIGHEST level to draw on...a manager who's team plays entertaining, PASSING football....

Michael Laudrup....a manager who won't shit himself every time he goes to Anfield, Old Trafford, Emirates and Stamford Bridge...I do believe that he has won at three of these places THIS SEASON alone !!

Michael Laudrup...a manager who is used to working with a limited buget and has actually WON a trophy ...unlike our present incumbant !!

Moyes has done a very decent job of taking us from where we were to where we are....BUT we will NEVER win a trophy whilst he's in charge...his style of play just won't allow it....time for a change and I believe that Laudrup just might be the man...

Mark Scarratt
688 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:54:22
According to talk sport website, Moyes has signed, so its a done deal.
Good luck to him, but Man Utd are taking a huge gamble.
To me Moyes strengths are his teamwork, effort, getting the best out of limited resources and limited players and buying younger lower league talent for small transfer fees.
In all his 11 years at Everton he has hardly ever/ never played attacking flair football. He has a dubious track record when buying players for large/ larger transfer fees.
His record in Europe is crap, albeit based on limited experience
He has never won away to any of the so called big 4 of Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea

Like it or not Man Utd demand trophies won with style
Moyes has not done either with Everton
The only difference will obviously be the massive finances at Utd
Can he handle it
Time will tell
Huge gamble

David Chait
689 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:02:01
At least Utd will come to Everton playing to draw and maybe nicking a winner..
Ross Edwards
692 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:03:38
"The who will come debate will be crazy... I'm saying it: Steve Mclaren"
Oh dear. Oh dear oh deary me, oh no no no no no no. Not the Wally with a Brolly. No chance, I'd rather have Moyes than him.
Mat Fearon
693 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:57:16
That's right James, Moyes does not have a clue. Those that run Man Utd seem to think differently though. But perhaps they have no idea eh? Let's see what he can do with some cash behind him shall we?
Jamie Crowley
695 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:06:17
Ross -

If its McClaren I won't even bother to fucking watch.

Nelly Verdonghan
697 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:06:52
Yes Mat...Let's JUST see eh !!
David Israel
698 Posted 08/05/2013 at 15:48:30
The announcement has been made now so that SAF can have a big send-off, as rightly pointed out here, and his successor will be announced within the next couple of days, so that he, too, can have a big send-off!;-)
Ross Edwards
699 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:08:07
"Ross -
If its McClaren I won't even bother to fucking watch."
I will jump head first into the Mersey if he is appointed. You can quote me on that.
Nelly Verdonghan
700 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:07:50
We all know that Bullshit Bill will want a yes man.... so don't be surprised idf good ole Roundy isn't the new manager come the new season !!
Jamie Crowley
701 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:08:58
LMFAO

TY Ross. Just cheered me up immensely

Ross Edwards
702 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:09:33
BK will probably appoint himself!
Paul Ferry
704 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:10:10
Reportedly being heard over and over again in the Freshy, sung by a rather dishy looking shapely chap by all accounts with tears streaming down his ruggedly handsome face:

‘Dave I love you so
I want you to know
that I'm going to miss your love
the minute you walk out that door

so please don't go
don't go, don't go away
please don't go
don't go, I'm begging you to stay

If you live, at least in my life time
I had one dream come true
I was blessed to be loved
by someone as wonderful as you

Hey hey hey
I need your love
I'm down on my knees
beggin' please please
please don't go
don't you hear me Dave
don't leave me now
oh no no no don't go’

Jamie Crowley
706 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:10:04
Nelly if its Round...

I'll buy a ticket from Florida to Liverpool and join Ross in that head first dip.

No way... can't be Round OMG no

Andrew Rimmer
708 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:05:00
If we're in to suggesting managers not 1 year into their job why not Adkins? Get real people, we're no big catch. Mid table no prospects no money.
Stubbsy and Dunc it is then!
Jamie Crowley
709 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:11:24
Paul stop it! My stomach hurts. Between u and Ross I'm gonna lose my breakfast.
Mark Tanton
710 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:08:47
I've not always been his biggest fan, and found his idiosyncrasies annoying. Like a long relationship with a woman, we've got on each other's nerves and the passion has sometimes felt long gone. But David Moyes has kept this club from oblivion, and I respect him and, damn it, will miss him. Good luck Davey, and thanks for everything. I hope they bring the house down for you on the weekend.
Ross Edwards
711 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:10:09
"TY Ross. Just cheered me up immensely"
And if Round or Pip is appointed Jamie I will climb on the roof of the Gwladys Street preferably the moment BK arrives at trhe ground, and just squish myself on his car, brain blood, guts, all.
Peter Fearon
712 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:12:30
I'd rather be singing Bye Bye Davey...
Al Reddish
713 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:06:22
David Moyes is the new manager of Manchester United.

The Everton boss has agreed to move to Old Trafford and will join the club at the end of the season.

Moyes' future has been in doubt for several months, after his refusal to sign a new deal on Merseyside and, following Sir Alex Ferguson's retirement, the Red Devils have acted quickly to land the former Preston chief.

The Scot has been at Goodison Park for 11 years but has only an FA Cup runners-up medal, from 2009, to his name and has no experience in the Champions League proper.
John Ford
714 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:10:14
Surely big Sam...who is out of contract at the end of eason would induce a higher rate of blue tinged suicides than Steve Mclaren?

Phil Bellis
715 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:12:02
Paul
followed by...

"If I called out your name like a prayer in the night
Would you leave me alone with my tears?
Knowing I-I, I love you so-o, would you still turn and go?
Or would this time be different in some wa-a-ay?

Don't go (Please stay)
(Please stay)

Ross Edwards
716 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:12:36
Paul
If you hear a massive scream in the next 24 hours, that is the sound of Richard Dodd having a severe mental breakdown and martyring himself for St Moyes of Goodison.
John Ford
717 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:14:12
Quote your source Al....or do you just like journo type speak?
Jamie Crowley
718 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:13:31
just set a personal TW record for LOLing...

I have to work...
Kev Johnson needs to beware - this is approaching favorite post ever
I think I wet myself a bit

Mat Fearon
719 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:11:50
Well Nelly, if he manages to get everton to sixth with a net spend equivalent to 16/17th in the league, it is likely he will do pretty well with 50 odd million to spend a year. But again, perhaps those who run man united know less about managing a cloud than you...
Paul Ferry
720 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:15:05
My mate just texted me as he just saw some handsome geezer with a bunch of wood and a ladder building a 16ft high crucifix outside The Old Lady
Mat Fearon
721 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:15:59
Cloud? Club.....
Al Reddish
722 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:16:00
Sorry John, it's the lead story on Talksport, thought I had added that bit.
Chris Gould
723 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:11:47
We got lucky with Moyes. Fairly unknown and untested and he came good. We will have to repeat that trick again as, as Andrew 708 said, we are no great catch and won't appeal to a manager with real ambition. Sad but true.
Ross Edwards
724 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:14:41
Me, Marsh, Rathbone would be singing this Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Cylm24VWY
Dodd, Entwistle and the gang will be singing this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPcsMMEMbfw
Jamie Crowley
725 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:16:31
Mat -

Just wait until "the players don't show up" or some such nonsense.

Moyes will get skewered.

Not saying he won't succeed. But that first flat performance and God forbid he has two in a row - the knives will be out for DM

John Ford
726 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:17:34
Yeh it seems to be growing Al. A few of the more reputable papers (via internet) are saying the same thing.

Roberto Birquet
727 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:09:05
From the sound of it, Moyes won't manage Everton again. not even v West Ham? That would be bloody disrespectful, and likely mean a morgue at the game and us finishing below the Shite after all.

It's obvious he's gone. you don't get all that money going on him days before any rumour of SAF going had even turned up, and you don't all the media agreeing with each other like this so quickly...

A lot of people are gonna wake up to how small a club we've become. Like the FT said: the unfasionalble club in the country's poorest city. We are now miles behind Spurs, and without Moyes, will be many more points behind them, too.

Sliiiiiiide

Ross Edwards
728 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:17:37
"I'll buy a ticket from Florida to Liverpool and join Ross in that head first dip."
Change of plan Jamie, we're going to climb to the roof of the Gwladys Street and jump off head first, hopefully landing on BK.
Kevin Tully
729 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:17:43
Just heard the M6 at Thelwall is shut because of a rotund balding chap with a David Moyes facemask and Everton scarf is threatening to jump.....
Richard Dodd
730 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:14:10
Thanks for the plug,Paul. I just hope there was a talent scout present who might get me a spot on the X Factor.
Truly a sad day for all Evertonians but if I`m spotted at least you lot will get some peace!
Jamie Crowley
731 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:18:39
OMG every time I hit the refresh button it's just hilarity.

Why 16 feet Paul? Shouldn't it be measured in cubits or some such thing?

Chris Gould
732 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:18:24
sky sports just reported that 99% of Everton supporters have been delighted with Moyes and that of course there are always the odd few that question what he does.
Guess that odd few are all on here then.
Al Reddish
733 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:20:04
And don't forget Kenwright originally wanted Megson to manage Everton until Walter Smith pointed him in Moyes' direction.
Jamie Crowley
735 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:20:54
I'll be there Ross. Just a public service in action
Phil Bellis
736 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:19:47
With the frenzied speculative headlines now becoming as bold as "David Moyes is new manager of Man Utd", the silence from the officials of Everton Football Club is deafening

What to make of it all?

Ross Edwards
737 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:20:31
Roberto Birquet

They are appointing him now, but he will officially start at the end of the season, he will be in charge of Man U at the end of the season.

Woohoo!!!!!!

Paul Ferry
738 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:18:06
Ha nice one Ross - 724 - love the thought of you, Marshy, and Barry leaping about in ball crushing disco jump suits. Speaking of that, I have heard that Entwistle has a very high pitched voice and I think I now know why. Latest reports are of a crushed very handsome and shapely fell crawling on hands and knees up the Formby Bypass, flagellating, screaming no, no, no
Ross Edwards
739 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:23:34
Doddy
Are you Ok? Do you need cheering up mate?
Wayne McNee
740 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:08:16
If this is true? I smell a football conspiracy. One where a lesser club has been institutionally & financially shafted by one of the big boys! I'm not a DM fan & am only angry if this has been slowly engineered by Mancs.

Pip? Was this his schooling? Will he be unveiled as an assistant? Why else was he here & kept well after sell-by date?

DM is basically a cunt if he walks after running his contract down & allowing for no compensation for a club who stuck with shit for 11 years whilst he snaffled one if the biggest manager salaries!

There's not much point to this post but I found it cathartic!

Jamie Crowley
741 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:24:10
Phil -

The silence is understandable. They won't comment until its official.

Sure seems a done deal

Al Reddish
742 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:24:10
At least we now know how the Moyes - Kenwright summer transfer budget talks now went!
Ross Edwards
743 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:24:39
I am worried for Richard in this terrible hour. Ha!
Paul David
744 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:22:20
Fuck me, people are sending in posts quicker than they can be read.To use a line from Phoenix Nights

"I haven't seen them this excited since they that peodofiles address was printed in the newspaper".

Ross Edwards
746 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:26:01
Yep, Al, Leon Osman, Steven Naismith, Johnny Heitinga and Steven Pienaar will all be going with him. They were just sorting out the details.

Join in everyone: Celebration time come on!

Jamie Crowley
747 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:27:25
LMAO Paul David.

I can't post anymore I HAVEto work.

Please keep it up Ill be reading from afar.

TY boys. Very enjoyable morning for me.

Nelly Verdonghan
748 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:22:37
Mat #719....we'll soon see won't we.....won't have lack of cash to hide behind every season if he goes there will he....Lets just wait and see who turns out to be right...you or me ????

I know who my money's on !!

Paul Ferry
749 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:26:29
We will all pull together as Evertonian whatever our views to help Doddy get through the next 24 hours. I've dispatched Ross Edwards and Tony Marsh to the Formby Bypass to collect him. There are now pictures on Twitter of an extremely shapely and good looking half naked man crazily eating berries near the Altcar turn-off, singing Joy Division songs very loudly...
David Chait
750 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:24:18
I'm actually pissing my pants in excitement but at the same time shitting myself with fear...
Ross Edwards
751 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:28:56
Make sure you get Celebration by Kool and the Gang boomin' on the stereo Jamie.
This is genuinely the happiest day of my life.
Ross Edwards
754 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:30:50
"We will all pull together as Evertonian whatever our views to help Doddy get through the next 24 hours. I've dispatched Ross Edwards and Tony Marsh to the Formby Bypass to collect him."

Me and Marshy will be dressed in the 70s jumpsuits belting out Celebration, and when we find Doddy, we will console him with a rousing rendition of Love will Tear us Apart, followed by Bee Gees' Tragedy.

Learning the dance now...

Robbie Muldoon
755 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:32:00
By the way is Kenwright coming out of all this with no shit on him at all? We have just lost our manager to the biggest club in the world for fuck all. Looking out for Everton or himself once again? Fat prick.
Phil Bellis
756 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:31:55
Wayne McNee
Get it off your chest, man
Mind you, if you turn out to be wrong, Nick Entwistle will be after you
Andrew Rimmer
758 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:35:06
Formby by-pass is closed. I was doing doughnuts on it laughing my tits off.
Andrew Ellams
759 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:32:33
Ross, I think it's time for a change but I think you may be going OTT a little now. I suggest a bit of a lie down
Ross Edwards
760 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:35:46
Phil Bellis
Nick is in too much heartache and debilitating depression to fight back agaisn't any point of view. Me and Marshy have been sent by Paul Ferry to console Doddy and Nick in their critcal hours of need.
John Gee
761 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:17:49
'The Utd job interests me a great deal It's a fabulous club with great history and tradition. However, my heart is with Everton. I love the club and could never leave especially when I'm only half way through my 20 year project.'

-statement just released by DM to my head.

BTW, 2 things:

1. Laudrup has just signed a contract at Swansea and

2. Laudrup has just signed a contract at Swansea.

I realise that's, technically, just one point but I thought it was worth mentioning twice.

Ross Edwards
762 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:37:17
"Ross, I think it's time for a change but I think you may be going OTT a little now. I suggest a bit of a lie down"
No Andrew. I've been waiting nearly 2 years for this man to leave and now it is finally happening. You cannot supress my joyous frenzy...
Al Reddish
763 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:30:25
Just looking at the odds for our new manager. Martinez favourite, joint second Poyet and Lennon, third Pip, fourth Mackay, joint fifth Clarke Freedman and Tuchell. Some interesting names though like Carragher, Fowler, Andy Gray, Peter Reid, Venables Paul Ince and even Alex Ferguson!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Pugh
764 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:29:30
I was wondering, if he does go, whether Michael and Lyndon could save this thread somewhere and bring it out at the end of next season. Just to see who was right, and who was wildly overconfident.
Ross Edwards
766 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:40:09
Don't be suprised if Fergie is unvailed as the new face of Rolex!
Phil Bellis
767 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:37:24
Ross
Nip in to a newsagents and get them this month's Big & Bouncy so they will know they're not the only pair of tits around

(smiley face thing: just a joke, boys - it may be the rest of us are wrong)

Ross Edwards
768 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:40:49
No Phil, we're right, we can celebrate, let them wallow in their angst, self doubt, misery, depression in their love of their lives leaving them after 11 years.
Paul Ferry
769 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:38:37
what's a contract these days John mate - 761? I don't think Laudrup will walk our way, but aint worth the paper it's written on. I guess it will be Martinez and I suppose we might end up getting Macmannan and Maloney, both star potential. One thing for sure, there will be more than a few new faces at The Old Lady first kick of next season. Key thing is that we get a new gaffer in place handily. Like Doddy, as I keep saying, I am very worried right now but also genuinely excited and intrigued.
Peter Foy
771 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:38:54
John, you nicked that off Kryten (Red Dwarf).

Classic.

Ross Edwards
773 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:43:26
'The Utd job interests me a great deal It's a fabulous club with great history and tradition. However, my heart is with Everton. I love the club and could never leave especially when I'm only half way through my 20 year project."
20!!!!!! God! LOL! Didn't make it though did he?
Ryan Holroyd
774 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:42:17
So the biggest club in the world want our manager and some are rejoicing in it.

Ross - Will you still post this time next year and if we're in the bottom 3, will you admit that you were wrong?

Patrick Murphy
775 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:37:17
According to BBC business pages
Man U shares fall by as much as 4.5% the club said that 'any successor of our current manager may not be as successful as our current manager; it warned.

David Moyes should he be appointed may not have the pot of gold he might like, it was only a few weeks ago that SAF was saying that United would spend in the coming summer but was contradicted last week by one of the directors.

