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Kone doesn't intend to play in 2nd Divison

23/06/2013 | Comments (40)
Arouna Kone has signalled his intention to leave Wigan following their relegation from the Premier League. Everton, now managed by former Wigan boss Roberto Martinez, and local rivals Liverpool are thought to be two of the clubs interested in Kone.

"You always have ambitions as a footballer, and I don't intend to play in the English second division," declared Kone in The Sun.

"Wigan have gone down, which is a real shame. It's up to them to set out their stance about my situation. I aim to play for one of the best clubs in England, and I hope I will get the chance.

"I've had plenty of approaches, I can't reveal the names of the clubs. But Crystal Palace have gone up, and from the moment a club is in the Premier League that is good for me.

"I'm under contract with Wigan for two more years. But if there is an offer that is good for both me and Wigan I will seek to leave."

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Mark Pierpoint
709 Posted 23/06/2013 at 14:57:58
Not for me to be honest. I would hope that there is better value out there. Look at the likes of Benteke and Michu. Younger and with more in their lockers. If we were picking him up for 2-3m then yes but not at £6m.

Not saying that it is easy to stumble on top players like Benteke by accident but if Martinez is so good in the transfer market (and you can't argue with his record) then he should be able to leave the Wigan players where they are.

Derek Knox
710 Posted 23/06/2013 at 15:02:36
I tend to agree,at 29,surely doesn't represent either value for money, or any sort of foundation for the future! I still have faith in Roberto to pull a younger rabbit out of the hat!
Paul Andrews
713 Posted 23/06/2013 at 15:09:13
29 ????
Ray Roche
715 Posted 23/06/2013 at 15:14:32
As in, "Yakubu, 29" ?
Jim Harrison
718 Posted 23/06/2013 at 15:08:53
£6 million bought Mirellas. I know which one I would prefer. And I think Super Kev could play pretty much as a striker this season. It would mean we could do with a new right winger. (I'm not sure what side McManaman plays on?) Or just keep faith that Jelavic can regain his touch.
Mark Frere
722 Posted 23/06/2013 at 15:30:23
I wouldn't entertain the thought of signing Kone, mainly due to his age; I think there's plenty more younger and more prolific strikers out there for a similar price. Jelle Van Vossen or Guidetti would do just fine.
James Stewart
724 Posted 23/06/2013 at 15:45:43
Mark Guigetti is a tosser of the highest order. I wouldn't want him anywhere near our club. The next Bendtner!

Kone carries more of a goal threat than Jelavic but then that wouldn't take much! There are better options out there.

Mark Frere
726 Posted 23/06/2013 at 15:53:42
James,

You don't actually know Guidetti is a tosser. All anyone has read is that he is a bit self-important and arrogant. We don't know how true this is; all we do know though is that Guidetti scored 21 goals in 23 starts for Feyenoord last season and will probably be in our price range.

Andrew Ellams
727 Posted 23/06/2013 at 16:00:48
Mark, that was the season before last. He missed the whole of last season with some problem affecting his nervous system or something similar. So probably a genuine reason to avoid him.
Trevor Lynes
732 Posted 23/06/2013 at 16:09:23
I really hope that Ireland is NOT on the list to join us!!!!

Just being a bit fed up (again) at the activity of other clubs and we (again) do nowt!!

We need players bedded in prior to the seasons start... not wait for the left overs.

I have said before that every time any other club shows interest in one of our targets, we drop out of the bidding!

It's Pound Shops again I fear.

James Stewart
733 Posted 23/06/2013 at 16:16:42
Enough has been reported to suggest avoiding. He hasn't really done anything to suggest he is worth much. One decent season in the dutch thats it. A league that the mighty Afonso Alves and Kezman also scored 20 goals in. Vossen doesn't look that prolific either. I am just curious how you decide those players suggested are more prolific than Kone who scored over 10 EPL goals in a relegated side? Doesn't make sense to me.
Andrew Ellams
734 Posted 23/06/2013 at 16:24:15
I think Kone's age is the biggest issue to most James, although he is a year younger than RVP. I like him, think he is a lot more strings to his bow than anybody we already have, and think he will flourish in a better side.
Gavin Ramejkis
737 Posted 23/06/2013 at 16:32:57
30 years of age is the nail in this coffin; you simply shouldn't spend millions on a 30-year-old unless they are banging in 20 per season every season. Kone simply won't make those figures so his price is a no-no.
Mark Frere
740 Posted 23/06/2013 at 16:28:27
James Stewart,

In the last 2 seasons Jelle Van Vossen has score 41 goals in 69 games, that is pretty prolific in my book, that's with minor injuries plaguing is season as well.

