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Tim Howard has shrugged off criticism of his performances this season, insisting that he doesn't care what people say about him or the team as a whole.

The American has had a poor season by his standards, following up his headline-grabbing displays for the US national team at the World Cup with a number of individual errors at club level that had some fans calling on Roberto Martinez to give his understudy, Joel Robles, a run in the side.

A calf injury that Howard sustained on Boxing Day forced the manager's hand and Robles seized the opportunity, demonstrating stability and dependency between the posts that included three successive clean sheets.

Somewhat controversially, Martinez restored Howard to the starting role as soon as he regained fitness but without a clean sheet of his own in the Premier League since November, the 36 year-old remains under scrutiny.

I think To hell with the criticism', he says in the Liverpool Echo. I give my heart and soul to this club, to my career.

That is what is important. I am not really fussed what people say about me or this team or the coaching staff.

It doesn't matter. I come to work every day. It is not something that affects me and the morale has been great within the dressing-room, so it's not a concern.

Martinez has cited Howard's experience and importance in the dressing room as the overriding reason why he walked back into the starting XI despite his apparent drop-off in form but the former Manchester United 'keeper says that he isn't concerned with statistics until the end of the season.

I don't [focus on numbers], I usually wait until the end of the season, figure it out, see the stats, think it was better than last year, worse than last year, better than years in the past.

I don't know, it is not something I am going to worry about.

Howard is equally dismissive of talk of a relegation struggle engulfing the club. The Blues will kick off against Newcastle just three points above the relegation zone and mired amongst a number of clubs who have changed managers this season to try and get out of their respective crises.

He is has faith that the character that exists in the Everton team will enough to haul themselves away from any danger at the bottom.

Well, we're not [in a relegation battle], Howard retorted. Am I looking up the table? Of course.

It is traumatic and I get that. People want to talk about it, have a beer in the pub and it is all about how dangerous it all is.

It's not. We get two wins on the bounce and we are straight up there. It is a tough league and teams below us have all it to do as well. So no we're not worried about that.

"I look at is the character of the guys. No one goes AWOL, everyone trains hard, guys are happy to see each other every day and guys put in the effort.

We have never had an issue in the dressing room so that is a positive."

Quotes sourced from Liverpool Echo

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Mike Hughes
3 Posted 14/03/2015 at 23:37:04
Could be interpreted as he doesnÂ’t give a flying one.

"Well, weÂ’re not [in a relegation battle]," Howard retorted.

This is driving me to drink.
CanÂ’t he read?

Lyndon Lloyd
4 Posted 14/03/2015 at 23:38:20
More than a little defensive, if you ask me. Confidence is important but so is self-awareness.

He also gave an interesting nod to the effect of social media, though, later on in the interview:

"I think most players are temperamental and their confidence kind of ebbs and flows with what gets said about them on Twitter and Instagram in the media.

"They read all that and feel good about themselves if itÂ’s great, and not so good if itÂ’s not great."

Not surprising, of course. They donÂ’t live in a bubble.

Kevin Tully
5 Posted 14/03/2015 at 23:41:57
Worst ’keeper in the Premier League this season – fact. As far as I’m concerned, he can hang up his gloves now. You’re not getting any better next season, Tim.

As the song goes; Â’Time to say goodbye.Â’

Patrick Murphy
7 Posted 14/03/2015 at 23:37:46
I donÂ’t think that Tim needs to consult the opta statistics to realise that this season hasnÂ’t been one of his best in an Everton shirt. I could give my best in the Liverpool Marathon and put my heart and soul into it but I have no chance of finishing it, no matter how hard I try.

The dressing room may well have strong characters and each of the players may well be happy to work with each other on a daily basis but if those attributes arenÂ’t taken out on to the pitch in every match it means little or nothing to the fans who pay to watch the team.

ItÂ’s like the participants in a BK production explaining how wonderful everything is backstage and how brilliant it all was in the dress rehearsals - it wonÂ’t stop the paying public asking for a refund if the performance was dreadful.

I always believed that top performers in any walk of life are prone to examine their faults as well as their attributes and then to honestly assess where they can improve - not season by season but match by match.

John Crawley
8 Posted 14/03/2015 at 23:41:36
Self awareness – what’s that!! Unbelievable comments! Look at the table, Tim, we’re right down there and one of the main reasons is your poor form which has costs us goals and points!!

If you donÂ’t acknowledge thereÂ’s a problem, youÂ’re never going to put it right. HeÂ’s unbelievably lucky that heÂ’s still first choice.

Brian Hennessy
9 Posted 14/03/2015 at 23:48:44
What I take from that interview is that Howard has been Martinez biggest supporter in the dressing room, while others have been questioning the managers tactics.

He is being rewarded by RM by getting picked week after week despite his perfomances.

Teachers pet comes to mind.

By the way - anyone else think HowardÂ’s huge drop in form has coincided with him growing that ugly looking mop of hair on his chin?

Mike Hughes
11 Posted 14/03/2015 at 23:58:35
"Am I looking up the table? Of course."

Yes, thatÂ’s because thereÂ’s more to look at above us.

The spin coming out of this club is nauseating.
Is Peter Mandelson now on the board?

If itÂ’s not Martinez talking crap, itÂ’s Mirallas or Garbutt or Jags or Howard. They think weÂ’re mugs.

Just shut it and do your job.

Not in a relegation battle!

The booze has ran out.
Where are my pills?

Andrew Presly
12 Posted 15/03/2015 at 00:12:22
YouÂ’re a human sieve pal. Leave.
Gavin Johnson
13 Posted 14/03/2015 at 23:55:36
Brian, I think you might be on the money. Although we had a teacherÂ’s pet under OFM in the shape of Teflon Neville who played no matter what, until it got ridiculous in that Cup game against Wigan and his poor play could not be defended. I think we were at that stage with Howard before his injury lay-off but heÂ’s having a Â’strong seasonÂ’ according to Bobby.

If there has been dissent amongst the ranks (Distin, Eto’o) favouritism is going to be more fervent. It’s probably why our top summer transfer target’s Tom Cleverley – as Martinez knows he’s receptive to his ideas on how the game should be played.

I canÂ’t think of many other reasons why the worst goalkeeper in the Prem would be picked week-in, week-out, when weÂ’ve got a good replacement who can do a job until we evaluate things in the summer.

