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Expected Fellaini and Baines links surface

10/05/2013 | Comments (50)
David Moyes could be looking to tempt both Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines to Manchester United when he takes the reins at Old Trafford this summer, report the Daily Mail.

Both players have been linked with the newly re-crowned Champions in the past and it would be no surprise if Moyes signaled his desire to link up again with two of his best signings in his time at Everton.

Though Everton are believed to have issued a hands-off warning to United regarding Baines, there have been no suggestions thus far of any agreement between Bill Kenwright and Moyes - formal or otherwise - preventing the Scot from poaching Everton's best talent.

If there is any truth to this very early and entirely predictable speculation, it would take something in the region of £40m to land the pair, with Fellaini valued around £25 and Baines around £17m according to this report.

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Sam Hoare
077 Posted 10/05/2013 at 08:21:24
Our top scorer/runner and our top creator. Hopefully the next man in would get the bulk of the money and spend it wisely.
Chester Barnes
086 Posted 10/05/2013 at 08:33:25
A huge if, but if we did get £40m for them and a new manager saw at least £25m I'd be ok with this. Pat Nevin kindly highlighted what Baines does so well and I'd fully expect any decent manager to make his team aware of this, thus potentially nullifying the Baines' effect. Oh well. Two doses of the silly season for us this summer. Be good to get a manager with a completely different approach whilst maintaining our league position
Ray Robinson
094 Posted 10/05/2013 at 08:43:34
I'd let Fellaini go for that amount. He's occasionally brilliant but distinctly average much of the time. He might fit in well at United but I have the feeling that he would slow their attacking style down too much.

However, we'd really miss Baines. Only let him go, if we can get Danny Rose from Tottenham and make money on the deal to boot.

Steve Guy
110 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:07:19
Problem with all this is we are turning into a proper feeder club for Manure. This would mean the three best players we have had in last 10 years gone their way plus our manager, we got Phil Neville and Tim Howard.

Worse still, we have Elstone and Kenwright negotiating the fees

Anthony Jaras
111 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:11:22
Fuck Off Moyes - Have some respect and leave Baines alone!
Thomas Windsor
126 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:14:43
After 11 years Moyes has left us with only have 3 players that you could sell Fellaini Jagielka and Baines , that would bring us any real money in.

All 3 of them should be sold to bring in money for the new manager to spend on new players
While we have Anichibe playing upfront we will never go anywhere and as for Naismith he should be sold or given away now.

Ian Pilkington
129 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:21:11
Fellaini was always expected to leave with his reputed £23M Champions League exit clause.
Baines would be far harder to replace and if Kenwright has any gumption -which seems highly unlikely - he should warn Moyes that a transfer to Manchester United for Baines would be out of the question.That's the least Moyes owes Everton as it seems quite clear he must have known Ferguson had lined him up as his successor months ago.
Denis Richardson
139 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:35:46
If 40m was offered for the pair - bite their arm off! Asssuming the new man was given most of the cash to reinvest in the squad, I think this would be a great deal for us.

Baines is quality but I'd not begrudge him going to a club the size of united. He's given us 6 good years and at 28 years old, he's probably at his most valuable right now.
Personally I'd sell fellaini for 25m+ and keep baines until he retires, however I can see Baines wanting to follow Moyes to united and if that's the case there's nothing much everton will be able to do.
If we could get Hernandez from them that would be bonus.

James Byrne
143 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:42:20
We're doomed aren't we!

The departure of Moyse was always going to send our great club backwards; I'm not particularly bothered that he's gone and tbh I wish him all the best. The problem we have is that the club will now lose some of it's best players and any transfer money we receive will get swamped into the Everton debt.

Watching BK on the news describe his thoughts on Davey boy leaving was fucking pathetic; the stupid big lump was almost in tears. Who on earth will take BK and his cronies serious in the near future. The club has lost all manner of leadership and integrity now that Moyse has gone!

