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Laudrup tops list to replace David Moyes

08/05/2013 | Comments (129)
The Mirror is claiming that Everton have already drawn up a short list of potential successors for departing manager David Moyes and Swansea boss Michael Laudrup tops the candidates the club have been carefully considering because Moyes has refused to commit himself to a new long-term contract.

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Carl Peters
482 Posted 08/05/2013 at 23:26:22
If we get Laudrup, I'll drive Moyes to OT myself.
Christopher Wallace
487 Posted 08/05/2013 at 23:24:31
As much as I like Laudrup, I think a good season or two with us and then he'd be off to one of his former clubs – Real or Juve, possibly even Barca.

Be a great coup for the club but I have no faith in Kenwright even bringing in a satisfactory replacement.

Colin Glassar
499 Posted 08/05/2013 at 23:34:04
Glenn Roeder for me.
Brian Keating
516 Posted 08/05/2013 at 23:44:49
I don't want Moyes to go. He's gone though and this is a decent replacement.
Lyndon Lloyd
519 Posted 08/05/2013 at 23:46:29
I’d be happy with Laudrup.

Slaven Bilic or Ole Gunnar Solskjaer seem like they would be worth a chance in the Premier League and would bring the right qualities.

Martinez, Hughes, Lennon, Neville, O’Neill, Clarke… No, thank you!

Clive Lewis
522 Posted 08/05/2013 at 23:49:29
It's the players Laudrup could bring and of course the raid on Swansea players. I would be very happy with this.
Tony J Williams
525 Posted 08/05/2013 at 23:51:08
Yep, Laudrup for me will do very nicely sir.
Chris Jones
534 Posted 08/05/2013 at 23:54:29
What Lyndon said, plus Pereira
Chris Matheson
535 Posted 08/05/2013 at 23:51:01
The underlying problems remain with or without Moyes.

The lack of finance, and the lack of a strategy to address that lack of finance.

Moyes has been Kenwright's lightning conductor, his human shield, for the past decade. It seems he is now gone but the main problems remain. Until we have a board capable of bringing some vision and business sense to the club, we will always be also-rans, plucky Everton punching above out weight.

If David does leave, which seems likely at the time of writing, then I am filled with a sense of regret and despair that the wrong person has left Everton.

Chris Matheson
536 Posted 08/05/2013 at 23:51:01
The underlying problems remain with or without Moyes.

The lack of finance, and the lack of a strategy to address that lack of finance.

Moyes has been Kenwright's lightning conductor, his human shield, for the past decade. It seems he is now gone but the main problems remain. Until we have a board capable of bringing some vision and business sense to the club, we will always be also-rans, plucky Everton punching above out weight.

If David does leave, which seems likely at the time of writing, then I am filled with a sense of regret and despair that the wrong person has left Everton.

Christopher Kelly
541 Posted 08/05/2013 at 23:58:49
Without knowing the man, Laudrup SEEMS to be a man of integrity and honor and a much better coach than Moyes on the eye.

I doubt he'll put up with that bullshit that Moyes did with the board!

Wow I hope it happens

James Carlisle
542 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:01:33
Yes please!
Kev Johnson
544 Posted 08/05/2013 at 23:56:58
I don't see Laudrup coming. He's in charge of a little Premiership club who are in Europe next season. Nice little adventure for him, and some experience of managing against top European teams. I reckon he'll want to do that job for another season or two them entertain the idea of moving to a team (here or in Spain) where he has a realistic chance of winning something and is sure to be in the Europa League at the very least. Sadly, we are not in that category at present.

You know, it boils down to how much kudos being the EFC manager has in the footballing world at large. While I fondly imagine it's the best job in the world, I don't think that thought is widely shared outside of the EFC community.

Patrick Murphy
546 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:01:42
Watching and listening to Kenwirght on SSN it doesn't look as if any manager has been lined up yet, I think BK honestly thought that DM would stay another year and that Ferguson would still be at OT for at least a year longer. We have I think been caught with our trousers down not for the first time and like on so many occasions we have no plan B.

I wonder if BK will attend on Sunday?

Patrick Murphy
547 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:11:05
According to the Gaurdian Phil Neville is interested in the post at Everton but DM may take him to OT. -

Discussions on Everton's first managerial appointment since 2002 were only tentative, however, with the expectation being that Moyes would stay amid a lack of interest from England's leading clubs. He was finalising Everton's pre-season arrangements only on Tuesday and has held several discussions on his transfer budget and targets for this summer.

The Everton hierarchy did not receive notice of United's or Moyes' intentions until the 50-year-old met Bill Kenwright at the chairman's offices in London on Wednesday. He is expected to inform Everton's players of his impending departure at the club's Finch Farm training ground on Thursday.


They also say that Mark Hughes is interested and that Laudrup, Martinez and Lennon are to be considered for the post.

Barry Rathbone
549 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:12:05
Laudrup ... is he flavour of the month?

Fair do's Michu was inspired, I suggest he's been the real difference but at the start there were mutterings in Swansea of training being a bit slack and they started a bit shit.

After the league cup win they've been on holiday till Wigan ... A Michu, a league cup, one season ??

Slightly tenuous to me.

Clive Lewis
551 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:18:29
If I had to gamble which we do becuase we aint going to get pep guadoilis or anyone top. Then I would take Laudrup, Barry what inspiration can you suggest as a possible replacement?.
Patrick Murphy
554 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:19:36
This from the Mail on line made me chuckle -

His focus on bringing through youth talent is also a huge selling point for the club that selected at least one player who has come through the academy system for more than 1,000 consecutive games.