Jimmy-Ã…ge Sørheim
14 Posted 15/03/2015 at 00:29:11
He is in more denial than Roberto is, is it Roberto teaching Howard, or Howard teaching Roberto how to always deny the truth???

He is a strong guy mentally, I agree that we need his experience in the dressing room, BUT that does NOT automatically mean he should start every game.

Even Distin was benched, and I think he was scapegoated as Roberto would never dare to rip into "his № 1 goalkeeper".

I submit I have never seen a more deluded manager in the Premier League,

He cleary refuses to SEE the truth because the truth does not FIT into his tiny brain.

Colin Gee
15 Posted 15/03/2015 at 00:45:02
Not in a relegation battle? Fuck off, Tim, youÂ’ve lost the plot. So three points off the bottom three isnÂ’t a relegation battle then?

So when will we be in a relegation battle then? When we are in the bottom three?

If we lose against Newcastle and get beat by QPR next Sunday and the other results go against us then the only thing keeping us out of the bottom three would be goal difference.

Tim, as you Yanks are fond of saying... "Whatever!"

Clive Mitchell
16 Posted 15/03/2015 at 00:57:51
Absurd remarks, Tim. YouÂ’re done.
James Martin
17 Posted 15/03/2015 at 01:07:49
Comments like this that just show exactly whatÂ’s wrong with Everton. HeÂ’s a work-a-day keeper seeing it as nothing more than a job; not particularly bothered if this season is worse than previous ones as long as all the guys are happy in general. Contrast that with Big Nev who considers every season we havenÂ’t won something a disgrace.

Howard is just not a winner and that is why he is such a poor keeper. He doesnÂ’t have that extra mental edge to get that 10% extra out of himself now heÂ’s a bit older. Once his reflexes went a few years back, his game has gone downhill since and heÂ’s done nothing to rectify it. Other keepers work more and more on their positioning to counteract this so that they can remain keepers at the top level (eg, Van Der Sar, Cech) but you still see Howard flying across his goal trying to pull of ridiculous dives that heÂ’s not quick enough to get anywhere near any more.

Bringing him straight back in was the worst moment of the season and just showed that he doesnÂ’t need to uphold any standard whatsoever. HeÂ’s payed a huge part dragging us into the relegation mire and his continuous cockups in the Europa league have been rescued by Lukaku an Co. I fear he may well have even put us out already with his ridiculous show on Thursday.

I canÂ’t see us keeping a single clean sheet form now until the end of the season which is ridiculous when you think he has two top centrebacks in front of him. ThatÂ’s how bad he is. This interview is a slap in the face as well to fans who have long accepted mediocrity from him in a way fans of Manchester United for example never did. ItÂ’s almost saying, "Why are you getting on our backs? WeÂ’ve given you loads of good years previously."

What they donÂ’t realise as a group of players is that the previous years werenÂ’t good enough either, just merely tolerable, yet, if they make top 10, this group bar one or two seem to consider that good enough for Everton and the fans should be happy enough.

TimÂ’s time should be well and truly up with Everton as he was shot as a top keeper about 2 seasons ago and I hope his precious ego is reading this. If he was really a top pro with any pride, he would retire to a lesser league this summer. HeÂ’ll be too busy though with his deckchair out, picking up his massive wage for guiding Everton into the top ten every season.

Tony Byrne
18 Posted 15/03/2015 at 01:19:55
Similar attitude to that of our deluded manager, he doesnÂ’t really give a toss; no matter how shite he plays, our phenomenal manager still puts him between the sticks.

I dread today at GP watching this tool in goal. The day cannot come soon enough for me when Howard & RM are gone from our club.

Rob Sachro
19 Posted 15/03/2015 at 01:28:07
IÂ’ll keep this short and sweet: Please, Tim Howard, can I have some of whatever it is youÂ’ve been smoking? If you donÂ’t believe weÂ’re in a relegation scrap, then you need serious psychological help!

This season has been nothing short of a disaster (Europa League apart). I hate to say it but watching the blues this season has more often than not made me cringe with embarrassment...

Anto Byrne
20 Posted 15/03/2015 at 01:41:16
3 points off the drop, I am really concerned we are being sucked down by poor management and players who are past their use-by date. Lose against the Barcodes and drastic action from Kenwright is required.
John Daley
21 Posted 15/03/2015 at 01:20:35
"What I take from that interview is that Howard has been Martinez biggest supporter in the dressing room, while others have been questioning the managers tactics."

Except youÂ’re not Â’takingÂ’ it from the interview, rather Â’insertingÂ’ it. Howard doesnÂ’t mention anything at all about tactics of the manager and proceeds to point out that the players are a close knit bunch who are all on the same page and Â’putting in the effortÂ’.

ThereÂ’s a number of genuine nob-jockey comments coming out of the goal concederÂ’s mouth there. Why not latch onto one of those, instead of formulating some half-arsed theory that canÂ’t possibly be gleaned from what the guy actually said?

John Daley
22 Posted 15/03/2015 at 01:51:39
MK, you are spot on. On Thursday, the night started a bit surreal, and I canÂ’t really explain it. Everyone wanted a win but... . donÂ’t know the words?

After the shite of the first 25 minutes, they seemed to reach a crescendo in the atmosphere. It was definitely NOT against Barkley or any individual, it just seemed to be against everything?? Difficult to explain but you could not only sense and hear it you could actually feel it.

It just transmitted itself to the players and you could actually see the indecision in their intentions. Players could actually hear individual comments about how shite it was. They thought about changing passes. The rest is history.

It was quite surreal to see it but it worked. I just hope these arseholes are ready for similar on Sunday!!!

Colin Williams
23 Posted 15/03/2015 at 03:09:55
Trying to hide behind his "comical manager"...who also is trying to hide behind his "very quiet" chairman. What a fecking mess!
Brett Jonathan
24 Posted 15/03/2015 at 03:34:32
I had a go at Tim via Instagram last week – he was most certainly mad and soon later deleted all trace of the conversation – blocking me from following his account.

Now I read this article and which suggests he doesnÂ’t care at all about social media and what we have to say? Hmmmm.... Make up your mind, Tim. Butt hurt to be sure.