Brian Harrison
776 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:09:47
I think his critics will be pleased if he goes, but for me a really sad day this guy has worked wonders on a shoestring budjet. His critics always said if he is that good how come none of the top clubs have come in for him, well if the rumour is true he will manage the biggest football club in the World.

I wish him all the very best as it will be a massive job taking over from Ferguson, thats why I thought they would appoint Mourinho someone who was used to handling a big club and big player egos.

Our problem will be the same as Man Utds in a way how do you replace someone who has been at the club for so long. I shudder when I hear some choices to replace Moyes, Martinez ok if you fancy flirting with relegation every year but not for me. Lets also remember that there are clubs who have come up into the Prem with less money than Wigan and arent relegation fodder.

Ross Edwards
777 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:46:17
Ryan- Whole heartedly, but lets see who we'll get and then start the blame game if he fails.
Andrew Ellams
778 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:42:25
Steve Pugh, I have a feeling that this conversation may well be revisited several times over the next 12 months and beyond so will know by whoever gloats the most how today's predictions fared
Paul Ferry
779 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:45:44
Ryan, we will not in the bottom three this time next year (774). Ross will also be posting this time next year. Doom and gloom merchants are just as silly as anyone with a party hat on blowing whistles
Scott Hamilton
782 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:47:59
From The People's Club to The Sheeple's Club
Brent Stephens
783 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:48:43
Paul "we will not be in the bottom three this time next year". Now that's ambition.
Ross Edwards
784 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:49:18
Look, if we have a chimp as manager I'll still be commenting Ryan. I didn't just join this site to spread Anti-Moyes propaganda you know...
Eugene Ruane
786 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:43:02
This could change as I hit 'SUBMIT COMMENT' but..

Either talksport are wrong.

Or they're right and they're waaaaay ahead of the competition (ie: Sky).

Or they've simply taken a punt and hope they've guessed right.

Sky certainly haven't said anything.

Patrick Murphy
788 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:46:30
If the people at Everton and most importantly its players cannot cope with the loss of David Moyes then they will deserve to go down, I'm pretty sure those who remain at the club will want to prove that they are decent footballers and they should react accordingly. I thought I was pessimistic when it came to all things Everton, but I fail to see how one person leaving will lead to us being relegated next season, we may end up lower than previous seasons but it would be an epic fall if we went from 6/7 to 18th or lower in a single season.
Ross Edwards
789 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:50:55
I will make a bold prediction, and Michael and Lyndon can hold me to it for all eternity, but Moyes WILL FAIL at Man U. and we will be a BETTER SIDE without DM.
Steve Carse
791 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:31:34
Phil 715, Cryin' Shames I believe. Great tune. Not an appropriate band name on this occasion though.
Brent Stephens
794 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:53:46
Jeez, Ross, you say that without even knowing who a replacement will be (if he goes). Bit silly that, isn't?
Andrew Ellams
795 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:54:57
Ross, CAN be a better side without Moyes IF the right decision is made on the replacement.

Although in typical Everton style, this could all fall through at the last minute even if it is an outgoing move and not an incoming one

Gary Poole
796 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:56:21
Ross Edwards - what a pathetic statement to make......
Brent Stephens
797 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:56:44
isn't it
James Marshall
800 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:57:12
This is entertaining:

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/everton/next-permanent-manager

John Gee
804 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:54:24
Peter (771), well spotted. I think this is the longest time I've ever watched TV in one sitting without switching over to Dave.
Paul Ferry
805 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:56:02
Erm Brent, just responding literally to Ryan's doom and gloom. Me? I'm confident that the new gaffer's first season will be tricky but I fully expect us to be near where we are now and, IF, one day more transfer sponds are made available, then I would expect us to move up.

In other words, Moyes, Martinez, whoever, at the end of the day future progress depends on who owns and runs the club.

Brent Stephens
806 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:58:23
I'd go for Jamie Carragher. A true blue. Honest guy. Won lots of things. No coincidence he's packing in now. A deal has been done.
Alex Mullan
807 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:56:39
Be interesting to see if we end up with a load of promising Man U 'rising stars' on loan next year, Welbeck / Sunderland style. Downside, he'll probably take a few crown jewels with him.
Chris Gould
808 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:51:02
Too many fans getting too much pleasure out of other fans pain. Shame on you.
Chris Jones [Burton]
809 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:00:48
The Indie is saying Manyoo want to confirm Moyes' appointment before the end of the week.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/sir-alex-ferguson-resigns-manchester-united-hope-to-appoint-david-Moyes-before-end-of-week-8607768.html

Harold Matthews
810 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:50:07
500 comments already. Good grief.

All the best DM. Good luck to your new academy boys, - especially the little ones.

Perhaps we will now get a proper midfield dynamo along the lines of Ya Ya Toure or Alonso. Gibson is only fit for the knackers yard.

Brent Stephens
811 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:00:20
Paul - "near where we are now". Now that's taking us forward! And I notice the availability of dosh becomes important.
Patrick Murphy
812 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:00:14
Jamie Caragher at 100 to one, no still not worth a pound! Looks like it will be Martinez according to the bookies.
Brent Stephens
813 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:02:19
Harold. Where's the money for the likes of Yaya etc?!
Alex Mullan
814 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:02:23
Harold Matthews - sure why not throw in Messi there as well. Turn on championship manager for the day mate.
Brent Stephens
815 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:03:32
Patrick, if Jamie is now only 100-1 from 300-1 it confirms my prediction. Nailed on, mate. He's our new manager.
Jason Heng
816 Posted 08/05/2013 at 16:59:55
Don't make sense. If Moyes is as poor as some people make him out to be, why is he favourite to succeed SAF?
Brent Stephens
817 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:05:01
Jason, that's because we fans know so much more than some others. Ha!
Paul Andrews
819 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:09:28
Truly shocked at this news.I honestly did not think this would ever happen.
If he`s gone I am happy,all the best to him.
Lets move on to the new manager,Steve Clark for me.
Paul Ferry
820 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:08:45
Bret - 811 - I've always time after time said (1) board/sponds are the key problem (2) that unless that is sorted out it will be hard for any gaffer to move up (3) Moyes makes some awful tactical decisions, selections, and formations and the buck must always stop with the gaffer foe what goes on on the pitch

So, what is your point mate?

Brian Denton
821 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:09:56
Harold (810) just out of interest, how do you know there has been 500 comments on this thread? Since TW introduced this stupid numbering system, I thought it was impossible to know how many posts were in a thread without physically counting them!
Andrew Rimmer
822 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:10:07
Jason. Same as if Moyes is so bad, why United, then why Martinez for us? Wigan fans will be pissing themselves too.
Brian Denton
823 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:12:06
Sorry - been on the piss. I see how it's done now.....
Andrew Ellams
824 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:12:24
Brian, it says at the top of the OP (525 right now)
Phil Bellis
825 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:00:26
We all know (or should) that for every Ferguson (and he got lucky!) there are half a dozen Mike Walkers
Just having a new manager is no guarantee of progress (or disintegration) but, faced with that challenge, what else can we do but support him and hope the numpties on the Board have the balls to do the same

Of course it's scary and we'll have mixed emotions - some divorces work, others invoke a lifetime of regret
I just hope that, somehow, we get lucky and pick up a modern Shankly or Clough rather than a football version of "Interesting" Steve Davis
We are Everton, aren't we? We go on

Brent Stephens
826 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:11:36
Sorry, Paul, if that's your position. Must be confusing you with another Paul!
Scott Hamilton
827 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:13:59
Does this signify the end of the "MOB" / "Apologist" incessant bickering on ToffeeWeb with all blues finally uniting behind the new manager or will the Judean People's Front / People's Front of Judea keep their differences alive for years to come?
Patrick Murphy
828 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:16:10
Not a word on the Official site not even in the tweets, it's all about last night's u21 game. Silence from Goodison once again speak volumes.
Tony McNulty
829 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:16:40
Jamie Carragher??? Only if he brings in Jimmy Tarbuck as his number two.
James Marshall
830 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:18:50
We all know Moyes is off, it's not exactly a secret.

Wigan will get relegated and lose the cup final, and we'll get Martinez who will spend the next 5 years struggling against finishing 15th like the old days.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Paul Andrews
831 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:18:27
Which Paul Brent ?
That Paul or this Paul ?
Patrick Murphy
832 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:18:49
Scott I hope it does mean the end of this silly need to belong to this or that group, but I fear it will continue for a good while yet.
Kevin Tully
833 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:20:03
Can't get excited about any manager who has just been relegated.
Kev Johnson
834 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:18:25
I do like the lingo associated with football. Managers (and players) are always "unveiled". I think they should literally do this. Get the press along and have the next Man Utd manager covered with a sheet from head to toe... then have a drumroll and... whip of the sheet, revealing the new manager. That would be quite entertaining.

I miss the days when managers "swooped" for players instead of just bought them. You can't beat a nice swoop.

Stuart Mitchell
835 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:21:09
via Twitter:

Sylvain Distin þ@sylvaind15tin 32s
Wish I could answer your questions but I don't know more than you guys... Nothing else to do but wait and see I guess

Scott Hamilton
837 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:20:58
Patrick (832) - I agree. As I typed I realised that it was in fact a rhetorical question! If Moyes does go, I challenge those on TW that fall clearly into those camps (we all know who they are) to put past differences behind them and skip hand-in-hand toward a new blue-tinged dawn...
Brian Waring
838 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:17:49
My other half is a Man U fan along with her dad and brother who are season ticket holders. Her brother is a member of the supporters club and he said his phone hasn't stopped since it was announced that Fergie was going and Moyes was favourite to replace him, he said the general consensus amongst lads he has spoke to is that Moyes is a good manager, but it's a big fucking no (his words) to him getting the job.
Joseph Foster
839 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:24:17
Come on David come out and say if your leaving or not
Anthony Flack
840 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:25:16
Kev 834

- for entirely inappropriate reasons your post with the sheet over their heads made me think of Suarez and Terry, holding burning crosses

Ray Roche
842 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:22:32
Kev, great idea. I am also scornful of the way clubs "eye" players or are "preparing a bid" or even "planning a swoop". What do they do? Sit around a table with those little models and long sticks like the WAAF girls did in the 2nd World War and push little models of Rooney, Serwerat etc. around the board.?
As for "eyeing", I've had the odd slap for doing that to some bird.
Chris Regan
845 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:21:39
Patrick #828, what do you expect from our club, they will have been caught with their pants down taking a dump. If they came out and said we xpect him to be here next year then that would be ok. The silence says it all.
Paul Ferry
846 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:27:17
Apology accepted Brent
Ray Jacques
847 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:14:56
Martin O'neill, Mark Hughes, Alan Curbishley, Mick Mc arthy, Neil Lennon, Phil Neville, Glenn Hoddle, Steve McLaren., Alex McLeish, Steve Round.

Thats as exciting as the list of candidates will be!!!!

Would add Big Sam and Steve Bruce if they werent in decent employment.

Paul Ferry
848 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:28:47
Brian - 838 - that's what I've been reading on Man-U board for the most part; Man-U fans would rather not have Moyes:

little Euro experience
little experience of handling big money transfers
the way his Everton play

Dan Brierley
849 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:24:19
So the expectation is for a manager to come in, and with an 800K average spend per season, break into the top 5 ahead of United, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea & City on a consistent basis.

I wonder if Paul Daniels is available?

Brent Stephens
850 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:28:19
Tony. Jamie with Tarby sounds even more attractive!
Paul Andrews
851 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:31:07
Ray Jacques,

It wont be any of them on your list

Jeremy Benson
852 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:30:46
I hope we get Steve Clark as a replacement. Or take a punt on laudrup. I pray it is not martinez.
Brent Stephens
854 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:32:52
Paul Andrews. Don't keep me in suspense. Who will it be?
Paul Andrews
855 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:38:21
No idea who it will be Brent.
I know who it wont be though
Paul David
856 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:36:58
If Moyes goes to Utd, who becomes the second longest serving manager in the leagues after Wenger?
Al Reddish
858 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:32:22
I wouldn't rule out Billy Bullshit appointing that Steve Kean twat form Blackburn as our next manager.
Brent Stephens
859 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:42:21
Paul, how do you know it won't be any of them? Why not any of them?
Jeremy Benson
861 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:42:15
Tony Pulis
Anthony Flack
862 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:43:45
I would have the fat waiter - without any hesitation

My old man posted this on another forum and was nearly lynched

Jeremy Benson
863 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:44:23
then its martinez, then mancini, laughably...
Kev Johnson
864 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:41:46
Paul - can you name all the people who it won't be then. Every single one of them. Then whoever is left is the one who it will be. To quote Sherlock Holmes: "When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." It might take you a while, obviously.
James Marshall
865 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:45:11
Benitez is a good manager, like it or not.
Patrick Murphy
867 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:43:29
Paul according to Wiki it is Pulis at Stoke who has been there since 2006 he joined them .(2008) in the PL
Brent Stephens
868 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:46:52
Kev, he'll end up eliminating all but my favourite - Jamie Carragher!
Paul Andrews
869 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:47:01
Brent, are you a gambling man ?

Brent Stephens
870 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:49:30
No, Paul, just a sense of humour. There's so much hilarious stuff on here I thought I'd join in.
Steve Pugh
871 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:46:30
As one of the most important things for a lot of Evertonians is winning the derby then I say that we need at least a British based manager, better a British born manager, better still a blue.

Stuart McCall, Reidy, Sheedy, Dunc,

Paul Ferry
874 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:49:36
So, Mancini gets the boot from Citeh, is on record saying he loves being in England, the biggest job to fill this summer will be at EFC as he won't get Chelski's hot seat.
Paul David
875 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:48:51
Patrick

I meant in all 4 leagues. I'm sure once Dario Gradi had retired the top 3 were Ferguson, Wenger then Moyes

Tony McNulty
877 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:49:26
Brent - don't leave out Tarby when you mention Carragher. He's the other half of the dream ticket.
Stephen Graham
878 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:46:29
Didn't Benitez say something like he was going to come back to Liverpool, and then when challenged on that with regards to the RS said something cryptic (everything he says is cryptic) like, no, not the Liverpool Football Club?

Or did I imagine it?

James Martin
879 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:51:23
Benitez would test this site to the limit. He's undoubtedly a winner but is even more defensive than Moyes and plays a horrible brand of kick and rush football wherever he goes. Would those who have apparentl ybeen bored of 11 years of hoofball change their tune if it was winning hoofball?
Paul Andrews
880 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:51:26
Ok Brent I see.
James Bourne
881 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:24:15
Ross and co - maybe before you start your celebrations you should wait and see who we get or you might end up looking like a bunch of right twats what with one of the biggest clubs in the world wanting our Moyes with all the faults you guys repeatedly belt out - possible the new guy won't be perefct - I for one feel it a sad day - IF it happens
Karl Masters
883 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:51:33
Slaven Bilic would be an interesting appointment I think.
Phil Bellis
885 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:50:02
Dan (849)
Never mind Paul Daniels

See if Derek Acorah can contact Brian Clough
Brent Stephens
887 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:52:18
Tony, Tarby actually makes it sound a bit more sensible. But could I have Doddy instead?
Anthony Flack
889 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:53:46
Karl - nice idea, too clever for Everton to come up with
Steve Pugh
891 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:50:51
Personally I'd go for Sheedy, he's done a great job with the kids, and he won't cost us anything. Any compensation for a new manager is less money for players
Stuart Mitchell
892 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:55:22
SSN are reporting that Moyes is having a meeting with Kenwright in London.

Looks like it is definitely happening then.

Brian Waring
894 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:53:11
James Bourne "One of the biggest clubs in the world wanting our Moyes" it's only the media who are pimping Moyes for the job at the moment James, not Man U.
Kev Johnson
895 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:51:27
I hope they announce the new Everton manager in reverse order, like they used to do for Miss World in 1974. Except it would be Mr Goodison 2013, clearly.

"In fourth place... Mr Wigan [polite applause]. In second place..." And so on and so forth. I'd like to know who nearly got it.

