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Expected Fellaini and Baines links surface
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Both players have been linked with the newly re-crowned Champions in the past and it would be no surprise if Moyes signaled his desire to link up again with two of his best signings in his time at Everton.
Though Everton are believed to have issued a hands-off warning to United regarding Baines, there have been no suggestions thus far of any agreement between Bill Kenwright and Moyes - formal or otherwise - preventing the Scot from poaching Everton's best talent.
If there is any truth to this very early and entirely predictable speculation, it would take something in the region of £40m to land the pair, with Fellaini valued around £25 and Baines around £17m according to this report.
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086 Posted 10/05/2013 at 08:33:25
094 Posted 10/05/2013 at 08:43:34
However, we'd really miss Baines. Only let him go, if we can get Danny Rose from Tottenham and make money on the deal to boot.
110 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:07:19
Worse still, we have Elstone and Kenwright negotiating the fees
111 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:11:22
126 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:14:43
All 3 of them should be sold to bring in money for the new manager to spend on new players
While we have Anichibe playing upfront we will never go anywhere and as for Naismith he should be sold or given away now.
129 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:21:11
Baines would be far harder to replace and if Kenwright has any gumption -which seems highly unlikely - he should warn Moyes that a transfer to Manchester United for Baines would be out of the question.That's the least Moyes owes Everton as it seems quite clear he must have known Ferguson had lined him up as his successor months ago.
139 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:35:46
Baines is quality but I'd not begrudge him going to a club the size of united. He's given us 6 good years and at 28 years old, he's probably at his most valuable right now.
Personally I'd sell fellaini for 25m+ and keep baines until he retires, however I can see Baines wanting to follow Moyes to united and if that's the case there's nothing much everton will be able to do.
If we could get Hernandez from them that would be bonus.
143 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:42:20
The departure of Moyse was always going to send our great club backwards; I'm not particularly bothered that he's gone and tbh I wish him all the best. The problem we have is that the club will now lose some of it's best players and any transfer money we receive will get swamped into the Everton debt.
Watching BK on the news describe his thoughts on Davey boy leaving was fucking pathetic; the stupid big lump was almost in tears. Who on earth will take BK and his cronies serious in the near future. The club has lost all manner of leadership and integrity now that Moyse has gone!
152 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:59:32
Moyes staying I believe we would have kept Baines, Moyes going well..........at the end of the day it will be Baines who decides whether he goes or not.
It must be tempting for him if he does get the offer to go to Utd with the opportunity to win things and at the same time up his dosh !
It's just a case of how much we can get to go into next years " other operating costs "
160 Posted 10/05/2013 at 10:21:45
211 Posted 10/05/2013 at 11:13:30
I expect Heitinga to go as well and with Moyes and Neville's wages off the bill, that's 6 of our top 8 outgoings on wages gone.
With the transfer cash, TV money and our reduced wage bill, you would hope we'd have 50 mil to spend on transfers.
We have a strong base and potentially the top youngster in the country ready for his career defining season. This was the right time for Moyes to go. We need to choose the right manager who will take what he has and use the only considerable chunk of transfer money he's likely to get as Everyon manager to improve the squad.
Maybe I'm naive, but I'm optermistic. We just need to get the right manager.
223 Posted 10/05/2013 at 11:28:55
230 Posted 10/05/2013 at 11:29:16
The trap the majority of football fans fall into, is looking at what the current players bring to the team, and assuming that no one else will be able to fill that role
We didn't let in copious amounts of goals down our left hand side before Baines cemented his place there
Neither did we stop scoring goals, or have players not providing assists prior to Baines playing
The world goes on, a decent LB will not win us the league,will not get us into a CL spot nor will he stop us conceeding goals or stop creating them on his own.We know that were need a minimum of 2 new men up top, another creative player behind them, a game changing CM and maybe a LB replacement
If he were to go, we are allowed still to replace him and have 11 players on the pitch at the start of every game....