Colin Leary
556 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:25:42
The Sporting Life are saying Rafa Benitez could be in the frame...

With the backlash he has had at Chelsea, would coming to Goodison worry him?

He lives in Caldy and recently said he would like to manage on Merseyside again.

Chris Bentham
557 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:10:15
I'm open to change... I say it with a heavy heart cos I see games where the ethos and drive of Moyes helps us win against greater opposition. We've come a long way.
Problems come when inventiveness is the key. Over-reliance on tired squad members... Too many draws when we should have pressed but tried to hold a one-goal lead, I'm not happy with over-reliance on a Cahill/Fellaini figure getting us the goals.

Thanks Moyesy for making us more professional; for that, we are indebted... For being given a chance and the support with our great club you are indebted to Everton. If you leave, it's with my gratitude and blessing. COYB

Carl Sanderson
559 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:31:02
Did anyone see Kenwright on Sky tonight? He looked shell-shocked.

Short-list? Succession planning? Don't make me laugh.

Fucking amateurs, the lot of them.

Lori Fekete
562 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:09:02
Laudrup had an impressive first season, but I wouldn't be supprised if Swansea struggle next year.

I'd like to see where we'd finished if we had a finisher like Michu this year.

Its a bit premature to say he's better than Moyes, especially when we completely dicked all over them at the Liberty.

I'd rather him than Martinez though, who can only get 6 games a year out of his teams.

I for one am not dancing in the street like most on here, because I can see us having a lot of seasons like Newcastle and Villa are having.

Jack Wilkinson
564 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:33:10
One of the few realistic options I'd be happy with. Not totally convinced he'd come though.
Carl Sanderson
565 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:34:11
Chris 535:

Excellent post. Kenwright's next appointment will make or break him - and us!

Kevin Tully
567 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:39:53
Many are underestimating even our Board.

There are literally hundreds of millions at stake if they fuck up, and we are relegated. They will go all out to replace Moyes with someone who can keep the status quo, the likes of Megson or Jones would not even be considered.

They will pay whatever it takes to keep this club afloat, and the future revenues that will be on offer.

Colin Leary
573 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:58:37
Dup
Richard Dodd
575 Posted 09/05/2013 at 01:00:53
Laudrop would do for me. Suspect Kenwright has known for weeks -`shock horror` on SSN was his latest acting achievement.Probably earned him another stint on Corra!
Richard Dodd
576 Posted 09/05/2013 at 01:06:02
I guess I`d better learn to spell Laudrup if I going to worship at HIS shrine!
Harold Matthews
578 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:28:20
Not sure about Laudrup. Wasn't Martinez the guy who kick-started everything down there?

We need a hungry, ambitious, hard to please, intelligent young manager with bags of energy and the mental strength to cope at such a big club as Everton. It certainly won't be easy

For me, Laudrup lacks passion and drive.

Roman Sidey
580 Posted 09/05/2013 at 01:09:34
Doddy, I think a lot of people have known about this for more than weeks. Neville's departure is looking more and more convenient now too.

Laudrup? Meh. I still want Montanier. However, Real Socieadad are looking like they'll be in the Champs League next year, so he won't leave San Sebastian. I guess the next three la Liga games for me will be supporting whoever they are playing.

Ian Smitham
583 Posted 09/05/2013 at 01:20:02
Barry #549, you seem to have posted endless stuff against Mr David Moyes. Clive#551 has challenged you, who would you appoint and from my own view, why? I note your comments at #549, so, it is over to you. Please remember, WHY you choose the names that you do.
David Moore
586 Posted 09/05/2013 at 00:53:01
As a few have already mentioned, this next managerial appointment will make or break the club. The wrong appointment will see the likes of Baines, Fellaini and Co following Moyes out the door.

Of those listed so far to either have their hat in the ring, all have pros and cons but I really hope that we don't get Mark Hughes, Malky Mackay, Neil Lennon or Martin O'Neill.

This leaves a small list that I would target:

Porto Coach Vitor Pereira: as we have seen with AVB, the coach of Porto would be high calibre and would hopefully play attractive football. It would be a jump in leagues for Pereira, but why would he leave constant Champions League football? He would be my No 2 target.

Michael Laudrup: has gathered praise for his season with Swansea this year, managing a trophy, a feat we are constantly reminded that Moyes hasn't achieved. However, is he a flash in the pan or a one-season wonder? His results at other clubs recently haven't ended at all well, either being fired or resigning a year into his contract at Mallorca and Spartak Moscow. After the League Cup win,they haven't come to play at all. Also, how much of his success can we put down to Michu, easily the signing of the season? He is in the bottom half of my list to target.

Roberto Martinez: I think this manager beings the most division amongst our supporter base. I personally like his footballing philosophy and brand that he tries to implement at Wigan, despite not have the cattle to do so. This move has caused his team to be in the position they are in, due to the constant mistakes that they make. It's a Catch-22 situation for him, play good football and risk being relegated, or park the bus and have more ladder stability, but lose respect as a manager. I am ambivalent towards the clubs signing Martinez, which isn't a good situation given how much I care about the club.