Joseph Foster
896 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:55:15
I wonder how quick we will be told of who replaces Moyes (if he leaves) . I bet it will not be in 48 hours. Probably one week before the start of next season
Kevin Tully
897 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:54:12
Sky Sports reporting meeting taking place in London between Moyes and Kenwright....hold on, breaking news, Moyes has just twatted Bill because he won't go Dutch....(only the first bit is true)
Davie Turner
898 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:57:28
Got a really strange feeling, that Moyes will be Everton manager next season, slightly disappointed, but then I thought of the names Hughes, McLaren and Martinez and figured it could be worse, but it still would be disappointing
Patrick Murphy
899 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:55:03
It's still Pulis with Paul Tisdale at Exeter City just behind him.
Paul Ferry
900 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:57:44
wonder what's going on in Kenwright's world today?
Paul David
901 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:59:01
Why in London?
Brian Waring
902 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:58:32
Thing is Joseph, if Moyes does end up at the Mancs, then surely this would have been in the pipeline for awhile, so you would think BK and Co would have been making plans of their own.
Brent Stephens
903 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:58:51
Kev, we could also have the dramatic, long pause once they've said "and the winner is................." yawns, puts kettle on while waiting. Tears once its announced (and that's only TWebbers).
Davie Turner
904 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:00:49
@Paul David (901)

Kenwright lives in London and Moyes is in the area to watch Chelsea play Spuds. SSN having been trying to make this link all day!

Paul David
905 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:00:17
Patrick

It still is Pulis, but then again he's not looking too safe at the minute. The one thing I think we're going to have to get used to is seeing a new manager every 18 months or so.

Brian Waring
906 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:01:38
Moyes is supposedly in London to watch Chelsea v Spurs Paul
Paul Andrews
907 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:02:26
Kevin 895,
That may take some time using your previously suggested process of elimination.
The stage would have to be a fair size as well
Patrick Murphy
908 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:01:36
Brian they've probably been making plans for Nigel (Clough) or (Worthington)? When you look at the people currently employed there is a real dearth of talent and nobody really jumps out, I once thought that Lee Clark would be a good choice but I'm not so sure since he's been with Birmingham. I think we may have to go abroad and try something different.
Brent Stephens
909 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:03:59
Jeez, 38 trophies won by SAF and somebody on here said it was mainly down to cheating and favouritism by officialdom!
Stu Smith
910 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:03:04
Mourinho. If he really wants to prove hes a great manager and wants to build a dynasty then we are an ideal club. People always say Mourinho only does well because he has money.
James Morgan
911 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:02:48
Can't be arsed reading nearly 600 comments, has anyone mentioned Big Dunc? I know that's a complete wild card but it would be fun at least!
I heard that Moyes might not even be in charge for the last two games so even if Dunc came in just for those it's be great to see the big man out there.
Realistically I wouldn't mind Bilic, Laudrup, Pellegrini or one of the top guys in Portugal.
Nick Entwistle
912 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:07:20
If Abramovic says no to Jo... then you never know... he could keep Everton happy for as long as it takes Moyes to get fired from Utd and then make the move.
Patrick Murphy
913 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:08:53
Stu if he really wanted to prove himself and if he has become bored with big-time charlies it would be fantastic to witness, but I can't see it happening.
Aidan Wade
914 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:38:30
If Moyes goes, our best chance of upsetting the top4 goes with him. The lack of respect his performance gets from some fans upsets me. As I said on another thread, he's holding us up, not down.

What really upsets me though is that when all the simple minded and miseducated are proved wrong about Moyes, I'll be too miserable at Everton's predicament to enjoy any "I-Told-You-So"s

If he goes I expect he'll take Baines with him.

Dan Brierley
916 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:05:10
Phil 885, I think we just go for Derek Acorah. He might be a shit manager, but his press conferences would be fucking hilarious if he gets possessed.
Brent Stephens
917 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:13:56
Dan, Derek Acorah doesn't do it for me. Medium at best.
Andy Parsons
918 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:11:06
If he's offered the job, I'd be amazed if he didn't take it. That said, I think it would be a disaster for him. Too many ego's, too big a pair of shoes to fill - how can you follow on from what Ferguson has achieved with expectations of the United fans who have just won the league? It's impossible. Moyes and Everton are perfect for each other. Moyes and United, not so in my opinion.
Brent Stephens
919 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:15:01
And another thing, Dan. He'd always be talking to the other side. And keep us all in the dark. And have all fans at GP holding hands.
Kevin Tully
920 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:15:02
Could all be smoke and mirrors this. Apparently this meeting with Kenwright was already pre-arranged.

We could all still be in for a major shock in the form of a special one!

Al Reddish
923 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:12:48
On the plus side, Osman has asked for a contract extension. (Really!)
Phil Friedman
924 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:20:17
Sky just said Moyes is in London meeting with Billy K. Would love to be a fly on the wall at that chat.
Steve Moore
925 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:59:25
Some on here really amaze me, Moyes is favourite for one of the biggest jobs in football and still some of you on here don't rate him. Get a grip, do you think it's pure luck? It will be a very sad day if/when Moyes leaves.

Football today is a money game and let's face it, Everton haven't got any. Moyes has been a miracle worker with Everton as far as I'm concerned and doesn't get the credit he deserves. I am dreading an Everton without Moyes as I see a swift return to relegation battles season after season... I hope I'm wrong, but as I've already said football is a money game and we haven't got any.

Some on here need a reality check from time to time: we aren't living in the 60s or 80s anymore, we are broke and it was only Moyes holding back the flood for the last 11 years. All doom and gloom as far as I'm concerned.

Dave Lynch
926 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:18:54
Achora could get in touch with the spirit of shankly for some guidance.

Ill get me coat...

Peter Thistle
927 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:38:08
Seems hard to believe that UTD would take a chance on a manger who was no experience of winning anything. They can do a lot better than Moyes.

If he does go it would be a worry that we might end up with someone worse than him, there aren't many decent managers in the game who would be interested in Everton. Slaven Bilic maybe, we shall see....

Wayne Smyth
928 Posted 08/05/2013 at 17:47:10
I could care less if Moyes goes or not. If he does I doubt he'll be a success, though I guess we'll all be able to finally put that debate to rest.

Part of me says that Moyes wont be picked simply because I think he's bottled it too often and he's a very negative, cautious manager, and I don't think the Man U fans will put up with it. On the flip side, I think Ferguson will undoubtedly have a say in his replacement, and I wouldn't be surprised if Moyes was his first choice.

Anyway, I'm more concerned about who we replace him with. I want a young, energetic manager with knowledge of foreign transfer markets, a belief in making use of the academy and the willingness to work within the clubs finances, rather than carp for more cash than we can afford.

What I don't want to see is an O Neill type. I'd be happy with Martinez or Laudrup or a foreign coach who is used to working with smaller budgets and still being able to keep their teams competitive against the big boys in La Liga or wherever.

Ross Edwards
929 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:25:56
James Bourne
Of course, if it is McClaren then we will all shut up, if it Rijkaard we will somersault around where we are.
BK meeting with DM. Get the Kleenex ready lads.
Phil Martin
930 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:25:56
Rumours of David Moyes wearing a red tie last week only add to the evidence that he's Old Trafford bound.

I'm a Moyes fan but I accept he has limitations. However I'm more concerned about Billy Bullshit's limitations and the prospect of him making the biggest decision (finding Moyes' successor) on our clubs future, since he tried to bungle us in the back of a van destined to Kirkby.

Karl Masters
933 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:29:22
Rikjaard?? hahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahhaahahhaahahhah
Dan Brierley
935 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:28:25
Derek Acorah could then hire Sokurah (from the seventh voyage of Sinbad) as his number two. And go and defeat the cyclops living on the island of Colossa. After the season has finished of course.
Richard Dodd
936 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:24:33
If that`s right,Phil Friedman,and Moyes is saying his goodbyes to BK ,we can expect that a eulogy is forthcoming which will ensure` not a dry eye in the house`.

Enough for him to say,really, `Good luck ,Davey,thank you for saving my arse!`

Chris Butler
938 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:24:57
While it's true stranger things have happened I think Moyes 2 fuck ups in the last 2 years may have cost him. Had we reached the FA cup final this year he's be the favourite but that didn't happen. Also his decision to essentially throw away a derby last season lost him a lot of supporters. He's only got to 1 cup final and we've been knocked out in Europe whenever we've played a decent side. I suspect they'll bring in Klopp he's took Dortmund to the champions league final and won trophies at Dortmund.
Lev Vellene
939 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:23:03
Ah, I really hope that's a 'cash for stuff, or else...' meeting that was reported with Bill K. I think anyone would think twice before trying to follow SAF in guiding United to even more glory. At least I'd let someone else take the blame first, then step in as a savior (well, I'm a pessimist with hopes for the opposite usually, so I've stayed with Everton since the mid-seventies... :P )

But I must admit I've always wanted to know what DM could do if he could choose his players without worrying too much about the price-tag. Some of his comments over the years have reflected this, after all.

On a more somber note, now that the nay-sayers may have their wish: Who would be available that is even better at collecting shoestrings into a big ball of no opposition???

Brian Waring
942 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:29:41
My other half just said (She's a Man U fan) "We need a manager who goes out and expects to win every game" Hmmm.........
Carl Sanderson
943 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:19:19
Ross:

"I will make a bold prediction, and Michael and Lyndon can hold me to it for all eternity, but Moyes WILL FAIL at Man U. and we will be a BETTER SIDE without DM."

That's not a "bold prediction"; it is cowardly, mean-spirited bullshit. After your post suggesting that Moyes had played down the derby in training I vowed not to respond to your shite comments but this latest gem suggests that your malice toward a decent man knows no bounds.

Now the biggest club in world football is hiring the manager that you want rid of. Win-win, eh?

Ross Edwards
944 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:32:53
Why not Karl?
Kevin Davies
945 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:27:46
Anyone know what odds I can get on Moyes still being our manager next season? I fancy a big bad ten quid on it.
Ray Said
946 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:29:57
Cant see Man Utd going for Moyes-their fans would revolt at some of the shite we have had to watch over the years. I cant imagine their players being impressed by Moyes prowling the touchline telling them how to take a throw in. If Moyes fails to sign a contract and does leave then I would like a Frank Rijkaard type appointment but fear it will be a Stuart McCall type appointment but then again with this board I suppose we would be lucky not to get Sam Alladyce
Jeremy Benson
947 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:33:15
I seem to remember Harry being absolute sock-on favourite to get the england job, and that never happened.

I'm starting to wonder if Moyes might still be everton boss come the summer. I will be a bit surprised if he is announced as new man u boss before the season is even over - that just doesn't fit for me, with the man.

Karl Masters
948 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:31:49
Kenwright making the decision fills me witrh dread. Last time he got his wife to decide on a recommendation from the bloke he'd just sacked!

ie he couldn't organise anything. I hope Moyes gives him a good tip and his wife isn't out shopping when the decisions get made IF Moyes is leaving!

Martin Farrington
951 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:36:25
Well the BBC news at 6 has announced Moyes as the successor to be unveiled tomorrow ! The BBC never get it wrong, apart from Jimmy Saville, Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris and many more
Chris Corn
952 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:32:16
Jim White is a little less excitable and the 'breaking' news of this pre arranged meeting is now downgraded to 'developing story'. Moyesys dress sense hasn't improved either by the looks of it either.
Ross Edwards
954 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:37:24
For Goodness Sake Carl. Just because your Davey has left there is no need to rant at me. Rant at Fergie or Moyes himself. It will probably take the likes of you and Doddy weeks to get over this shattering news.
I'll leave you to grieve alone...
Kristian Boyce
955 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:39:13
Bill's first choice to replace Walter Smith was Gary Megson. Excited to see his pick this time.
Paul Ferry
957 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:32:24
Funny old game eh? Remember who won the league in SAF's 1st season at Man-U? Highest paid Man-U player that year apparently picked up 115,000 quid for the whole year!

Not heard much on here about the other side of the coin, giving SAF some respect. Life-long left-winger, heart solidly still in Glasgow's dockyards, and, quite frankly (Mr. Shankly) the greatest footie gaffer of all time in Blighty at any rate.

Brian Waring
959 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:35:44
Carl, how do you know the biggest club in the world are about to hire Moyes?

Nick Entwistle
960 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:41:04
Phil Neville is still at the club! I wouldn't think he'd turn down the chance and gives good continuity. Whether he is more Moyes than Ferguson is another thing.

But if Moyes is to be announced - rather than unveiled tomorrow - does that mean he's absent for the last two games?

Ray Roche
961 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:42:46
I've read some crap on here but, please, I can't think of an example of an "ex Blue" who is available, qualified and good enough. So let's leave all the calls for Big Dunc, Sheady, and er...Megson out, eh?
Brent Stephens
962 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:44:39
Nick, did you mean Gary??
Kev Johnson
963 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:43:47
Could we not do a swap? They get Moyes and we get Ferguson. I bet there's a bit of life in the old dog yet.
Karl Masters
964 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:37:24
Ross. Rikjaard won't be coming to Everton.

Big budgets and prestige at a premier club in one of the most glamorous cities in Europe watched by 100,000 to Sell-to-buy transfer shenanigans by the Goodison Supper Bar in front of the most agressive Family Enclosure in the world?

I suppose it would seem like a footballing verasion of I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here to him, ie take the cash and run.

You need to set your sights a bit more realistically, and particularly important I think is a Manager who has something to prove on the way up, not one on the way down.

Colin Glassar
965 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:42:10
Riquelme has been seen buying shoes in Liverpool one. Could it be.......?
Martin Farrington
966 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:45:28
Jim Pearson's been around the club recently. My fivers on him.
Clive Lewis
967 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:32:37
Laudrup would be a good replacement not only becuase of the attractive football but becuase he buys well for next to nothing. Added to this that it is likely some will go with Moyes its only right we get some from the new manager. Michu would be good etc etc.
Dan Brierley
968 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:41:00
Where does all this horse shit about Gary Megson come from? Not to mention that Walter advised BK's wife regarding Moyes?

These were rumours made up on here, that have now rolled out as facts. And then regurgitated over and over again.

Ross Edwards
969 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:40:55
Carl
"That's not a "bold prediction"; it is cowardly, mean-spirited bullshit. After your post suggesting that Moyes had played down the derby in training I vowed not to respond to your shite comments but this latest gem suggests that your malice toward a decent man knows no bounds."
God, your treating my post like an incentive to murder the man. How is it mean spirited? You should control yourself Carl and stop taking things so seriously, don't shout at me because your no1 is leaving.
What will you rant at me for next?
Lev Vellene
970 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:45:02
Nick, as I understand it Man U have to give due notice to anything concerning economy, something about stocks or whatever (I didn't pay much attention, I'm sorry...). So they are not allowed to wait until after the season si over. SAF will be there, DM will be here for our games. The whoever will take control after the season has finished.
Andy Parsons
971 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:21:52
@591 I still laugh every time I read a post from somebody claiming that we should be achieving much more than we are, at the same time suggesting that both Baines and Fellaini (arguably our two best players) are available for sale. How one can happen with the other, I have no idea. If Moyes leaves, I'll be stunned if we are anywhere near 6th place this time next year.
Paul Ferry
972 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:48:11
Spot on Lee (970)
Pete Gunby
973 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:44:15
I've just finished my application. Coached my boys U-11 team to city championship (undefeated), currently an assistant on a U-15 club, watched lots of games, monitor TWeb daily, willing to do the job for half the money. References available. p.s. please don't let the wife know. Reckon i'm a shoe-in...quit job this morning in anticipation.
Nick Entwistle
976 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:47:53
We don't need a young man on the up, we need someone with the nous able to take a potless club on the tails of CL clubs and break the top 4. You know, what Moyes is slated for not doing.

So when that's the remit, its got to be a name like Ryjkaard or Bilic. That or we'll go back in the pack and like all the bottom 13 have the spectre of relegation over them at the start of each season.

Carl Sanderson
977 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:49:27
Brian 959:

I read the papers, listen to the radio, check the Internet. I'd say the circumstantial evidence is strong - wouldn't you?


Ross 969: I won't respond to any more of your pathological attention seeking. Over and out.

James Martin
982 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:53:55
I'd laugh if Round got it - I wouldn't really, it would be the most depressing news ever. Following the Barca model tho innit?
Nick Entwistle
983 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:52:15
Lev, but if no replacement is in place then how could they name him? That Fergie announces his end of season retirement doesn't mean Utd would be able to control outside factors and have the replacement ready to be announced right now.

They can wait that one out... even if Moyes is decided.

Ray Said
984 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:53:21
Although he would not be my 1ts, 2nd or 3rd choice, I thought that Lennon would be favourite if the blues job come up for grabs?
Steve Pugh
985 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:53:04
What makes any of you think we can afford to buy out the contracts of people like Laudrup
Clive Lewis
989 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:55:49
Would not surprise me one bit if Moyes and the other Scottish one had tapped up Phil Neville to succeed, that would be the final insult. It also seems rather convenient considering Baines, Fellaini have been terrible over the last months. I fear that it had been known for a while. I give up if Phil Neville is mentioned.
Andy Crooks
990 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:53:45
I've been disenchanted with Moyes for quite a few years and certainly don't fear his possible departure but he's been Everton manager for a long time and has represented the club with integrity so if he goes, and I still have doubts, I wish him the best of luck.