John Keating
152 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:59:32
I think whether Moyes stayed or went Fellaini was going.
Moyes staying I believe we would have kept Baines, Moyes going well..........at the end of the day it will be Baines who decides whether he goes or not.
It must be tempting for him if he does get the offer to go to Utd with the opportunity to win things and at the same time up his dosh !
It's just a case of how much we can get to go into next years " other operating costs "
David Gallant
160 Posted 10/05/2013 at 10:21:45
I don't think Moyes will go for Fellaini but Baines on the other hand . . . At last we begin to understand the thinking in bringing Oviedo to the club.
Jon Ferguson
211 Posted 10/05/2013 at 11:13:30
Felliani was also going to leave this summer, Baines was likely to as well. If we get 40mil for them both that's okay. They are both massive losses.

I expect Heitinga to go as well and with Moyes and Neville's wages off the bill, that's 6 of our top 8 outgoings on wages gone.

With the transfer cash, TV money and our reduced wage bill, you would hope we'd have 50 mil to spend on transfers.

We have a strong base and potentially the top youngster in the country ready for his career defining season. This was the right time for Moyes to go. We need to choose the right manager who will take what he has and use the only considerable chunk of transfer money he's likely to get as Everyon manager to improve the squad.

Maybe I'm naive, but I'm optermistic. We just need to get the right manager.

Alasdair Mackay
223 Posted 10/05/2013 at 11:28:55
What Chester Barnes said.
Jim Pearce
230 Posted 10/05/2013 at 11:29:16
Fellaini, 1 good game in 4, is instantly replacable if he were to go for the kind of money being talked about

The trap the majority of football fans fall into, is looking at what the current players bring to the team, and assuming that no one else will be able to fill that role

We didn't let in copious amounts of goals down our left hand side before Baines cemented his place there

Neither did we stop scoring goals, or have players not providing assists prior to Baines playing

The world goes on, a decent LB will not win us the league,will not get us into a CL spot nor will he stop us conceeding goals or stop creating them on his own.We know that were need a minimum of 2 new men up top, another creative player behind them, a game changing CM and maybe a LB replacement

If he were to go, we are allowed still to replace him and have 11 players on the pitch at the start of every game....

Look, I love Baines as much as the next blue, and whilst I agree he has been awesome, we are not talking about a Messi or a Ronaldo

Utd would still score goals without RVP, someone else would take up the mantle and the responsibility, life goes on

Kevin Byrne
232 Posted 10/05/2013 at 11:30:48
Jon how can you be optimistic with the chairman we have? I see us back in bottom of the table next season and fighting relagation the following year.I don't think any other manager can achieve what DM achieved with the funds affored to him.
Jon Ferguson
288 Posted 10/05/2013 at 12:31:11
Kevin - it's a crucial time because we have to get the right man to replace Moyes. But if we get the right man there is room for optermism.

We will lose two very good players but I think we'll get top money for them, giving the new manager the chance to build on a strong base of a squad.

I have the up most respect for Moyes but have felt this was the tight time for him to go. The right manager with the opportunity to put his stamp on the club, I think as fans we should be excited about that.

Nick Millington
299 Posted 10/05/2013 at 12:49:36
If Moyes is the gentleman Kenright says he is, surely he will agree not to try and unsettle Baines
Ernie Baywood
310 Posted 10/05/2013 at 12:58:43
How exactly did the "hands off warning to Utd" go? Was it Moyes talking to himself? Or Kenwright to his own manager over a cuppa?

Obviously the report is talking shite. But it does highlight the absurdity of Moyes still being here.