John Otway
25 Posted 15/03/2015 at 07:21:31
Why in GodÂ’s name didnÂ’t we buy Nyland in January, BK/RM?
Graham Mockford
26 Posted 15/03/2015 at 07:26:40
Well done, Brett, you must be very proud.

Sounds like a very productive way to support your team by posting abuse on a playerÂ’s social media account. Keep up the good work.

Mike Price
27 Posted 15/03/2015 at 07:09:14
My least favourite Everton player of all time.

Never ever rated him. Last season was despite him, not because of him and he, along with Martinez, is the main cause of this catastrophic season.

Body language and listening to him, suggests his teammates are thinking along similar lines too.

Darren Hind
29 Posted 15/03/2015 at 07:39:46
I wonder if 40,000 matchgoers could convince Jenny Seagrove that sweet talking BK into giving them the Gig would be a good idea?
Paul Smith
30 Posted 15/03/2015 at 07:46:25
I think itÂ’s obvious heÂ’s feeling a bit hurt by it all and his defences are up. Just imagine being screamed at that "YouÂ’re dog shit" every weekend (and he has been mind).

What I canÂ’t agree with is abusing him over social media. A contradiction maybe, but at the match heÂ’s fair game; over the Internet? Not for me!

Richard Earle
31 Posted 15/03/2015 at 07:40:35
HeÂ’s as much in denial about our predicament as Roberto and he will look at the stats at the end of the season? Well heÂ’s going to see lowest Everton points haul in Premier League history and fewest clean sheets in a season. Great stats mate. But itÂ’s OK you can bugger off to the States anytime because they love you over there and weÂ’ll pick up the pieces.

I wish the manager and the players would take some responsibility and just admit when performances arenÂ’t good enough. That is the root of the problem with this club at the moment. Look how candid Gus Poyet was about his shortcomings after yesterdayÂ’s match.

Sue Brown
33 Posted 15/03/2015 at 07:13:52
When are the club going to stop these tossers from talking to the press? I read through the quotes and it just about sums up why weÂ’re in this position.

"To hell with the criticism"... "IÂ’m not fussed what people say"... "I come to work everyday.... so itÂ’s not a concern"... "ItÂ’s not something IÂ’m going to worry about."

So, Tim, you think weÂ’re all sitting in the pub having a beer and getting all worked up for nothing? ... give me strength!

I know thereÂ’s not much view when youÂ’re so far up your own backside but LOOK at your performances man and our position in the table.

Karl Jones
34 Posted 15/03/2015 at 08:19:57
Just cant believe his comment about not being in a relegation battle! As I said a couple of weeks ago, Villa are now same points as us and Tim Sherwood has just said theyÂ’re still right in it. Teams below us accept theyÂ’re in a relegation fight and are playing with far more determination, tempo and passion that we are. No doubt theyÂ’ll start slow again against Newcastle because these days it takes a goal conceded before we start trying to score a goal ourselves. Is there anyone left who actually enjoys watching Everton at Goodison?
Gerry Quinn
35 Posted 15/03/2015 at 08:47:25
He’s got the NFL mentality – doesn’t matter if you lose every game – no such thing as relegation!

Wake up. man, we are in serious trouble here, trouble you have helped get us into...

Dave Abrahams
36 Posted 15/03/2015 at 08:51:26
I think he would worry a bit more if Martinez does what he should have done a few weeks ago. We all know what that should have been.
Ian Brandes
37 Posted 15/03/2015 at 09:09:28
Supreme arrogance, and as delusional as RM. Hope he has gone by end of this hellish season.
Christopher Dover
38 Posted 15/03/2015 at 08:46:31
"I donÂ’t [focus on numbers], I usually wait until the end of the season, figure it out, see the stats, think it was better than last year, worse than last year, better than years in the past.

"I don’t know, it is not something I am going to worry about." – The above quotes from Howard show what a bubble they are in.

Most of my life working on the road had to justify (and be paid by) monthly sales. What a wonderful life I could have had if I could have said "Sod it, lets leave it for 12 months then look at how I have performed; if good, great – I want a rise; if bad, so what? I will try a bit harder next time." But meantime the money rolls in good or bad.

I really do not like to criticise plays as I have taken the view they play, or try to play, to the managerÂ’s instructions; if not comfortable, or not skilled enough, they will fall short and, the more they try, the worse it can get. But when an experienced player who is having a poor season quotes he does not look at his performance for a season, denies that with only few points off the bottom three that we are not in a relegation fight, then I like many others wonder what is going on at this club.

I just hope that, when the season is over, they do not all meet in a closed room wondering how they got relegated, before going on there well-earned holidays to rest before starting with their new club or playing in the Championship with their Premier League wages, not worrying about how they do as they pass sideways and fall down the league, but not to worry we will look how we have done at the end of the season!!

Callum McNab
40 Posted 15/03/2015 at 09:18:16
Looks like Tim has come from the school of Clarkson in his arrogance and ego trip. Seems to think that he deserves to be in the team no matter what( even as someone has pointed out he has been the worsed keeper in the prem this season).
I agree that everybody has to get behind the team,and in my eyes thatÂ’s what has been happening. I donÂ’t think there is any greater supporting club than Everton, when you think of the dross that has been served up over the years.
This just shows me how piss weak Bobby is,the likes of Howard know they will be in the team no matter how many points they cost us,and God forbid even Putting us in the relegation mess.
Peter Barry
41 Posted 15/03/2015 at 09:28:01
I was thrown off a San Francisco Everton Facebook site for daring to say Howard was crap.
Phil Walling
44 Posted 15/03/2015 at 09:41:56
Frankly, IÂ’m a bit surprised my TimÂ’s comments for whilst he has always been miles behind Big Nev, Nigel Martin and my schoolboy hero Westy, I looked on him as a good honest pro who related to us mere mortals. Now he comes over as an arrogant fool.

Yes, I would expect it from Mirallas who really does play for himself and we already know EtoÂ’o was totally single minded but Howard after the season heÂ’s had ?

In his defence, he has taken a right hammering here and on social media and has every right to defend himself. But well judged comments? I think not.

