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Assistant would be internal hire for Rangnick the groomer

02/06/2013 | Comments (95)
Bill Kenwright is apparently mulling over a forward-looking plan from Ralf Rangnick that The Mirror suggest could have moved him to the front of the running for the Everton hotspot.

Rangnick reportedly "blew Kenwright away" in his meeting with the Blues Chairman on Thursday where he explained how he would appoint an internal hire like Phil Neville, Alan Stubbs or David Weir as his assistant manager with a view to grooming him as his long-term successor.

Kenwright interviewed his internal candidates first and, though it appears as though he has dismissed the idea of handing any of them the hotseat straight away because of their inexperience, Rangnick's option could help keep one of those important backroom staff members at Everton.

The 54-year-old German is currently sporting director at Red Bull Salzburg in Austria and it would appear his inclination towards a more supervisory capacity means he isn't looking for a long-term role as team manager at Everton.

Rather, he would work on developing one of the club's up-and-coming coaches to eventually take over while, hopefully, rebuilding a squad that is one of the oldest in the Premier League before, perhaps, moving upstairs in a Director of Football role.

The Daily Mail, meanwhile, suggest that in addition to interest in Roberto Martinez from Malaga, Everton face competition from Manchester City for the Spaniard. They contend that, should Manuel Pellegrini succeed Roberto Mancini at the Etihad Stadium, he would select Martinez as his number 2.

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Dan Dorrington
232 Posted 02/06/2013 at 00:27:26
Ironically addresses the question of long term by raising one in answer. Does he see himself at Goodison for the haul?
Liam Young
233 Posted 02/06/2013 at 00:37:58
Yeah, bring in wreck it ralf, if it all goes wrong we can get fix-it Felix to take over and clean up his mess. Better option than Martinez!.
Eugene Ruane
234 Posted 02/06/2013 at 00:44:59
Tbe honest, hard to know what to make of that.

I mean fine in a way..um..I suppose.

But I just think, right this minute, we just need/want to be told who our new manager is.

Whatever plans there are for the future, speaking for myself, you can let me know sometime...well, in the future.

Lewis Morrison
235 Posted 02/06/2013 at 00:57:57
Could it be that Kenwright is looking to bring in Rangnick as director of football now with Pareira as coach?

Pareira supposedly likes this kind of set up and I think Lyndon has already mentioned this as a rumour??

Kevin Tully
239 Posted 02/06/2013 at 01:41:05
Sounds like he should be arrested!!
Laurie Hartley
242 Posted 02/06/2013 at 01:32:29
This seems like a sensible approach to me - if he is a good enough manager and he has recovered from his health problems.

I also like the idea of Alan Stubbs being his assistant provided he can win Stubbsy's respect. I suspect that whoever comes in as Everton's next manager will have to win the respect of Stubbs, Weir and Ferguson. If he can do that he will be successful because he will be inheriting a good group of players. I just suspect that these 3 senior people in the club have the confidence of the players.

Lewis, I honestly can't see us getting both Rangnick and Pereira, too much money involved.

Eugene, aren't you feeling very mystical today? You are a rum 'un.

Steve Bell
244 Posted 02/06/2013 at 02:18:09
It just gets more and more confusing....but very thought provoking.

PN as assistant? No thanks, his only long term thoughts lie toward OT, where he will be groomed for that eventual day of succession.

How would a German and a Portugese work together, the efficiency and technical acumen of a German mind vs the laid back Mediterranean mañana. What language would they converse in? Would things be lost in translation, even if both spoke good English.

Semantics I know and not my problem, but I can't scratch that itch.

Steve Bell
245 Posted 02/06/2013 at 02:40:21
Sorry I was jumping the gun and looking at the possible Rangnick/Periera combo.
But still no to PN, yet be swayed about Stubbs/Weir.
Jackie Barry
247 Posted 02/06/2013 at 02:55:05
Well this should strike his name off the list for me, I don't want someone who doesn't see themselves here for the long haul. Sorry but he sounds like he could be off any moment as soon as the going gets tough or he doesn't get what he wants. I would rather have Martinez if he has truly made this statement.
Derek Thomas
253 Posted 02/06/2013 at 03:12:02
Any 1 or permutation of 2 from the 3 ' foreigners ' with an internal assistant has to be better than any of the McCleish-esque poorman's Moyeses.

If true (?) this is a bit avant garde considering all Bill's 'supposed' to want is a replacement heatshield... and I do admit I kinda like it. Maybe Bill will replace our interim defunct motto with ' Who Dares Wins'

Off topic slightly; I see our playskool badge is up and running on the OS.