Look, I love Baines as much as the next blue, and whilst I agree he has been awesome, we are not talking about a Messi or a Ronaldo
Utd would still score goals without RVP, someone else would take up the mantle and the responsibility, life goes on
232 Posted 10/05/2013 at 11:30:48
288 Posted 10/05/2013 at 12:31:11
We will lose two very good players but I think we'll get top money for them, giving the new manager the chance to build on a strong base of a squad.
I have the up most respect for Moyes but have felt this was the tight time for him to go. The right manager with the opportunity to put his stamp on the club, I think as fans we should be excited about that.
299 Posted 10/05/2013 at 12:49:36
310 Posted 10/05/2013 at 12:58:43
Obviously the report is talking shite. But it does highlight the absurdity of Moyes still being here.
323 Posted 10/05/2013 at 13:01:24
327 Posted 10/05/2013 at 13:07:40
357 Posted 10/05/2013 at 13:23:59
Prefer we sold Fellaini for £25m and get Lescott, Fer and Negredo in for a similar price as well as keep Baines.
388 Posted 10/05/2013 at 13:42:56
431 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:31:43
25 + 17 = 42!!!!!!!!!
447 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:37:55
Can't see him being of any use to United even with Moyes as manager.
John #211 50 mill for transfers, I hope what your on is pharmaceutical?
452 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:37:37
I think we need to buy a striker firstly with Fellaini money. Spend a good 10-14million...look at Kone, Remy, Aubameyang or one of the impressive Eredivisie strikers. Then we'd need a central mid replacement (probaly need a couple). Obviously Fer seems a possibility. I'd also like to see us bring in another creative attacking wide mid to put pressure on Pienaar and allow Mirallas to chance positions (Maloney?) and a younger cb with whatever money I assume we will get from a departing Heitinga.
If expected, and Fellaini and Heitinga go, as well as Hitz and Neville, we will have some wages to play around with as well.
455 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:49:13
483 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:00:32
I agree with you, and the stats don't lie with regards to his contribution.However, the lions share of chances he is making aren't being finished due to the fact we have a Jelavic down on his luck, a Vic who is so hit and miss its untrue and a Naismith who frankly shouldn't be there
I would happily see us take the £17m quoted for Baines (Sadly I don't think it would be that much for 1 minute) and reinvested into a quality striker and a creative midfielder, along with an 'adequate; LB replacement
You look at any of the successful teams in history, people don't tend to remember the quality of the full/wing backs.They remember the striker who scored the 25+ that season, the midfielder who bossed box to box every game, the winger who cut defenders to shreds all season etc
I know he has been a massive part of our club these past few seasons, but I guess the point I am trying to get across is that we still leak goals for all his defending skills, and we don't score that many for all his goal scoring chances created.....so surely investment in the 'vital' areas makes more sense?
(I am almost arguing against myself, as in an ideal world of course I would like him to stay, and us still have £30m to invest, however, you and I both know that this is unlikely to be the case)
494 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:00:12
Wages is the determining factor, not who's managing Everton. And unless the ownership group that dumped Wayne Rooney is prepared to rupture the Club's salary structure to retain one or both of them, they're going.
The questions for the summer is how much in for them and how much of that the new guy gets to spend? With all the current uncertainty, our owners have to give the new man a substantial chunk to spend, don't they?
They can't be so brazen and to put most of the x-fer cash AND the TV money into OOCs (or whatever they call their cut off the top), can they?
They can't be.
Anyway, this is one summer we won't call dull.
553 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:53:27
642 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:04:20
If this board had any ambition then they would do everything they could to get Laudrup and if he was given the Baines and Fellaini money we would see some decent players coming in and I think some of the youngsters would get a chance.
Maybe Oviedo would jump into Bianes's position or Garbutt get a chance,maybe Stones would get the odd appearance as back up to Coleman,maybe Duffy will get the games a lot of people think he deserves and likewise with Barkley and Mceleny. All maybes but going by what he's done at Swansea and there brand of football I certainly think they would get more of a chance than under Moyes's control.