Colin Glassar
45 Posted 15/03/2015 at 09:58:43
"We get two wins on the bounce and we are straight up there".
Errrmmmm, no Tim. If we get two straight wins we COULD move up to 12th depending on the two teams above us dropping points but no further. Do the maths you bearded fool.
Matt Williams
47 Posted 15/03/2015 at 10:15:49
Colin Glasser, never mind the poor numeracy skills where are these 2 wins on the bounce coming from? And if it is so easy to win 2 on the spin why havenÂ’t we done it?

My issue with him isnÂ’t just his God awful performances itÂ’s the fact heÂ’s affecting those in front of him by creating uncertainty.

Stu Gore
48 Posted 15/03/2015 at 10:25:27
So weÂ’ll finish the season on 58 points with the Europa cup? Oh, thatÂ’s alright then. For a moment I was a little worried.
John Gee
49 Posted 15/03/2015 at 10:16:25
This has got to be one of the most worrying interviews IÂ’ve ever read.

One point per game average, most number of individual mistakes, fans praying for a clean sheet, lowest ever PL points haul, worst season in over 70 years, no league win at home for 4 months.

WhatÂ’s it going to take for the truth to dawn on you Tim? Because IÂ’ll promise this, if we get relegated you wonÂ’t be welcome on Merseyside as youÂ’re the player most at fault.

Tony Draper
50 Posted 15/03/2015 at 10:29:00
IÂ’m not fussed about Big Brave Words, only Big Brave Performances.

So today on Mothers Day, Evertonians playing or spectating, give "The Grand Old Lady" only the very best.

Sean Kelly
51 Posted 15/03/2015 at 10:17:16
HeÂ’s a fool supported by another fool Martinez. The arrogance of his comments are unbelievable. ItÂ’s all about Tim. HeÂ’s comfortable with his lot because he knows Martinez is never going to drop him. Remember earlier this season when mengolet was flapping Brenda dropped him. He came back and has been playing well since. Howard doesnÂ’t give a fuck about anything.
He says he looks at the stats when the season is over. WTF once a year. Robles may not be the answer but heÂ’s the best we have at the moment.
I hope some mls team comes in and takes Howard away in the summer.

Oh by the way Timmy look at the table you deluded gobshite. We are deep in the shite thanks to you. Remember Leicester recently ?
Sorry if I offended you. You sensitive arrogant tool.

Ray Roche
52 Posted 15/03/2015 at 10:13:15
Phil, agree entirely, Howard is certainly nowhere near the worst keeper weÂ’ve ever had, and those who think he is never witnessed Dai "The Drop" Davies or Dave Lawson, Espen Bardsen,Sander Westerveld, Steve Simonson ,Paul Gerrard, Richard Wright, all complete and utter Muppetts of the first order. Unfortunately Howard is like a house guest who has stayed a bit too long. He has been a top class keeper until the past couple of seasons but letÂ’s just confine that to history,hey? LetÂ’s just make personal attacks on the guy on fuckinÂ’ Social bastard media. Any keyboard warrior on here care to say these things to his face down a dark alley? No fuckinÂ’ chance. And remember, he has actually kept 3 times as many clean sheets as Martyn,who, along with West, was shaded only by Southall in my opinion. Some people on here want to do a little thinking before they start bashing away at their keyboard.

Martinez picks him. No one else.

David Greenwood
53 Posted 15/03/2015 at 10:37:06
Look a the stats once a year. Dear oh dear. So you only analyse your performance once a year. No thinking about how what you did well(!!!), what you could have done better on a game by game basis. ThatÂ’s a thoroughly professional approach.
Peter Bell
54 Posted 15/03/2015 at 10:52:55
Ray @52 I totally agree, no way is Howard even in the top 10 of our worst ever keepers.
It is probably the same post 90S supporters who used to say Naismith was our worst ever player having never seen the dross of previous centuries
Eddie Dunn
55 Posted 15/03/2015 at 10:35:18
Tim Howard been living in the UK too long.

It was very unusual for Mr President to call and congratulate players who had lost to Little Belgium in the round of 16.

TimÂ’s standards have dropped due to lack of competition, and despite Robles improvement, Martinez has allowed Tim to walk straight back in.
No meritocracy, no pressure.
I know a goalieÂ’s mistakes are amplified compared to other players, but good keepers do all the routine stuff, and then pull off saves that keep you in games that you should be losing.
Tim rarely does this these days, and unfortunately often does inexplicable things that panic his defence and cost us goals.

Out of touch with reality and the fan-base.

James Hughes
56 Posted 15/03/2015 at 10:53:14
Others have beaten me to this point but anyway:-

Please, please, pretty please with sugar and a cherry on top- could we have those 2 wins on the bounce Tim.

Thanking you in advance

worried, Essex.

John Gee
57 Posted 15/03/2015 at 10:57:21
Peter, Ray, youÂ’re right weÂ’ve had much worse so letÂ’s get off his back, give him a pay rise and another 5 years.

David Hallwood
58 Posted 15/03/2015 at 11:12:40
Of course heÂ’s not concerned; his job carries no threat, no matter how many schoolboy howlers he makes heÂ’ll be between the sticks next week, so why should he give a flying one? In fact why should he need to none his arithmetic skills (not in a relegation battle eh?) when heÂ’s on 80k a week-his got an accountant to count for him.

And to the posters that have pointed out that heÂ’s not the worst goalie weÂ’ve had (very true) I will counter that with the old cliche that youÂ’re only as good as your last game; sport is probably the most darwinesque of human activities-succeed or die, and with the bearded one between the sicks weÂ’re dying.

Joe Foster
59 Posted 15/03/2015 at 11:35:40
So we have never had an issue in the dressing room that is a positive. We seem to have issues on the pitch and that is a negative.

LetÂ’s see what happens today. Let it be 3 points to us football gods.

Andrew Cunningham
60 Posted 15/03/2015 at 11:35:28
So you are not worried Tim. When exactly will you be worried. Probably never because there is no hunger there for you. Regardless of our finish in the prem you will still retire a millionaire. And if you choose a nice plumb job as an expert on one of those American tv channels your life will be so rosy. Just let me remind you Tim that at this moment in time YOU are an employee of EVERTON F C and it is your fucking duty to be very worried and concerned about our predicament. I can only hope your comments were taken out of context. So I suggest you try and keep a clean sheet tonight Tim because this great club Fucking needs and deserves it.
Kevin Tully
61 Posted 15/03/2015 at 11:51:22
Comparing modern-day P.L. athletes with players of yesteryear is absolutely pointless.

