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Martinez wants to link back up with Moses

08/06/2013 | Comments (56)
Roberto Martinez is looking to reunite with Victor Moses and, according to the Daily Mail, is planning a £10m bid for the versatile forward who has battled to hold down a regular starting role at Chelsea.

Martinez sold Moses to the Londoners as Wigan manager last August.

The same report suggests that the Blues' new boss is after another former charge in the form of Wigan midfielder James McCarthy.

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Ross Edwards
379 Posted 08/06/2013 at 22:48:32
I'd be happy with Moses. I'd also like Bobby M to sign Zaha on loan as well.
Patrick Murphy
381 Posted 08/06/2013 at 22:48:18
I'm not sure about paying £10m for him but if he could part the red sea at OT and the other place might be worth it. If Anichebe partnered him up front we would have a Victor Victor strike force - I'm sure Victor Victor had something to do with the Z-Cars TV programme but it could be a figment of my childhood memories.
Declan Burke
382 Posted 08/06/2013 at 22:47:14
Did Bill win last night's Euromillions jackpot?
Drew O'Neall
383 Posted 08/06/2013 at 22:52:38
Daily Mail = nonsense.
Mark Frere
384 Posted 08/06/2013 at 22:42:31
I don't believe solitary word the Daily Mail prints. There's no doubt though, I'd love both of them players on our books. Moses always looks very impressive and its a shame for him there's so much quality like Mata, Oscar and Hazard challenging for the same position. Don't know if we could match Moses's wages that he's on at Chelsea.

McCarthy looks like a more realistic shout, although, I wouldn't want us to pay over £8-10 million for him.

Ross Edwards
385 Posted 08/06/2013 at 22:57:35
The Daily Mail- That newspaper, even a few weeks before the declaration of war, was still supporting an alliance with Nazi Germany. Nuff said.
Phil Sammon
386 Posted 08/06/2013 at 22:55:08
I'd like to see this one happen. Another lad who perhaps moved too soon. I think he'd do well at Everton. We've become quite prolific with the Nigerian lads over the years.
James Martin
387 Posted 08/06/2013 at 23:00:07
Not worth £10 million at all.
Mark Frere
388 Posted 08/06/2013 at 22:54:38
Ross Edwards
I think Zaha on loan would be perfect for all parties involved. As we know Moyes doesn't like taking a chance on young unproven talent, especially when he's got the wealth of talent to pick from at Man Utd. We could loan Zaha and give him vital premiership experience. Still, wishful thinking, I think
Phil McKeown
390 Posted 08/06/2013 at 23:10:08
Daily Mail – poison.
John Malone
393 Posted 08/06/2013 at 23:25:59
Can't see what the fuss is about McCarthy he looks half decent in that he's a tidy simple passer but he seems to lack a yard of pace and tends to want a lot of time on the ball I would say Gibson does the same job but better. Moses on the other hand looks quality lots of pace and skill and can strike with both feet, can't see him leaving Chelski regardless of not playing every week he'll be on mega doe and has already won silverware.
Paul Ferry
396 Posted 08/06/2013 at 23:45:10
Forgot about Moses. Well I hope that this story is not bull and that he rushes to us.
Paul Ferry
397 Posted 08/06/2013 at 23:46:48
I agree in spirit Mark (388) but I would like to see players being bought so we can build with them, but as you will also rightly say, for that we will need sponds .........
John Shepherd
398 Posted 08/06/2013 at 23:44:11
If McCarthy was any where near good you would have to say Man Utd or Man City would've snapped him by now. Although I did rate him last season, I've not seen much of him this season.

Moses though is a good shout as is Lukaku; either of them would do me. Lukaku has gone back to Chelsea and, with them being linked with with a few others, then someone's got to go.

Rhys Owen
401 Posted 09/06/2013 at 00:06:43
I don't see why we don't loan both Moses and Zaha with all the change going on at Chelsea, he's definitely not worth £10 million out of Bill's 'wallet'
Drew Shortis
403 Posted 09/06/2013 at 00:08:52
Unlikely unless Fellaini goes. I think Everton would be a great fit for Moses and vice versa, but is it better to be a bit part player at a team winning trophies or a regular in an aspiring team?
Paul Ferry
412 Posted 09/06/2013 at 00:46:07
Rhys (401) in the first season more than any other season of a gaffer's spell you cannot build a team and build for the future on loans.