Guidetti might be better on a 1 year loan with the option to buy, then we can all see what he's made of and then have the option to buy. The same kind of deal we had for that Belgian lad, remember? The deal that we didn't complete in time.

Ian Glassey
747 Posted 23/06/2013 at 17:03:24
Agree with you Mark.

Jelle Vossen banging them in in Belgium, also Carlos Bacca both worth a punt
i would say..

Andrew Ellams
748 Posted 23/06/2013 at 17:15:38
Not sure Bacca would get a work permit Ian unless he somehow qualifies as an EU Citizen. He has 3 caps in 3 years for Colombia and is behind Falcao in the pecking order for the strikers role
Mike Gaynes
749 Posted 23/06/2013 at 17:12:47
Mark and Ian, Van Vossen is prolific in Belgium. Belgium. The 11th-ranked league in Europe. Mushy soft.

I'd take Altidore, Bacca or Billy McKay before I'd take a punt on Van Vossen, and I don't think any of them are good enough either.

Mark Frere
752 Posted 23/06/2013 at 17:30:39
Mike Gaynes,

The same crap Belguim league that Benteke and Lakaku came from? Every player has to start somewhere. Don't forget Van Vossen is part of a outstanding Belguim international side.

We can't afford a top proven striker, so this is the way we are going to have to go.

Ross Edwards
766 Posted 23/06/2013 at 18:26:30
What about Wilfried Bony of Vitesse Arnhem? Sell Felli first, then splash out on him, get Honda on a free transfer, then use whatever is left to get Fer.
Steve Guy
774 Posted 23/06/2013 at 19:11:34
No thanks
Robert Collins
782 Posted 23/06/2013 at 19:45:39
30 years of age for £10m?

He looks like a decent striker, but no more than £5-6m tops at his age.

If we're going to spend £10m on a striker it should be on an up-and-coming young one.

Eugene Ruane
882 Posted 24/06/2013 at 11:00:17
Robert (782) - "If we're going to spend £10m on a striker it should be on an up-and-coming young one"

Personally I couldn't agree more, however it seems the fear of losing games or relegation or missing out on 6th and only getting 7th (or whatever) makes a lot of managers decide "fuck that, no time to nurture, I want the finished article right this minute".

Drew O'Neall
885 Posted 24/06/2013 at 11:40:27
Where are these figures of £10m and £6m coming from?

Apparently the guy has a £6m release clause, Wigan will accept less though to get him off their wage bill and I'd be surprised if they achieve more than £5m, although I've been quite impressed when he's played against us.

As an aside, I would be actively looking to shift Fellaini in to a european club, tout suite, any top four EPL club planning to activate his release clause will leave it til the last knockins to make sure we aren't able to reinvest and challenge them for the CL spots.

Andrew Ellams
889 Posted 24/06/2013 at 12:14:34
If those top 4 clubs want Fellaini that desperately they will want him in for pre season and up and running well before August 17th. Man Utd didn't hold off with Van Persie last year and same with Man City and the legion of players they have signed from Arsenal.
Paul Andrews
903 Posted 24/06/2013 at 13:15:28
In my opinion the perceived demand for Fellaini's services is exaggerated.
I think he will go but it won't be for £23-24 million
Ian Corky
904 Posted 24/06/2013 at 13:23:42
I would be amazed if we paid £5M for a 29-year-old, BK doesn't sanction deals for players likely to have no resale value.

Honda would be great, but that won't happen

Peter Jansson
043 Posted 24/06/2013 at 19:44:39
Guidetti would be brilliant. He is actually a nice guy, he was recently on the biggest talk show in Scandinavia. He might look cocky on the pitch but don't get fooled. One of the few Swedish people daring to say he wants to be the best player in the world... also saying he is prepared to work as hard as he can to be that.

Definitely not a Bendtner... Bendtner is shite and has always been shite. On the contrary, Guidetti will be long-term quality.

Robert Collins
053 Posted 24/06/2013 at 20:02:19
Eugene @ 882

"fuck that, no time to nurture, I want the finished article right this minute".

Our now departed DM (to his much craved heaven of OT ("Theatre of dreams" and all that crap)), became a leading proponent of the above mindset, leaving us with a "Last of the summer wine" team.