Apart from the massive hike in wages they receive, we can choose from a worldwide pool of talent. That means our Â’keeper should be one of finest in World football (I bet heÂ’s one of highest paid, anyway)

Comparing Howard to a chubby smoker whoÂ’s diet consisted of steak and chips before a game is not really comparing apples with apples, is it?

Andrew Laird
62 Posted 15/03/2015 at 11:14:59
Our attacking stats from the last time we won 2 on the bounce (Villa and Burnley in October): played 19, failed to score in 10, scored once in 5 of those games and scored 2 or more in the other 4 games.
Our premier league status might hinge on whether Howard stays fit or not as Martinez wonÂ’t give him the arse splinters he deserves. If he stays in goal we will concede at least one goal in every game. If we continue with the same lack of cutting edge to our play after wasting 50+ minutes of each game passing backwards and sideways how many goals are we likely to get?
I know its scorned upon wishing injury on an Everton player but surely gluing a beard on to this voodoo doll wonÂ’t hurt the cause?
James Martin
63 Posted 15/03/2015 at 12:01:27
Joe I wish we had had some issues in the dressing room. The best teams always have that competitive edge that can boil over to in fighting. ThatÂ’s what should happen when you put so many natural winners and leaders together the clashes of personality ensure that they keep each otherÂ’s standards high. What we have done is packed the dressing room with a load of school prefect types who wouldnÂ’t say anything to anyone and there is not one leader amongst them. Could you imagine the likes of Neville, Cahill, Gravesen, Martyn, Ferguson not saying anything about a league season like this? No instead all of the lads are enjoying their pressure free kick about in the premier league all on their nice long contracts all guaranteed a place in the team, openly able to slag off Everton to the media hoping for a big move without reproach, ad all feigning mock surprise if the fans have the temerity not to worship them. This is one of the worst groups of players IÂ’ve seen in ages at Everton. Not talent wise, but in terms of respect for the club and the fans. In any past team, even though severely limited talent wise, there were players would give anything for Everton. They understood the fans and were gutted when they couldnÂ’t repay them. Now you have clowns like McCarthy (how many league goals and assists this year?) telling his own fans to calm down after heÂ’s just sliced one out for a corner that we then concede from, Howard (how many clean sheets) telling everyone that he is not bothered and thinks he is doing a good job, Lukaku and Mirallas (again how many league goals between them?) telling anyone who will listen how they want to be at a top club, and Martinez trying to convince everyone weÂ’re not in a relegation battle. It is embarrassing and they must consider the fans stupid to think weÂ’d lap it up. Hopefully theyÂ’ll either put up or shut up today because if they donÂ’t they will be hearing exactly what 40,000 Everton fans think of them, hope their precious egos can take it.
David Graves
64 Posted 15/03/2015 at 12:01:15
IÂ’ve always wondered what went on in the dysfunctional minds of those who follow the famous on social networks. At last I have an opportunity to find out more. Obviously you were engaging in the trolling before these comments so what were you posting? How shit you think he is? How shit we are playing? That weÂ’re doomed, That youÂ’re going to follow him home etc. etc.
Great work you fabulous keyboard champion.

And whilst IÂ’m at it "Least favourite Everton player of all Time"!! What sort of parallel football universe have you been living in if Tim Howard is at the top of any least/worst lists - unless it is your list of least favourite beards.

Peter Bell
65 Posted 15/03/2015 at 12:15:44
"Comparing modern-day P.L. athletes with players of yesteryear is absolutely pointless"

There we have it then, Kevin.
Time to wipe Dixies records from the history books

Gavin Johnson
66 Posted 15/03/2015 at 12:09:58
"I agree, Howard is not even in our list of top 10 worst keepers"

Yes, Howard has been better than Wright, Simonson, Gerrard, Westerveld, Bardsen, Mucha, and that German reserve keeper Moysie signed. He was probably better than some from yesteryear too. But if you judge Tim Howard on this seasons form, and that alone, heÂ’s a contender for the worst keeper to ever wear the Everton GK jersey.

Phil Sammon
67 Posted 15/03/2015 at 12:15:31
One of the strangest interviews IÂ’ve ever read. ItÂ’s like heÂ’s actually on a different planet.

No need for the personal insults obviously...but if thatÂ’s really his mindset then he needs mental help.

On the plus side, he couldnÂ’t do that much worse if he was wearing a straitjacket.

Kevin Tully
68 Posted 15/03/2015 at 12:21:10
Do you think he would score 60 a season against P.L. defenders, Peter?
Ray Roche
69 Posted 15/03/2015 at 12:33:41
John Gee #57.

Spot on,up until your last comma.

Kevin Tully #68
"Do you think he would score 60 a season against P.L. defenders, Peter?"
WeÂ’ll never know, just as weÂ’ll never know for sure (but I can guess) that Ronaldo wouldnÂ’t last more than one tackle in the Dean years.This topic is worth a thread on itÂ’s own...

Basically, Howard is well past his best, but he doesnÂ’t pick himself. Nor does Osman, but heÂ’ll still get a dogÂ’s abuse with his first mistake.

Graham Mockford
70 Posted 15/03/2015 at 13:14:00
Personally I think most of the stick Tim is getting is bordering on the ridiculous. Has he been at his best this year is an obvious no but to listen to some on here you would think he had been losing games on his own.

Every goal that goes in now has someone blaming him, some seem obsessed with his beard ffs.

We then have an idiot coming on openly boasting that they have managed to be blocked for trolling one of our own players via social media and now Gavin wants us to believe " he is a contender for the worst keeper to ever wear the Everton GK jersey" ....... Seriously.

HereÂ’s what IÂ’m going to do. IÂ’m going to put my strong reservations about our future under the current regime to one side and get in the car, drive to the game and support my team because given our current state itÂ’s probably going to be a bit more productive than whingeing and wining. Otherwise I might as well support Sunderland.

Kevin Rowlands
71 Posted 15/03/2015 at 13:49:48
So in Howards world it doesnÂ’t matter how many mistakes you make, how poorly you play, how bad the team plays, how low your league position is, if you put your heart and soul into it thatÂ’s good enough, that means that all of us on here should be playing for Everton!