Pleas not Martinez, though, the man's default position is one of quiet desperation.

Clive Lewis
991 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:59:35
Steve, Laudrup is on a 1 year contract
Lev Vellene
992 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:56:43
Nick, Man U are required to let the world know if there is to be a change. So SAF (and their board) may well have a replacement in mind, but they are not allowed to wait too long to give shareholders/whatever due notice that SAF is going to step down, as this may very well have economical consequences. They don't have to reveal the replacement, however, just that the current set-up will change.
Patrick Murphy
993 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:56:06
I don't think they can wait it out Nick because any uncertainty which went beyond close of NYSE come Friday evening would lead to fluctuations in the share price, and that's the last thing the Glazer's will want, so whether it's Moyes or someone else I expect it to be signed sealed and announced by close of business tomorrow evening (NY time).

Scott Hamilton
994 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:43:43
Putting to one side the prospect of Moyes moving to Utd, the departure of SAF presents Evertonians and indeed all football fans with something perhaps even more interesting. Since the birth of "The Premiership" Man Utd has held an enviable stranglehold over the league. Other teams have taken the title but it's consistently been Utd that has either won or been thereabouts.

I'm not suggesting that they will now plummet like a stone but this could well be the most significant event in English football for 20 years. Maybe the installation of "Agent Moyes" or indeed "A N Other Manager" at OT will herald a more dynamic league with a greater number of teams vying for the title...?

Ross Edwards
998 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:02:46

"Ross 969: I won't respond to any more of your pathological attention seeking. Over and out."
Ok Carl, Roger that.
Dave Lynch
999 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:01:17
No way is it Klopp.
They will make an appointment tomorrow and with Klopp being in the CL final there is no way he will publicly ,take the man Utd job.
Patrick Murphy
000 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:03:24
I think Man U have decided that they are unwilling to continue to pay the wages that Chelsea or Man City are willing to pay and therefore will not be making marquee signings like they used to, that may in some part why they have plumped for David Moyes. If United do slip slightly it will just open the door wider to Chelsea with Mourinho in charge and Man City with endless resources.


Colin Glassar
001 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:05:09
Oh, and before you leave Moyes can you take Neville, Naismith and Round with you? Ta ta
Daniel Starkey
006 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:06:14
Moyes is now 1/20 with Betfred, odds like that make it seem impossible that he's not going to take over at United.
Brian Waring
008 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:01:56
Carl, sorry about that, I forgot the papers,bookies, radio etc never get anything wrong. As mentioned above, I also remember them all saying Redknapp had been given the England job, the bookies even stopped taking anymore bets on him getting the post, now, what happened there?
Nick Entwistle
009 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:05:37
I don't know, its been announced today so the fans can give a fair-well at OT and at the league trophy procession the next day. The announcement today has nothing to do with the NYSE... and by announcing today I can't see how naming a replacement needs to be done before the season is up because the manager is still in place until that time.

Of course I don't know - I'm just guessing here. You can announce a future retirement without knowing who the next incumbent is, that's all I'm saying.

Paul Holden
010 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:09:57
All the best Moysey - good luck at United (though not against the Blues)
Paul Ferry
011 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:09:51
Someone just said on 5-live that Moyes fits the bill coz he's the right age, similar mentality, 'and always plays attacking football'
Paul Ferry
012 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:11:37
You're talking crap Nick. I've been listening to IPR over here, and the New York Stock Exchange has hard and fast rules about disclosure. Man-U had to announce this in a defined time period. However, you are absolutely right about Sunday, so why not accept that both things are handily true? It's not rocket science.
Ross Edwards
013 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:13:16
Paul Ferry
That person is going to get a shock then...
Clive Lewis
014 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:15:47
the wally with the brolly , yes well who is going to listen to him Pete.
Lev Vellene
016 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:03:13
Scott (994): I remember when Man U were relegated, and then later trying to re-establish themselves at the top. SAF did that with their youth-team, sort of. But then he couldn't afford taking chances after a while, so they started buying the best if they could, and from then on youth development more or less stalled (in comparison to the start of their dominance, that is).

That same youth development was what I saw as the hope of EFC, actually. But DM has become more and more tied to his trusted (and increasingly older) players. That's a strength short-term, but it will only make not-really-tried talents leave the club because they never had the chance to develop by playing the top level opposition. Despite that, I would hope that DM could have mixed that loyalty with his ability to spot new talent (and give them a good chance), if he just had the room for it. Some very good players could let less experienced players have room for errors now and then, until they learned from it...

Paul Ferry
017 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:15:55
Yep Agent Edwards, funny how someone can have such a false image of this might be the last time I say this, our gaffer. Closer to the mark is he works round the clock from one game to the next, not playing the same style but matching his desired style to the next team we play. No bad thing, I suppose, except for what we have had to endure all too often.
Steve Pugh
018 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:16:52
Clive you are right, and it will cost a seven figure sum to get him out of it.
James Martin
020 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:18:22
If that were true Paul ferry then there'd be no complaints about the direness of the football would there because it would be different in every game depending on the opposition. The reality is he tried to implement a consistent way of playing based on the players he had that improved league consistency no end but fell short in the big games that a more streaky manager can sometimes nick.
John Audsley
021 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:12:01
Well

With SAF going it appears that either Moyes/Mourinho are the 2 clear choices

If Moyes does go then fair enough to me, ive grown tired of him to be honest and think both he and us need a change. His comments about beating the Shite not meaning anything were pathetic, he wont get away with that bollocks at Old Trafford

Mourinho is a proven winner on so many levels while Moyes pedigree is the polar opposite. I admire Davie very much for keeping us in the Top 6 with no fucking money from Kenwright and his twat cohorts but Man Utd boss............really

Barry Roberts
022 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:17:55


To those of you who spend their time moaning and whinging about DM as our manager; it looks like you are about to find out what life is like without him. Clearly none of you can remember just how bad it was before we got him. Careful what you wish for.
Ross Edwards
023 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:19:13
He'll have Howard Webb in his pocket though. That should make him happy.
Lev Vellene
025 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:22:35
Nick, Man U have not named a replacement, only the media are speculating (as is natural). All the club have done is to announce that SAF will retire after the season is over.

We all, and that pesky media, is doing all the speculation about the new MU manager... :P

Kevin Hudson
030 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:25:22
SkySports overdose now.

Anyone fancy a pint..?

Clive Lewis
031 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:27:33
Yes well wont we save a seven figure sum releasing Moyes??
Gary Reeves
033 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:24:53
Ross Edwards... So nothing was ever good pre-Moyes? That's a bit of a statement. Personally, I think it's time for him to move on and I look forward with excitement, not fear... We have some good players, it'll be okay.
Mat Fearon
037 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:14:55
Carl. Spot on. Ross seems to have some bizarre hatred for Moyes. At least he will have a chance to get over it now........and of course, those running man united have not got a clue about choosing a new manager have they? They have not spent months ensuring that this critical decision is the right one, have they? Or perhaps they just understand football and what it takes to be a great manager.
Eugene Ruane
039 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:29:57
Barry - http://www.carra-lucia-books.co.uk/images/articles/209.jpg
Barry Roberts
040 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:26:25
I am right though, our excitement at the end of a season, used to come from the fear of relegation. Now people on here moan about finishing top ten most years.
Steve Barr
042 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:23:28
Ones view of Moyes' ability is and has always been irrelevant. The point is that Moyes himself has decided to leave Everton. Surely this eventuality was a foregone conclusion, for whatever reason.

I've pointed out in earlier posts that any decent business must have a succession plan and be actively working on potential successors.

Clearly Man U has. Can we expect that Everton has?

If so they should have done their homework on potential successors, been courting them and be ready to secure their services now that the inevitable has happened.

What are the odds?

Jamie Barlow
047 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:30:01
I thought it sounded like one of your posts Paul. Complete with the usual name calling and obscenities.
Andrew McLean
048 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:35:47
Kevin (945) - Betfair, roughly offering 5/1
Ross Edwards
049 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:35:34
i know I will be shouted down but what about Frank de Boer?
Eugene Ruane
050 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:32:56
Barry (040), you're not 'right' - you have an opinion, just like everyone else.

No more or less valid so stop behaving like a fucking tart.

People don't moan BECAUSE we finish top 10, they moan for a million different reasons.

Well it's a forum, it's allowed.

Mark Frere
051 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:31:30
Why isn't Martinez being mentioned for the Man UTD vacancy if he's a better manager then Moyes , like most of the MOB suggest
Andrew McLean
052 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:36:22
That's 5/1 not to take the Man U job sorry
Paul Ferry
053 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:38:08
Grow up Jamie and take your ball home with you
Andy Walker
054 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:25:59
Moyes goes and our club is at MASSIVE risk. We will appoint a manager and we will NOT know if he will deliver, yet the club will have to back him with money it doesn't have in the hope he will be a success.

Odds are he will not perform as well as Moyes, although there is a slim chance he could do better. So many people have said that its a risk worth taking, news for you guys, you should NEVER take a risk unless you can deal with the fall out if the risk backfires. Unfortunately we can not afford for the risk to back fire, we haven't the money to recover from an underperforming new manager. The consequences are potential relegation and lower league oblivion.

Sounds over the top? Absolutely not. You can not take a risk with money you can not afford to loose, yet this will be the rock and a hard place the club will find itself in if Moyes leaves. Like it or not Moyes was a safe pair of hands, he eliminated the financial risk to he club which has helped us get to where we are now, and no doubt provided the comfort the creditors liked and required. Do u think third parties are going to be as happy to lend money for a new untested manager to spend in the same way they would for Moyes? Of course not. Mark my words we could now be in really deep shit.

Brian Waring
055 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:36:50
Oh FFS, not the 'Careful what you wish for' line, you'll be telling us next that without Moyes we'll be relegated.
Jamie Barlow
056 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:39:11
Grow up? Ha ha.
Barry Roberts
057 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:32:29
Paul Ferry (35) Unless you know better, and you clearly feel that you do, Moyes hasn't gone yet!

The moment for that statement is erm, when it happens, not today.

How can you say that the whingers have "EFC in their hearts" when they are deluded enough to think Moyes did a poor job?

Brian Waring
058 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:39:32
Andy, wasn't appointing an untried championship manager a risk?
Steve Pugh
059 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:39:08
Clive, again you are right, but you are looking several months into the future, odds are Swansea will want the money up front so that they can fund Laudrups replacement
Eugene Ruane
060 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:39:57
Andy (054) - "news for you guys, you should NEVER take a risk unless you can deal with the fall out if the risk backfires. Unfortunately we can not afford for the risk to back fire, we haven't the money to recover from an underperforming new manager. The consequences are potential relegation and lower league oblivion"

Erm...didn't we take a risk 11 years ago?

According to your logic, it worked wonderfully.

Ross Edwards
062 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:40:42
"Why isn't Martinez being mentioned for the Man UTD vacancy if he's a better manager then Moyes , like most of the MOB suggest "
Mark, Moyes iis only linked because he is good mates with Fergie. One Scot helps another don't they...
Paul Ferry
063 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:41:21
Barry (057):

Paul Ferry (35) Unless you know better, and you clearly feel that you do, Moyes hasn't gone yet!

He has gone get over it and deal with it.

The moment for that statement is erm, when it happens, not today

It is today get over it and deal with it

How can you say that the whingers have "EFC in their hearts" when they are deluded enough to think Moyes did a poor job?

What an utterly absurd statement; critics of Moyes do not have EFC in their hearts.

And Jamie (056) yes, grow up

Paul David
065 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:41:10
Andy

If we are left without a manager it won't be because people like me are sick if him, it will be because Moyes himself has decided to go. Another words the club won't be taking a risk, the risk has been forced apon us.

Ross Edwards
066 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:44:43
I love the club Barry, I just don't like Moyes. This isn't Moyes FC you know.
Lev Vellene
067 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:39:35
Brian (055): Before he came, we all half expected us to be relegated at at any time. Of course, it could have had nothing to do with him that we stayed up after that. And the players he's brought in may keep us up there for a few years, and some better strategic may make them win even more (or even get some cash!...)! But who? That is my one complaint to the anti-Moyes people. I'm not pro-Moyes, as such, but the only time I saw a manager I thought could step in was when all thought Moyes would be leaving and O'Neill was available, whenever that was. And he's not won the league with his underdogs since then, anyway... :P
Barry Roberts
069 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:40:53
Eugene (50) The fact still remains that we are in a much better position now than before Moyes. The whingers, on here, should know better.

I'm entitled to my opinion because after all its a forum i'm allowed!

Brian Hennessy
070 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:49:13
What price on Baines being Moyes's first signing at Man Utd?
Andy Walker
071 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:42:31
Brian, that was 11 years ago, the money involved and required to compete was not remotely of the same magnitude as it is now, and as a consequence the risk was much less then. EPL lending has been geared massively over recent years as it has to be in order for clubs to challenge, for example just think how players wages have increased over the past 11 years. The financial risk is massively higher now, that's simply fact.
Clubs must take much greater risks nowadays. Think what the impact on our clubs credit rating will be if Moyes leaves.
Ged Simpson
072 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:38:43
Well I am absolutely split now. Half of me is excited about possibilities and half dreading the mess the Board are likely to make and the shell of a side we will be left with next season.

But what I do know is that trawling over the tired ToffeeWeb MOB/IMWT argument seems pointless now.

How about start a "? OUT !" and "IN ? WE TRUST" row now so we can hit the ground running ?

Michael McCarthy
076 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:51:09
Put your money on Kenny Jacket. To David Moyes, thank you and good luck, a brave man.
Kev Johnson
077 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:51:17
Barry - you are indeed entitled to your opinion. There are some on here who would agree with you, too. Others disagree. The point is: you're out of order coming on here calling people knobheads because they don't think the same way that you do. That's not the way to go, mate.
Ross Edwards
078 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:51:56
I think it will depend on who actually gets the job. If it is a disastrous appointment, then we can fear but if it is good, then the Doom Squad will be proved wrong.
Paul Andrews
079 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:53:57
Andy Walker,

can you explain how Moyes "eliminated the financial risk to the club " please

Ed Fitzgerald
080 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:42:46
I am unfazed about Moyes going it was always going to happen and I think for a younger generation of Evertonians he has represented stability following some fairly dreadful years. Despite his statements about the peoples club he never really understood the psyche of older Evertonians in my opinion. I see some on here have concluded they feel he was a better manager than Kendall which is lunancy. Yes, football is different it is always evolving and always has been. Liverpool were as dominant as Man U in the 70s and Kendall helped break that for a short time, I think we could have given Moyes lots of cash and he would never have changed that. I wish him well although I think the job is a poison chalice. Despite Wigan likely to be relegated I think Martinez's acheivement of keeping them up and playing attractive football is equally impressive as Moyes tenure at Everton. It is a chance all appointments are, but I think a Martinez side might have more in common with Everton traditions of the past ie. pre 1990s than any side David Moyes might assemble. I know Martinez has not won anything but neither has Moyes.
Mark Frere
081 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:43:33
Ross Edwards 049

I won't shout you down on that one, Frank De Boer has already won 3 dutch titles with Ajax as their manager and thats only in 3 years. He must have a good understanding of developing youth also, because he came through the youth ranks at Ajax which is just about the best youth academy in the world. A more worthy contender then Martinez in my book

Andy Walker
083 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:50:41
Eugene, see my previous post. You are comparing chalk and cheese, the capital requirements to run a successful club are much greater now. Giving Moyes £10m 11 years ago would have been a serious sum. Giving a new manager £10m now is a relative pittance. The finances have been GEARED by the necessity to compete in a football market which has inflated enormously over the past 11 years, hence the funding risk for the club is now MASSIVE.
Ged Simpson
084 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:55:13
Are people just doom merchants regardless. Even if Moyes goes, are they still going to be full of doom. I reckon they may be - I used to have a very loud one behind me at Goodison. In the end whatever we did it mattered not - he was just a miserable twat. Sorry - a miserable citizen entitled to his misery.
Ross Edwards
085 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:54:59
Kenny Jackett... I assume when he left Millwall he told the chairman "I'm leaving so I'll get my coat"
Paul Ferry
086 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:51:01
Ha ha Ged - 072 - you're spot on but don't forget, as Barry reminds us very smartly, he aint gone yet. Also, give us all a day or two to get frantic about today. Totally agree about feeling 'absolutely split', this is a major moment for us (has anyone on the media said so today?) and whatever anyone feels about Moyes's credit and debit balance, 11 years is probably time for change whoever is in the hot seat - unless you are SAF!!!!!!

Nervy times though.

