Lukaku talks of players' "broken" relationship with Martinez

by | 23/05/2016  122 Comments  [Jump to last]
In his latest comments to the Belgian media, Romelu Lukaku puts Everton's struggles over the last quarter of the season down to fractured relations between the players and manager Roberto Martinez.

Lukaku has been in typically open mood while on international duty and has already effectively signalled his desire to leave Goodison Park this summer. Now he has opened up more about what went wrong with the Blues after the FA Cup quarter final against Chelsea in March, although it's likely the issues he hints at were there long before.

"The team did not perform at all. We won two of our last 11 games,"he said. "When things are broken between the manager and the players, it becomes difficult."

The 23-year-old also talked of his yearning for a trophy, something he came close to achieving with Everton until the FA Cup semi-final defeat to Manchester United.

"Wherever I go, I want to win prizes," he continued. "During Leicester's title ceremony, I was standing just 10 metres from the trophy. I just stared at it for two minutes, forgetting to get on with the warm-up. I thought to myself, I want that."  


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Mike Allison
1 Posted 23/05/2016 at 15:47:34
Openly, nakedly ambitious to win trophies and play in the Champions League. Exactly the sort of player we need at Everton.

Let's stop chucking our toys out of the pram when he says stuff like this and start thinking like him.

Ben Mackenzie
2 Posted 23/05/2016 at 15:50:11
Had he not missed a penalty and a hat full of chances in the semi, he may well have his hands on a trophy now. I will be glad to see the back of him.
Si Turner
3 Posted 23/05/2016 at 15:53:16
Because not winning the games against crap teams like Watford and Sunderland had nothing to do with Rom lazing around avoiding an injury for the Euro's did it?

He cant blame the friction between manager and player for him missing 4 sitters in a semi-final which would have given him an opportunity "to win prizes"

Whilst I agree the atmosphere was likely toxic it doesnt permit the players who just didnt make an effort like him and Ross...

Si Turner
4 Posted 23/05/2016 at 15:56:05
Mike some of the reasons we didnt win more games were because of him and he is openly looking to move away from Everton so I fail to see your point in wanting us to think like him?
Brian Williams
5 Posted 23/05/2016 at 15:57:19
I just stared at it for two minutes, forgetting to get on with the warm-up. I thought to myself,"I want that."

Weeeeell if you get your finger out over the next three seasons, three seasons when you're contracted to Everton and will be playing for Everton should THE CLUB not wish to sell you, then you might win something with Everton.

Brian Cleveland
6 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:01:10
So, Rom, was it the relationship with the manager or the club that was broken, because if it was just the manager, why do you need to look around for another club now that he has gone? Can you not motivate yourself for us again or have you already decided to piss off even though you quote the manager as being the broken part of the equation?
Brian Porter
7 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:07:46
Whatever we think of Rom, and at present it's not a lot, at least he's the first to openly admit that things were broken between Martinez,and the players months before the end of the season. What really irks me is that we could all see or sense it and yet the board who must have had some knowledge of the situation, chose to ignore it, probably hoping it would all.go away and in the process they directly contributed to our terrible second half of the season. So come on now Rom, he's gone so get your head down and start playing again for the club that holds your contract and pays you wages. You never know, but under a new manager you might just win the 'prize' you're looking for.
James Flynn
8 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:10:29
Well, something was broken. I'd say it was OFM's flat refusal to suit his plan to his talent. Had to get to the players eventually.

When you field a group of seasoned pros like Jags, Baines, Coleman, Barry, Lennon, McCarthy, Cleverly, add in young but experienced players like Stones, Barkley, and Lukaku and it just looks like a "bunch of guys" out on the pitch, something's really wrong.

By the way, while appreciating his keeping it "in-house", it's Distin's comments I'd like to hear.

Bob Cumiskey
9 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:12:11
Mike (1) How can you say that he is the exact type of player that we need at EFC?
Whenever the guy gets the opportunity he only ever seems to talk about where he would like to be playing other than EFC.

I do appreciate that he is a talented player but only under the right circumstances and he has stank the place out for the last 3 months.

He has no class away from football which is demonstrated by his constant drivel about wanting to play in the champions league etc.

He disrespects the club and every one of us supporters when he talks about the problems at EFC and his desire to get away, but is more than happy for his wages to hit his bank account every week, despite not wanting to be here.

Whilst I agree with you that we need winners in order to adopt their winning attitude/beliefs, this guy talks too much about personal matters and needs to let his football do his talking for him in order to get his desired move.

Let's get the deal done quickly and put an end to the disrespect he is showing towards the club and us.
Thanks for your Goals Rom but it's high time you and your dad stopped treating our club like it is beneath you. It isn't.