Other targets that I like: Slaven Bilic or Ole Gunnar Solskjaer have both made the right noises with their managerial career, but don't know enough about them to make an in depth analysis

Another candidate that is purely me thinking outside the box here is Graham Arnold. He is the coach of the Central Coast Mariners in Australia, who recently won the Grand Final this season and finished the regular season in the top 2 throughout the last three seasons. The reason I bring him up is that the Mariners are the smallest club in the competition, spending less than half what other teams spend on players(this in a league with a salary cap of sorts). He also has a great track record of bringing youngsters into the first team and making them young stars. It won't happen, but he would be a great manager or even first team coach.

And my No 1 target is Jose Mourinho.... Hear me out, please, and no I haven't been drinking;its 10:30 am in Sydney as I write this.

I feel now would be the perfect time for Kenwright to leave the club. He has long been stale in the position and, as I mentioned at the top, this posting is the biggest decision he will make. So Bill: fall on your sword and do the whole club a favour, it's a win-win situation. If we could somehow get Mourinho, new owners would come flocking to us and I expect we would keep all of our quality players as they would see the potential revolution. It would be the ballsiest move made in EFC history.

Now can someone call the nurse... I think I forgot my meds.

James Stewart
590 Posted 09/05/2013 at 01:57:03
Bilic for me. Style but with a hard edge. Not sure how I'd feel about laudrup Swansea have been complete garbage at times. Still anyone but Lennon, Hughes, Bruce, McKay, O'Neill, etc is fine with me
Peter Jones
592 Posted 09/05/2013 at 01:58:50
No beef from me on Laudrup but seems to good to be true. Lennon wouldn't be bad either. Forgot about him. Back to back champions and beating Barcelona on a budget is pretty impressive by me so that'll work as well.
David Nelson
593 Posted 09/05/2013 at 02:02:22
So the mob want Laudrup? Didn't he sign a new deal with Swansea recently? That could cost maybe a couple of mil to get him. Didnt we fuck up the Fer deal arguing over a downpayment of £1.8M?
Alex Mullan
597 Posted 09/05/2013 at 02:15:28
Id like someone non-British or Irish for once. I feel we have gained a dour reputation over the years due to the epic dullness of Walter Smith and Moyes. I am sick of seeing Everton linked with random SPL players and the likes of McFaddon and Naismith. I genuinely fear Lennon, Lambert, MacKay, Lambert or O'Neill may happen.

I just want to see some bloody flair for once! I can't take it anymore, its so fucking boring watching us play 1 up front week in week out no matter who we are up against!

John Maxwell
599 Posted 09/05/2013 at 02:26:33
Good call Ian #583, its time for Barry Rathbone #549 to name his man.

Over to you Barry, you said you want Everton to win the league, so who is the man who can bring the trophy to Goodison ?

Peter Thistle
603 Posted 09/05/2013 at 02:46:12
Laudrup seems like an honourable fella so I can't imagine he'd leave Swansea in the lurch after just signing a 1 year extension, shame really cos he would bring something interesting to EFC. Whatever happens I hope we don't get a relegation fighting manager, that's hardly a great CV, surely we can do better.
Paul Ferry
604 Posted 09/05/2013 at 02:50:51
Laudrup, Zola, Oporto fella, Malaga fella please


1st cho
ice Laudrup

Rich Williams
605 Posted 09/05/2013 at 03:02:31
Some good points re: lack of planning. Top businesses always have a successor lined up. I can see a summer of embarrassment as Laudrup, Martinez, Bilic all turn us down and we settle for Stubbs/Irvine. It is not an enticing job. Join a club that is punching above its weight and the only way is down - no thx.
Patrick Nolan
608 Posted 09/05/2013 at 02:52:55
Is there any way to get Moyes to take Kenwright with him? The wrong man is leaving the club.

Nobody will be able to do a better job than Moyes and very few could even come close to matching what he's achieved... especially considering how BK and his board ru(i)n the club. If these guys can't balance the books or attract any investment in 14 years, then they're clearly crap at their jobs.

Chris Matheson... you hit the nail on the head.

Roman Sidey
614 Posted 09/05/2013 at 03:37:45
James Stewart, I'm not having a go, but to say Swansea have been garbage at times doesn't really disqualify Laudrup any more than not winning anything disqualifies Moyes from being put in for United. Swansea, for all their hype, have fairly average players with maybe three or four decent ones. They've achieved above their level, just like a lot of people say Everton have.
Jim Harrison
622 Posted 09/05/2013 at 04:36:11
Laudrup would do the job for me, god help us if Hughes is considered!
John Ford
626 Posted 09/05/2013 at 04:56:40
Villa, Sunderland Newcastle here we come.

Just think we may even end up as one of those teams less enlightened posters see playing grand football for a month with a great win at Highbury or somewhere, and think we're the next big thing. Then we dissapear out of sight and churn out benign season after benign season.. But it's ok cos we'll have two strikers up front, a brainless whippet on the wing and someone with all important 'passion' in charge.

Leave the club Bill. Don't rely on another mug to protect you.

John Ford
627 Posted 09/05/2013 at 05:15:07
I'd like a foreign appointment. Someone proven in spotting good young talent who could bring a load of seventeen year old Iniesta protégés with em.

Not much to ask, surely?

Phil Sammon
646 Posted 09/05/2013 at 06:06:49
I've heard pundits have a go at Chelsea for not getting behind Benitez. I too, thought the booing had gone on too long. But I must say, if we got Hughes I would be exactly the same. I just couldn't take a disrespectful mug like that at the helm of my club.

