Getting rid?

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New coach, new dawn, new players. It's all good. There is plenty of speculation about who we will buy. I enjoy it though I accept it is pointless. What I don't understand is Evertonians with a "get rid", list.

In my view, every player at the club should have a chance. I believe some of our squad could perhaps be a revelation under a proper coach. Super fit, well motivated and confident. None of that costs money. Oumar Niasse for example. He may indeed be not much good... but, to judge him on the very limited chance he has had, seems to me to be harsh. Fit, a run in the side, confidence boosted; who knows what we might see? Anyway, someone at our club thought he was good.

I think every player should have a clean slate. When the influence of the abysmal Roberto Martinez is removed, who knows what we might have? It might be like half-a-dozen new signings.

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Keith Harrison
1 Posted 17/06/2016 at 22:08:30
Andy, virtually everyone at the club thinks Niasse is a talentless waste of money. And that was told to me personally from a very well respected member of the club hierarchy involved with the football side. Not a Steward etc.

If RK can transform him, he should change his name to Paul Daniels.

Colin Glassar
2 Posted 17/06/2016 at 22:32:48
Well Keith, Andy, Martinez still hasn't been paid off yet. Might this be deducted from his severance pay? Although whoever spotted him and signed the cheque should also be penalised IMO.
Dan Davies
3 Posted 18/06/2016 at 03:07:26
Okay Keith, who do you know that is in the 'very well respected member of the club hierarchy'?

Do you personally know any of the board? That my friend is the hierarchy; below that is bullshit.

Phil Sammon
7 Posted 18/06/2016 at 05:26:31
I don't get your point really, Andy.

We fans watch the game and then come on ToffeeWeb to discuss it. Of course we are all going to have our opinions of who should be in or out of the door... and surely this is the forum in which to discuss it.

I'm sure every player will be given a chance, especially our 3rd most expensive signing. If he gets slung out on his arse then it's because he's not good enough – not because the fans are out to get him.

Laurie Hartley
8 Posted 18/06/2016 at 05:29:35
Andy – good post. I agree with your sentiments.

I have been particularly cheesed off with Romalu Lukaku's comments to the press but let's see how our new gaffer handles it.

One player who I think will really benefit from the appointment of Ronald Koeman is Kevin Mirallas.

Andy Osborne
10 Posted 18/06/2016 at 07:22:29
A bit harsh, Dan, and interesting, Keith. I too have a connection to a respected member of staff, and I get to hear things from time to time. But I don't post the info on here because I would get shot down for using "un-named" sources, and I am not about to name him, because he wouldn't be a source anymore. It's a rock and a hard place. So I choose to sit quietly and smile.
Brian Foley
11 Posted 18/06/2016 at 07:34:06
Andy & Laurie good posts. I agree, look, it's open house anyone who hasn't left is technically available for selection. When Mr Koeman buys a few in a few may leave whether they want to or not.

A few private chats with the boss will sort this out one way or the other... and like Mr Clough said after one of these chats with a player, 'We both found I was right.'

Thanks to Ossie, Hibbo & Peanuts, varying degrees of ability here but time waits for no man. Ability or lack of it will also help Mr Koeman decide on his starting squad.

Keith Harrison
12 Posted 18/06/2016 at 08:33:11
Lads,

I don't have connections (at least not like I did years ago). This was at a social function, and there was a photograph of me and the person concerned on the Offside Forum a few weeks ago.

He told me Niasse was not scouted, he is shite, and that Rom, and probably Stones would be leaving this summer.

I am full of shit, haven't had my ablutions yet this morning, as I've got up early to watch Wales get slaughtered in New Zealand. Would you be so kind, Dan, as to post your pic on Tinypic on the OF, and I'll print it off. Short of Andrex until the wife goes shopping, mate.

Andy O – that's why I didn't name him mate, and I would normally do the same, but Niasse is a special case. As are those who bought him!

Thanks to the lads supporting me, but don't ban him please mods. It's dickheads like Dan's opinions that keep the site interesting, if not exactly poet laureate stuff.

Keith Harrison
13 Posted 18/06/2016 at 08:36:47
And that's not anti-Welsh by the way. I am on New Zealand with 21 points deducted. just feel it's lambs to the slaughter today after their herculean efforts last week. England to beat Australia again too.