Peter Leslie
257 Posted 02/06/2013 at 05:35:07
I really hope this is the way it pans out: would deliver the much-needed fresh thinking without dismantling the solid base Moyes left.

It has come to something when you are left hoping and crossing fingers that our Clubs custodians will have the bravery and foresight to do the bleedin obvious.

Steven Telford
258 Posted 02/06/2013 at 05:46:35
Forget combos, especially 2 big name combos.
1 guy has to be clearly in charge, or else issues arise. if you order pizza and get every toping in the shop because you like them all individually, it takes just one bite to know that a simple margarita would have been a better choice.

And as for grooming successor, come on the future is next season, not 5 seasons from now. if somebody internal wants to go into management, let them go cut their teeth and prove themselves in a lower division, as it used to be.

Paul Dark
259 Posted 02/06/2013 at 05:58:58
Ralf and Duncan. Job done.
Paul English
262 Posted 02/06/2013 at 06:07:28
So Ralf comes in and grooms somebody else for the job; so that's another 5 years keeping our heads above water.

Where's the ambition in all this? We need someone now and get us buzzin... that's if you go on the latest rumours!

Mike Green
263 Posted 02/06/2013 at 06:36:10
Steven #258 - I couldn't agree more.

All sounds very non-committal to me.

'I want to be manager, but if it all goes tits up I can get out quick and hand the hot potato to a novice club man of your choice - besides developing him was what I was brought here for any way wasn't it?

No wonder the players never really gave me 100%, they knew I was never going to be in it for the long haul....?'

I want a manager, and a bloody good one at that, with a plan on how we're going to get back to the top and stay here.

That man might be Rangnick but he needs to commit to a real future not a fancy half way house, I think it would end disastrously if he didn't.

Ian McDowell
265 Posted 02/06/2013 at 07:17:00
Sounds good to me.
Steve Cotes
268 Posted 02/06/2013 at 07:17:20
Hold on! I don't believe he's said we wants a non-committal / short term / backseat role, I think he's said he wants to appoint a member of the existing backroom staff as his number two. Maybe he recognises he needs someone who understands the culture of the club & the premier league. It sounds quite sensible to me.

We ought to remember that Arsene Wenger's first number two appointment was Pat Rice! Did this mean he was non-committal? No! He's now the longest serving manager in the Premiership.

Don't jump the gun, or put words in his mouth, this sounds an interesting idea!

Steve Jones
275 Posted 02/06/2013 at 07:41:45
First off it sounds like he's bright enough to come in to an interview with something original and creative in his hand. Sounds like a bloke who properly wants the job!.

Second more than a few people have talked about Nevilles promise as a coach...don't think anyone argues he has potential. Its also clear that Pip does have genuine affection for the club, he's had experience from Sir Alex, 5yrs of Presbyterian football (advanced-level) and could now benefit from say 3-4yrs working for a forward-thinking technical manager.

Taking over the reins after then, with Rangnick moved to Director of Football, gives Pip the ability to take the reigns of a big club with someone there to hold his hand and take the scouting/signing job responsibility. On paper its not a bad idea.

Steve Guy
276 Posted 02/06/2013 at 08:41:28
Only "Everton Legend" Rangnick could team up with that I'm aware of is Big Dunc. I don't classify any of the others in that category.

Impressing with his impeccable English ?! Great but I assume he also talked sense and demonstrated how he will take us from 6th to 4th with a few cups along the way ? Also how you can actually go to Analfield and actually win would be nice too.

Chris Morris
277 Posted 02/06/2013 at 08:50:55
The more I hear about this Ralf Rangnick, the more I like him. Even though a week ago I'd never heard of him!!

This idea, in my opinion, works. I like the idea of a manager with a plan to pass on his experience to a successor and then move upstairs in a few years time. I wouldn't know who to choose as assistant because I have no idea how good/bad they are as coaches. But this idea of coming in, making your mark and handing over the reins is ideal for longevity. He may only stay as manager for a few years but he'll groom someone to stay for longer.

Let's do this

Ste Palin
280 Posted 02/06/2013 at 08:53:02
I like the sound of Rangnick/Periera with the backroom staff we have already — wouldn't it be cheaper than Martinez and all his staff with the compensation we'd have to pay?

ps: I think Duncan will make a brilliant manager one day so we have to keep him at club, the respect he must have & they would all play 100% for him.

Paul Dark
281 Posted 02/06/2013 at 08:58:50
One of the most appealing aspects of this idea for me is the dynastic aspect - continuum and longevity. Rangnick is clearly a thinker and a modern coach, like many Germans.