And Laudrup...he's good, I like him, but it would be for 2 years maximum. He already sees himself as a top manager and wants to be in the CL.

I have absolutely no faith in Kenwright.

Lewis Barclay
658 Posted 09/05/2013 at 07:05:13
With potentially £4mil a season on offer I think we can draw up a short list of very interested parties! Whether they're any good is another matter.

I think it stands to reason that we need to try and tempt someone in who has a clear goal of getting us into the CL on a limited budget. There could be considerable opportunity to do that in the next few years with AF leaving Utd and the top six to eight teams all taking points off each other.

Let's face it, the team needs some restructuring and we need someone to come in and do it quickly and well without losing any ground.

Having said all that, I can see someone like Solskayer being appointed maybe with Neville as his 2nd with a view that Neville is a long term replacement.


Personally I'd like to see Bilic and Duncan Ferguson say on the touch line barking orders!

Richard Dodd
660 Posted 09/05/2013 at 06:49:46
Disappointed as I am that Moyes is leaving, I do hope that once his replacement is named we will all get behind him and not pre-judge him even before he starts.

The division in opinion about Moyes always seemed to be illogical and unfair. I do think many got bored with having one-man to blame for so long and, at least, the script has now changed.

But who knows? After all that stability, Kenwright may now take the Chelsea/Wolves approach and go for three or four managers a season! That way, the MOB (Manager Out Brigade) can be drip fed someone to destroy knowing that their wish for change will be rewarded almost at a whim!

Exciting times.

Sam Hoare
661 Posted 09/05/2013 at 06:57:25
There's a lot of uninspiring managers out there and no-one to my mind who would be both obtainable and proven at this level.

I think Laudrup feels like an attractive choice but he's pretty untested and I'm not totally convinced he would come.

Pereira and Montanier are very intriguing options but foreign coaches are always quite high risk in the Premier League.

I'm not sure I'm advocating such an unpalatable choice but, all personal feelings aside, Benitez would be... no I can't even write it.

My money is on a relegated Martinez, who I'm far from convinced by but would at least bring a pretty type of football.

Big decision, BK. Don't screw it up!

Lewis Barclay
667 Posted 09/05/2013 at 07:18:03
Can I just be the first to say:

"Laudrup out!"

Gavin Ramejkis
668 Posted 09/05/2013 at 07:15:30
It's here again: the "man of integrity and honour" crap – FFS, they are football managers on a really good screw, they haven't solved world hunger or found a cure for cancer!

That line always pisses me off: 'honourable' about what? Earning £65k a week and saying fuck all about the clowns in charge?

It's a business and it's a job. Hopefully the new employee will be value for money and not a loss.

Kevin Day
669 Posted 09/05/2013 at 07:21:41
I think Mr Kenwright will be manager next season, with our best players possibly leaving, with little money to spend, why would an ambitious manager want come here with him in control.

Anyway, Laudrup would be good, I would still prefer Poyet.

Mike Green
672 Posted 09/05/2013 at 07:29:10
Richard #660 - assuming he goes I have never seen a reference from Moyes that he might leave due to not being wanted by the fans. He's not been pushed out - he's leaving out of choice to a job he has has designs on and coveted for years. If you want to blame anyone blame the board.

As for the new man - play good football, get results, respect the club and the fans and they'll respect you back in spades. Its not rocket science is it.

Mark Palmer
675 Posted 09/05/2013 at 07:34:25
Chris at 487 makes a good point. Laudrup may be a good choice but being a true European, he won't stay long. Martinez is my choice. Playing his way with Everton standard players and we'll be fine. We should take a long term view. Not as if we have any titles to defend, anyway. And Martinez seems a decent bloke too.
James Morgan
677 Posted 09/05/2013 at 07:32:35
I wonder if Pellegrini would come...
Ian Smith
689 Posted 09/05/2013 at 07:44:50
Compared to some if the dross mentioned laudrup isn't a bad shout. However, do we really want someone in charge who has allowed the alarming drop in form Swansea have shown since they won the cherrybakewell cup? A hungry manager would want to push on and progress from that, something which I havnt seen from laudrup. Who ever comes in will have big boots to fill. Over to you mr kenwright....
Andrew Clare
712 Posted 09/05/2013 at 08:12:45
I just hope that we appoint someone in good time to build for the new season. I am afraid that our board seem to have no idea. We need a strong personality in charge of the club, as we haven't got that then we need a strong manager who can take us places and represent the club in the right way.
This board worry me, we have had a negative manager for 11 years without a trophy which they the board have seemed happy with so what do we expect next. I wish they would all leave and be replaced by people with a plan
Peter Laing
722 Posted 09/05/2013 at 08:22:41
One thing for sure whoever is appointed will be a major gamble the factor being = the stagnation on the board and lack of financial support. They will have to adopt Moyes modus operandi, selling a player every couple of years to survive. That is why I would be looking overseas and finding a manager who can look beyond these shores for potential recruitments in South America, Spain, Belguim etc etc
Eric Holland
768 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:03:48
Plan B anyone????
James Stewart
771 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:05:15
I can't believe some people would want Martinez. He is a about to take Wigan down.
Stuart Gray
789 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:30:56
The reason why Martinez might work is because he already has a decent team. He might be able to use some of those young players people always go on about and make us better. But the fact is, it doesn't matter who we get in because there are no guarantees of success without money.

That's where Moyes has succeeded.