Carl Bloxam
323 Posted 10/05/2013 at 13:01:24
If Baines goes we might as well sell Pienar as well. Those two work well together but Pienar doesn't look half the player when not combining with LB. Fellaini won't go as he has had a poor second half of the season and no one will want to pay enough. Interesting to see if Jelavic can find form under a new manager. Quite excited by this actually. Lets see what a fresh direction brings us.
David King
327 Posted 10/05/2013 at 13:07:40
I expect a great performance against West Ham on Sunday,they will all be playing for a place in the Man.U. squad!
Paul Ellam
357 Posted 10/05/2013 at 13:23:59
£40 million for both? Got to say, I would miss Baines but that is a good deal for us! I would "reluctantly" agree to the sales as long as we could put the majority of it back into the squad.
Prefer we sold Fellaini for £25m and get Lescott, Fer and Negredo in for a similar price as well as keep Baines.
Guy Hastings
388 Posted 10/05/2013 at 13:42:56
If he does come in for Fellaini and/or Baines I wouldn't be surprised if Zaha on loan is thrown in as part of the deal (unless it was Moyes who tipped SAF the wink last January). On his day he's unbelievably good and would make a decent replacement for Pienaar who looks as though he's lost a yard but no-one's bothered to tell him.
Ralph Basnett
431 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:31:43
Why is story bollox?

25 + 17 = 42!!!!!!!!!

Eric Myles
447 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:37:55
Jim#230, if Fellaini only has 1 good game in 4 why do you think he would go for the fantasy money being talked about?

Can't see him being of any use to United even with Moyes as manager.

John #211 50 mill for transfers, I hope what your on is pharmaceutical?

Jim Knightley
452 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:37:37
This story has no factual basis...it's just an assumption. Evra is old, United are weak in central midfield, and Baines and Fellaini are two of Everton's best players. Personally, I think Fellaini will go to United, or City, or Chelski or abroad, and we will get most, if not all of the assumed 25million to spend. I think Baines will stay because no club will pay around 20mil for a left back, who whilst essential to us, may not be so much so for other clubs. And Chester, I don't think Pat Nevin has just made everyone aware of what Baines does. Every management collective will look at threats before each match, and a couple of video re-runs of Baines will give anyone a representation of his threat. But stopping it, and his deliveries, is much harder than being aware of it.

I think we need to buy a striker firstly with Fellaini money. Spend a good 10-14million...look at Kone, Remy, Aubameyang or one of the impressive Eredivisie strikers. Then we'd need a central mid replacement (probaly need a couple). Obviously Fer seems a possibility. I'd also like to see us bring in another creative attacking wide mid to put pressure on Pienaar and allow Mirallas to chance positions (Maloney?) and a younger cb with whatever money I assume we will get from a departing Heitinga.

If expected, and Fellaini and Heitinga go, as well as Hitz and Neville, we will have some wages to play around with as well.

Jim Knightley
455 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:49:13
Jim, I think it's easy to underestimate Baines. Does anyone in this league create as many chances as him? does any left back defend as well as him anymore? He is so focal to what we do, and I think it would damage us immensely to lose him. Plus he is our current third top scorer... I don't think it would just be replacing him with a very good left back, but losing the player who creates most chances, and arguably has the best delivery in the entire division.
Jim Pearce
483 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:00:32
Jim #445

I agree with you, and the stats don't lie with regards to his contribution.However, the lions share of chances he is making aren't being finished due to the fact we have a Jelavic down on his luck, a Vic who is so hit and miss its untrue and a Naismith who frankly shouldn't be there

I would happily see us take the £17m quoted for Baines (Sadly I don't think it would be that much for 1 minute) and reinvested into a quality striker and a creative midfielder, along with an 'adequate; LB replacement

You look at any of the successful teams in history, people don't tend to remember the quality of the full/wing backs.They remember the striker who scored the 25+ that season, the midfielder who bossed box to box every game, the winger who cut defenders to shreds all season etc

I know he has been a massive part of our club these past few seasons, but I guess the point I am trying to get across is that we still leak goals for all his defending skills, and we don't score that many for all his goal scoring chances created.....so surely investment in the 'vital' areas makes more sense?

(I am almost arguing against myself, as in an ideal world of course I would like him to stay, and us still have £30m to invest, however, you and I both know that this is unlikely to be the case)

James Flynn
494 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:00:12
Moyes going or staying has nothing to do with Fella and Baines' imminent departures.

Wages is the determining factor, not who's managing Everton. And unless the ownership group that dumped Wayne Rooney is prepared to rupture the Club's salary structure to retain one or both of them, they're going.