Now, I know sponds is an issue and fingers crossed on that score. But it seems that sponds will be there - according to, hang on, Billy Liar - and we need to build, begin again, and hinging on loans is not the way to do it

Colin Glassar
421 Posted 09/06/2013 at 02:02:50
Patrick murphy, I think it would be more like Victor Victoria.
Peter Jansson
423 Posted 09/06/2013 at 02:20:38
I have said it before and I say it again. I think Everton should try to get John Guidetti from Manchester City. The guy made around 20 goals in the Dutch League. Then suddenly got a strange nerve disease that has crippled him for about 10 months. But from what I have heard he is close to come back to fitness.

He is young, he is good and will be good for years to come. Now it might be the time to get him cheap. He is way better than what we have now and he will be a top player for years.

Peter Thistle
430 Posted 09/06/2013 at 03:07:26
I think Naismith might have caught that "nerve disease" off Guidetti.
David Holroyd
441 Posted 09/06/2013 at 08:14:47
Hope we still go for Foe along with some young pacy players to go with the experience of Jagielka,Distin, Baines,Pienaar ,pace has always been missing from Moyes teams.
Andrew Ellams
471 Posted 09/06/2013 at 09:45:15
Moses is quality but I think we have more pressing use for the money this summer
Ian Bennett
476 Posted 09/06/2013 at 09:59:22
On loan I guess, would be a decent move.
Paul Ellam
479 Posted 09/06/2013 at 10:04:55
Like the idea of Moses/Zaha coming but I think getting a top-notch striker is our priority.

Last season we created plenty of chances with the team we have, the only thing missing was putting those chances away. If we had the same team creating the same chances but had a guy(s) sticking them away I have a sneaky feeling we would get the top 4 Martinez has promised!!

Get in 1 or 2 real quality strikers to help Jelavic (who I still think will come good) and we will be laughing come next May.

Dave Charles
480 Posted 09/06/2013 at 10:07:44
It's only rumour but at least we are linked with a player with pace, now there's something new for a start.
Peter Askins
481 Posted 09/06/2013 at 10:03:57
I wouldn't say "no" to a swap deal with Chelsea, Moses for Fellaini, with say fifteen million quid coming our way as well.

Moses is apparently on £50k per week, so considerably less than Fellaini, and probably wouldn't hold us to ransom over a big pay rise. He cost Chelsea £9-10 Million, so anywhere near this valuation should be enough to tempt them to part with him.

From his point of view, Moses is even likelier to fall down the pecking order at Chelsea, with the arrival of Mourinho. In World Cup year in 2014, he would most likely want to be playing regular football next season too. Where would he get a game at Chelsea - Forwards: Torres, Ba, Lukaku, Moses, Kevin Debruyne, Schurrle. Midfield: Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Marin, Lampard, Ramirez, David Luiz ? And that's before Mourinho has spent his regulation seventy million on two new strikers!

From our point of view, I would love us to have an injection of pace in the team, and Moses (and McManaman!) would certainly provide this.

As we all know, football is more and more becoming a non-contact sport, so the future is pace and trickery. Conversely, the effectiveness of a player like Fellaini will lessen, as the officials target him more and more for his "robust" approach. Fellaini is a disciplinary timebomb, still with a suspect temperament, and will struggle to play 30 league games in England from here on in. Cash in now.

Aidy Dews
483 Posted 09/06/2013 at 10:17:03
£10M is a bit pricey for Moses but he's had a great learning curve at Chelsea and come on a lot since Wigan; I think he's exactly the type of young player we need.

He's got plenty of pace, which Martinez prefers in his sides to compliment his style of attacking football; he can take on a man and make things happen... but he is a bit like Lennon of Spurs – his end product isn't the best. But he's young and can improve on that side of things.

We do need pace in the side in attacking areas so we can become dangerous on the counter. Martinez does like his teams to be able to break with speed and within a number of passes, and pace helps to do that. With only Mirallas in an attacking area with any decent pace, it's hard to break fast, but add a Moses to it and it's the start of changing things.

He would be a good signing, but maybe a loan with a view to buy at the end of it, and for less than £10M, would be a good deal.

Harold Matthews
494 Posted 09/06/2013 at 10:19:50
My nerves have gone. Guidetti sounds interesting,probably because I've never heard of him. The others are either too high up the wage ladder or too inexperienced and teams with top 4 aspirations don't field anyone wearing L plates.
It's not about so and so being a good player or being pacey etc... It's all about Martinez putting together a team of disciplined,hard working professionals who are 100% commited to his system. Not an easy task but not impossible. Prima Donnas will have to cool it.
Wayne Smyth
512 Posted 09/06/2013 at 11:43:39
Lets not be in the business of improving other teams players for them, unless we have a solid agreement to purchase as part of the loan.

If we can't afford to purchase, or loan with a view to purchase, I'd much rather we give some of our own kids a chance in the first team. We have the likes of McAleny, Barkley, Duffy, Junior and the winger we signed from the SPL last season who's name escapes me.