Chris Leyland
791 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:36:44
At least with Martinez we will go from KITAP to KISACS - keep it slack and concede shed-fulls. His goal difference in his 4 seasons at Wigan is minus 269
Barry Rathbone
793 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:07:42
Clive @551 and Ian@ 583, sorry for the late reply only just re-read the post... Martinez for me he knows the Prem and is the only manager since Keegan at Newcastle to build from rubble with arguably a better model at Swansea.

Much is made of Wigan's plight but that is to not understand football Wigan are Blackpool, Burnley, Preston etc - just not a Premier club. Nonetheless he's met huge challenges against all the odds and won through - something desperately missing from our club since big Joe.

I always look beyond stats because they're invariably used to talk bollocks and Martinez is an impressively optimistic manager despite the overwhelming constraints of being at Wigan.

He doesn't sulk and mope around and would be a breath of fresh air after 11 years of mostly purgatory a bit of belief wouldn't go amiss among many of the faithful presently indoctrinated by mediocrity and lack of ambition.

He is the antithesis of what we've had and would address our big problem - being predictable. We have enough "work ethic" hoof it boys on the staff to coach defensive gubbins till hell freezes over - time to address our problems this is a huge opportunity and Martinez is the man.

Jon Withey
795 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:33:43
It doesn't take a massive leap of imagination to see Fellaini and Baines following, I guess they'll fund the next managers choices. But just imagine Hughes or O'Neill coming in and peeing that limited cash down the drain with flavours of the month. Sadly I think this is our time to re-join the relegation->mid-table league again. I'm gutted to be honest.

Careful what you wish for.

Kevin Tully
797 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:32:35
You get the feeling that appointing a new manager will be as protracted as all of our transfers.

We should be setting a target for the new manager to be in place for the end of this month. Even these dopey fuckers must have had a shortlist drafted when Moyes refused to sign a new contract.

We want to get Fellaini out of the door for £25m, and anyone else who is not fully committed.

The new man needs to identify his targets, and try and get as much business done as possible before pre-season.

Alternatively, we are looking at players leaving last minute, no decent replacements, and the new manager left wondering what the fuck he has signed up for before the season has started.

Mat Fearon
799 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:42:08
That's right Barry, the stats are meaningless aren't they? "11 years of purgatory"......What utter nonsense. Yes, you are right, lets go for a man who is about to get his club relegated. Good shout.....
Chris Leyland
800 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:40:57
Barry- fantastic, lets ignore the stats as they 'talk bollocks' if only the Premier League didn't operate using those pesky stats like how many points teams get over the course of a season then he would be the best manager around. As for Martinez being an 'impressively optimistic manager' well he needs to be doesn't he as he has produced a team that invariably loses most games it plays. Ooops there I go again using those bloody stats.

Your argument seems to be - after 11 years of accepting mediocrity and lack of ambition let's go for someone who personifies something below being mediocre and who operates on the sole ambition of avoiding being relegated on the final day of the season every year

Mat Fearon
801 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:46:04
I also find it astonishing that a numbers of those who have been slagging of Moyes are now saying Martinez is the man......do we want a manager whose club is (probably) going to be relegated? Oh but of course, their style of football is better than ours....well lets go for it then.
Nick Entwistle
803 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:49:10
Think of all those Wigan type teams who were able to reach mid table, sometimes higher... at least once! Sometimes twice. Wigan have neither been exciting or good.

Simply passing the ball around isn't going to get our team into top 4.

Barry Rathbone
804 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:47:18
Mat, thanks for that.

Is there something in the water that affects you Moyes boys vision or are you just so thick you can't read properly?

Read it again don't put your own bias in and have a glass of milk - it's like an epidemic with you boys.

Nick Entwistle
806 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:53:24
Just did Barry, and it gets worse. If you want a breath of fresh air, buy some Fabreeze.
Barry Rathbone
808 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:55:24
Nick, but I asked for personal bias to be left out ... sorry mate probably a bridge to far for your good self.
Geoff Trenner
809 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:56:27
Peter Reid - nailed on!
James Stewart
810 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:53:28
Martinez is very lucky to even be linked with the job in my opinion. Likeable guy yes but thats as far as it goes. Would you really want an optimistic Martinez grinning in the press conference after we had just been thrashed by the RS?

Wigan don't play good football that is a myth. Aside from beating us they have been dire all season pretty much. I'll give you he did start something at Swansea but every manager since him has done better there than he managed. We are one of the best jobs in the league we should be aiming higher than Mckay and Martinez.

Barry Rathbone
811 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:59:01
James your vote goes to and reasons why please?
Nick Entwistle
812 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:58:02
Alright, you want a guy who plays football the way its supposed to be played and who is constantly in danger of being relegated to take over because he's got a positive disposition.

You know its personal bias which makes you put his name forward don't you? Same with Anichebe in midfield. Everything is personal bias based on our perceptions and how we react to those.

If you want to convince, you've got to sell the product and you haven't.