804 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:38:18
995 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:06:25
015 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:27:54
The new Chairman is a Glazer man and this probably helped Ferguson decide it was time to hang up the hairdryer. Even though Utd don't have any money worries it could be a case that they don't spend loads. With the likes of Man City spending and Chelsea. It could suggest Fergie feels he really is too old for this now he has lost his only ally against the Glazer takeover if the is a true article.. It also seems the new guy is not as forgiving as Gill.
A major mistake for Moyes would be to sign Fellaini, This would have a detrimental effect on the way Manchester Utd play the game and could be a problem if results start to awry.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9884218/Manchester-United-owners-move-to-promote-Ed-Woodward-finalises-the-Glazerfication-of-Old-Trafford.html
020 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:35:44
Well its interesting to see this article about the new United Chairman and that he is a man of money and accountancy. It seems that Fergie may know something we don't about this, it appears that the new chairman stated earlier that Man Utd are not going to spend lavishly.
The new Chairman is a Glazer man and this probably helped Ferguson decide it was time to hang up the hairdryer. Even though Utd don't have any money worries, it could be a case that they don't spend loads. With the likes of Man City spending and Chelsea. It could suggest Fergie feels he really is too old for this now. He has lost his only ally against the Glazer takeover (Gill)
If the Article is a true, .. It also seems the new guy is not as forgiving as Gill.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9884218/Manchester-United-owners-move-to-promote-Ed-Woodward-finalises-the-Glazerfication-of-Old-Trafford.html
024 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:40:27
025 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:55:33
029 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:58:20
They are Moyes favourites...we're bound to get big money...surely? I mean Moyes always plays his favs so he's bound to take them with him...
033 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:10:03
http://www.mid-day.com/sports/2013/may/100513-ferguson-successor-Moyes-receives-death-threats-from-man-u-everton-fans-london.htm
(makes us here at TW look very reasonable)
038 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:19:24
053 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:59:25
060 Posted 11/05/2013 at 01:36:31
Bill..good. Moyes..bad. Clive...serious?
062 Posted 11/05/2013 at 01:29:44
066 Posted 11/05/2013 at 02:02:14
How many players would we have sold for decent money when Moyes joined us?
Simonsen, Pistone, Weir, Unsworth Stubbs, Hibbert, Gravesen, Gemill, Carsley, Ferguson & Radzinski was our starting 11 for his first game - subs were Gerrard,Joe Max Moore, Blomqvist, Clarke & Chadwick.
067 Posted 11/05/2013 at 02:02:14
How many players would we have sold for decent money when Moyes joined us?
Simonsen, Pistone, Weir, Unsworth Stubbs, Hibbert, Gravesen, Gemill, Carsley, Ferguson & Radzinski was our starting 11 for his first game - subs were Gerrard,Joe Max Moore, Blomqvist, Clarke & Chadwick.
076 Posted 11/05/2013 at 03:00:55
077 Posted 11/05/2013 at 03:01:11
If only Mayweather didn't have it so easy. Just fist-fight em for an hour and it's all settled.
On the other hand, regarding the link you sent, the biggest bunch of whining cry-babies ever.
May we have so much to cry about.
134 Posted 11/05/2013 at 09:10:27
137 Posted 11/05/2013 at 09:18:49
140 Posted 11/05/2013 at 09:15:08
He may well take Baines, perhaps even Fellaini although I doubt it. least he wouldn't rip us off for them (you would hope). Besides people have been talking about the need for wholesale changes and whether you rate him or not Fellaini and Baines are the tactical cornerstones of this team. The formation is built to accomodate Fellaini, Jelavic's runs are to create space for him, the hoof from the back is to utilise his aerial presence, Baine sbeing asked to disregard all defensive duties is to service Fellaini.
If we want an Everton that is quick, thrilling, can play on the break, and score lots of goals then Fellaini probably doesn't fit into this and selling him may be the boost we need to remodel the team away from Moyes' image . The shame is I think Baines could play in any team regardless of their style, and who knows maybe he will, maybe Man U would have been the only place he might have gone and if Moyes does feel too loyal to take him we've just averted a transfer that may have happened under Ferguson.
576 Posted 11/05/2013 at 19:06:02
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077 Posted 10/05/2013 at 08:21:24