The questions for the summer is how much in for them and how much of that the new guy gets to spend? With all the current uncertainty, our owners have to give the new man a substantial chunk to spend, don't they?

They can't be so brazen and to put most of the x-fer cash AND the TV money into OOCs (or whatever they call their cut off the top), can they?

They can't be.

Anyway, this is one summer we won't call dull.

Tim Locke
553 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:53:27
Are Man U turning into Everton. They take Rooney, followed by the manager, next baines and the big fella, and their biggest rivals are Liverpool: why don't they start playing in blue, call themselves the toffee's and change the name of the ground. Shocking
Richard Reeves
642 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:04:20
As much as I like Baines I wouldn't have a problem with selling him for big money as long as that money went to the next manager along with the Fellaini money.

If this board had any ambition then they would do everything they could to get Laudrup and if he was given the Baines and Fellaini money we would see some decent players coming in and I think some of the youngsters would get a chance.

Maybe Oviedo would jump into Bianes's position or Garbutt get a chance,maybe Stones would get the odd appearance as back up to Coleman,maybe Duffy will get the games a lot of people think he deserves and likewise with Barkley and Mceleny. All maybes but going by what he's done at Swansea and there brand of football I certainly think they would get more of a chance than under Moyes's control.
Howard Meakin
804 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:38:18
Take the £40mil and give it to the new manager, no need to pay off any debt what with the new sky deal. FFS get a bloody proper striker who can wear the no 9 shirt with confidence.
Harvey Miller
995 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:06:25
Moyes's first target will be Jags not Fellaini or Baines.
Clive Lewis
015 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:27:54
Well its interesting to see this article about the new United Chairman and that he is a man of money and accountancy. It seems that Fergie may know something we don't about this but it appears that he stated earlier that Man Utd and not going to spend lavishly.
The new Chairman is a Glazer man and this probably helped Ferguson decide it was time to hang up the hairdryer. Even though Utd don't have any money worries it could be a case that they don't spend loads. With the likes of Man City spending and Chelsea. It could suggest Fergie feels he really is too old for this now he has lost his only ally against the Glazer takeover if the is a true article.. It also seems the new guy is not as forgiving as Gill.
A major mistake for Moyes would be to sign Fellaini, This would have a detrimental effect on the way Manchester Utd play the game and could be a problem if results start to awry.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9884218/Manchester-United-owners-move-to-promote-Ed-Woodward-finalises-the-Glazerfication-of-Old-Trafford.html

Clive Lewis
020 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:35:44
Please ignore previous ......

Well its interesting to see this article about the new United Chairman and that he is a man of money and accountancy. It seems that Fergie may know something we don't about this, it appears that the new chairman stated earlier that Man Utd are not going to spend lavishly.
The new Chairman is a Glazer man and this probably helped Ferguson decide it was time to hang up the hairdryer. Even though Utd don't have any money worries, it could be a case that they don't spend loads. With the likes of Man City spending and Chelsea. It could suggest Fergie feels he really is too old for this now. He has lost his only ally against the Glazer takeover (Gill)

If the Article is a true, .. It also seems the new guy is not as forgiving as Gill.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9884218/Manchester-United-owners-move-to-promote-Ed-Woodward-finalises-the-Glazerfication-of-Old-Trafford.html

Dennis Stevens
024 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:40:27
My only concern is that top of Moyes list is bound to be Osman & he'll probably not pay over the odds for him either!
Clive Lewis
025 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:55:33
or Naismith apparently Everton have offered 2 million to take him.
Brendan McLaughlin
029 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:58:20
Feck
They are Moyes favourites...we're bound to get big money...surely? I mean Moyes always plays his favs so he's bound to take them with him...
Eugene Ruane
033 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:10:03
Maybe he won't take anyone.

http://www.mid-day.com/sports/2013/may/100513-ferguson-successor-Moyes-receives-death-threats-from-man-u-everton-fans-london.htm

(makes us here at TW look very reasonable)