Laudrup oh Laudrup. but won't happen right?

I wish a cross-section of season-ticket holders could be in charge of picking the next gaffer rather than Dickie Dahling and his cronies.

Well Oscar just scored, is the dream still on!!!!!!

Ross Edwards
087 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:59:57
What does everyone else think abouthaving Frank de Boer?
Ged Simpson
088 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:01:07
I lean towards time for change too Paul and also dream of Laudrup - if you know what I mean
Kev Johnson
089 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:59:22
Ged - I think you know the answer to that. Yes. Just like some people prefer to think everything in the garden is rosy. Let's not forget: optimists are just as biased as pessimists!
Clive Lewis
091 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:58:37
Steve new TV deal money would pay for Laudrup, also If you are suggesting we are going to get a manager out of contract forget it. Its only dogs and managers that intentionally run down the contract becuase of a gentlemans handshake.
Lev Vellene
092 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:54:47
Ross (078): Whatever NEW happens will be a disaster to some faction. But although I'd like to see some people choking on their words, I want our club to stay up there where we belong! And as I'm a pessimist, I still want to know who we have lined up to take DM's place??? I know I'd jump the bandwagon just for the chance to prove my own theories, but will he? Knowing the fall he'll likely take? Would I, actually, knowing I had to live with the ridicule if I failed???

But more importantly: WHO? Or to re-phrase it: WHO but Guardiola, Mourinho, God etc would EFC-fans expect/want for our next manager? In the case of the first three on the list, never mind money, it will be God's will anyway... ;P

Ged Simpson
093 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:02:37
Sod off you miserable twat Kev 089
Paul Ferry
094 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:02:45
Is Doddy doing okay, has anyone checked?
Andy Walker
095 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:57:47
Paul he eliminated the financial risk by ensuring we staying in the PL finished generally in the top 6 so avoided relegation and generated income to service debt. The financial risk I refer to is that associated with being relegated and being considered a poor risk for lenders.
I do not believe we would ever have been relegated under Moyes, I
and I suspect creditors and future lenders would take a similar view and hence they would be prepared to agree sensible debt finance and future funding terms if he stays in charge. He goes and its a different ball game, and the relegatio risk I refer to is then on the table when it wasn't previously.
Ged Simpson
096 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:03:54
It was a joke Kev
Ged Simpson
097 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:03:54
It was a joke Kev
Dan Brierley
099 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:51:32
I would love to be split 50-50 Ged! I don't see us getting relegated, but unless we have a manager able to deliver in the first season, our finances will get impacted via league placings meaning a wage bill cut (selling players). Then our decent players remaining will think 'I am off this sinking ship'. The decline could be similar to what happened when Villa decided to stop supporting O' Neil. Slow and painful.

BUT on the other hand, we might get a manager than can break into the top four while those teams above us are spending money left right and centre, and we spend a pittance. Even though nobody has managed to come close to ever doing that in recent history (ironically except for Moyes).

Colin Kelly
100 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:00:12
Moyes has know about this business with Fergie retiring since ages ago — that's why he has not put pen to paper.

Losing him to the Mancs is no big hardship — it's him coming back to take Fellaini and Baines... that's what I won't be able to stomach.

Kev Johnson
101 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:06:39
I know, Ged. Ha-ha! No probs.
Mike Hughes
102 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:58:05
I've just been listening to Dave Whelan talking on R5L.

He suggested that EFC may not be a big enough club for Martinez as we're not a top European power.

Whatever happens, I hope we're not underwhelmed by the new manager as in HK Mk III. However, I've a funny feeling we all will be.


Derek Williams
104 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:50:35
He's been fantastic.

He's not only kept us in the Prem and free from relegation worries, he's somehow got us in and around the top six.

He's signed players like Bainesy, Lescott, Jags, Seamus and more for peanuts and turned them into top Premiership and international footballers. He's wheeled and dealed with his hands tied and no cards up his sleeve. If he does go to the top club in England he'll go with my thanks and blessing and I have no doubt at all he'll keep Man U where they are, miles ahead of the RS (thankfully).

I have grave concerns for us going forward however!!

Ross Edwards
106 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:04:27
Well Paul, me and Marshy went to speak to him, not good. Taken it very hard. But, then again we did sing Celebration at him and folowed it up with Tragedy.
Lev Vellene
107 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:03:30
And Yes, I'm an atheist, but it seems we really want someone able to deliver fishes and bread, without the backing that today's competitive world expects... :)
Paul Ferry
108 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:08:55
You did all you could do Agent Edwards, the rest is up to him
Eugene Ruane
109 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:04:55
Ed Fitzgerald (080) I think you're absulutely spot on.

There was a 28 year old United supporter interviewed on Talksport earlier.

He was two when Fergie arrived and has never known anything else.

When asked his thoughts, he started crying.

(honestly - you can hear it on their site).

It was very North Korea - "great leader gone, never known nuffink else mate, know what a mean?...Sniffle"

The reason I mention it is that there are one or two on here getting close to this sort of nonsense.

Moyes is a decent man and a decent manager.

How good?

Subjective, we all have our opinions.

My point though is he's NOT Everton FC.

For many younger supporters this may be a bigger deal than for those of us who have seen Everton managers (good/bad) come and go.

But let's pack in the L.Ron Moyes cult nonsense.

If he goes it's for ONE reason - because he sees something better for David Moyes.

That's it, nothing else.

I'll wish the man well when (IF?) he goes to Utd but that's it.

It's ALL about Everton and we should NEVER lose sight of that.

David Moyes is an Everton manager, NOT an Evertonian - there's a difference.

Brian Hennessy
110 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:09:12
Martin O'Neill for Everton.... anyone?
Ian Hollingworth
111 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:06:49
Over to you Billy Boy. Time to take centre stage again but this time we do not want glorious tales of the good old days.
This time we need you to make a huge decision that will affect thousands of us for years to come.

When the dust settles on this story it may well be that Billy Boy has been party to this all along as part of his love in for Davey. If so then he should have had plenty of time to make the right choices for Everton FC going forward.

We now have days of worry as not many will trust Billy Boy to make the right decisions.

Oh yes our loveable blue, you are well and truly in the spotlight now, the stage is yours.

Garry Corgan
112 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:08:04
If, as looks likely, Moyes does go, I fear that our board will seek to put someone in his place that is:

A) Cheap
B) Happy to work within awful financial constraints

While both of the above are understandable, it would be nice to get I a manager that would challenge the board with regard to their ambitions, business practices and transfer budget - a "yes man" if you will. I therefore fear that we'll appoint someone that's just happy to be there and take a wage rather that someone who'll fight to push the club forward.

Paul Ferry
113 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:10:20
Moyes looking happy at the bridge, 2 smiles in 10 seconds I swear. He must have had some good news today and i'm not talking Amazon delvered his Billy joel box-set today.

Wow, what a goal from Adepbayour, Adebayour, Adibiya, oh fuck it

Garry Corgan
114 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:12:33
Hi Eugene (109) - I think that's a little harsh on Moyes. If you spend ten years in any job I think you become part of the fabric of the place. You build things and have plans for a future there.

I'm sure it will be somewhat of a wrench for Moyes personally to leave, but in life we all need a change of scenery sometimes.

Being such of a part of the make-up of what Everton is right now, I think it will be a difficult divorce for all concerned (or at least most of us.)

Paul Andrews
116 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:12:59
Andy Walker,

Thanks. So you believe ANY manager we bring in will lose the banks confidence as we will more than likely be relegated ?

Ray Griffin
117 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:13:25
Kenny Jackett is definitely in the frame, mainly cos he meets big bill's main requirement - he won't have to pay any compensation for him.... and there's no way he quit Millwall cos "it was time for a change for Millwall", more like time for him to get a better paid job
Ross Edwards
118 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:16:07
Owen Coyle is on 5live and just described Moyes as a winner!
Mike Gwyer
126 Posted 08/05/2013 at 19:41:18

Sad day for Everton.

However we shall soon see what Moyes can do - but for me he will no longer have to worry about legit goals being fucked off by the man in black. "Fergie" time will become "Moyes" time. Moyes will suddenly understand how players get given penalties and why Premier league referees give a penalty. His strikers will not go 18 games without scoring as they will be replaced with a 30 mil striker who can score goals. Moyes will also say that Goodison Park is a tough place to go but usually go home with 3 points.

Cracking.


Lev Vellene
127 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:15:32
Garry (112): Did I read that wrong? A 'Yes-man', where I come from, is someone always agreeing with the boss/company, not his fellows? Anyway:

DM's got the right to bully his chairman/board by now, as I see it. If they don't want to, or can't help but cringe in embarrassment, then go see the world! I'd like him to stay, though! With a big budget! Sooo, as I'm a pessimist anyway..., want to buy a map, DM???... :P

Andy Walker
128 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:14:57
Can you imagine we appoint someone like Mark Hughes. Can you imagine the club going to its lenders to try to secure an additional say £15m on the overdraft for Hughes to spend? 'No chance Bill, look at the guys past record'
We'll being going to Wonga as a lender of last resort if we're not careful.
For a club in our indebted state it's imperative that a manager with a proven track record and credibility with the financiers is appointed, but what's the chance of that when such credible candidates know we would still not be able to raise enough money to be truly competitive and so would never agree to manage us.
This does feel like the beginning of the end to me as far as being a top PL team. I really hope I'm wrong but I fear the worse.
Ian Linn
129 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:23:23
You know I just can see Moyes going to Utd. - it might be the bookies favorite but that means fuck all.

I think Marinio will go to Utd, Moyes may well end up at Chelski.

Paul Ferry
130 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:21:11
Wolves Ray - 117 - not us mate

Ramirez 2-1 - 38th

Ian Linn
131 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:25:02
Get in Ramires
Ian Linn
132 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:25:54
BREAKING NEWS
David Moyes is set to be appointed as Sir Alex Ferguson's successor at Manchester United.

An announcement could be made tomorrow afternoon.


Above just posted on BBC

Ross Edwards
133 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:26:03
Breaking News on BBC Sport: DM set to be appointed Man U manager.
Peter Laing
134 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:25:35
On the Red Echo website that Moyes will be confirmed as the Manchester United manager tomorrow, he spent the afternoon in West London with Bill Kenwright and is at the Chelsea v Spurs game tonight.
David Hallwood
135 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:21:16
Just been on to Man U fan site and they are unanimously opposed to Moyes, so as one poster said it might be a Roy Hodgson job.

BTW did you hear Beckham's interview: "I was privileged to meet Sir Matt before he passed away" Well you couod hardly have met him afterwards now could you-you squeaky voiced little gobshite

Iain Thomson
136 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:26:37
Moyes will do ok there as its hard not to..but I don't think ok will cut it...Im scared that Phil Neville will get it..cheap option...I will sob if that occurs
James Flynn
137 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:21:21
Andy (095) - I hear you, but we're flat not a relegation Side. Even with Moyes, Fella and Baines gone, I'd be shocked Everton suddenly becomes relegation-fodder.

The team's too good for that, whoever comes in next. 10th-11ish I anticipate unless Kenright and them trip and fall over another great manager. But not relegation.

Ross Edwards
138 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:27:39
BBC Sport reporting that announcement could be made tommorrow.
Simon Spencer
139 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:27:26
Moyes: "United have come in for me and have said I can have £50 million to spend in the transfer market. What can you offer me?"
Bill Kenwright: "Erm, tickets to Blood Brothers..."
Stu Smith
140 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:25:23
Who is the current Bayern Manager?
Ross Edwards
142 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:29:30
Beckham was on loan at Preston then. I doubt Busby knew who he was.
Garry Corgan
143 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:26:43
Lev 127 - maybe you misread or maybe I just didn't explain myself very well.

I believe BK and the board will appoint a yes man who won't challenge them with regards to budgets and off-the-field issues. I believe that may rule out ambitious, positive managers such as Martinez, Poyet etc.

I find it much more likely we'll get a Kenny Jacket or Malky McKay character who, at least in the short term, will just be happy with the step up top club.

Having said, it's really impossible to predict what any new manager will do or how successful they'll be.

Paul Andrews
144 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:26:30
Banks are lending money on personality now?
You will have to send me that banks details Andy.
Ray Said
145 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:28:37
If Moyes is appointed I expect the Man Utd share price to plummet. After 1 year of Moyes I expect the share price to be in the cellar. The only reason SAF would recommend Moyes is so that his record looks even better by compassion.
Imagine the boardroom talk
'Right we can go for the living legend that is Jose or this Moyes feller? Lets have a look at the record-yes its Moyes for us!! Madness

Moyes would only have one striker in the team and one on the bench- so two from Rooney, V Persie, Welbeck and Hernandez. He would want to buy at least 3 additional right backs-can never have too many right backs you know. He would love Smalling and Jones as he could play them in midfield and make his right back quota which is at least 3 right backs on the pitch at any one time

John Gee
146 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:30:09
Can someone make their way over to the tallest building in West London, Bill might need talking down.
Eugene Ruane
147 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:18:24
Garry (114) - Harsh?

In what regard?

I don't dispute for a second after 10/11 years he won't have some emotional attachment but he is a professional and will leave for EXACTLY the reason/s I stated - ie: He has the chance of something he believes is better for him.

Nothing at all wrong with it, but...it IS a fact.

Plus it honestly WON'T be difficult for me as once he's gone, he (for me) becomes simply an employee of another club (nb: a club that's NOT Everton).

Maybe it's my age - I was brought up during a less sentimental time.

An era of no man-hugging, no crying, no 'feminine side' and no 'opening up'.

As Rigsby once said "When you scored in my day all you got was a firm handshake....these days you get covered in love-bites"

Mick Fleming
148 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:32:36
Iain (136) - I said that earlier about Neville, wouldn't put it past BK if Moyes does go.
Lev Vellene
149 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:29:30
We've survived worse, only Arsenal's stayed up longer anyway... But if this happens I'll get behind the nay-sayers' choice (not they'll have one anyway), but whoever they are so lucky to get in place of Moyes would have my support anyway. Sure it's not that Italian fascist or whatever??? At least I could keep my mouth shut as we survived... Almost! :P
Andy Walker
151 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:31:01
James I do not necessarily think it could happen next season, but I expect we will finish lower and the rot could set in. The finances of our club are so dire we have to finish top 6 to keep the income coming in and also help to attract the better players who hope we might just get top 4. If we don't achieve this sort of evel for a couple of seasons it's a downward spiral potentially.
Jimmy Sørheim
152 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:06:44
I see things going like this: Mourinho to Chelsea. Wenger staying out his contract. And Moyes will take a temporary role at Man Utd under the guidance of Ferguson.

Now, where does that leave us?

I see Bilic as a good manager for Everton, but Bill Kenwright WILL make the wrong choice and probably hire Martinez.

I have no faith in Bill to do what is best for Everton, and therein lies the problem.

I have a feeling that Moyes has been planning with Ferguson for a while now to take over, thus the reason why Moyes has not signed a new contract.

I fear for Everton and next season if Bill ends up picking the wrong manager, he has to take the advice of Moyes for a new manager and so I feel it stands between Martinez and Lennon because Moyes respects them.

I feel the worst of the two is Martinez, though I think Lennon is an average manager in PL standards. My nightmare would be to see Mark Hughes, Gary Megson or some other below-average manager.

We are in for a nail-biting time in my view. Fellaini will be gone for sure, and even perhaps Baines if the next manager ends up being one without a backbone.

Simon Spencer
153 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:30:23
On the assumption that Moyes is off isn't anyone worried about what will happen next season. Personally I would have given him an ultimatum after wigan sign or be sacked.....he was acting as if he was greater than the club. I would have liked a new man to have the ability to plan for pre season and take last few games to see who he like / wants to keep. Perhaps he was given heads up at start of the year. But that aside realistically who is available and who would want to come actually going to move us forward?
Paul Mackie
154 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:35:34
Well,congratulations Moyes haters. Looks like you're all finally going to get your wish. I look forward to our relegation battle with Martinez at the helm next season.

Way more exciting than dithering, dour Davey though right lads?

Ray Griffin
155 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:32:19
A bit tongue-in-cheek Paul re. Mr Jackett, more a pop at BK's way of thinking.

If Tony Pulis is in the frame I think I'll bring my missus shopping on Sat. afternoons

Wayne Smyth
157 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:24:05
Garry, do you seriously think that Moyes is operating within awful financial constraints? Really?

We're probably about 10th in the league in terms of financial turnover, and Moyes gets about 75% of that to work with, to spend on salaries or transfer fees. He has us performing a few places higher than our finances would suggest, but that's only worth a couple of million to the club and 7th or 10th doesn't matter in any tangible sense to anyone who is rational(unlike winning a trophy or qualifying for europe).