We don't want Relegation Roberto - I really hope Bill has received that message loud and clear.

VP and/or RR excite me - especially with big Dunc in as no 2 (or 3!).

Chris Morris
283 Posted 02/06/2013 at 09:04:30
Paul Dark #281

Any reason why Dunc should be number 2?

If it was a choice on paper I would say that only Phil Neville is worthy of it based on his years playing under SAF and knowing what it takes to win. Playing under Moyes and captaining his side for years shows his leadership skills. If people think he's in line for Utd job at some point, then surely that shows what charcter he is too.

Brin Williams
284 Posted 02/06/2013 at 09:02:43
Sounds like the Man Utd operation — Fergie upstairs; Moyes downstairs.

Will it work? Who knows...

Mohammed Horoub
290 Posted 02/06/2013 at 09:13:15
Grooming an internal hire like Weir/Stubbs/Ferguson for the long term sounds like a really good idea, I don't think it shows he's not here for the long term, only that his long term plan is to become Director of Football at some point and to have someone ready to hand over the Manager's job to.
I have to admit a week ago I was all for Martinez taking over(I had voted fro Di Matteo to take over) but the more I read about Mr. Rangnick the more I like his approach. He's not a yes man and knows how to build from the ground up. I know Martinez is a good manager but the smell of relegation that he has on him at the moment isn't helping win many people over.
If BK does go with the German school of science then my vote is for Weir to take over at #2. I just have a gut feel about Weir leading the team to great things in the future...
John Crawley
291 Posted 02/06/2013 at 09:29:18
Chris - well one reason to choose ferguson over Neville is that he's more qualified. He's got his pro licence while Neville is just taking his UEFA A badge. That plus he is a proper evertonian which Neville for all his qualities his heart still resides at man utd.
Liam Young
292 Posted 02/06/2013 at 09:32:49
Ralf Rangnick and Duncan Ferguson for me sounds great, this approach is a great one, and I am impressed by this Rangnick, he has a very good pedigree, I have swayed more to Pereira, but right now, this sounds to me like the best idea. Go for it BK!,

The whole thing of Martinez doesnt sit right with me, purely because his highest place finish with wigan is 15th, and the relegation thing is not helping, he may have won as FA Cup, but I wouldnt want that at the cost of our premier league status.

Maybe at everton he would do better, but his record is not good enough for a team of our ambitions.

Paul Ellam
293 Posted 02/06/2013 at 09:38:39
All this chatter about Rangnick and/or Pereira is infinitely more exciting and pleasurable than talk of Martinez!
I would be happy with either of them as they both seem to have a plan.
Mike Green
294 Posted 02/06/2013 at 09:27:35
Fair comment Steve #268, you're right.

If Rangwick is actually saying 'I want the Everton job. I expect to be in it a long time, but nothing lasts forever so to boot I'll coach up a bright young Evertonian, who may then make it into management' then fine, but in my guts it sounds like he just wants a project for a couple of years not a long term job.

Once our next manager goes I want the best man appointed for the job at that time, not someone who's been set up based on a decision taken now - with no managerial experience at all as surely there will be better candidates when that decision comes around?

I'm with Steve Telford - if Neville / Weir / Stubbs want to manage they should fly the nest and get themselves to a Bury / Dundee / Tranmere and actually start managing rather than staying in the classroom.

Why not appoint a number 2, that actually wants to be a number 2, only wants to be and remain a number 2, and makes a brilliant number 2?

John Crawley
295 Posted 02/06/2013 at 09:52:43
Mike I tend to agree with what you are saying. I am not sure about Rangnick, he's got a good track record but I wonder if his best days as a coach are behind him? On balance I prefer Pereira, a young up and coming manager but who has a good amount of experience both at a lower level and then as assistant and manager of Porto.
Kevin Day
296 Posted 02/06/2013 at 09:56:50
Just looked at the Oddschecker website, Martinez is now drifting out to 4/6 from 1/3 and Ralf Rangnick's Odds are now starting to shorten from 12s down to 9s. This maybe because of the rumours, but I feel if Martinez was to be appointed, it really should've been announced by now after 2 interviews.
Phil Walling
297 Posted 02/06/2013 at 10:01:27
Sounds like a master plan to me!
He could train up PN to be manager so he,too,could fuck off to United anytime he felt like it!
Just make a fucking decision and we can move to Act 1,you tosser!
Steve Brown
299 Posted 02/06/2013 at 10:06:03
Best days are behind him? He's 54 .... Frank Rijkaard is 50 and he is still seen as a relatively youngish manager.
Andrew Clare
300 Posted 02/06/2013 at 10:04:21
This has got to be. What a great idea. The Germans have shown their tactical nous and their great desire to win over the decades.
Very exciting!
Nick Entwistle
302 Posted 02/06/2013 at 10:09:55
Rangnick'll Fix it.... for you and you, you and you and yoooooou!
Steve Brown
303 Posted 02/06/2013 at 10:08:34
What about Frank by the way, just been sacked by Saudi Arabia after a 1-0 defeat to Kuwait... so much the same track-record of recent failure as hot favourite Roberto Martinez.
Paul Smith
305 Posted 02/06/2013 at 10:17:07
Worth a punt.
Geoff Freeman
306 Posted 02/06/2013 at 09:57:08
God help us if this is true (and it's a big 'if'). We need the same stability that Moyes gave the club. I get the feeling that by having one of our lads as his trainee he's covering his backside in case he feels the need to jump ship at short notice.