Mat Fearon
815 Posted 09/05/2013 at 09:55:19
Barry. Nice personal comment. But just to set the record straight, unlike you, I was not in the "slow" class at school.More importantly, I have always taken a balanced view on Moyes, (unlike your good self). He has his good and bad points, but on balance has done an excellent job with very little funds. I agree at times he has been very focused on the defence, but earlier in the year we were playing some of the best attacking football I have seen for years. My point is that you are now jumping on the Martinez bandwagon, and ignoring the fact, (but facts are not that important eh), that there is a very good chance that Wigan will get relegated. Seems very odd to me.
Sam Hoare
836 Posted 09/05/2013 at 10:26:35
Some classic Rathbone on here. On the day Moyes may be appointed manager of arguably the biggest club in the world his tenure here is described as 'purgatory'! Genius!
David Chait
846 Posted 09/05/2013 at 10:41:32
Moyes had a team no better than Wigan when he took over.. in no time he had us consistently top 6. Martinez has achieved consistency only in scraping out of relegation. This alone has caused me to shy away. We need more, we deserve more.
Barry Rathbone
862 Posted 09/05/2013 at 10:47:46
David Chait, one word "WayneRooney"

(see what I did there...hilarious)

Mat, so by suggesting earlier in the year we played some decent football by default the rest has been crap? in which case "nearly 11 years of purgatory" is a bullseye.

Nick I'm not interested in convincing anyone I was asked my opinion and as usual give it in a remarkably adroit way ... why you're all not thanking me is simply down to jealousy after all how long have I been saying Moyes contract saga was a ruse?

(checks mirror for gorgeousness)

Tony J Williams
875 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:05:41
Barry, out of curiosity, I had a quick look at Wigan's transfer deals from 2004 onwards. Makes interesting reading, not too dissimilar to ours and a few seasons spent quite a lot more than us.

What's this about Rooney, the £10m for two years? MAssive amount of difference that.

Nick Entwistle
885 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:20:59
And you gave it and now you're above all discussion on that opinion? All a bit of a flim flam Barry.

I don't think either that opinion on Moyes has any baring on Martinez.

Jim Knightley
890 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:15:27
We've played some good football under Moyes...and some poor football...but certainty not the consistent awful football some on here have suggested. Ultimately though, we've been consistent, and improved under Moyes with no money. Were we that dissimilar to the Wigan of this season when Moyes took over? a bit better of course...but we'd been involved at the wrong end of the table for a while.
The last five seasons our net spend is not dissimilar to Wigan (30,000 less). Again, that doesn't tell the whole story, as we had a better base five seasons ago...but how much has Martinez improved Wigan? no-one in this league has consistently improved a team like Moyes has, and that's why he is the third longest standing manager in the division, and will likely become manager of arguably the biggest team in the world in a few hours. I'm sad to see him go...but, it demonstrates what the pro-Moyes crowd have always argued: Moyes is a very good manager.

My primary issue with Martinez however, is the defensive inability of his teams. Attacking football is nice...but attacking football is no that hard to play. We want attacking winning football...and has Martinez ever consistently achieved that in this league? Why can't he motivate his team beyond two months of every season? A long-standing complaint about Moyes was an inability for us to get going till Christmas...or January...but we are going to bring in a manager whose team only gets going in the spring?

This season, Wigan have put on some of the most tactically inept defensive displays the league has seen. Tuesday was a prime example...they were missing defenders, but their positioning, and the individual mistakes, were unforgivable. We have done so well in this league because of a good defensive backbone. If we want to improve our attacking football, we must do so whilst retaining our defensive solidarity (As we have this season), because in the likes of Baines, Jags, Distin, and increasingly, Coleman, we have our best unit. Personally, for that reason, I'd prefer Laudrup. He has done well in this league, and abroad, and importantly, has been impressive in the transfer market. Would Swansea have got Hernandez in without him? no way. That lure could be invaluable for us.

Personally, Laudrup tops my list. If we went abroad, then Vitor Pereira. If we got Martinez, I don't think he would cause us to drop away drastically, but I think we would go from top 6 contenders, to higher mid-table, albeit whilst scoring more goals. The likes of Mark Hughes, O'Neil, Lennon...must be absolute no goes.

Brent Stephens
893 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:32:22
Barry, why don't you try using punctuation. We might (I say "might") understand your ramblings.
Barry Rathbone
898 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:29:37
Tony J, are you dismissing Rooney's on pitch influence AND hinting 10 million is of no consequence? (sure we sold Rooney for more than that).

It's this simple if you don't see the difference between us and Wigan there's no more to be said.

Nick to use your favorite phrase "I don't understand" I just think Martinez is a good manager for the reasons above.

Barry Rathbone
899 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:38:54
Brent, I don't think you will.
Brent Stephens
901 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:40:18
Haha! Barry. I get it.
Nick Entwistle
903 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:39:58
Good? We don't need good, we need a lot better than good. Tends to be that way when you're in 6th looking to top teams with the money.

Martinez is good, but he's no great shakes either.

Steve Ferns
905 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:37:40
Why us no one else suggesting Bielsa? Of course kenwright has probably never heard of him but why not spell it out for him.

Bielsa the guy who managed Argentina when they scored that goal with over 50 passes. The guy who managed everyone's favourite second team, chile, in World Cup 10. The guy who managed Bilbao when they destroyed united. The guy who taught Guardiola everything he knows. The guy who pochetino and others are unabashed disciples of. The guy who invented the style of play used by barca, Dortmund and the like. The most innovative tactician in the game.

Why would he come to Everton? Well it's all gone wrong at Bilbao and as they can't buy anyone, it's best to let him leave and start again. Bielsa prefers smaller clubs where he can stamp himself all over the club. He doesn't like adapting to a club, the club adapts to him.

Lets shout for Bielsa from the rooftops and maybe kenwright will listen. Lets get El loco.