Ray Robinson
10 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:15:26
He wants to win prizes? Well leading goal-scorer in the Premier League would have been an individual prize but I didn't see much evidence of his trying to achieve that award in the last few matches.

I don't like the way Rom habitually comes out with his utterances when away on international breaks. It almost smacks of cowardice.

He's burning his bridges by the day. PSG will be a good fit for you and as long as we get £50m a move will be beneficial for both parties. A really top striker wouldn't fear Italy defences though.

Jay Wood
11 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:20:27
I can see another 300+ post thread coming on.

Player repeats his desire that he wants to win trophies and TW rages with indignation.

He also reveals (from the inside) what most on here commented on for many weeks, that all was not well 'twixt players and manager.

So Mike @ 1 - seconded.

He has exactly the age, profile and ambition we should be seeking to recruit and retain if we seriously wish to compete for trophies, as is his oft repeated desire.

Frank Thomas
12 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:20:36
I seemed to remember that a club his father mentioned had the same problem last year with their goalie.

We need to appoint a new manager as soon as possible. Then maybe the new manager might say the same thing as Van Gaal did last year " sorry mate but your going nowhere and you can play in the reserves until your attitude changes".

I think most of this upset was cause by Roberto bringing Niasse in on such a high salary.

Brian Sephton
13 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:20:44
I understand the bad feelings toward him and I too dislike the dad bit but if you read what he actually is supposed to have said – this and previous times – he never says he wants to leave. He says he wants to win cups and be in European competitions but never says he wants to leave

Oh and he has been pants for three months. Hopefully it is down to the manager. If it is alright for Bainesy to speak up then why not others? After all James 8 wants to hear from Distin.
Franny Porter
14 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:34:43
Nothing to see here......move along...
David Barks
15 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:35:05
ToffeeWeb posters complain about players not being honest about the state of the club and manager for months. Player comes out and says what was happening and ToffeeWeb posters slam said player.

Player says he wants to win trophies and compete at the highest level. ToffeeWeb posters slam said player and want to sell him. I just don't know anymore.

Mike Mulhall
16 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:38:19
It's easier for Rom to talk about a fractured relationship between players and manager than to be "open" and say yeah, I was shit for the last quarter, I totally messed up the semi final and just dilly dallied around when it was evident the season wasnt going anywhere.

I do rate rom personally but he is maturing like a bad curry and stinks the place out with his dellusions of grandure, though to be fair he has an agent and a dad blowing smoke up his arse so you can see where he gets it from.

Onwards and upwards

Peter Carpenter
17 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:40:13
Shame he didn't speak up sooner, leaving poor Bainesy to get hauled into the head's study. But of course he allowed himself to be misrepresented.
Ian Burns
18 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:41:01
Apart from confirming what we all suspected anyway with regards to the breakdown between manager and players (evidenced by the smiles and effort in the Norwich game), this is basically a repeat of "I want to go; my dad and I have found my new club", so there is nothing to be disappointed about here.

What it does show however, is that we need that new managerial appointment sooner rather than later - but better later if we get the right man (ie Emery or De Boer).

I see reports are coming through that we are speaking to Pelligrini. Let's hope it's about buying his house for the new manager.

Charlie Lloyd
19 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:43:07
Mike@1

Openly wants to win trophies I accept but the player needs to perform to that level every week instead of going missing until he's presented with a chance.

He's got the tools but questionable attitude which could ultimately be his downfall when the top clubs come calling.

Jay Harris
20 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:44:58
David
I see your point but totally disagree.

We didnt need the players to see he had lost the dreessing room but by that point it was obvious to a blind man except Bill that he should have gone months before.

The problem with the likes of Lukaku is players like him totally disrupt any team spirit.

He accuses his team mates of letting him down and then blames the manager.

The other players nor the manager missed a penalty at Wembley.

The other players and the manager were not wearing his boots for the last 10 games.

You don't see this sort of nonesense spouted by Vardy or Kane or Aguerro for that matter.

The guys ego is much bigger than his ability or desire.

Patrick Murphy
21 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:45:37
Jay (11) Of course TW rages with indignation, the club paid good money for his services and in many ways it pushed its budget to the limit in order to sign him. What's he done in the last few months? gone on the offensive to make it clear that he doesn't want to be at Goodison now or in the future.

I don't care how good he thinks he is or indeed he actually is, he can go asap, he is not an Everton player in the sense that he cares more about himself than his team-mates, the fans or his manager.