To be honest though, most of the young english talent that has already been snapped up by big clubs are overpriced in transfer fees and salaries. I think a more realistic avenue is to purchase from abroad where prices are far cheaper or perhaps make use of the fact that some of these rich teams with massive squads are under pressure to get rid of large numbers of fringe players for cut-price fees because those players will want to play regularly to get in the euros next year.

Peter Jansson
517 Posted 09/06/2013 at 12:09:18
Harold Guidetti scored 20 goals in 23 appearances for Feynoord the 2011-2012 season when he was there on a loan deal. Then got injured last summer(disease).

Just check him out on youtube.. he knows where the goal is

Ernie Baywood
520 Posted 09/06/2013 at 12:22:38
Nothing in that YouTube clip to get too excited about. And, if truth be told, he looks a bit of a tit.

Can take a decent penalty though.

Tom Bowers
525 Posted 09/06/2013 at 12:56:21
So the usual speculation,guesswork and innuendo translation is starting early this Summer for the Evertonians in particular and for obvious reasons.

It goes without saying that Martinez will be linked with some of his ex-players but Victor Moses I hope is not one of them.

Seems like he is another of those many Chelsea fringe players who though talented are not consistent enough, similar to Joe Cole, Sinclair, Sturridge to name but a few who will bounce around from club to club.

Everton have had enough of those kind of players over the years and are just a waste of time and money.

Paul Smith
579 Posted 09/06/2013 at 17:08:19
I think Moses would be a good addition but I wouldn't call him class or anything, hes still got a lot to learn including work rate. I don't think at the moment he'd even consider helping Coleman or Baines out at the back but going forward hes quick and dangerous.

These reports are only speculation at the minute and I expect us to be linked with far more players before the seasons starts. I just hope its a sign that Martinez has spotted we need more pace in wide positions and going forward.

Mark Pierpoint
582 Posted 09/06/2013 at 17:31:32
In fairness Tom he did really well at Wigan and was very successful at Crystal Palace so I think that he isn't the sort of player who will bounce from club to club. I am not sure if he is a priority though (now we have Mirallas) and Chelsea would not sell for a loss. Long term a bit of pace down the left side would be welcome, I think Sinclair would be a more affordable option if it was between the two. Not sure that Moses would be the sort of striker who would be prolific enough to be our main striker.
Sam Hoare
593 Posted 09/06/2013 at 18:13:53
I've said it before but there will be a high premium paid on Premiership proven players.

Keep in mind that 10m could get you Mirallas and Michu last season with some change to spare.

If him or Lukaku are available on loan it would definitely be worth taking them with a view to a purchase if it goes well but otherwise I think they will likely be overpriced.

James Stewart
596 Posted 09/06/2013 at 18:25:44
Would much rather have McManaman to Moses
Sam Hoare
597 Posted 09/06/2013 at 18:21:03
If we are looking for a winger I would be tempted by Nacer Chadli at Twente. He is quick, tall, skillful and has scored and created a bundle of goals for them over last few seasons.

I think he'd probably be available for around £6-8m and maybe if its buy one get another half price we could get Fer as well. Though be amazed if twente wanted to deal with us at all to be honest.

Thomas Windsor
627 Posted 09/06/2013 at 19:32:28
Let's wait until Martinez gets all the team back in for pre-season training, and sees Anichebe's first touch for the first time in training close up .

Bye Bye, Victor.

Paul Ellam
628 Posted 09/06/2013 at 19:38:40
Getting players from abroad is the better option - more bang for your buck!
Jack Cross
633 Posted 09/06/2013 at 18:27:32
Moses, 5mil would be more like it not 10 mil. Mc mannaman looked good in the cup games but whether he could prolong it week out week in the prem I'm not sure. I say go with the young lads in the squad we've seen what they can do and what I saw I liked. They didn't get a chance under Moyse, so lets hope Matinez as other plans for them. Matinez is supposed to bring out the best in strikers, the opposite to Moyse, if so Jelly should come good again and I think he will. The lads got talent, know dought about that in my eyes.
Mark Frere
634 Posted 09/06/2013 at 20:18:00
Jack Cross
How could you of liked what you saw of the kids when Moyes didn't even play them?
Jack Cross
639 Posted 09/06/2013 at 20:37:22
Mark Frere. He did play them (Moyse) but he didn't play them enough. He wasn't a risk taker was he? Always went for a safe bet. Why are you a Moyse fan? you see I wasn't.
Mark Frere
642 Posted 09/06/2013 at 20:53:55
But Jack, Moyes didn't play them, we got a brief look at Barkley with a couple of starts and a few substitution appearances, Junior started in the league cup against Leeds and had a shocker, then we didn't see anything of him again. Can you please tell me about some other examples you saw? They seem to of eluded me.