Tony J Williams
907 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:42:23
Read again Barry, The £10m for two years, we got two £10m installments and pocket change when he started to get his shiny medals.

The biggest difference is that within a few seasons, Moyes took a team that just missed the drop into Europe, within a few seasons Martinez, almost had his own Rooney when he sold Valencia for £16m, spent £13m the next season, £10m the year after, with £9.5m for N'Zogbia and £9m this season after getting £10m for Victor Moses......yet he is still in another relegation battle and looks like he is going to lose this one.

James McPherson
908 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:49:53
Just heard from an insider that it will be Phil Neville. I am sorry to be the bearer of such news. And I hope that I am wrong. However, this guy knows all the players personally and he's raraely wrong - has been mind once or twice, but rare. It may add some perspective to the list of names being bandied around.

They do say be careful what you wish for.

Moyes grew stale of us, I grew stale of him. We needed change - but not to Neville.

It is Kenwright that has to go. But hey, who does not know that.

Jamie Barlow
909 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:43:32
How about a DreamTeam of Martinez and Neville?
Tony J Williams
910 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:53:45
Has Neville got his badges yet?.......badges? badges?.....we don't need no stinking badges..
Paul Andrews
914 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:52:18
Steve Ferns,

Bielsa is a great shout,his players would run through a brick wall for him as well as a fantastic work ethic, and a football philosophy of pacy attacking football.
If you don't ask,you don't get.

Paul David
915 Posted 09/05/2013 at 11:54:06
James

Please, please, please let your mate be wrong. Think i'll cry if its true.

James McPherson
924 Posted 09/05/2013 at 12:07:17
As an Evertonian for 40+ years, I know the pain and heartache we have suffered thru rumour, built up hopes and dashed aspirations. Therefore reflected on whether or not to post the contribution - given it's topical and should happen today - opted to mail it. I hope I am wrong. But for this guy to be wrong is rare. Let's hope it is the 1 in 100 times he does not call it right. Sorry. I am as gutted as you.
Harold Matthews
926 Posted 09/05/2013 at 12:05:03
After watching all this Fergie stuff I want someone with the same knowledge, passion and drive. Laudrup is too quiet and is probably not hungry enough.
Chris Keightley
928 Posted 09/05/2013 at 12:16:24
No ones mentioned Di Matteo - he plays a brand of soccer I love has won the champions league and is young and hungry - and probably has good links to some good players !!
Kev Johnson
930 Posted 09/05/2013 at 12:13:34
Steve @ 905. I'm with you on Bielsa. Bilbao's performance against Man Utd the season before last was staggeringly, stunningly good. I don't know whether he'd be interested in coming, or whether we could afford him, but he is a top manager.
David Chait
933 Posted 09/05/2013 at 12:12:42
If it is Neville I'm claiming it... I will dig up my post and display it for the world to see....
Shane Corcoran
934 Posted 09/05/2013 at 12:23:25
Why would Laudrup leave Swansea for Everton?
James McPherson
940 Posted 09/05/2013 at 12:34:48
Shane, only for an away fixture - well for next season at least. Season after that - who knows - we may bge in separate divisions.
Craig Walker
946 Posted 09/05/2013 at 12:40:34
If we get Laudrup then I'd be happy. Bilic would be good too. The other foreign names mentioned I don't know much about. I think Martinez would be good at Everton as well and would get us playing football.

Definitely don't want any of the following:-

Round, Weir, Stubbs, Neville
Lennon
Allerdyce
Redknapp
O'Neill
McLaren
Hughes,Mackay,McCarthy

Greg Lambden
950 Posted 09/05/2013 at 12:40:57
No chance - having just won a trophy, European footy next season & signed a new deal, EFC would be a very tough sell. No amount of Kenwright tears & stories of the boys pen would get this man in the door in my opinion!

Probably end up with a Mark Hughes reject type.....

Andrew Grey
953 Posted 09/05/2013 at 12:42:48
Yes (well maybe not yes but I wouldn't be too upset!) - Bilic, solskjaer, Martinez,

Hmm - Laudrup, Eddie Howe, Maybe too early for Big Dunc and Neville.

NONONO - Hughes, O'neill, Allardyce, Bruce, Megson and all the other also rans.

Jon Withey
960 Posted 09/05/2013 at 12:52:17
TBH, if it were a manager from outside the club, I'd like to see Neville as assistant, or Stubbs or similar. One thing I've loved about the Moyes era was the lack of tolerance for fools (Drenthe etc.) and I think Neville was a part of that.

Watching QPR was almost a blueprint of what I never want EFC to become, full of mercenaries.