There is a way of being ambitious and leaving the club on good terms and there is the Lukaku way, I'd always prefer the way other players have left the club as most of them didn't down tools half-way through a campaign or pout and point out the failings of their team-mates or manager.

Kevin Rowlands
22 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:51:55
Enough has been said already about this fool, needs to be moved on ASAP!
Bob Cumiskey
23 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:53:24
I don't believe that anybody is raging in relation to Lukaku speaking to the press. However, I am really disappointed that he is constantly talking about where he would like to be other than EFC when on international duty.

The club and its supporters would love champions league football too and would be more than grateful if Lukaku came out and stated that he wants champions league football and to win trophies with the club he is currently contracted to, EFC.

We all know there has been problems at the club this year and that it has got in the way of progress but there is no need to talk about it now as the root cause has been sacked.

Whatever he wants privately he should be talking up the new campaign at EFC and his desire to win trophies here, whatever his personal desires are.

However, If he wants to move then he should discuss it privately with the club and not through his dad or the press.

Brian Harrison
24 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:55:46
I am not surprised in the least and seeing as he is already on his way he can say what was going on without any comebacks. What is more worrying is that BK either wasn't aware that he had lost the dressing room, or did know and chose to ignore it. This has been going on for a lot longer than the last few weeks, you could see from the players body language they were not happy. Distin seemed to be the first to hint that all wasnt well in the camp, then ETO had a fall out with RM.
Then there was the Mirallas fall out over the penalty then it was Baines who suffered the ignominy of having to publicly apologize for his comments.
Brin Williams
25 Posted 23/05/2016 at 16:57:33
'I thought to myself, I want that."

Well, M8 there's no chance of you getting you hands on it in Paris, so shut up and start thinking straight for a change and have a brilliant Euro so that IF Everton decide to let you go at least we get a top price for you.

Alan J Thompson
26 Posted 23/05/2016 at 17:04:29
Forewarned is forearmed, I hope somebody will be having a word on his return.
Terry McLavey
27 Posted 23/05/2016 at 17:19:48
More bleating from Mr Champions League. Your form in the last few games was pitiful! In my world you get paid (which is a lot lower pay than you, just over ٦ an hour) you still put a shift in! You did when you felt like it!

You wasted 2 minutes warming-up time staring at a piece of metal! You want to seek a beautiful club? You were at one mate, the best one! People are saying you're the right age to develop etc. but you may have peaked at the Chelsea game for all we know.

Thanks for the goals and all that, but it is your well paid job after all?
Go warm a bench somewhere else as I doubt you'll be first choice at a Champions League club.
Christine Foster
28 Posted 23/05/2016 at 17:20:49
Wake up call for the supporters of EFC, there are two types of players that we have too acknowledge we need to improve our club. If you have money you can buy the highest skill, if you don't, you buy the highest commitment with good skill. The difference comes with how much you have to spend. As Leicester and Chelsea proved either one can work.
But we cannot afford a team of all stars, we can afford a team with a sprinkling of quality but you have to accept that if we are successful then players are going to stay. When we are not successful the quality players leave. Simples and to expect anything different in this day and age is naive bordering on stupid. Why on earth should ANY player or manager in the EPL, believe what a chairman tells him? Look at LVG, admittedly he was always going to go, but immediately after winning the Cup? I mean immediately? His wife tells him at Wembley?
Crass, nasty, Americanised business model.. no class.
That's reality in this league so I ask, what price loyalty? Contracts are not worth the paper they are written on, abused by players, managers, chairmen .. Want to go or need to go its all about the money not about loyalty.

Now, having got that rant out of the way, Everton FC have a philosophy of making it a good place to be for players, you only have to hear how so many past players have such a high regard for the club to realise we have something special. But the ego of a few undermine the heart of the many. Lukaku should be sold immediately because of his statements if intent to leave. He should have been disciplined by Martinez (aka Baines) suspended or dropped, then sold. No player is bigger than the club.

So, the Leicester model worked, once.. It will not work for Leicester again.. but getting the right mix of players is critical to success, but then it depends on your version of success. Buying individually great players who add little to the team, is not the way forward.

Oliver Molloy
29 Posted 23/05/2016 at 17:30:57
Lukaku has let himself down with the supporters with his " I've made my decision " headline.

He now is aware he made a big mistake mouthing off and is now trying to reconnect with the Everton fans by deflecting the blame onto the manager and team mates for HIS inability to score a penalty, control the ball or generally stand up and be counted.

Had he done this we may have had FA Cup Final which I would have fancied us to win.
He was not alone, but be a man and take responsibility.
The one thing that we know about this guy is that if he comes against centre halves who like the physical challenge he goes missing, so off you go Rom and let's see how good you are in the heat of battle !