Let's be honest, we finished 6th — a place most clubs would would swop with us. We need tweaking, not major surgery.

Eugene Ruane
309 Posted 02/06/2013 at 10:17:39
Laurie (242) - "Eugene, aren't you feeling very mystical today?"

Not very, the power simply isn't there at the moment.

Truth is, I shouldn't have mentioned my mystical background on TW, the spirit world doesn't like it when you're frivolous about them and I suspect I've been given a yellow card.

Gavin Ramejkis
310 Posted 02/06/2013 at 10:22:46
Chris the trouble with the logic of he won games under whiskey nose doesn't necessarily translate to a man management role, great players have become pretty shitty managers and pretty dire players have become decent managers, its not a guarantee or pre-requisite.

I'd have liked the idea of a Rangnick/Pereira axis myself, we need new not recycled

Laurie Hartley
313 Posted 02/06/2013 at 09:51:12
Mike at 294, I think that in management their are undoubtedly people who make "the perfect # 2". However I would say that such individuals generally have either held a #1 position or spent enough time as # 2 that they know that the top job is not what they are suited to. As the saying goes "it's tough at the top".

The assistant manager's role at Everton would be the perfect position for Messrs Stubbs,Weir, Ferguson or Neville to find out if they have what it takes to be # 1.

I think of the 4, Ferguson is the "perfect number 2". He would certainly be my choice as my right hand man because he is as hard as nails and I think once you had won his trust he would be very loyal. I'm not sure it would be good for the big man to be given a # 1 role. But he would definitely be "the best # 2" in the business - better than Joe Jordan even.

In this situation we are talking about someone who could step into the top job in 2 or 3 years time. Stubbs, Weir and Neville all fit into that category. I like Stubbs - he was a fighter on and off the field. Weir has got the look about him. Neville will be a manager one day but not at Everton - he is the wrong fit.

The Chinese have a saying - "with crisis comes opportunity". Next week could be the turning point in the club's history that we have all been hoping and waiting for.

Perhaps this man Rangnick has given Bill Kenwright a different perspective of the future to what he had in mind before they met. I hope so. We want someone who has the managerial skills, technical ability and vision to lead the football club to greatness.

It would be great for those older fans such as myself see us back at the top, but the ones who really deserve this are the younger fans who have never experienced the feeling of happiness that comes with being "The Best".

Bill Kenwright has an enormous responsibility on his shoulders - he must get this right.

Laurie Hartley
314 Posted 02/06/2013 at 10:32:26
Eugene - thanks for the tip - sorry I brought it up. I'm on my second yellow.
Antony Matthews
320 Posted 02/06/2013 at 10:37:43
Trouble is Laurie, Kenwright has got it wrong on too many occasions. ie Kings Dock, Kirby, the badge, just to name a few. Just hope he gets one right sometime and hopefully it is this decision. I think he held on to Moyes too long so its bound to be difficult to make a change to someone else without risk. Lets back whoever he picks and give them a chance, then we can decide whether it was a good decision or not.
Chris Morris
323 Posted 02/06/2013 at 11:01:37
Gavin @310

That's why I said "on paper".

Somebody plucked Big Dunc but offered no reason

Brian Waring
324 Posted 02/06/2013 at 11:02:14
A few say he has a good track record, is that a track record of falling out with the hierarchy at nearly every club he's been at?
Susong Hermawan
325 Posted 02/06/2013 at 10:59:46
And, the Everton new Manager is.... C'mon BK!!
Colin Glassar
326 Posted 02/06/2013 at 11:11:55
Martinez is the only one out of the three that would have a holistic plan for the club. The other two would be short term appointments IMO.
David Midgley
327 Posted 02/06/2013 at 11:02:03
Ralf teaming up with Renee Muelensteen, he was the first team coach at ManU for years and they've done O.K. He was offered the chance to coach their youth team when the new manager went there but he walked away.