Mirallas to excel this season I think, like you, Laurie.

Andy Osborne
14 Posted 18/06/2016 at 11:25:31
Looks like Lukaku has come out in the press and said more stuff about playing well in the Euros to get more teams interested in him. I would love to be a "fly on the wall" during Big Rons conversation with him.

Keith, don't get me wrong, I love it when you (and others) post on here about things you hear; you won't get any shit from me about un-named sources. It's always interesting to see if they come true.

Tony Hill
15 Posted 18/06/2016 at 11:37:45
Laurie (8), very interesting about Mirallas with Koeman's management. When he first arrived he was superb (until nobbled by the rat) and still has the gift of going past players and scoring goals. At 28 years of age, it would be a fantastic bonus if Koeman could get him fully focused.
Mike Green
16 Posted 18/06/2016 at 11:46:21
I think you're absolutely right Andy, and I think Koeman will do exactly that; clean slate, make his own judgements and make decisions based on what he finds.

As for Lukaku, if this transcript is right we shouldn't have him anywhere near the first team. He might have huge playing potential but he's also got huge potential to disrupt the dressing room too. Egotistical prick - has he not watched back how bad he was against Italy?

A big part of me realises this is all engineered to force a move so fine, he can have his move. Put a price on his head and put him in the reserves until someone meets it. And as for upping his wages? You're having a laugh.

"...the Red Devils frontman seemingly has his heart set on a move to a 'great project'.

'I'll go to a club that will give me the chance to be part of a great project,' Lukaku told GQ Magazine.
'I'm only 23, I still have to improve. But I want to win titles because that's what we remember at the end of a career.'
'PSG is a big club, with a magnificent project and a world-class workforce. But everything is in the hands of my agent.'
'Many clubs are obviously interested in having me. I must continue to play well. If I have a good European Championships more clubs will be interested in me,
'But I am still under contract with Everton. We'll see what happens.'"

Mike Green
17 Posted 18/06/2016 at 11:51:29
'Many clubs are obviously interested in having me...'

Give me strength.

James Hughes
18 Posted 18/06/2016 at 12:12:23
It's the sentence straight after that, "I must continue to play well!"
It would be nice if he started, How about the FA Cup, the chances he missed in the semi? He was about much use as a plastic fireguard that day.
Mike Green
19 Posted 18/06/2016 at 12:15:42
Absolutely James #18. Delusions of grandeur.
Stephen Brown
20 Posted 18/06/2016 at 12:26:39
Lukaku is rapidly becoming my most disliked Everton player of all time! We have had plenty of dross but most have tried hard!

This guy despite being 'quite' good is openly taking the piss out of a club the size of Everton! A club which took a chance on him for huge money (I didn't hear of a queue of others) a club who pays him a fortune, a club who picks him when playing badly, gives him the penalty duties to boost his stats despite being crap at penalties!

My view is I thinks his mouth has damaged the relationship beyond repair! £65m and goodbye would be my preference!

Craig McFarlane
21 Posted 18/06/2016 at 12:55:15
About Rom shooting his mouth off in the press: I was reading an (admittedly anonymous) interview with an agent who was saying this is a standard route of forcing a transfer...

The player goes off talking to the press, gets the fans' backs up about him so they don't want him around the place anymore, which in turn makes it easier for them to be sold (the club doesn't want a hated player on the roster).

It does work - look at Sterling from across the park!

So, I'd say yes Rom is to blame, but I blame that rat Raiola the most... the lad is being badly advised and if nobody ponies up the dosh we want for him, it's going to be a difficult season for him as he's going to be forced to backtrack on all the codswallop he's put out in recent months (in fact it has already begun with his "I'm under contract at Everton" comment recently).

Frank Crewe
22 Posted 18/06/2016 at 12:58:23
"If I have a good European Championships more clubs will be interested in me"

After his hopeless performance in Belgium's first game my betting is he won't start their next one.

He has an obsession with winning things regardless of the quality of the league he is in. If this is the case then PSG, the french Celtic, is the ideal club. Super rich in a third rate league of paupers. Win the stuff every year.