Was I a Moyes fan? Yes I was, he had plenty of faults though- and not playing his youngsters and not using more squad members was the biggest thing that annoyed me about him. Junior was excellent pre-season then he has a bad 45 minutes against Leeds Utd and that was the last we saw of him, think he deserved more of a chance.

For all Moyes's faults I did apprieciate all he did for our club, taking us from annual relegation fodder to regular top 8 team

Peter Jones
649 Posted 09/06/2013 at 21:23:31
Why are we scoffing at the 10m price for Moses? He was just sold for 9 to Chelsea early last season. He's a great player and only 22. The only reason he doesn't play is because the player in front of him in the pecking order (Oscar) cost 25 mil. You may recall Chelsea stubbornly sticking with Torres far too long due to his price tag, despite having much better forwards behind him (Sturridge, Lukaku, Ba). If we really were to buy Moses, I think it would signal that we weren't going to splash the cash on a top striker, but rather move Mirallas to his preferred center forward position that he played at Olympiakos. Can't say I would have a problem with it. We'd certainly have some real pace to our attack, which has been lacking for god knows how many years now.
Mark Frere
654 Posted 09/06/2013 at 21:36:51
We shouldn't be scoffing at it peter, if Moses is good enough which I think he his, with him been only 22 Moses will have plenty of re-sale value

Peter, Mirallas was never a proper centre forward at Olympiakos, he played on the left of a front 3 most of the time and I personally like him playing out wide. There's plenty of out and out strikers out there to buy, Martinez just has to make the right choice

Colin Glassar
659 Posted 09/06/2013 at 22:04:15
Rather then spend 10m on one player I think Martinez would prefer 2-3 players from Spain or Argentina for that type of cash.
Mark Frere
662 Posted 09/06/2013 at 22:08:47
Someone like Michu would do, only 2million, bargain of the season or what?
Colin Glassar
664 Posted 09/06/2013 at 22:15:44
Mark, I think his knowledge of Spanish and south American football will lead to us getting some bargains. South America has a wealth of cheap, young players who would be perfect for us.
Vijay Badhan
713 Posted 10/06/2013 at 01:45:22
Moses is a good young player with a lot of potential but I don't think we should pay £8/10 million for him, somewhere around the £5/6 million mark would be good.

McCarthy is also a very decent young player but again for the money they want for him I feel there would be better options on the continent especially when a player of Manuel Fernandez's class is available for around £2 million.

Kevin O'Regan
732 Posted 10/06/2013 at 07:39:51
So if we were to get 1 player with pace, does that mean that the rest of the lads have to up a gear too ? e.g. Fellaini strolling around like we have a month of Saturdays to get 3 points..
Jason Lam
749 Posted 10/06/2013 at 10:38:00
Moyes was always raving about Anichebe; he'll be at Old Trafford very soon and we can use the fee to buy Moses. I hope Martinez doesn't block the transfer.
Denis Richardson
775 Posted 10/06/2013 at 13:39:36
Its the daily mail - utter tosh.
Drew O'Neall
923 Posted 11/06/2013 at 08:28:43
Martinez is probably in for Moses (as far as the Daily Mail are concerned) because Chelsea are in for Fellaini.

A swap for Moses AND Lukaku would be better for us but we'd still need a CM so we might have to push for McEachran too, assuming we'll be completely plotless!!

Terry Davies
927 Posted 11/06/2013 at 08:50:15
Just heard the RS have signed another player. How can they do this if the transfer window doesn't open until July 1?
Jack Cross
999 Posted 11/06/2013 at 15:29:33
Mark Frere. So you saying you've seen Junior and Barkley play. Well what about Vellios, Duffy, Garbutt, Mc Aleny Stones. You never saw them playing are you saying. Well I did. And I think all of the above should have been played more. That's my argument really. Don't buy, unless you've had a good look at what you've already got. That makes sense doesn't it Mark? I'm pissed off to the back teeth hearing what Moyse did for us and with no funds. So you need funds to win the FA cup and League do you? Well Wigan have just won it and correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they have a smaller budget than us?
Kevin Day
239 Posted 12/06/2013 at 17:24:44
Drew makes a good point there with Moses and Lukaku, with those 2 up front there would not be many defenders in the league relishing that battle, and they can both finish.
If we kept Vic as well, he'd be handy to bring on after those 2 run a defence ragid.

Not forgetting Mirallis, stick him behind the front 2 providing the killer balls, and of coarse sticking a few in the net himself is making my mouth water.

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