Personally I don't expect us to finish 6th or wherever. I'd rather we focus on the long-term health of the club, and if we finish mid-table then thats ok. I'm more concerned that we're taking on more debt each season to try to push for a CL place, and our squad seems to be ageing with no younger players being given a reasonable chance.

Who knows if the next manager will be better or worse than DM? One thing I do know is that DM's plan to take the club forward built on debt while chasing the magical european qualification, is one that Leeds fans might be able to tell us some stories about.

Colin Glassar
158 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:38:45
Congrats Moyes. If you take Round, Neville and Naismith with you I'll personally build you a statue outside of GP.

P.S. don't be so pessimistic Paul. Martinez will be great for us.

Chris Gould
160 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:29:52
James 137: I bet Newcastle were shocked that they are in a relegation battle after last season, but they are none the same. All it takes is a little slip in standards and you slide in this league. It's why most teams change managers every 18 months. Anyone that has managed over five years in a premier league team has done fantastically well. To go eleven is incredible. The next manager will struggle and be gone within 18 months and all those who have been baying for Moyes's head will make lame excuses about the board not choosing the right guy. Even if the unthinkable happened and we were relegated, I doubt that they will admit that they were wrong and that we had the right guy--and lost him. I for one and deeply saddened.
Lev Vellene
165 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:40:56
Nah, I'm sort of in line with Paul (154) anyway. These last ten years or so, I haven't had to worry about us gracing the Championship, just grumbling about us not being good enough to qualify for Europe every now and then, let alone on a regular basis...
Paul Ferry
166 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:39:55
Paul Mackie - 154 - Dear Lord, talk about scraping a deep deep barrel. Worth repeating:

'Well,congratulations Moyes haters. Looks like you're all finally going to get your wish. I look forward to our relegation battle with Martinez at the helm next season'

Pathetic recycled meaningless doggerel.

Hey the tables are turning, it's Mackie and the lads who are looking forward to relegation battles and predicting doom and gloom. Bless.

Get behind the next gaffer!!!!

Oh you Moyes lovers you just want the EFC manager to fail, don't you?

Andy Walker
167 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:36:15
Paul banks absolutely lend on personality, or to be precise the achievements of the guy in charge. It happens in every business, the guy in charge creates the wealth in the business, if you want an example just look at Tescos performance under Philip Clarke compared to Terry Leahy, about £6billion wiped of the value of the business since he took over and made mistakes which he's admitted. This will have impacted on their credit rating.
The manager creates the wealth in a football club like Everton. Pick a bad one and we're financially fooked.
David Hallwood
168 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:44:53
Moyes 1/20 on Skybet to get the Man U job
Richard Reeves
169 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:03:31
Ross,

De Boer would be a good choice in my opinion. I would also be happy with Klop, Rikjaard or Laudrup but, If Moyes does go, I think Martinez will be Number One choice with the Board. Part of the reason for this is that he has come from a small club and has worked on a small budget and at the moment he isn't really big time (if you know what I mean).

I don't think this Board would be able to control one of my preferred choices. I would give Martinez a chance but he would be lower down the list for me.

Ian Linn
170 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:47:09
Don;t forget ol' Whiskey nose ain't going to be too far away - he'll still be pulling as lot of strings.
Graham Mockford
171 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:35:35
Tomorrow could be a very sad and momentous day, the end of the MOB. I for one have felt he has taken us a far as we can go however any replacement comes with risk of decline.
One thing it has shown is that all those who came on here and stated that no big team would ever come in for him are likely to be eating their words as they don't come much bigger than Man Utd.
I wish him well but the club goes on, the time has come for a bold and progressive choice not a safe one. My pick would be Holloway. Don't laugh behind the bumbling West Country persona lies a shrewd football brain who builds teams and has a good record everywhere he has been.
Paul Mackie
172 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:45:44
Colin - Don't be so pessimistic? What manager is going to come to a club with a net spend of around £500k a season? A club where the fans view 6th place as a dismal failure?

Do you really think that Kenwright and his cronies have any kind of backup plan in place at all? They'll be rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of appointing a new manager on August 31st so that they don't have to spend any transfer cash.

Patrick Murphy
173 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:39:36
How the media barrage has worked wonders on some Evertonian's this club is a big club and as such it has survived for all these years through thick and thin, Moyes didn't work for nothing he got paid good wages as do most of our players. Honestly you would think we were Marine and that David Moyes had somehow brought us through the leagues and attained our place in the top flight.

Nobody I know Hates David Moyes either as a person or as a manager, many may dislike aspects of him, some question his methods but nobody hates him.

We have been in worse situations than this and come through it, we will come through this as well, it was inevitable that David Moyes would leave the club at some point and now it looks as if it will be sooner rather than later.

He was never hounded out by the fans, he may not have enjoyed the love of the fans like Royle or Kendall but he was never hounded out and most of the people I know respected him rather than loved him.

We don't know what the future holds, we don't know how we will play under a new manager, but to be so fatalistic and believe it to be the death knell of the club is plain hyperbole of the highest order.

Good luck to David Moyes in his future career but the most important thing is the next manager of Everton FC and what he produces both in style and results. COYB

Mick Fleming
174 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:38:46
Paul (154) and when that happens its all the Moyes haters fault is it? Don't be daft lad you sound like an upset child, I am no lover of Moyes by the way but would wish him all the best if he leaves. I see this situation, plus the shareholders announcement, as the catalyst for much needed and long overdue change. BK has lost his shield so hopefully things may change on the board front as well. If things don't work out though its all the Moyes haters fault according to you, come on Paul for fucks sake. Using your formula then, it's all the Moyes lovers fault that we haven't won anything for years and never won at the top 4, you pack of bastards!!!
Paul Ferry
177 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:48:57
Stop it Graham - 171 - MOB will never come to an end = Martinez Out Brigade, Mackay Out Brigade, erm Mourinhio Out Brigade. And there will be reunions on County Rd, great reunions mate!
Steve Pugh
178 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:41:44
Paul Andrews, are you being deliberately obtuse or do you not understand banking. The banks will be more likely to lend to Everton with Moyes because they know that we will finish 6th - 8th, and that Moyes has a history of buying well. Put in a young, untried manager and the banks have no history on which to base their decision, and so they will be more circumspect in their decision making.
Wayne Smyth
180 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:41:35
Andy, perhaps our financial position is so dire because we have wasters at the club like Naismith and Neville pocketing millions while producing nothing on the pitch.

Get rid of those and you can finish 17th and still rake in a profit. But its the boards fault that we pay these guys millions each season rather than using our academy players, of course. Poor, poor Davie.

And Paul, although I want to see Moyes gone, I don't hate the guy; I just think he's taken us as far as he can and presents a real risk to our future. I think you'd have to look pretty hard to find an evertonian who hates the guy. He's stabilized the club from where we were and turned around a very old, shit squad.

As an aside, the hysterical nature of some of the posts is quite amusing. I'm glad I'm not living some of your lives. Its seriously wrist-cutting stuff the way some people are convinced that Moyes leaving means the end of our club. Get a grip, for your own sakes.

Jim Lloyd
181 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:47:01
Well, he hasn't gone yet, so we don't know if he's going or not. If he goes, I'll say he did a decent job for Everton and thank him for that. I couldn't say, though that I liked his style of football and, if he does go, I hope we'll go for someone who likes to see his team play attacking football, like Martinez, or Laudrup if we can get him.
However, Paul Ferry mentioned it before and I totally agree, unless we can get shut of Kenwright we'll still not solve the problems we've got,..rising debts and a lousy business plan.
Kristian Boyce
183 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:11:03
Knowing our luck, we'd go for Brian Laudrup or Ronald De Boer.
Peter Laing
184 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:49:28
Martinez would be a totally underwhelming appointment, they have conceded more goals than any other team in the EPL, over elaborate when it would be safer to get rid as witnessed last night and on countless other occasions this season. I would have a preference for Pellegrini who fashioned Villarreal into a competitive European force on a shoe string budget.
Kevin Tully
185 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:53:14
I wonder if Moyes will stay in charge for the last 2 games as the new Man U manager?
Zaid Omar
186 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:50:15
All the best David Moyes... If anyone deserves a shot at a truly big managerial job it's him .. And they don't come bigger than United.

For all the criticism that Moyes has received recently , I believe he has done an outstanding job in period that he was in charge.. He has definitely moved the club forward ..

Derek Thomas
188 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:48:36
IF it is true, then the Teflon Kid aka Boys Pen Billy slides out from under yet again.

Not villified for keeping Moyes short of cash, but more a rueful grin, hey what can I do it's United, the biggest club in the world, I can't stand in the Lads way.

Wayne Smyth
189 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:52:24
Steve, I don't think banks have lent to us for years, even with Moyes at the helm. Unless I'm mistaken banks have been asking us to pay down our debt, rather than offer us more....and rightly so. Football clubs are generally really shit investments. Not many make any kind of profit.

To be honest its no bad thing if we did start getting rid of our debt and trimming the squad down. I've said for ages we can't afford to be paying very average players who can't even get into the squad 50k / week, or fellaini/Pienaar 70k / week. Those players need to be moved on and cheaper alternatives brought in to bring our spending under control.

Jamie Barlow
191 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:52:31
"Oh you Moyes lovers you just want the EFC manager to fail, don't you?"

Grow up.

Paul Gladwell
192 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:57:35
Moyes last act as a manager, last night watching the reserves he came down and spoke to the dug out, a minute later we took off Velios for a defender, everyone in the crowd got onto it, good luck to him, but I just cannot see Man Utd putting up with cautious shit, this is not the greatest Man U side either he's taking over.
Sean Patton
193 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:43:55
Haha Eugene- Rising Damp

Who's Tommy Lawton?

Paul Ferry
194 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:01:04
Jamie, you're like that dog that used to follow me around. Listen carefully, I R O N Y. Now go and fetch that ball, there's a good boy and I'll give you a treat. Grow up.
Damien McShane
195 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:58:36
Good luck, Moyes. I can't see Man Utd waiting 11 years to win a trophy. Now Kenwright out and Neill Lennon in.
Steven Telford
196 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:56:21
IF he goes, and MUFC do well, while EFC sink, I wonder if all the anti-Moyes people on this forum will hold their hands up and speak the following words: "I know fuck all about football"
Paul Gladwell
197 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:01:13
Just annoyed how he has left us in limbo, the shit he gave Lescott, well at least Lescott signed a contract that guaranteed us cash, we won't get a penny off the richest club in the land and may have to spend a few million to replace him.
Julian Exshaw
198 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:57:21
I feel strangely sad about all this today, seeing Moyes heading off to talk to Man Utd. As mediocre as we often were, he kept us competitive and more often than not at the right end of the table. An ethical man, instilling the right attitude into players, all of whom tended to give 100% every week. This is what I will miss, his professionalism, dedication to our club and not trying to be "Hollywood" for Sky etc. I wish him all the best and thank him for upholding the values of our beloved Everton. As for replacements...who knows? I am not sure of anybody has mentioned Slaven Bilic yet....
John Ford
199 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:59:32
The headlines have firmed up over the last couple of hours. It really does look like he's gone.

Good luck DM and thanks for your persistent hard work and commitment.

My overriding thought now is that BK will be shitting himself. Less than a million net spend over the past five years and were expected to bring in an ambitious successor? Drop your price you egotistical bufoon, you are continuing to put our great club at risk.

Lev Vellene
200 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:57:09
Kevin (185): He'll be here anyway, it's just that Man U's choice of being on the stock market forces them to announce that their 'leader' is leaving, as it would/could impact finances. Loads of media 'know' who will be appointed as his replacement. Until anyone that really are involved says anything, just look at it as 'Silly Season Part One'! We were never really allowed to be there before, so this is a sneak pre-view as such... :P
Andy Walker
201 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:54:04
Moyes is one of the major underpins to our debt. I suspect Moyes lack of commitment to EFC in Jan was one of the main reasons we didn't sign anyone in the transfer window as lenders weren't prepared to increase the clubs debt to finance new signings without the guarantee of a manager of Moyes calibre (in their eyes) being manager next season.
You see it doesn't really matter what we think of Moyes when it comes to raising money to buy new players, what does matter is what the people lending out club millions think. They felt reassured by him being our manager, it reduced the investment risk for them, he goes and its a different ball game.
Colin Wainwright
202 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:28:08
Kin 'Ell! I leave the room for 10 Minutes!................
Jamie Barlow
203 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:03:53
Same old, same old.
Paul Gladwell
204 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:04:33
What do you class as doing well Steven, I would win a trophy with that financial clout? Good luck to him though.
Brendan McLaughlin
205 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:05:02
Steven #196
They already claimed that Moyes would never get a job with a "big club"...so I reckon we won't have to wait that long...
Paul Ferry
206 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:04:41
Steven - 196 - what an idiotic post lad. Someone criticizes Moyes and therefore knows 'fuck all about football'. Dross, 100 per cent drivel.

Must be nice walking through life seeing things in binary polarities.

And we can assume that you will do the same as you ask of those you limply and lamely berate if the next gaffer does a good job?

Ian Bennett
207 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:08:24
I recall a comment that I was on mushrooms the day Moyes joined United. Well Gav that day has come.
John Gee
209 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:09:45
Is Moyes at the Chelsea game or what? I keep flicking over to SSN and might have missed the cameras picking him up.
Paul Ferry
210 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:12:24
He is John, cameras been on him twice
Andy Walker
211 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:10:45
Paul to be fair, if someone states Moyes will never get a big job, then goes to united and does well, at the very least that's a bad call!
Chris Gould
212 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:55:02
It's irritating when people say "He's taken us as far as he can." Firstly, maybe he hasn't, and secondly, it's probably farther than anyone else possibly could have! Anyone who would ever consider coming to Everton that is.

I remember Charlton fans saying the same thing about Alan Curbishley when he got them to 7th two seasons on the trot. Absolutely ridiculous attitude from their fans who for some reason felt that their team should be higher!! Look what's happened to them since he left. You often only realise what you have when it's gone.

Andy Parsons
213 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:58:29
Moyes has done an excellent job for us under almost impossible circumstances at times. Some of the comments on here are embarrassing. To all of those welcoming the fact he is leaving, I can't wait to see who Kenwright has up his sleeve to replace him - let's see what you have to say then.
John Gee
214 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:13:08
Fuck. Cheers Paul, I missed it each time. He's not wearing a scarf by any chance is he...
Paul Smith
216 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:12:50
Looks like he's gone. Good luck DM, now we will see if he can deliver the goods with backing from the board.
Kevin Tully
217 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:13:46
Charlton?!?!? FFS
Paul Ferry
218 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:14:30
Andy - 211 - completely agree mate, but that's not what that silly post was about.
Damien McShane
219 Posted 08/05/2013 at 20:58:36
Dup
Paul Ferry
220 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:15:43
John, no mate, but he has red mittens on, read into that what you will,
John Ford
221 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:15:33
How the fuck does anyone know about Charlton? Get a hobby mate.
Lev Vellene
222 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:12:16
Ian (207): Any chance those are growing even north of most LFC fans (I understand those are Norwegians, with a scattered resistance in the UK when coming to matches are concerned...) :P For once, I feel I'd like some mind-fuddling to keep me away from the real world, it's too painful waiting for LFC fans to understand they are NOT the preferred prey of MUFC any more... :P
John Gee
223 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:17:59
Great. So he's going to Manure and he's got chicken pox!
Paul Andrews
225 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:15:37
Andy Walker " I suspect Moyes lack of comittment in January was one of the main reasons we didnt sign anyone"

Are you really that naive?
We havent got a carrott,are mortgaged up to the eyeballs and the banks refuse to lend us anymore.
Stop talking absolute nonsense please.

Mick Fleming
226 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:08:44
Sick of the "all you Moyes haters are gonna get what you deserve" type comments. Do you realise how stupid these comments look. We are all Evertonians and I assume we all want what is best for our club, or maybe not as some comments would seem to suggest. This is a catalyst for much needed change across all levels within the club we all support, cue the "careful what you wish for" comments.
Andy Walker
229 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:15:55
Fair dos Paul.

As an aside I can't help thinking that something must have happened, or been found out by someone, for all this to come out before the end of the season. I can not see that this is planned timing as it does fuck things up for our last 2 games of the season and I don't believe Moyes would have wanted that.

I believe someone has found some proof of SAF retiring and would have gone to the press and so to preempt it they made the announcement earlier than planned. They had to due to United being listed on the stock exchange.

So I am 100% certain Moyes is going there.