Only 5 of the current french squad play for french clubs and a couple of those are looking for moves. French football is for overpaid has beens and not good enoughs. He'll fit right in.

Also players are not remembered for the cups they won but for the loyalty, service and entertainment they provided for the fans. Some great players never won anything but they'll always be remembered.

Phil Sammon
23 Posted 18/06/2016 at 13:18:31
I don't like to see Everton fans slagging off their own...but it's hard to argue here. Lukaku has himself (and his old man) to blame. If he wants a move, that's fair enough, but to go about it so publicly is really quite disrespectful to the club who pay him.

He's good on his day but not half as good as he thinks he is.

I trust Koeman's judgement and I'm sure the new boss wants to keep him...but to be honest I'll be very disappointed to see him in an Everton shirt next season.

Gary Mortimer
24 Posted 18/06/2016 at 13:26:34
"Many clubs are obviously interested in having me..."

Yep. The likes of Wrexham, Chester, Tranmere and Southport!!!

Martin Nicholls
25 Posted 18/06/2016 at 13:27:11
"Everything is in the hands of my agent". Really? Not the employer you are contracted to?
Jim Bailey
26 Posted 18/06/2016 at 13:34:59
Best thing for the club is to get shut.

㿭 mill might be a tad optimistic but to be honest I would take anything that makes us a profit just to rid our club from such an egotistical,arrogant individual.

His influence in the dressing mood must be detrimental to team spirit, so thanks Rom, see ya!

Rob Halligan
27 Posted 18/06/2016 at 13:54:51
PSG, eh!! The team that normally has a very poor French league won by January. Don't do very well in the CL though. Got bags of money though, so if he wants to go there, up the price a little bit.
Tom Bowers
28 Posted 18/06/2016 at 13:55:30
Seems likely that Lukaku will go and the quicker the better so Big K can replace him.

Rom will always score goals but he has poor ball control and there are many others who could do a better job up front for the right price.

The man has made the statements about leaving and quite honestly it would be crazy to start offering a new deal to get him to stay.

Niasse at the moment is an enigma. The club kept saying he wasn't fit enough to get the playing time since January and I suppose to be fair Big K needs to see him play before making any decisions as he does a few others especially in pre-season games.

Ben Dyke
29 Posted 18/06/2016 at 14:17:41
After this tournament who would buy Lukaku especially for £40m?

All the faults and strengths there to see, especially faults!!

Stephen Brown
30 Posted 18/06/2016 at 14:30:46
I'm torn about Lukaku in the euros – I'd love to see him have a nightmare to cut his ego a little but realise this is knocking money off his value! Because in all reality he has burnt his bridges at Everton!
James Morgan
31 Posted 18/06/2016 at 15:05:16
Well hopefully that nice goal Rom just scored puts a few quid on his value!
Paul Andrews
32 Posted 18/06/2016 at 15:08:42
Bad touch....

Lazy run....

Bad touch...

BANG!

Nick Page
34 Posted 18/06/2016 at 15:37:12
Lukaku nets 2. Now worth £65m again lol.

Quite like Axel Witsel. Long works harder than Lukaku but doesn't have the talent. Would only buy as a squad player. Lukaku wants it all on a plate. Something in between would be useful as need 1-11 working hard next season.

Dan Davies
35 Posted 18/06/2016 at 15:41:57
Apologies Keith, if I hurt your feelings, I should have worded it differently. Nice reply @12, though I won't take it personal seen as I'm not as sensitive as some on here.

John @6 sorry I'm not up to your educational standards my friend. Thought this was about football not English lessons? Thanks for helping me out though.

Mike Green
36 Posted 18/06/2016 at 16:16:00
Well, I know it's counterintuitive and probably immature at best but I was gutted watching Lukaku score today. Tells me I don't want him at Everton anymore, which is bizarre. Sell.
Mick Davies
37 Posted 18/06/2016 at 16:16:39
A good friend of my neighbour, who knows a certain well respected window cleaner who cleans the windows of a former member of the Finch Farm catering staff reckons Niasse may or may not be as bad as Keith's source makes out.
Phil Walling
39 Posted 19/06/2016 at 10:04:13
First rule of ToffeeWeb debate. Don't have a friend or relative that is anyway connected with Everton - even as a journalist. If you do, disown them, NEVER refer to them on here and for your own credibility, disbelieve anything they tell you - particularly if it happens to be at all contrary to the popular speculation on the thread.