We as blues (knowledgeable supporters), I believe have to be patient with RM and give him time to bring through our kids and some in.

I wouldn't be to disappointed if we finish out of the top 6 providing I can see progress (in a football sense).

I just hope BK's CL top 4 pressure gaffe/slip (Fuck me, BK can spout with the best of them when he wants to) doesn't stress RM too much.

Give him time Boys Pen Billy Boy!

Dan Brierley
055 Posted 24/06/2013 at 20:18:04
Rob Collins 053, I fully agree with Martinez needing time, and we should give at least 5 years to judge him, as to be fair Moyes had 11 year to put this team together. In many ways, what Martinez has to do now (go from top 6 to top 4) is way harder than going from 16th to 6th!

I don't agree with your point regarding Moyes being a leading Proponent though at all. I had barely heard (some never) of Mirallas, Fellaini, Cahill, Pienaar, Coleman, Baines, Lescott, Jagielka before they had been signed.

I think its fair to say only Distin, Johnson and Beattie were established top flight players off the top of my head.

Robert Collins
114 Posted 24/06/2013 at 22:58:26
Dan Brierley @ 055

Hello Dan,

I can't argue with that Miralles, Fellaini etc list, DM had his good points.

What I should have made clear was that the "Last of the summer wine" team mindset was towards the end of his stay, I thought he became a bit selfish about his own appearance to the rest of the world (ie placing EFC as high up the table a possible), rather than developing a younger team that would probably place even higher given the time to develop.

And on the subject of RM and giving him time, I've seen people on here say we'll know what kind of manager he is after his first 10 games! Can you believe that? A fair few have said give to the new year and if he doesn't look like he's up to much, off him before he relegates us. There's more than a few around here with itchy trigger fingers.

Harold Matthews
132 Posted 25/06/2013 at 01:40:43
Yes, he'll need time but he ain't going to get it and he knows it.
He also knows exactly where we should alter things, judging by the way his Wigan side ripped us apart in the cup.

This modern game demands a different type of player to the ones we have grown accustomed to. Top managers like Mourinho and Guardiola appear to want players who are as busy off the ball as they are with it. Martinez will be the same.

AVB at Spurs is filling his squad with these non-stop, mobile athletes. Holtby and Paulinho being the latest. The brilliant Brazilian isn't there yet but his bags are packed.

At Everton we had one or two Prima Donnas who didn't want to over exert themselves and Moyes had to put his foot down. Publically. in one case. Let's hope Martinez does the same. Apparently, away from the camera, he's quite a tough cookie.

I would like a Mirallis with the heart of Jelavic and a Gibson with the legs of Coleman. Wouldn't that be something.

Jim Harrison
136 Posted 25/06/2013 at 03:41:24
Robert (#114),

Sorry mate, in the modern league you have to put your best team out as often as possible to get as high up the league as possible. Blooding youngsters is a risk that just isn't worth taking unless you are secure in your position.

Jon Ferguson
162 Posted 25/06/2013 at 09:15:00
Jim 136 - I think a great manager is able to blend putting his best team out whilst blooding talented youngsters. As much as I liked Moyes, this was not one of his strong points. His predecessor at United being the best British example of how to do it. If you don't develop your youngsters then you are only thinking short term and the great managers plan for the future.
Robert Collins
170 Posted 25/06/2013 at 10:27:28
Jim Harrison @ 136

Hello Jim,

There's a team a few hundred yards away across the park that blooded its youngsters all last season.

I think this coming season they will see the benefit.

There's also another team (who's name I can mention!), Aston Villa struggled with relegation all last season because Lambert refused to do a QPR and play all the old farts. He played the Kids gave them hope, encouraged them by giving them a chance and I think they will benefit from the games they've played next season.

I'm not saying play all the kids at once, but we now should start regularly feeding them into the team.

I personally don't mind if our league place dips, providing he's building a team.

As Jon Ferguson stated @ 162 it is possible it has been done many times before and I think RM is the kind of manager who given time would want to do it.

Jim, to truly go forward in the long term we have to be brave.

Andrew Ellams
173 Posted 25/06/2013 at 11:25:17
Robert, I'm not sure how many of the youngsters from across the park that you will see this year with the exception of Sterling. They seem to be determined to buy half a squad this summer.
James Martin
175 Posted 25/06/2013 at 11:22:39
Robert its fine blooding youngsters if they're good enough. Who exactly did Liverpool blood last season? Shelvey isn't even that young, they bought him off Charlton and he doesn't look anywhere near premier league class. Equally they bought Sterling and aside from having a bit of pace he fell right off the boil and had to take the entirety of the second half of the season off. Wisdom did alright at fullback (played out of necessity) but took an absolute mauling of Mirallas and didn't feature much in the second half of the season.