After reading shite like this and following Baines comments in the week something is really rotten at our club, this season canÂ’t end soon enough for me, Martinez out in the summer and take this arrogant twat with you please!

Jay Wood
72 Posted 15/03/2015 at 12:34:44
Whilst I agree TH leaves himself wide open to criticism for his comments in this interview, harnessed to his very poor form this season, IMO that doesnÂ’t justify the extreme vitriol expressed by many against our players in this thread and others, be that Mirallas, Lukaku ... fill in the blank.

In this regard itÂ’s appropriate (but perhaps not in the way he intended...) that Phil Sammon @ 67 writes:

"...if thatÂ’s really his mindset then he needs mental help.
On the plus side, he couldnÂ’t do that much worse if he was wearing a straitjacket."

Alluding to mental health and straight jackets jeminds me of Jack NicholsonÂ’s McMurphy in Â’One Flew Over The CuckooÂ’s NestÂ’ recognizing how the evil Nurse Ratched manipulates patients by making them turn on each other as a way to emasculate and control them.

McMurphy describes the process as "a bunch of chickens at a peckinÂ’ party."

And thatÂ’s what so many of threads such as this degenerate into ... loads of squawking and clucking by an angry flock, trying to outdo the others in their indignation and condemnation.

THÂ’s had a shit season. His interview quite rightly is being challenged by some. But many comments and observations are waaaaayyyyy OTT IMO and says a great deal more about the mindset of the posters than that of TH or any other player lambasted on this pages in a similar vein in recent weeks.

Allan Board
73 Posted 15/03/2015 at 14:09:17
Umm, Tim, you may need to keep schtum in future and say "Thanks but no thanks" to interviews.

Talk about setting yourself up for a fall! Dear oh dear!!

David Hallwood
74 Posted 15/03/2015 at 14:03:52
IÂ’m sorry Graham(#70) but the answer is yes his poor form has cost us 12-15 points this season, whereas someone like De Gea has won the similar amount of points; it really is as simple as that.

In his and any other GKs defence;whoÂ’d be a goalie? A striker can miss 6 sitters and score 1 and end up the hero, whereas a goalie can make 6world class saves and 1 howler that results in a goal and thatÂ’s the one thatÂ’s remembered.

But that is the nature of the beast and always has been, TH,IMO has always been a flapper and has never looked comfortable commanding his 6yrd area, but has been a better than average shot stopper. Even that has deserted him; get shut ASAP or weÂ’re going down.

Gavin Johnson
75 Posted 15/03/2015 at 14:12:47
Graham #70. I believe Howard is a contender for worst Everton GK based on the context of his form this season. Of course, heÂ’s been a lot better than the likes of Richard Wright and Paul Gerrard. But Â’BEENÂ’ is the operative word! Tim Howard has been the worst GK in the EPL this season. ThatÂ’s not my opinion, thatÂ’s a fact!

Peter Bell
76 Posted 15/03/2015 at 14:27:24
Gavin, both Graeme Sharp and Peter Reid were shite in their last seasons also, doesnt put them in the worst top 10
Paul Tran
77 Posted 15/03/2015 at 14:30:13
So, Gavin, you donÂ’t remember David Lawson or Dai Davies?
Sam Hoare
78 Posted 15/03/2015 at 13:53:56
A weird twisted part of me wants to lose the next three so Howard can see how stupid it is to say we are not in a relegation fight when 3 points off...
Gavin Johnson
79 Posted 15/03/2015 at 14:28:41
YouÂ’re completely right, Peter, but IÂ’d argue that they didnÂ’t cost us points like Howard from errors and poor positioning. Unfortunately a GK is judged more on their mistakes than any other position and because Howard is not up to standard any more heÂ’s going to have a lot of people criticising him. Especially when you read interviews like this, where he comes across like being Everton GK is just a job and his general attitude is that of Â’Que sera seraÂ’.
Colin Glassar
80 Posted 15/03/2015 at 14:39:23
Terrible thing to say Sam but I can see where you are coming from. Even so, shame on you (wink, wink).
Phil Walling
81 Posted 15/03/2015 at 14:47:18
IÂ’ve blocked out all thoughts of poxy goalkeepers and deluded managers to concentrate on my belief that there is Â’someone up thereÂ’ who determines that Everton can NEVER go down.

This afternoonÂ’s game will tell me whether or not there is really power in prayer !

Paul Tran
82 Posted 15/03/2015 at 14:54:16
Phil, Â’someone up thereÂ’ has declared four teams so poor that even if we fail to win a game till the end of the season, weÂ’ll still stay up. The real issue whether that someone will bring back last seasonÂ’s manager, or find us one who can perform for more than one season!

Relax, enjoy todayÂ’s game and remember that if we lose, heÂ’s picked the team and tactics, if we win itÂ’s all down to the crowd and the ghost of managers previous.

You might want to challenge your bookie friend to a spread bet - 41 points is very ambitious!

Terry McLavey
83 Posted 15/03/2015 at 16:47:25
He has also spent a lot of time looking at the back of the net whilst picking the fucking ball up ! (Whilst ?! IÂ’ve turned into Charles Dickens !) Hopefully Timmy will turn into a goalie !
Sam Rangle
84 Posted 15/03/2015 at 19:02:10
James Martin... god dammit, nailed it as usual. Our players are so comfortable itÂ’s disconcerting. No worries for them. All on big contracts and not a worry in the world. No heart, no passion.
Andy Meighan
85 Posted 15/03/2015 at 19:15:27
HeÂ’s been a good catch for us, no mistake... but heÂ’s had his time now; heÂ’s looking his age, IÂ’m afraid, and I think he knows this himself, reading between the lines.

HeÂ’s seen how Joel Robles performed in his absence and itÂ’s got to him. HeÂ’s yet to keep a clean sheet since he got back in, flapping at crosses and bad decision-making. Sorry Tim for me its a no. Go quietly at the end of the season. Oh, and yes, we are in a relegation battle.

Kevin Tully
86 Posted 15/03/2015 at 19:41:54
Jay Wood - I wonÂ’t bother looking up your previous posts, but your defence of Howard comes across as totally bizarre. That is all.
Graham Mockford
87 Posted 15/03/2015 at 19:47:04
Gavin #75

I think you are confusing opinion with fact.