He would bring PL knowledge to Ralph and fresh ways to fist team.

It's already been said,we want fresh not recycled.

Alan Ross
329 Posted 02/06/2013 at 11:05:56
I don't believe a word of it. Were the Mirror invited in to witness the interview? Or have they got hidden microphones in Bill's office? Complete speculation! More than likely, Bill's been up to his tricks with his media friends again. But to what end. Can't work that one out. Only time will tell. But this has been dragging on for too long. I can only assume the constant feed of media insight is there to quell the masses ie fanbase. If nothing was coming out of Goodison on the search for the next manager it would indicate Bill's plan to leave this till the last minute......just to save on the guy's salary. Whoever that might be.
James Marshall
330 Posted 02/06/2013 at 11:15:18
I think people need to let go of the 'long haul' aspect. Moyes was a rarity, and we're unlikely to find anyone who will want to manage the club for that long again. Look at the stats across all PL clubs, and apart from Moyes, Wenger & Ferguson, who has stayed anywhere for very long?

It's wrong to pin your hopes on finding a long-term (10yr?) manager, so I really would try to forget about such things.

Managerial contracts are more likely to be a few years long, 5 at best with most managers only serving 3 or 4 tops.

Rangnick sounds like he has a solid idea of what he would like to achieve, and if that plan is based around say a 3 or 4 year deal, with a number 2 being groomed for the position, then I say go for it. He appears to be a man with a plan and we should jump on the German bandwagon which is rolling along nicely at the moment.

We need change, we need a shakeup, and we need a forward thinking plan. Martinez? Too young, too risky in the way he sends his teams out - I don't buy into the smiling Spaniard routine, or the way his shabbily prepared teams go out & play.

Rangnick has a reputation - a very good one, in Germany and I have it on the authority of a couple of German friends (Bayern fans) that he would be a great appointment and one that European football would take notice at. He's a smart operator with a good work ethic, and would really make waves at Everton - something we desperately need in my opinion. We've had (essentially) a yes-man in the job for 11 years and while it's made us stable, we've lacked any real 'edge' to both our play and the way Everton presents itself as a club. Rangnick would bring new ideas, new faces, and a different way of doing things. A brave appointment it would be, and a brave appointment is what we need.

Martinez? Who would care or notice other than us? He'd be another yes-man to be molly-coddled by BK, a lap-dog manager in waiting - not exactly inspiring to me.

So we speculate, and we wait....until Monday apparently.

Tuesday....

OK maybe Wednesday....

Always keep em hanging on for more...

Mike Gwyer
335 Posted 02/06/2013 at 11:17:11

Paul Ellam #293 - " ... as they both seem to have a plan".

What's Rangnick's plan? Do you know? Is it "win as many games as possible, especially against the RS"?

Chris Morris #277 - "The more I hear about this Ralf Rangnick, the more I like him".

I've googled him and didn't get much further than Austrian Red Bull shite. What the fuck has he done? Has he won cups, leagues? Or can he talk as much bollocks as BK and sound so totally un-convincing that you sort of actually believe him? Will he work here or just pop over on Saturdays for a "chat" with his number 2?

Going forward, how the fuck has BK managed to drag this scenario out whilst other EPL teams have sacked managers, done the media thing then rehired new managers. Meantime fuckwit BK seems intent on interviewing every unemployed footy manager across Europe hoping that he looks super professional and getting to see his name in all the rags - tart!!!! I mean, I've got 40 quid on Martinez (at 7/4) so this Rangnick and Porto bloke can go and do one.

Paul Dark
337 Posted 02/06/2013 at 11:42:25
Chris Morris: I think Duncan would be an imaginative choice as No.2 since he is becoming well, qualified now, he would be a good foil to an outsider with exxperience and he would galvanize the fans. A lot of us (not all, I appreciate) look up to Dunc as a legend and true Evertonian in the most positive sense of the words. His ability and love for the club are legendary. He played through pain for us and brought light in our darkest hours. He's also my personal preference as one who simply captures the imagination. He's also one of the most hard-working coaches at the club. Stubber, Weir and Phil Neville leave me cold. Also: I'd like to see Neville Southall brought in as goalkeeping coach ASAP.