Patrick Murphy
038 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:19:24
Eugene they've closed down that link - But it is not the sort of thing we want associated with our club.
Clive Lewis
053 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:59:25
Reading the comments on the article I posted, it seems that maybe Moyes has been put forward maybe because he works on a tight budget. Man Utd (Glazers) are really looking at a decent return financially. If this article and the comments made are true, It appears that this job is not the job it is cut out to be. I don't want to bang on about them too much, but really even though we have all slated BK for one reason and another, he really has shown that this has affected him as a lifelong Everton fan and there is truth in the fact that he probably does really want the best for Everton. I am seeing a diiferent side to Moyes a maybe devious side that I did not see before. Its strange what happens when high profile someone becomes. you really find out loads about them. I suspect maybe somone will spill the beans about this deal and when it was arranged, once he is a good distance from Goodison.
Brendan McLaughlin
060 Posted 11/05/2013 at 01:36:31
Clive #053
Bill..good. Moyes..bad. Clive...serious?
Eric Myles
062 Posted 11/05/2013 at 01:29:44
The departure of any of our players will not be dependent on Moyes but on how much our debt has increased and how much the banks and other sharks want paying back.
Ian Campbell
066 Posted 11/05/2013 at 02:02:14
Thomas Windsor (126) - Mirrallas?

How many players would we have sold for decent money when Moyes joined us?

Simonsen, Pistone, Weir, Unsworth Stubbs, Hibbert, Gravesen, Gemill, Carsley, Ferguson & Radzinski was our starting 11 for his first game - subs were Gerrard,Joe Max Moore, Blomqvist, Clarke & Chadwick.

Ian Campbell
067 Posted 11/05/2013 at 02:02:14
Thomas Windsor (126) - Mirrallas?

How many players would we have sold for decent money when Moyes joined us?

Simonsen, Pistone, Weir, Unsworth Stubbs, Hibbert, Gravesen, Gemill, Carsley, Ferguson & Radzinski was our starting 11 for his first game - subs were Gerrard,Joe Max Moore, Blomqvist, Clarke & Chadwick.

James Flynn
076 Posted 11/05/2013 at 03:00:55
Test
James Flynn
077 Posted 11/05/2013 at 03:01:11
Eugene (33) - Read the link. Yikes.

If only Mayweather didn't have it so easy. Just fist-fight em for an hour and it's all settled.

On the other hand, regarding the link you sent, the biggest bunch of whining cry-babies ever.

May we have so much to cry about.

David King
134 Posted 11/05/2013 at 09:10:27
Also think first target will be Jags
Chris Morris
137 Posted 11/05/2013 at 09:18:49
I think it'll be Ross Barkley before anyone else
James Martin
140 Posted 11/05/2013 at 09:15:08
Don't think he'll go in for Jags. Ferdinand, Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Jones. How many Centre Backs do you need? Don't think he'd buy Jags just to put him on the bench, only if one or two of the above leave. Even though Jagielka and Vidic would easily be the league's best pairing even if neither of them could bring it out of defence.

He may well take Baines, perhaps even Fellaini although I doubt it. least he wouldn't rip us off for them (you would hope). Besides people have been talking about the need for wholesale changes and whether you rate him or not Fellaini and Baines are the tactical cornerstones of this team. The formation is built to accomodate Fellaini, Jelavic's runs are to create space for him, the hoof from the back is to utilise his aerial presence, Baine sbeing asked to disregard all defensive duties is to service Fellaini.

If we want an Everton that is quick, thrilling, can play on the break, and score lots of goals then Fellaini probably doesn't fit into this and selling him may be the boost we need to remodel the team away from Moyes' image . The shame is I think Baines could play in any team regardless of their style, and who knows maybe he will, maybe Man U would have been the only place he might have gone and if Moyes does feel too loyal to take him we've just averted a transfer that may have happened under Ferguson.

Dennis Stevens
576 Posted 11/05/2013 at 19:06:02
I would hope Moyes may have some respect for his former club, James. However, we can't expect loyalty, he owes that to MUFC now.

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