John Ford
231 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:20:38
I'd be excited at the prospect of a new manager if we didn't have Kenwright doing business with a pocket full of promises and free box seats at Leicester square.
Colin Wainwright
232 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:20:28
Always thought that when Moyes left, everyone would see through Bill. Andy @ 201 proves me wrong. The people lending the club money are on the fecking board Andy.
Wayne Smyth
233 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:17:50
Andy, only time will tell whether he will do well at Utd. People seem to be making a lot of assumptions about how he'll get on.

Personally, I wish him all the bad luck in the world....the same as I will for any manager who isn't managing Everton.

It will be interesting to see how long he lasts, whether he still pulls the same negative stuff, or complains about knives and gunfights when they play Barcelona or Chelsea. I'm also really keen to see how he copes with the ego's that there are at clubs like Utd and how he'll cope under the very real threat of the sack if they have a shitty start to the season like he has done so many times at Everton.

We've got an opportunity now to give a new manager a chance and it could turn out better or worse. Unfortunately a lot depends on BK. But like others have said, his shield has now gone and maybe BK will jump rather than get pushed.

Andy Walker
235 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:24:14
Yes Paul, but WHY did they refuse to lend us more? Think about it, don't think it's me who's being naive mate.
Moyes in situ next season, ie a safe pair of hands and with all the extra Sky revenue coming in would have been a reasonable proposition in my opinion. Moyes not in charge next season is a game changer for a lender.
Steven Telford
236 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:17:34
IS there another team out there, in a major league than punch so more above their weight than Everton under David Moyes.
I don’t think so.
He brought dignity back to our club.
Yes Paul, I would say to those who can’t see that, that they really don’t know much about either football and management.
Wayne McNee
237 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:26:18
So I'm guessing we'll officially become the Old Trafford feeder / retirement community club?
Andy Parsons
238 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:22:12
@226 Some of us are sick of the Moyes bashing. The club doesn't have my faith in finding a suitable replacement and I'm not going to apologise for that. I think some people blinded by the idea that with Moyes gone, Kenwright will somehow be forced out as well. That's absolute rubbish in my opinion.
Wayne Smyth
240 Posted 08/05/2013 at 18:28:42
Probably a bit early, but does anyone know what the general consensus is among Utd fans?

Most have probably already slit their wrists, but there might be a few left alive who have an opinion on whether they're happy with the appointment of DM.

Steven Telford
241 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:27:53
If you write, that "a big club would never touch him", and then one of the 3 biggest clubs in the world takes him, does it make you look around and wonder if perhaps you may be wrong about other things too?
Lev Vellene
243 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:21:01
Mick (226): It's possible you can count me in there, and probably rightfully so. I like what DM has done, and I've wanted to tear my hair. or his throat, out at other times... But the one thing I've never been able to see is: Who then??? Who'll willingly come in to manage a shoestring-budget team? We can't hope for a big name, they expect ability to fulfill their combined ego, at a price we couldn't afford last ear or whenever...

So if doom, gloom, glee and joy overlaps this week, will anyone say 'THIS is the one to vindicate all we said about DM', and will they stand by it? Or will they wimper in 2-3 years and say 'How could we have known???!

That's the nice thing, we WILL see, after all! :) This is the age of the Internet, and no one will believe me when I say I was misquoted... :P

Brendan McLaughlin
244 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:31:28
Steven #241
It should but it won't
Graham Mockford
245 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:17:28
Chris #212

I think the record does show with 7 consecutive seasons finishing between 5th and 8th that he has taken us as far as he can.Joe Beardsmore on a separate thread has written a pretty compelling piece on how big an achievement this is given the differences in financial clout.
However is that enough? For me it is not, although I appreciate I might be pissing in the wind. Maybe Moyes has taken this team as far as anyone could but football is about hope. We might find a manager who can make the breakthrough or we might find the manager who takes us back into the world of relegation dogfights.
It looks like we are about to find out.

Simon Harris
246 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:06:16
Julian #198 - strangely sad, sums up my emotions right now.

Whilst he's not an Evertonian as Eugene states, he's been a massive influence on Everton's relative success for an age (in football management) and I for one feel quite numb at the prospect of him not being around next season.

I agree with Andy Walker, the odds of us finding another manager who can almost guarantee a top 8 challenge year after year again are slim IMO.

If/when confirmed, I wish him well and here's hoping that Bill can pull another David Moyes out of the bag... and some investment.....

Andy Walker
247 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:27:35
Colin that's debatable, but its not important who's lending the money. What is important is whether they are prepared to lend it to us and they would have been happier lending it knowing Moyes would be in charge next season, rather than not having a clue who'd be in charge and whether they could generate a return on their money.
Jim Lloyd
248 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:29:07
Andy Parsons (213) Whether some of think Moyes is Great, Bad or Fair to |Middling, he will go sometime. It seems to me that Fair criticism of his playing style equates to some from of heresy. I for one hope we get a manager who does well for Everton but does it wioth a bit of style. Thats no denegration of Moyes. I don't see why you rail at evertyonians if he leaves. If he goes, it is his choice to go. As for what Kenwright has up his sleeve, I think you have the wrong circus act. It's magicians who have things up their sleeves, not clowns.
Mick Fleming
249 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:29:02
Andy (238) its got nothing to do with the MOB if the he walks though. And if BK messes up on a suitable replacement then that has got nothing to do with the MOB either. If we dip under a new manager or even, as one person suggested, get relegated then once again that has nothing to do with the MOB. It does sound ridiculous saying that the MOB are getting what they deserve when they only want what they believe is the best for our club.
Colin Wainwright
252 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:35:01
Tbf Andy, I have no proof to back up my post. Whoever is lending us money though, knows they will get a return on their outlay. Interest rates paid for by Sky money.
Conor Skelly
254 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:33:11
Moyes is what both Everton and Man Utd need... but money talks.
Brent Stephens
255 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:24:55
Ross "Moyes iis only linked because he is good mates with Fergie. One Scot helps another don't they..."

God there's some stupid f..ing comments on here.

Carl Peters
256 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:33:09
I'm not really sure how I feel about him going and I keep remembering how I felt after the 3-0 drubbing at Anfield last year and the Wigan game... if he does leave, I'll wish him good luck; it's not the end of the world.

The only person I want to see replace him though would be Laudrup. The best players we have must not be allowed to go with him , but he can take Naismith, Anichebe, and Heitinga with blessing.

Oh, and take Round too.

Chris Corn
259 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:08:14
Patrick Murphy 173...quality post. I for one thought it would never happen but you'd think Alex Ferguson was leaving us the way some carry on. It's a shame that people run down the clubs history when celebrating Moyes when he has not won anything.

He did some good things, only a fool would deny that but he is paid a kings ransom, has a squad full of highly paid internationals and has the most stable job outside of SAF and Wenger. It is not a bad job advert really is it?

Good luck if he goes, but he will require a new mentality because he needs to be winning the league as a bare minimum.

Ray Griffin
260 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:32:11
Andy 229 - "I believe someone has found some proof of SAF retiring and would have gone to the press"

Agreed but they also knew DM was the heir apparent & told their mates who got on at a good price hence the bookies slashing the odds on him. Once they believed it, it's a done deall 99% of the time

Paul Ferry
261 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:41:51
Agree Brent - 253 - that was mean spirited. But surely what is now not in doubt is that SAF has been telling the powers-that-be that our gaffer should follow him. Nothing wrong with that and it was not because he was scottish!
Steven Telford
264 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:40:26
The 1990s....... the lost decade
The days when every point was a safty point
The dark days of nothingness........dented pride.
Then came David Moyes.
Ed Fitzgerald
265 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:28:58
I don't hate David Moyes I just don't have the same rose tinted glow that some posters on here have. He is paid 3 million a year and has for most of his tenure produced some very sterile football. I am entitled to my opinion I buy my season ticket and have done for 40 years and have plenty to compare against the last 11 years have not been that great.

Andy your logic is flawed they found Moyes they will find another good manager. They will be tempted a good salary at the fourth most successful club in England with a proud history and the potential to actually win something there arent that managers jobs in England that can offer that.

Paul Andrews
267 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:46:56
Andy Walker,

Beleive me it is you who is being naive.
Do you understand where we get our recent loans from?
And do you not know who is providing the loans?

To use old banking terminology. All at a twat of an interest rate

Andy Walker
271 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:44:15
In the short term this leaves our club in a very difficult situation for the last 2 games of the season. Should Moyes be in charge?
Jim Lloyd
272 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:48:34
Steven (264)
Well it looks like he's going now. Does that mean we automatically go back to the 90's?
Ray Roche
276 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:50:29
Well, if we're saying goodbye to Moyes, believe me, we'll be saying goodbye to Baines, Fellaini, Jags, Barkley and Coleman and anyone else who Moyes thinks will help him settle in at Old Tragic. I fear for our club. Especially with Boys Pen Billy holding the reins.
Brent Stephens
278 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:52:58
Paul #261 - a much more reasoned and reasonable view.
Chris Corn
279 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:49:34
Steven Telford, 264.. The 90's, The Decade We Won More Than We Did Under Moyes.


John Ford
281 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:41:34
If Moyes successor keeps us as consistent as we have been over the past ten years then we'll be doing well. That no one has a record as consistent as his makes me concerned at the likely outcome. I hope I'm wrong but Kenwright probably won't get as lucky again.

The anti Moyes posse appear to be wrong about him not going to a bigger club. I suspect they will also be proved wrong on their assumption that another manager could keep a skint club lke everton anywhere near the top. I'd be well happy to eat humble pie on that one though.

Brent Stephens
282 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:54:29
So why isn't Martinez (and other run-of-the-mill dross) in the running?
Ed Fitzgerald
285 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:47:17
Steven

That lost decade you mention brought an FA Cup win against Man U managed by SAF followed by a season when we finished sixth (the barometer of success under Moyes?) and we scored goals for fun in that season and even won at Anfield. This was achieved by manager who had no fear of any team and left because of a point of priniciple. when he was denied money to buy a forward. Mostly the 90s were shite agreed but you skip over some fairly important points in 95 and 96 wouldnt you say?

Jamie Crowley
286 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:51:33
Can we please hit 1000 posts?

Laudrup? Yes.
Bilic? Yes.
Poyet? Yes.
Holloway? (great shour IMO Graham Mockford) Yes.
Lennon? Yes. For me at any rate, as I "don the tin hat" thingy.
Any manager with an attacking approach who's afraid of nothing and no one? Yes.


Slit my wrists, jump with Ross, grab a lead pipe with Ferry, run into a dark place with Marsh, hell no! candidates:
Hughes
O'Neill
any Godforsaken boring, defense minded keep us safe jag-off? No.

Brent Stephens
288 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:55:29
The best you can get on Jamie Carragher as Everton manager is now 300-1, from 100-1. He's still my favourite. Lovely guy.
David Haimes
289 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:50:43
So if Moyes goes, what players do people think he would take with him?

This is meant to be an interesting debate on who at Everton is better than anyone at Man U in their position.

Baines would seem to be a no brainer, but others?

Andy Walker
290 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:51:49
Paul it doesn't matter who is lending the money, the 'twat of an interest rate' you refer to will now be even worse, whether its a board member, a bank or whoever lending the money. Just think what the interest rate will be to lend the money for say Mark Hughes to spend! (That's if they lend the club any money at all).

We only have one way to finance our club and its by borrowing off someone who's prepared to lend. If they won't we can't buy players without selling, attract a decent manager or attract good players. The ability to lend it critical to our future success and we are just about to loose one of our key assets.

Jim Lloyd
291 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:56:37
Brent,
Didn't Martinez get interviewqed by the RS? I'm not so sure that he is "run of the miill dross"
Jamie Crowley
292 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:58:44
Just Fella and Baines David.

Felliani is good as gone. I'd put Baines at 75% out the door. Nobody else IMO.

Steve Guy
297 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:53:16
Steven (264) . The 90's ? Pre Moyes ? When we last won a trophy ?
Jim Lloyd
298 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:00:54
Phil Nev is a cert to go !
Paul Ferry
301 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:52:15
Come on Steve - 264 - that's all a little daft mate. Hold on tight then lads and lasses,
we're going backwards, downwards ........

Putting the foot on the other shoe, Moyes choristers sometimes descend to the low level of so you want us to lose do you to make it worse for Moyes, or words to such effect. OMG next season, ex-Moyes critics slump to the low level of slapping Moyes choristers on the knuckles for seemingly wishing his successor to fail.

Brent Stephens
302 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:00:02
Jim, an overstatement by me. To make the point that if DM is laughable as replacement for SAF, then what does that make Martinez as a poss replacement for DM, when Martinez wasn't even in the frame (it seems) for the MU job.,
Paul Ferry
307 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:02:27
Radio-5 reporting that Laudrup and Martinez are faves to replace Moyes
Paul Ferry
311 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:04:49
Jags Jamie - 292? Moyes loves him. Agree, my big fear is Leighton leaving
Andy Walker
312 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:04:56
I'd take Laudrup if had to choose. Maybe he could get some of the Swansea lads in on the cheap.
Jamie Crowley
317 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:02:22
What I don't understand is why some are in such a state of gloom and despair?!

We lose our teddy bear / safety blanket.

With the right appointment we get:

free-flowing, attacking football

an attitude that we can prevail

no more stupid substitutions

no more playing "favorites"

no more Neville back passes fucking up a Cup run because our manager loves him in a very strange way

Shithouses like Naismith not playing

youth actually getting some playing time

formations and set ups that don't make you immediately bored and ill at the same time

and someone else please fill in the blanks because frankly I get bored of it

I do indeed like and respect David Moyes and I hope he wins 10 titles at Man U. If we aren't going to, and those prospects are very bleak indeed, then I hope he does. I really do. I wish him my best.

But...

Obladi Obladah life goes on....

Paul Ferry
319 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:07:11
Spot on Andy - 312 - but Martinez could bring big blue Macmann ... Mcmamenen ... Mackmannem ... oh fuck it, him, and also Maloney, but agree that Swans would be better than pie-eaters - Jamie I'm predicting 1000 by 3-56 your time
Jamie Crowley
320 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:08:39
Paul -

I think Jags stays. Might be wrong but with the captaincy I think he stays put.

Brent Stephens
322 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:08:42
Jamie "With the right appointment". Indeed. And there ain't many who can meet that requirement, that we could realistically attract.
Andy Walker
323 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:08:55
Jamie, its simple, the risk to our club is much greater tonight than it was last night. That indisputable, and is not something anyone is going to be happy with.
Jamie Crowley
327 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:12:31
I disagree Brent, and I listed 4 of them that I think could give us everything I listed.

Te problem is fucking Bill will NOT appoint them and pick the dross manager who "keeps us safe" and keeps his "investment" intact.

I hope I'm wrong, but I respectfully disagree with your assertion - there's at least 4 candidates IMO (and that's a fair amount) that can restore some excitement.

Jim Lloyd
328 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:07:35
Brent =, fair enough but I just think that none of us, whether we hate, love, or are anywhere in between, can stop Moyes going if thats what is going to happen, I think there's a danger of defending Moyes (fair enough) but I think we should look objectively at the Managers who might come to Everton, should he go.
I for one, don't denigrate Moysie. I didn't go overboard about his football style but He did a decent job for us, without setting my pulse racing,
If he goes (big if just yet,) then it ain't the MOB whoever they are, who have made him go. He'll be ging because hge fancies the job thtas offered. I'd wish him well but I'll be looking at who's coming, not who's going. Hopefullly we'll get a good attacking manager.
Jamie Crowley
329 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:14:27
Andy -

you say risk. I say an opportunity.

Steven Telford
331 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:11:56
Will these words haunt Roony
"I'll never play for you again"

What do you think this would mean for Rooney

Paul Ferry
332 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:13:05
I'm nervous, apprehensive, and concerned, but I'm also excited, intrigued, and hopeful. Some day soon one of these at present evenly balanced set of motions will decisively tip in one direction. You'd better get it right chairman.
Andy Walker
334 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:12:52
Paul ha ha, yea that Wigan lad and a couple from Swansea with Laudrup in charge would be attractive. We must get the new guy in soon though so he can plan early.
Kevin Day
335 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:14:54
Quite frankly, if Moyes is leaving, in my opinion, we are up the creek without a paddle, the mob will get their wish, the pro Moyes are going to say, including me "told you so".
Harold Matthews
337 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:46:19
Brian Denton. The number of comments are printed at the top.

Brent / Alex. I did not say we should sign Ya Ya Toure or Alonso. I said "along the lines of" I could just as easily said Carrick or David Luis or even Arteta in his Arsenal role. It was the "type" rather than anyone specific.; Someone mobile and technical who forever seeking the ball and can attack and defend. Surely, in the whole of Europe, Asia and South America, there is an affordable player of this type.