I disagree with an earlier post that Martinez would be the most holistic manager. On the contrary, everything about the man suggests quite the opposite. He has just fled a sinking ship, he has no desire to see out his plan (whatever that may be). It's staggering he hasn't been relegated with Wigan before; his repeated negative goal difference and and arrogance towards Wigan (the way he's leaving) suggest a man who's more concerned about his reputation than his club - and there is no sense of seeing a project through to the end. His appointment would be akin to that of Mike Walker - and the Board should know better than to be impressed by Wigan beating us in the Cup at GP.

I really hope Relegation Roberto is dirtched in favour of Ralf (and/or Vitor). Does Bill read ToffeeWeb?

Harold Matthews
347 Posted 02/06/2013 at 12:10:01
Sunday. According to the radio early this morning, Martinez was about to get the job then in marched The German guy and BK was bowled over.
John Shepherd
351 Posted 02/06/2013 at 12:01:22
A great idea killing more than two birds with one stone:

• 1st: A new manager with a vision;
• 2nd: Grooming an internal (I'd go for Stubbs though only because I think Duncmania would go into overdrive and maybe cause distraction)
• 3rd He'd be taking Everton in a completely different football direction.

Whilst I agree Moyes has done us proud, I also think we should've done this 3 years ago. Europe (Chelsea apart) has been dominated by Spain and now Germany. All that process would take time: probably 4 years of grooming whether they would be able to be patient whilst it's in progress depends on their commitment to the cause I suppose.

That doesn't mean we're going to suffer in the league too much... if at all. Anyone can see we have quality, the rest is just a few ageing players at the back and Pienaar on the wing; not too drastic in my opinion.

Anyone wanting a foreigner in charge can forget a 10-year commitment – they don't do that; that's why I would snatch at the opportunity while we have the chance and learn from Ralf a completely different way and approach – imbedded into the youth teams and coaches while they're still in the learning process.

Chris Morris
355 Posted 02/06/2013 at 12:32:55
Paul Dark @337

Duncan played through pain?????

There was a song about him being a tampon because he missed so many games with injury.

Ross Edwards
356 Posted 02/06/2013 at 12:43:24
"Rangnick the groomer"
What, is Jimmy Tarbuck the new assistant manager?
Paul Dark
367 Posted 02/06/2013 at 13:31:41
Chris, 355: I'm going on what Baz Rathbone said after Duncan retired. He played through the most terrible back pain and conditions.

Sound was/is Duncan.

James Stewart
376 Posted 02/06/2013 at 14:40:57
I don't want that snake Stubbs involved in any top positions. Still haven't forgiven him for his role in Rooney leaving.

I'm surprised Bill didn't blow his load right then and there when Rangnick talked about an internal no.2

Paul Gladwell
378 Posted 02/06/2013 at 14:45:22
James, It's on NSNO someone has said he's been told he's not getting job
Patrick Murphy
381 Posted 02/06/2013 at 14:43:56
The longer it goes without a word from Wigan owner Mr. Whelan the less chance of it being Martinez.
Paul Ellam
382 Posted 02/06/2013 at 14:41:51
Mike Gwyer #335
Try googling harder fella!!
Rangnick has won cups, leagues and even got a team to the Champions League semi final (trumps Martinez) and his plan is the main topic of the article if you read it through.
Regarding Pereira, he has also won cups and leagues (trumps Martinez) and his plan is to play attacking, attractive football along with a pressing game (like a Barca team) but he also knows how to set a defence out properly judging by his clubs so far. He sounds a very ambitious manager too in his interviews.
I don't dislike Martinez but just feel these 2 are better candidates for our club if it wants to show ambition and forward thinking.
Mark Pierpoint
386 Posted 02/06/2013 at 14:54:37
Didn't Rangnick only take over Schalke in the March of the Champions Leage year though Paul. He has won the German second division a few times, but I am worried about the fact he is a nomadic manager. Never settled anywhere. I think that the need of a manager to build a long term legacy is taken for granted by many because of the stability and longevity of Moyes.
Ross Edwards
396 Posted 02/06/2013 at 15:28:12
The only league Rangnick has won is the German Second Division Paul. He took over Schalke in March 2011 and left about 6 months later. He is not a stayer.
Drew Shortis
407 Posted 02/06/2013 at 15:47:50
Anything the Mirror comes out with is pure speculation. Only Bill and his close circle knows what went on in those interviews and he doesn't exactly say much does he? The way the Mirror report it they had a man sat in the corner taking notes. Now all the news is online or 24hours news TV the press, especially the red tops, are just sensationalist rumour mongers. Anyone with half a brain cell could make this stuff up. Sorry for stating the obvious, but this kind of journalism really gets on my nerves!
Daniel A Johnson
408 Posted 02/06/2013 at 15:58:51
Rangnick as Director of Football... Martinez as manager... and Stubbs/Weir as a No 2.