Ross Edwards
965 Posted 09/05/2013 at 13:01:03
Delighted with Laudrup. Bilic, Solkjaer and Martinez not bad either. Zola? Poyet? Not bad shouts.
Still unsure over this Periera bloke.
I wouldn't mind a punt at Frank de Boer. He's had to raise all of the Ajax squad almost through thr ranks and sold them for big profits, maybe he could do the same for us. He might unearth a new Rooney or Cruyff!
James McPherson
971 Posted 09/05/2013 at 13:04:34
Ross, do not wish to be rude, fellow evertonian and all that - but - are you for real?
Ross Edwards
972 Posted 09/05/2013 at 13:07:07
Well, I'm not virtual James...
Anthony O'Brien
988 Posted 09/05/2013 at 13:11:32
I would like someone like Di Matteo,billic or maybe Zola. We need a good young fresh manager that goes out to win matches, my knock on Moyes always way that he played not to lose even at home againt inferior opposition and was slow to drop players who were not performing. After 11yrs under Moyes I think we now crave excitement let's face it we ain't winning much with our budget and I'd take mid table playing the rite way with some young exciting/flair players like the Swansea and Southampton's do . But in saying all this I see us messing it up and appointing some has been ol skool hard working manager just like Moyes !!
Ross Edwards
991 Posted 09/05/2013 at 13:23:05
Why haven't people mentioned Frank de Boer yet? People want the Porto manager but are ignoring de Boer who has won 3 Eredivisie titles in 3 years, bringing some great players like Vertonghen, Van der Wiel, Cristian Eriksen.
Harold Matthews
011 Posted 09/05/2013 at 13:42:31
sounds good Ross
Nick Entwistle
017 Posted 09/05/2013 at 13:52:30
De Boer is a good shout, but he's at his first love club and has a long term plan to get them back to the top of Europe... he hopes. Everton won't be for him.

And why Zola? Are Watford playing some great inventive football, because as far as I know Steve Bruce just out performed the little man with Hull.

Gavin Ramejkis
466 Posted 09/05/2013 at 17:22:36
Anyone remember Wally's parting gift was finding Gollum, do you reckon the "man of honour" will bother his arse to do the same?
Stuart Mitchell
490 Posted 09/05/2013 at 17:49:51
I think it will be Vitor Pereira and his odds are down to 4/1 with Martinez odds getting longer.
Marc Sansum
527 Posted 09/05/2013 at 18:25:31
The thing i'm worried about, is that Laudrup, Martinez, the porto guy.....all will require significant compensation IF they were interested.
Which makes me think we'll be looking at the out of work managers firstly.....

So, Mcleish, Mclaren, O'neill, Hughes......What a scary list

Mark Pierpoint
547 Posted 09/05/2013 at 18:52:36
Can't believe that nobody has mentioned Steve Round. I think that in the haze of the Moyes golden years in peoples mind then Kenwright will take the safe option and look for him.
Ross Edwards
558 Posted 09/05/2013 at 19:00:11
I'm surprised that Frank de Boer isn't on the list. He would have got some votes in the poll I'm sure.
James Martin
565 Posted 09/05/2013 at 19:03:11
Why Laudrup? He's verged from the sublime to the ridiculous this season - from early complaints by his own players over his management style - to winning a trophy - to putting in the most negative defensive display I've seen at Goodison this season - to winning some big aways - to slumping after the Carling Cup. Would he get us top 4? I think we could do better - probably won't be able to afford the compo either.
Eugene Ruane
573 Posted 09/05/2013 at 19:05:06
Just had a look at the 'Who do you want as manager?' poll.

I (like many it seems) would, given the choice, go for Laudrup.

However, this is down to BK, so as Steve Round has 1% and Mark Hughes 0%, my guess is it'll be one of them.

Gerard Quinn
613 Posted 09/05/2013 at 19:34:55
Anyone else think Martin Jol would be a good shout?
Gerry Quinn
657 Posted 09/05/2013 at 20:01:03
Agree with Martin Jol - likeable guy, cousin Gerard. ....and why has no-one blamed Hibbo for all of this?
Phil Sammon
678 Posted 09/05/2013 at 20:22:16
If we have to go for someone out of work then it has to be Di Matteo over that lot. And I'm not all that keen on Di Matteo to be honest.
Mike Hughes
711 Posted 09/05/2013 at 20:30:53
I've got a horrible feeling it'll be HK Mk 4. Or someone who generates a reaction along the lines of HK Mk3: underwhelming. (No disrespect to HK but you know what I mean).

We've all seen this coming since January so no excuse for no Plan B. Agree with previous post that the Phil Neville situation and Moyes "wait for Europe" stance all seem a bit suspicious now.

The TW New Manager poll lists about 15-20 candidates. Even TonyPulis is quoted on Paddy Power. There can only be half a dozen from that list to be considered. Most are uninspiring even on a webpage.

I doubt progress would be made with Mark Hughes and the like. You'd have to be a bit of a fuckwit to consider MH et al.

I don't know who but we need somebody who is on an upward curve in their reputation / career / experience.

I think we may see Everton's first foreign coach whoever it is.

Worried of Wirral.

Peter Laing
712 Posted 09/05/2013 at 20:58:56
Neil Lennon is out I. Front with all the bookies - what a horrible thought
Gerry Quinn
715 Posted 09/05/2013 at 21:01:59
Joe Royle? Now there's a lovable guy
Mike Hughes
721 Posted 09/05/2013 at 21:06:58
Peter@712
Just looked on Paddy Power and you're right about Lennon - he' the favourite.
What happened there?

Very Worried of Wirral.

Jamie Sweet
787 Posted 09/05/2013 at 21:58:16
What about the special one?

When I read down the list on the toffeeWeb poll - the only ones I think I could warm to were not from the British Isles. The likes of Lennon, O'Neill, Hughes just left me stone cold. Time for a bit of European flair at the Old Lady I feel.

Big Dunc one day maybe but certainly not yet.

Please don't fuck this up Bill.

Clayton Harding
825 Posted 09/05/2013 at 22:52:08
My top 4, for whats it's worth... in no particular order:

Mark Hughes
Michael Laudrup
Nigel Adkins
Steve Clarke

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