From my seat, I saw the "contender for the worst keeper ever to wear the Everton GK jerseyÂ’Â’ have an impeccable game including two top-class saves. It even seems we are no longer in a relegation battle.

How does the saying go... "ItÂ’s a funny old game"

Jay Wood
88 Posted 15/03/2015 at 19:55:54
@ Kevin 86 - Need to go to specsavers Kev?

I make no defence of TH. I explicitly say the criticism of THÂ’s interview and his form this season is understandable and justified. WhatÂ’s bizarre about that?

I offered my personal opinion on a more general point on the frenzied hen peckinÂ’ that invariably threads such as these degenerate into.

Not too bizarre for you to understand I hope, that IÂ’m expressing a personally held opinion and exercising my right as an Evertonian to post on an Everton-related matter on a public forum dedicated to the club I support, as contrarian as it may be to your own opinion...?

Gavin Johnson
89 Posted 15/03/2015 at 21:15:48
Graham, I made a perfectly good point. You took my point out of context. I said he was perhaps EvertonÂ’s worst goalie on this seasons form alone. If we had signed him last summer I think most would be putting him up for the worst ever keeper ever. I canÂ’t think of any other keeper who cost us any many points over a season.

He made a good save today, which IÂ’ll give him credit for. But it will take a lot of saves like that and more than one clean sheet in how many games before he reaches the level he used to be at.

Gavin Johnson
90 Posted 15/03/2015 at 21:23:48
Graham, I was also going on goal keeper statistics that say Howard is the worst goalkeeper in the EPL this season. These say he has made the most errors and the least percentage of saves per shots. These are facts and not just opinion.
Gavin Johnson
91 Posted 15/03/2015 at 21:30:15
#89 sorry, meant worst Everton keeper ever.
Jim Hardin
92 Posted 15/03/2015 at 21:01:21
Guess now that Howard has a clean sheet (since that seems to be the only "stat" you measure a GK by, ironically, the one a gk has the least control over) you posters bashing him will crawl back under your rocks. Complete lunacy by many posters, including the fan who claimed TH is the worst GK in the EPL as a "fact". Problem is that the stats sites do not bear this out. Please tell us what the basis for the fact is as among others disagrees with that conclusion.

For those claiming he has cost us 12-15 points – again, what games? For those claiming last season was despite him, you do realize his stats were better overall in the main key areas of saves per goal, distribution, saves, and effectiveness than Cech, De Gea, and Lloris last season? So how could he not have been responsible for 12-15 points to the good last season then?

You posters complain about Mirallas and Lukaku (guess you are also eating your words about him) saying they might want to leave someday but guys like Howard and Baines, you are ready to trash and replace instantly even though they have stayed loyal to the club.

Kevin Tully
93 Posted 15/03/2015 at 21:38:19
Jay, sorry, hasnÂ’t Frankie made the most individual mistakes of any Â’keeper leading to goals this season? I am a great defender of all Evertonians who DO NOT deserve criticism. That man deserves ALL the shit coming his way. He has cost our team 10 points or more - Rafa : Fact.
Roger Helm
94 Posted 15/03/2015 at 21:52:47
Well, Tim, you bloody well should be bothered about the criticism. If you were playing well there wouldnÂ’t be any criticism.

If you put your head on the right way up you might do better.

Dave Abrahams
95 Posted 15/03/2015 at 21:52:27
Jim (92) are you saying Howard is a good goalkeeper this season and has he played to the level you think he has had previously.

I think he has been EvertonÂ’s worst player this year and he is past his best, whatever that amounted to. He has been paid, IMO, much, much more than his ability warranted.

Graham Mockford
96 Posted 15/03/2015 at 21:47:07

I will ignore my aversion to anyone calling it the EPL. ItÂ’s the fucking league, always has been always will be.

Let me just explain the difference between fact and opinion. WeÂ’ll start with an easy one,

Fact: Everton are 14th in the league;
Opinion: Everton are the 14th best team in the league

You see where IÂ’m going here?

Fact: Tim Howard has the lowest percentage of saves per shots.
Opinion: Tim Howard is the worst keeper in the league.

IÂ’ve ignored the errors stat because that is even worse, an opinion based on someoneÂ’s opinion of what is an error or not.

Anyway IÂ’ve done some statistical analysis of my own based on this weekendÂ’s games. Aston Villa are the best side in the country, Mourinho is an average manager and Sergio Aguero is one of the worst strikers of the last two days with an appallingly bad strike rate of zero goals per game.

Gavin Johnson
99 Posted 15/03/2015 at 22:24:09
Jim, the facts on how shite Howard has become were Opta statistics before Christmas. And if anything his forms become even worse.
Mike Price
100 Posted 15/03/2015 at 22:25:00
I second that Gavin!

IÂ’ve always thought he was the epitome of a dodgy keeper but this season itÂ’s got way beyond a joke.

Decent save today though.

John Daley
103 Posted 15/03/2015 at 22:55:05
"To be honest though heÂ’s not really what I normally go for. IÂ’ve always preferred the big bear sort."

Well, Howard was aiming more for the Woodsman from Red Riding Hood look, Graham.


Who could resist?

Gavin Johnson
110 Posted 16/03/2015 at 05:35:38
Of course there’s variables within statistics and while it may be a fact that Timmy has the lowest saves per shot ratio in the league, his apologists will have a love-in with him and interpret these stats as they wish – blaming variables like Bobby placing emphasis on playing from the back, or defenders not doing their bit.

Even taking this into account, only his most biggest supporters would deny that his form this season has not been as it was, and, as it should be for an Everton goalkeeper.

Phil Walling
111 Posted 16/03/2015 at 08:49:38
There was little wrong with his display yesterday and he made one outstanding save. Whilst the manager typically exaggerated by stating Â’he had a great gameÂ’, Tim, in common with the rest of the team did look a lot more Â’comfortableÂ’. Thank gawd.
Andrew Laird
112 Posted 16/03/2015 at 09:13:03
Jim, I must admit Howard has made me change my mind about him. I was concerned by his dreadful performances this season, his inability to use his feet for positioning or to kick a football and his lack of awareness and command of his area. The countless times he watches on helpless as the ball is 50ft in the air just a few metres from him while he letÂ’s a defender header it instead of realising that he is 6ft-3in and can use his hands was grating on me after 30 odd games he has played this season.