That for me would work: Rangnick implementing the strategic plan, Martinez managing the team and an old Everton defender maintaining tradition and pride and defensive nous on the training pitch.

Fuck Phil "Man Utd pyjamas" Neville.

Brian Harrison
415 Posted 02/06/2013 at 16:09:05
Wouldn't worry too much about how long someone stays as manager of a club, because as we have seen already that if clubs are in the bottom 3 or 4 of the league they get the sack. So if they do stay for more than 5/6 years, it's because the board reckon they're doing a good job.

I think the delay in naming a manager could be many reasons: maybe they can't agree as to who the new manager wants to bring with him as assistants... maybe BK wants one of our guys to be the Number 2 to carry on the consistency. But just maybe they haven't made up their mind who to choose. I would imagine that BK might have been close to giving Martinez the nod so maybe there is some truth in the press that he was impressed by what Rangnick had to say.

Paul Smith
416 Posted 02/06/2013 at 16:20:32
Good!
Paul Dark
423 Posted 02/06/2013 at 16:22:04
As excruciating as the delay has been, I don't mind if it means he gets it right (read: doesn't appoint Martinez)
Paul Dark
427 Posted 02/06/2013 at 16:37:59
Just been watching Martinez's post-relegation internview, and a fair bit of what he's saying is ptetty self-indicting:

1. Wigan can bounce straight back (but he takes no responsibility for relegation and won't be there himself);

2. He talks (albeit unconvincingly) about the club's 'football philosophy', yet he jumps the sinking ship at the first available opportunity;

3. He gives the distinct impression that winning the Cup makes up for relegation a bit.

Is this really the man we want to see leading our club into the Brave New World? Premier League experience? Yes. Premier League failure? Yes.

we need to build on Moyes's foundations (such as they are), NOT strive for a feelgood factor under a smiling salesman.

Ross Edwards
428 Posted 02/06/2013 at 16:48:09
I wouldn't be suprised if Martinez goes to Malaga. Remember, he went to Barcelona for 3 or 4 days before telling Whelan he was leaving. Anyone from Malaga could have spoken to him in advance.

Anyone who thinks they are NOT good enough to get Wigan out of the CHAMPIONSHIP should not be considering the Everton job. No way.

Gavin Wadeson
436 Posted 02/06/2013 at 16:35:22
There does seem to be a lot of consensus throughout the media about Kenwright admitting that Rangnick blew him away in his interview. Interestingly, eleven years ago, I seem to remember reports of Moyes blowing Bill during his interview.

Although I hated the thought of one of the backroom staff becoming manager, I did like the idea of the continuity and stability that would provide.

I also strongly believe that a manager should pick his own assistant though, which is why I've never supported the idea of the new manager being forced to work alongside Alan Stubbs (or Weir/Ferguson). However, if Rangnick suggested the idea during his interview, it would be the best of both worlds; continuity & stability combined with change & progress.

Stephen Doyle
437 Posted 02/06/2013 at 16:58:44
Gavin - 436, so THAT'S how Moyes got the gig!
Kevin Tully
439 Posted 02/06/2013 at 17:05:32
I wonder if we'll be calling a presser tomorrow,or if this will go on for another week?
Gavin Wadeson
441 Posted 02/06/2013 at 17:10:17
Stephen (437)

I've just realised what you meant!! Haha

It'd certainly explain why Walter recommended him to Bill....

Mal Christopher
447 Posted 02/06/2013 at 17:38:38
Ralf Rangnick has denied even holding talks with Everton, heard its actually Steve Clarke. Excerpt from Twitter
Mal Christopher
448 Posted 02/06/2013 at 17:41:16
Former Bundesliga coach and current sports director of Red Bull, Ralf Rangnick, has denied rumors linking him with Everton and there as a successor to the Manchester United coach David Moyes exchanged in combination. After the relegation play of RB Leipzig at Sportfreunde Lotte on Sunday said Rangnick on MDR television that he had signed a three-year contract with RB, a year is not over. "You can not take anything seriously, what is written in the media that," said the 54-year-old. British media had reported Rangnick had already spoken to President Bill Kenwright Everton and presented him his concept.
Ross Edwards
449 Posted 02/06/2013 at 17:42:43
Not Rangnick then. I hope the third bloke is Bielsa, it is looking increasingly likely that he is leaving Bilbao. Apparently, Roma and Santos are after him.

If BK was listening to us, particularly on TW, he would have seen Steve Ferns and his articles on Bielsa. I don't want Bielsa rotting in Italy or going to Brazil, I want him to come here.