Jamie Crowley
338 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:16:46
And btw, while I'm "hogging the airwaves"...

Graham Mockford suggested Holloway in an earlier post and I couldn't agree more.

When he was with Blackpool I absolutely loved watching them. A joy.

Yes, he was relegated. But I can't see that happening (gulp) at Everton as even our meager resources would buy talent that would surely keep us up in a system like his.

Jim Lloyd
340 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:18:03
Kevin, If you are so keen on being able to say " I told you so" rather than seeing what new manager we get, (If Moyes does go) and what brand of football he brings with him. Are you wishing a doom on the club, just because Moyes decides to go and you want to be proved right?
Brent Stephens
343 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:16:42
Jamie, I was saying there aren't many, not that there aren't any. But we would need to be able to attract them.

Jim, I think I agree with that. I'm focusing, as you, on who might be coming. And that's where my worries are.

Jamie Crowley
345 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:20:09
Kevin Day -

The sun will shine, we could actually play some exciting stuff, and maybe just maybe actually win something.

Good Lord cheer up. This is not the apocalypse. And I doubt you're going to be able to say "told you so."

Unless 9th or 10th next year with a change of direction is "told you so" in your book. We're not going to suddenly be down in the relegation mess.

And if you think I'm wrong, I look forward to saying "I told you so."

Jamie Crowley
348 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:23:29
See Jim Lloyd's comments:

If we appoint Hughes or some other piece of crap defensive, safety-minded drooling knob, then by all means Kevin give me a big fat "I TOLD YOU SO!"

Andy Walker
349 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:17:25
Jamie it is an opportunity, but you cannot ignore risk. I cold stick a ton on a 100-1 outsider tomorrow, it an opportunity but its a big risk, which I won't be taking.
We didn't have this degree of risk with Moyes in charge. It's now down to BK and the board to do their damnedest to mitigate the risk but it will still be there. It's not like we are Chelsea where we can appoint a new manager give him a fortune to spend and it it doesn't work write it off and appoint another manager with no long term consequences to the club.
The consequences to our club of the next manager failing having been given money to spend are potentially massive and we should not ignore this.
Brent Stephens
350 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:22:39
Harold, I hear that and I agree. It's just that many have those types of skills but at a mediocre level. If we want those types of skill at a bloody good level, then we have to pay a bloody good price.
Paul Ferry
353 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:18:04
(333) Quite frankly, if Moyes is leaving, in my opinion, we are up the creek without a paddle, the mob will get their wish, the pro Moyes are going to say, including me "told you so"

Quite frankly. this really is high class drivel and dross. It is the pitch perfect example word-for-word of childish absurd Moyes madness. Frame it. Put it in a plaque. Preserve it. Save it for posterity.

Moyes leaves we are in crisis - let's wait and see but you Moyes merchsnts seem to bask in doom and gloom, get a little sunnier lad, there is no inevitable cause-and-effect in what you say.

the pro Moyes are going to say, including me "told you so". - well that's a tad pathetic isn't it, na na na na na, I'm taking me ball back. Pathetic.

Ray Griffin
357 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:14:27
Leading contenders according to the bookies;

Roberto Martinez 8/11
Philip Neville 12/1
Vitor Pereira 12/1
Michael Laudrup 14/1
Martin O'Neill 16/1
Neil Lennon 16/1
Gus Poyet 20/1
Malky Mackay 20/1
David Weir 25/1
Duncan Ferguson 25/1
Slaven Bilic 25/1


Jim Lloyd
358 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:23:11
Brent, it might well be a worrying time but it might also be a really exciting episode in our club's history. There are a number of young managers who play an expansive style of football.
Kevin Day
360 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:24:31
Of coarse I don't want doom on the club, I want Moyes to stay with money spend, to be honest I don't blame him if he goes there, I just wished it was the board doing one, there the ones holding us back
John Crawley
369 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:19:09
Graham 245 - agree with that, seems a fair assessment to me. I also like Holloway, a brave attack minded manager who goes for it. Not that keen on Martinez who I don't think is very good at organizing his sides defensively, which you have to do to be successful. Laudrup has managed to balance defensive solidity and an attractive style of football so I think he would be a good choice, although I have reservations about how long he would stay at the club.
Paul Ferry
370 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:30:42
I just wished it was the board doing one, there the ones holding us back

Now that Kevin - 360 - makes perfect sense

Steve Pugh
371 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:21:43
If Moyes goes I don't what will happen, and guess what....nobody else on here does either.
Andrew Laird
372 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:18:29
IF Moyes goes I will be interested to see who a new manager would pick for his matchday team and squad.

Are the players, who Moyes has seen in training etc and discarded with splinters in their arse or just not used at all, any worse than his underperforming favourites?

Was he holding youth players back in favour of dross?

Will we have to endure our new manager displaying megolomaniac tendencies by referring about himself in the third person?

I personally find it refreshing that we might just find out.

Sam Hoare
374 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:23:31
From a supposed 'apologist'. I'm excited. A new manager and a new style feel needed to me. Obviously I think Moyes has done a great job but all is not necessarily lost without him. The next person will do well in my opinion to keep us in the top 7 or so for the next 5 years but then we might also do better in a few cup runs. Who knows. I live for a little unpredictability.

On another ( admittedly self righteous note) I would like to see a few more people who said Moyes would never manage a big club put their hands up if tomorrow pans out as we are expecting.

Nick Entwistle
376 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:33:34
But what is the 'right' selection Andrew? To be fair, other than Barks, Oviedo, Hitz and Heits, possibly Duffy... there's no others to choose from.
Brent Stephens
377 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:28:49
Jim, looks as if he has gone. So I'm moving on already. Part of me does in fact look forward to a new manager - what will it look like. But that's a bit like opening a new parcel at xmas. Lots of thrills. But at the same time I'm shit scared about who we can afford to get in and who would want to come anyway (no dosh to spend). Expansive football I'd love. But if it loses us points? Isn't that where the Blackpool manager (Geri Halliwell?) got his team?
Andy Walker
379 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:33:15
Steve thanks for pointing out that no one can predict the future.

You have managed to make a statement that will be true in any situation, brilliant!

Kevin Tully
381 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:27:35
BK knows as well as us that he HAS to get this appointment right to protect his imvestment.

I think the Board will go all out to get Laudrup. They won't be taking any chances, there is too much at stake in this modern era of mega T.V. money.

Put a foot wrong, and they could literally lose £100m in the next couple of years. The board know they are already under tremendous scrutiny, they are not stupid.

Nick Entwistle
382 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:35:17
Wasn't just a big club Sam, any club! Who would want him? Where's he gonna go? Spurs and Chelsea didn't come in for him because they know he's far too cautious blah blah... oh, Man fucking Utd. Who'd have thought.

Still think it could go Mourinho. Abramovic may want to sleep on it before informaing Utd of his decision haha...

Paul Ferry
383 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:34:58

Good post Sam - 374.
Jamie Crowley
384 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:31:50
Andy -

I completely hear you and understand your argument and concur in an honest moment - there is indeed risk. And yes, the fall out could be catastrophic.

I just feel the actual odds of that playing out are very small indeed.

And... you're talking to a man who 7 years ago quit a job - the only one he'd ever had for 14 years of his adult life - where I was paid very handsomely, to start a small little business with zero dollar sales, an idea, and a vision of what I wanted and how I wanted to live my life.

So risk is something I giggle at quite frankly.

But that is different to Everton and I fully recognize that and your point.

Jim Lloyd
389 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:37:13
Kevin: Spot on and totally agree, at least about the board doing one.
Jamie Crowley
390 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:37:24
Sam -

I put my hands up. I said no one would come in for him. Never thought it'd happen.

Robbie Muldoon
393 Posted 08/05/2013 at 21:56:00
Moyes is gone - don't stress!

Football is just a game and the biggest factor to determine success or failure is FEAR.

The majorioty of good things to come from Moyes' 11 yearlabour are still there in place. Excellent training facilities, a squad which is difficult to beat, and I've heard about all kinds of technical and scouting networks in place. These will all still be there next season.

But also we may lose some of the frustrating qualities about David William MOyes. The conservative football, baffling team selections, lack of confidence in young talent (Barkley), 11 players back for corners, strikers tracking back running the wings and burning out, the inability to win at Liverpool, Arsenal, Man UNited, Chelsea, and constant failure in cup competitons when expectations become raised. It looks to me like there is lots of room for improvement for MOyes successor and none of it depends upon money.... although that of course would help!

Paul Ferry
394 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:39:38
sackcloth and ashes for Mr Crowley. Put him in the pillory and throw rotting fruit at him. What a .......
Nick Entwistle
396 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:40:53
Wait wait wait... no need to post further. Robbie Savage is about to open his mouth on Football Focus.
Kevin Tully
397 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:37:07
Sam, I am truly gobsmacked Man U have gone for Moyes, hands up from me (hope you are smugly feeling good about that)

You clearly know far more about football than me. Where do I go to self-flagellate?

Jamie Crowley
400 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:40:52
Paul -

You're Carnegie Mellon intellect is far, far past my Tulane University simpleton ways...

What?

I don't mind fruit.

Paul Ferry
401 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:42:10
sackcloth and ashes for Mr Tully. Put him in the pillory and throw rotting fruit at him. What a .......
Jamie Barlow
402 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:36:33
What if you get Phil Neville for Christmas?

I can't get Kenwright offering Phil Neville the job out of my head.

Jamie Crowley
404 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:42:37
LMAO Nick!
Jamie Crowley
405 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:43:56
got it Paul... got it
Paul Ferry
407 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:42:51
Tulane is a Carngie-Mellon research uni Jamie. Gave a couple of talks down there last year, lovely place. V good history department.

I was being tongue-in-cheek, satarizing not you but the fruit chuckers - ditto Kev

Jamie Crowley
408 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:44:36
Jamie Barlow -

See previous posts from Ross about jumping head-first into the Mersey

Paul Andrews
412 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:46:26
Andy Walker 312

" I would take Laudrup if I had to choose.Maybe he could get some of the Swansea lads in on the cheap"

What would he use for transfer fees Andy ?
I take it you think the bank have enough confidence in him to enable them to give us a loan?

Jim Lloyd
413 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:43:45
Jamie, Nightmare time, go and seek exorcism at once! Brent, yep it will be a nervous time (it'll certainly be a nervous time if he puts Phil in charge) but I think we are going to get change whether we want it or not. I must say, I'm surprised that Moysie has be chosen by United, if thats the case. I couldn't see it meself but I'll go and borrow a hair shirt!
Peter Laing
419 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:45:53
Typical Everton, stories being run all over the media and fuck all response from the Club regarding the current incumbent Moyes who tonight is still the Everton manager.
Brent Stephens
425 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:50:27
Jim, I'm a "70% for and 30% against Moyes" sort of guy. Always thought he was good enough for us. But surprised MU went for him. But I'll bow to their superior wisdom of their Board as advised by SAF. I guess those of their fans who don't like DM going there haven't got the acumen of their Board and SAF.
Jamie Crowley
426 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:52:53
Peter -

They can't say anything until it's official. They have to stay quiet.

FFS

Patrick Murphy
430 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:54:53
Kevin Tully I think you'll find that is illegal in the 21st century but apparently there are clubs in some Eastern European cities which will welcome you with open arms.
Brent Stephens
431 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:56:21
Peter, what the fuck do you expect them to say! Typical of some fans.
Andrew Laird
433 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:39:28
Nick 376. That will be for the new manager to decide, he will see every player on the books at Everton and will make his judgement on that basis. Exactly the same conditions to which Moyes was afforded. I am interested to see if he picks anybody different to Moyes default 18.

He might see something that an ex centre-back like Moyes doesn't. He would not have his favourites so the players would all have impetus to impress. His scouts and staff would ideally not consist of family members and ex defenders.

Jim Lloyd
440 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:58:21
Well, I'm off to beddo. Hope the thread breaks the 1000 barrier,. Some good discussions goin but so are me eyes! Night all, from the people's village of Kirkdale.
Harold Matthews
443 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:59:59
Brent. Sadly, you're probably right.
Harold Matthews
494 Posted 08/05/2013 at 23:03:28
According to the bookies it's Martinez, done and dusted. Not sure I'm happy about it, especially after seeing the recent comical defending of Wigan. Moyes often drove me crackers but he kept us safe and will be a hard act to follow. He and Neville were leaders who drove us forward and losing them both at the same time is quite a blow.
Mike Green
548 Posted 08/05/2013 at 22:54:42
Steve Barr 042 - you read my mind. I would say 'long'......
Robbie Shields
606 Posted 09/05/2013 at 02:59:14
Harold #494, you're having a laugh aren't you? Moyes AND Neville drove us forward, surely you are talking metaphorically arent you, Neville never made a forward pass as far as I can remember.

Both of them going at the same time is one of the best things ever to have happenned for the mighty blues. Moyes to United is even better still, could only be bettered if he'd gone to Mordor.

You never know, we might get to swap Fellaini for Rooney, can't see Rooney hanging around there for long, now that's a player swap I'd like to see :)

The future's bright, the future's blue!!!!!!

Mike Green
651 Posted 09/05/2013 at 06:47:17
Robbie #606 - I was saying yesterday Moyes could go down as he manager who sold Rooney, twice. I expect Rooney's watching the tele thinking "Well fuck my luck..." :D
Gavin Ramejkis
662 Posted 09/05/2013 at 07:13:14
Some of the funniest things on this thread are from the suicide watch merchants

We're all doomed, ha ha ha. This isn't Moyes FC, never fucking was, get a grip. Life moves on, put all your sharps away.

Paul Andrews
679 Posted 09/05/2013 at 07:49:13
Gavin,
Take your pick.
As a result of Moyes leaving we could have any or all of the following according to some on here.

* Relegation

* Fellaini,Jagielka,Baines,Barkley transferred

* The banks will withdraw our line of credit resulting in us fading into the ether

* etc etc

He has a lot to answer for has Mr Moyes

Dan Brierley
870 Posted 09/05/2013 at 10:49:31
I wouldn't say anybody is suicidal, yet another sensationalist comment. But there are understandably some of us that are concerned with the future of our football club. Those suggesting 'Moyes will never get offered a big job' have been shown up, so obviously there is some people getting defensive because they have been proved wrong again. Especially those suggesting Moyes will use the same tactics at OT with United's squad at his disposal.

I have said many times before, its all very well playing attacking, free flowing football. We have seen many managers playing that style over the years. Many of them getting relegated. But the problem is, if your striker is not able to convert your footballing style is completely irrelevant. Its no secret why Bolton stayed in the PL so long, or Stoke are so effective at picking up points consistently. 'Defensive' Moyes side has a goal difference of +14 this season, even with a completely misfiring striker. Add a 20 goal a season striker into the mix, and where would Everton be now? Answers on a postcard. I don't see our lack of success as a manager issue. We need better players, end of. The lack of a success is the symptom, not the cause.

Tony J Williams
876 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:15:33
What a difference a day makes, yesterday Moyes might have been thinking of possible loan deals in the summer, now he wakes up and finds his soon to be team are in Spain thrashing out a deal to bring back Ronaldo to the Premiership..........Is he any good at defending corners or running the line? he sure is.
Paul Andrews
882 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:24:38
Dan,

genuine question.Do you go to the game?

Dan Brierley
921 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:54:28
Paul, would love to. I can assure you, I don't sit on the match day forum of this website for fun. I have been living outside the UK since 2006. Your point being?
Paul Andrews
945 Posted 09/05/2013 at 12:42:32
My point being is I knew from your posts you did not actually go to the game.
Thanks for the reply
Dan Brierley
963 Posted 09/05/2013 at 12:51:10
Paul, its desperate to try and discredit people's opinions due to their geographical location. Ironically, there is a load of lads that religiously make it to the match day live forum every time the blues are playing which in many ways still shows their dedication.

If I am honest, I actually 'watch' football now. When I was in the UK, the match used to get in the way of a good piss up. 14:45 in the Oak or National, and it would be something like 'kin 'ell, do we really have to go and watch that shite?' (for reference, my first match was Brett Angell's home debut, and Mike Walkers first game in charge. This is a strong reason I think Moyes has done a great job after the shite I witnessed for the first 8 years of my following Everton).

Paul Andrews
059 Posted 09/05/2013 at 14:32:58
Dan,
i never tried to discredit you due to your location.More your observations really.
It is understandable,watching on the tv makes it difficult to get a true picture as the camera follows the ball and you cant see the bigger picture.
Nothing personal mate just an opinion, and there is every chance it is me who is wrong not you.
Hope you can get to a game one day,must be hard not waliking in to Goodison.

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