However, he kept a clean sheet for 90 minutes yesterday and made 1 good save so I will be eating my words because it seems that the rest of this season does not count.... USA, USA etc.

Laurie Hartley
113 Posted 16/03/2015 at 09:18:46
Phil at 81 - I am happy to report that indeed there is. See John MaloneÂ’s post at 136 in the match preview.

Dave Abrahams
114 Posted 16/03/2015 at 10:01:30
Andrew, keep watching him, heÂ’ll make you change your mind again.
Brian Hennessy
115 Posted 16/03/2015 at 10:27:52
Could someone please run up to Timmy at our next match with a measuring tape and physically measure his height, I canÂ’t believe he is 6-ft 3-in, he looks much smaller to me...
Andrew Laird
116 Posted 16/03/2015 at 11:42:38
Dave, I wish there was a sarcasm font for my previous post. Jim seems to think after his first clean sheet since November and 1 difficult save that we should forget this seasonÂ’s abject goalkeeping performances and the panic that has spread throughout the defence.
Eugene Ruane
117 Posted 16/03/2015 at 11:28:07
I really love the Australian comedy film The Club.

Have watched it many times over the years.

Made in 1980, it tells the story of an Aussie Rules football club and provides hilarious insights into the running of a professional sports club - the players, coaches, chairman, board etc.

The reason I mention it is because against Kiev, just before they scored, Howard did something (or rather didnÂ’t do something) that reminded me of a moment from the film.

IÂ’ve just discovered the entire film is now on youtube (link below) and I recommend it thoroughly, but if you want to see the moment IÂ’m talking about, start at 39.30 and watch the next minute (for Howard, see Â’HeywoodÂ’)

My favourite line from the film comes from ex-club legend, board member and Â’manÂ’s manÂ’, Jock (the Â’SharpyÂ’ of the film).

"I remember having a shocking game, went home and my missus Dulcie told me IÂ’d had a bad I thumped her. She apologised later but by then the damage had been done"

The Club - Link

(nb: Â’The CastleÂ’ and Â’DonÂ’s PartyÂ’ - two more great Aussie comedies)

Kevin Jones
118 Posted 16/03/2015 at 12:10:58
To tell you the GodÂ’s honest truth, if I was on 㿨-㿲,000 a week I wouldnÂ’t give a shit either. People shouting at him isnÂ’t going to affect him as he knows heÂ’s playing next game. Shouting your shit mean nothing to him, should do, but reading his statement obviously it doesnÂ’t.

He probably thinks along the lines of the old Chubby Brown line for hecklers, "If you where that important the seat would facing fucking you"

Tony J Williams
119 Posted 16/03/2015 at 12:52:39
"The countless times he watches on helpless as the ball is 50ft in the air just a few metres from him while he letÂ’s a defender header it instead of realising that he is 6ft3 and can use his hands was grating on me after 30 odd games he has played this season."

30 odd games?, how about 8 fucking years....

Andrew Laird
120 Posted 16/03/2015 at 13:00:13
Come on now Tony, Jim says Howard has been great in the past. DonÂ’t believe your own eyes.
Dave Abrahams
121 Posted 16/03/2015 at 13:32:36
Andrew (116) sorry, never got the way you were having a go at Timmy, early Monday morning, sorry again.
Tony J Williams
122 Posted 16/03/2015 at 13:13:12
DonÂ’t get me wrong, I think Taliban Tim is a decent keeper... he just frustrates the feck out of me with his shittiness in going through defenders/attackers alike to collect a ball.

I will always go back to the Chelsea semi in the Carling Cup, when the fucking diminutive Eddie Murphy look alike out jumped him and Lescott in the final minute to make it 2-1 at their gaffe.

The size of the fecker, he should be clearing every fecker out.... the ref will never call it against you

Colin Grierson
123 Posted 16/03/2015 at 13:19:57
So if Tim is not arsed what people say then why did he pipe up when Moyes was getting his just desserts last season?

HeÂ’s not been a terrible keeper for us as some have suggested but heÂ’s certainly not the best.

I wish he would shut up and go and pack his bags now though. He is a bearded bell-end and always has been IMO.

Colin Grierson
124 Posted 16/03/2015 at 16:20:58
Apart from when he didnÂ’t have a beard. He was just a bell-end then.
Darren Hind
126 Posted 16/03/2015 at 19:56:41
The guy canÂ’t move his feet. If he was a boxer, heÂ’d have a face like Steve Bruce.
James Stewart
127 Posted 16/03/2015 at 20:30:08
Never rated him. Always has a mistake in him and seems like a egotist to boot. Fergie didnÂ’t take long to make up his mind on him and I donÂ’t think heÂ’s improved at all with age.
Jim Hardin
128 Posted 16/03/2015 at 22:44:39
Andrew Laird, Thanks for the comments on me but my vision is fine. I am a goalkeeper, I coach goalkeeping, have two kids who are keepers and one who is playing in college, so I guess I do not know anything. I never said Howard is up to his prior years but in the last three games what has he done wrong? I use three games since that is the standard you seem to think establishes Robles as a great keeper. I compared multiple stats from two sites for the last season comparison. Watch Green in goal or even Krul to see a really poor goalkeeper out of form.

Those claiming Howard flaps at crosses either donÂ’t watch or have no idea. Again, I reference the fan who claimed Howard should have charged almost 16 yards off his line to get the cross before Moses headed it in. Insanity. I watched Howard play and have read the comments about crosses and he does what he always has and has been good enough for Everton and the USA (Our goalkeeper advanced out of group l at the World Cup right?).

I also donÂ’t go after every cross if it is too far out, there is traffic, it is a driving rain, or it is high and going to clear my posts since I presumably have defenders to take care of the rest. I also have a player on my near post and back post.

Mark Andersson
129 Posted 17/03/2015 at 09:26:05
Oh dear... took me two days to read all the posts. Darren Hind that was funny.

So Howard is not that popular by the sounds of it. WhatÂ’s that old saying if you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all.

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