As much as Clarke has had a good season, he has the personality of an Andrex Wet Wipe.

Patrick Murphy
450 Posted 02/06/2013 at 17:45:56
I actually like Steve Clarke and if we could get him I would be more than pleased, it seems that Michael Laudrup is having some tax trouble with the Dutch authorities so Swansea are standing by their man, so it probably won't be him. I have never felt that RM would come so it's either internal (PN) or the man who was originally suggested a Scotsman by the name of Malkay.
Ged Simpson
451 Posted 02/06/2013 at 17:51:28
Steve Clarke is the one I would like. Has it all in terms of experience and would quietly and efficently get on with the job.
Chris Morris
453 Posted 02/06/2013 at 18:05:52
Seems like BK is stacking the cards in Martinez's favour
Sam Hoare
455 Posted 02/06/2013 at 18:09:22
Steve Clarke would be a solid if uninspiring choice. West Brom did pretty well this season and looked organised and effective. Could see Clarke being very much BK's cup of tea.
Ged Simpson
457 Posted 02/06/2013 at 18:12:12
Looking like that Chris but the more this goes on the more I realise we are all just guessing. But it passes the time. One thing though - if we turn the clock back a few centuries to when Moyes said he was leaving, there was big support for Martinez. Perhaps we have all just got dizzy chasing our tails and lost sight of what is good or bad. I certainly have.
Paul Dark
463 Posted 02/06/2013 at 18:34:09
Gutted re Rangnick, gutted.

Just no Martinez, please.

Laco Hegyi
464 Posted 02/06/2013 at 18:18:37
Marcelo Bielsa would be ideal, Everton thanks to its unique methodology, new, revolutionary approaches could again bring new impulses for football world. Pep Guardiola is admirer and self-confessed student of Bielsa's...
Sid Logan
469 Posted 02/06/2013 at 18:38:48
Ged. #451. Are you taking the piss? you must be in a minority group of about 3 if you would want Steve Clarke. Considering the names currently in the hat how any one could be debating someone like him.

I sometime wonder if some people come on this site purely to stir things up.

Steve Clarke is simply not going to happen. Please move on to something sensible.


Paul Dark
471 Posted 02/06/2013 at 18:47:08
I don't want Clarke, but he'd be better than Martinez.
Sid Logan
472 Posted 02/06/2013 at 18:49:04
Sorry Paul I don't agree.

Martinez not my first choice but would well prefer him over the dour Clarke who has the personality of a belisha beacon!

Ian Glassey
474 Posted 02/06/2013 at 18:45:29
Why is everyone so against Martinez, I think he would be the perfect choice.

So he has been relegated many top managers have, if he does get the job just let the man get on with it.

I think we will be very happy, he is not someone that will leave after 12months.

He is in it for the long haul...

Steve Bell
475 Posted 02/06/2013 at 18:49:55
All smoke, mirrors, confusion, media mischief . It's like war reporting. Only BK knows what's going on, or does he?

Maybe he's been sitting on a Caribbean beach sipping cocktails with Jenny and someone else is pulling the strings.

Maybe just maybe Moyes has been conducting the interviews. Now there's a conspiracy theory.

Sid Logan
477 Posted 02/06/2013 at 19:04:11
Steve, Jenny spent the night with me!
Paul Dark
478 Posted 02/06/2013 at 19:06:49
Ian: in it for the long haul? He buggered off out of Wigan pretty quick once the false smiles of the FA Cup waned.

Sid: personality is less important, in my view. Clarke has dine a tremendous job at WBA - but I reiterate, I'd prefer Pereira or Rangnick [sheds a forlorn tear :-)]

Sid Logan
479 Posted 02/06/2013 at 19:05:47
Ian, I'm certainly not against Martinez and I think may supporters would welcome him!

However I thing the preference right now is for Pereira and the absolute dream team would be Rangnick as Director of football with Pereira as manager. That's not going to happen but we can still dream.

The bottom line is I will be happy with ant of the 'three' and will get behind whoever of them is appointed!

We will know soon!

Sid Logan
483 Posted 02/06/2013 at 19:17:31
Apologies for typos it's the ipad!!
Ian Glassey
492 Posted 02/06/2013 at 19:54:34
It looks like Rangnick is now a none starter,and was never my top man.

Martinez for me but would be happy with Pereira, but like you Sid who ever it is
will get my 100per cent backing...

Sid Logan
495 Posted 02/06/2013 at 20:07:07
Ian, I just hope we get to know soon - like tomorrow - and we can all settle down and debate in comings and outgoings, which I think will be far less stressfull!

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