Liverpool's youngsters were mostly played out of necessity and all went back to the bench one first team regulars became fit/ Rodgers realised they weren't that good. Rodgers rescued his league position in the second half of the seaosn by playing Carragher, defending deep and playing the same kick and rush counter attacking football that every Liverpool team since Gerrard got into the team has played. He did not build anything, all he did was revive the carcass of Rafa and Kenny's teams and got them playing how they used to.

His big challenge will come this season and I'll be surprised in any way if his new look Liverpool side features any of the kids he supposedly blooded last season. Everton do alright for blooding youngters in comparison with the rest of the premier league. Between Rooney Rodwell and Barkley we've had three players that have been/could be sold for massive fees on the transfer market. Which other club has done that recently? We regularly used to plug our holes with kids such as Rodwell Vaughan Anichebe Gosling Coleman in premier league games and European games. One now plays for City, two were in our first team at the end of the season and two have proven not to be good enough. Why is it bad that for one season our injuries were clear enough to allow the seniors to play the majority of games. If Rodwell was here he'd probably have been in the first 11 and that would have been 3 of our youth players in the first 11 week in week out, the difference is instead of being 17 they've progressed to maturity and are supplemeting the squad in a proper way rather than the way some fans see Barkley as a hero incarnate waiting to come off the bench and win any game singlehandedly. Barkley will be in the team soon and will be all the better player for the not being cast in the role of messiah and that will be 6 out of the first 11 who at some point in their careers were in the Everton academy. Not a bad return for a club that apparently doesn't promote any youth players.

Paul Andrews
178 Posted 25/06/2013 at 11:59:05
James,

Shelvey is 21.
Apart from that I agree with the rest of the young players at our neighbours.

Robert Collins
194 Posted 25/06/2013 at 13:56:39
James Martin @ 175

If you look at the post I've written above, you'll see I said:

"I'm not saying play all the kids at once, but we now should start regularly feeding them into the team."

I didn't say drop all the old pro's and play the reserve team.

Barkley is the kind of example I'm talking about, We have to give kids like him a chance. As I said before, I personally don't mind a lower league position for the next few seasons if it does us good in the long run.

James, you said: "Robert its fine blooding youngsters if they're good enough".

How do they get to become good enough? They can only gain a certain amount of experience loaned out to Leeds. You have to play them and accept their mistakes. Moyes refused to play Barkley after he made a couple of mistakes, but did play him later on in the season when all was lost at Arsenal and to me he looked good. If he'd have been forgiven his mistakes and played instead of the blond haired jock early on, he may have been making a real contribution in the second half of the season.

I hope Kenwright shows the same patience with RM as he did with DM, if he does, I think we'll have a decent squad with a bigger price tag than the one we have now.

Bill Griffiths
213 Posted 25/06/2013 at 15:51:00
My view is we shouldn't sign him firstly due to his age and secondly as far as I am concerned he's just an average premiership player. I also don't thinks he's suited to our style of play.
Not really sure who I would sign (guess Van Persies out of the question) other tham Michu or Benteke. Straying from this thread I would prefer Martinez to be back here trying to sort out signings etc rather than being the other side of the world on a jolly even if it does give him chance to look at a lot of players.We'll end up making last minute signings again with players trying to integrate and gel once season has started rather than pre-season.
Harold Matthews
216 Posted 25/06/2013 at 14:47:41
Jim Harrison is probably right. Managers will always seek to field their strongest, most experienced eleven. Blooding youngsters who lose possession in dangerous areas and need time to think is a risky business. Villa got lucky. They had a hot-shot striker. We didn't.

My earlier post about managers wanting players who are as busy off the ball as they are with it appears to have fallen on deaf ears. Regaining possession quickly is a big thing in the modern game and we don't want guys who hang around with their hands in their pockets while somebody else wins the ball for them. We already have one or two but a new manager might shake them up a bit.

The down side is that some of the full-shift, workhorses receive little credit because many fans hardly notice what they do. I've seen Osman cover every corner of the pitch, run himself into the ground and end up being abused by fans who only notice the fancy stuff. Believe me. There are plenty on Toffee Web.

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