In other words, toe the line at all times. Then you'll be a ToffeeWebber, my son !

John Otway
40 Posted 19/06/2016 at 10:43:21
Dan. 35. He who lives by the sword etc. Just giving you a dose of your own medicine. Calling a fellow TW poster "full of shit" is despicable.
Gareth Clark
41 Posted 19/06/2016 at 12:11:52
I have a feeling that Niasse will thrive under Koeman & I can't wait for all you naive people, who judge him without him having a chance! He reminds me of a Shane Long or Mane type player, which Koeman likes to work with.

You know someone in the Everton hierarchy who thinks he's shit... Well I think his opinion means fuckall mate. Koeman will judge him, and we will see what happens.

Jay Wood
42 Posted 19/06/2016 at 12:58:43
I agree with sentiment of Andy's opening post. Clean slate for all and allow the new man time to evaluate each individual player and if his talents and personality are a good fit for what RK wants from his players and team.

I think you put it even better in an earlier post Andy: an amnesty for all.

As for those claiming to be "in the know," there have been many such claims down the years. There was a whole plethora of wildly ranging views before and after Roberto's dismissal claiming 'insider knowledge.' None of them - not one of them, from my recall - proved correct.

Some enjoy and give credence to such claims. Each to their own. Me? I take such posts with a large pinch of salt, or if you prefer, giant sized roll of Andrex.

Dan Davies
43 Posted 19/06/2016 at 13:49:40
John @40, I accept I was blunt and could have phrased it better. Some might want to use colourful flowery language to express themselves, I expressed my thoughts at the time, which I felt got straight to the point. I have since apologised.

I take it then John you see yourself as my educational and moral better, otherwise why get involved? I'm sure Keith is more than capable of looking after himself and doesn't need you acting like his Rottweiler.

Where I'm from being called ignoramus and despicable is way more insulting than being called full of shit! Hey different strokes for different folks.

Keith Harrison
44 Posted 20/06/2016 at 12:20:45
Dan, it takes a big man to apologise, and you've done it admirably mate.
I've been away for the weekend, so just back on here now.

There also seems a lot of people who are 'In the Know' about who isn't 'in the know'.

The guy I spoke to was one of those in charge of the game against Norwich. If he doesn't know, I suggest no-one does. I had also posted the same previously, and virtually named the guy as I figured it wasn't breaking a confidence - as everyone and his dog could see Niasse is shite.

The rest of the stuff I was told will remain with me.

It would be great to getting back to miserable ToffeeWebbers as this glorious new beginning looks like being too much for some of us to bear.

Dan Davies
45 Posted 20/06/2016 at 22:19:43
If you had said his name I would have believed you more Keith! Anyways nothing personal like, we move on.
Keith Harrison
46 Posted 20/06/2016 at 23:38:17
Correct Dan, but if you drop names you're then Billy Big Boots, so you can't win. As I said, it was only because it was Niasse, I didn't think I was giving anything away.

Exciting times ahead methinks – without a clue from anybody at the club, I hasten to add. Even so, there appears to be posters with considerably more knowledge than the last guy to win us silverware, but I think I'd trust his judgement to theirs.

Damian Wilde
47 Posted 21/06/2016 at 10:51:07
Mirallas is a great player, love to him start. Spanish clown treated him disgracefully.
Darren Hind
48 Posted 23/06/2016 at 20:47:51
"the rest of the stuff I was told will remain with me"

Right get his shoes and socks off and I'll get the bamboo cane

Spill, Harrison

Dave Abrahams
49 Posted 23/06/2016 at 21:02:03
Talking about Niasse, it was well Rumoured, that's the key word, from Finch Farm that he wasn't up to much, that was before he had performed for Everton.

When he did play, he wasn't as bad as I imagined him to be; nothing special but not useless — nor should he be, considering the money he cost. Let's see how he performs after a full pre-season training period behind him.

By the way, if I'm not mistaken, Harold Mathews in one of his posts, said he liked the look of him and Harold wasn't a bad judge.


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