By the way someone at our club should tell him to keep his mouth shut .

Paul Smith
31 Posted 23/05/2016 at 17:31:38
The biggest worry is that the ill feeling was left to ruminate by our leaders, even when it was blatant to all.

It's irrelevant what players we have when the board can not accept its mistakes and enact change. Glad Rom has spoken up.

Jay Wood
32 Posted 23/05/2016 at 17:31:41
Patrick @ 21.

The very few lines Romelu has uttered as reported here on TW in recent days do not, IMO, denigrate or disrespect the club, his team mates or the fans in any way.

He has never spoken ill of the club or his team mates, or the fans. On the contrary, he has spoken in praise of all 3 on a regular basis.

The rage and indignation expressed by many which, I can only presume from your post you support, loses all credibility and perspective in my eyes when it completely distorts Romelu's capabilities as a footballer and denigrates the man for simply having the termerity to have ambition in his chosen profession.

You ask "What's he done in the last few months?" A question you could legitimately put to the whole squad.

Nor do I agree in your charge that "he cares more about himself than his team-mates, the fans or his manager" or that he has "downed tools half-way through a campaign or pout and point out the failings of their team-mates or manager."

Again, you over-egg it. That is the interpretation that you and many others wish to put on his words because that's what you want to believe.

It's not an opinion I share.

I am very happy to remain in the minority on this one, so I'll repeat again, with some embellishment:

Romelu Lukaku is of the age and profile we should recruit and retain at Everton if we genuinely harbour ambitions to be a trophy-winning club again.

He is far from the greedy, selfish, self-centred mercernary many are trying to paint him as. He has consistently presented himself as an eloquent, thoughtful, intelligent student of the game, ever-willing to improve.

My hope may already be a forlorn one, but I for one would be very happy to see him turn out for the Blues again next season, under a new manager with the ability to prepare a fit, disciplined and organized team that plays to the players' individual and collective strengths, rather than some Utopian philosophy far removed from the demands and realties of professional football.

Andy Meighan
33 Posted 23/05/2016 at 17:33:47
Doesn't open his trap to the press here. As soon as he's on international duty he can't keep it shut. We all know you want away so go ASAP and leave us in peace. We were here before you came and we ll be here long after you've gone. Not even that good.
Ged Simpson
34 Posted 23/05/2016 at 17:39:02
I think without a really motivating and imaginative manager he can be a lazy dreamer. But with the right manager, who knows?
Mick Davies
35 Posted 23/05/2016 at 17:39:27
"Romelu Lukaku puts Everton's struggles over the last quarter of the season down to fractured relations between the players and the manager"

Oh really? Pity he never had the balls to tell this to the press when 95% of the fans would have wanted him to

Kevin Rowlands
36 Posted 23/05/2016 at 17:44:26
Jay, get over it pal, he's leaving, goodbye and good riddance.
Jay Wood
37 Posted 23/05/2016 at 17:54:03
Kevin @ 36.

I've got nothing to 'get over' Kevin. My support for the club is eternal and will never be extinguished whilst I still breath.

I've expressed my opinion of a player I like and (as I wrote) a possibly forlorn hope that he stays.

I haven't been on this forum like a bad rash for the last week, seething with rage in countless posts at Romelu.

I think we 'got it' about 50 posts and 4-5 days ago 'pal': you don't like Romelu the player or the man.

I do.

Daniel A Johnson
38 Posted 23/05/2016 at 17:58:30
He's really starting to lack class now.

Someone at the club needs to gag him or fine him.

But ultimately its just Lukaku trying to justify why he was shite for 15 games and bottled the semi final.

Christopher Wallace
39 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:00:49
They still got their wages at the end of the week, in spite of their broken relationship with manager. The fans are the only ones who genuinely suffer.

Hope he bags a few at the Euros then f**ks right off the warm PSGs bench for £50m.

He's exactly the type of player that needs a good slap every 2 or 3 weeks.

John Daley
40 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:02:03
"Let's stop chucking our toys out of the pram when he says stuff like this and start thinking like him."

Yeah, let's give that a go.

'I'm a fantastic supporter and fully believe I have the potential to mingle with a better class of paying punter. In fact, I've proven it already by really, really getting behind my side for (some of) the first six months of a nine month season.

I might not have been in best voice since the turn of the year but I'm reliant on my fellow supporters getting the fucking songs started while I just join in with a bit of 'do wop' style backing; something like "youcandoit bloooooooooooooooos. OH FUCK OFF ROSS!".

I'm 37 years old now and I'm ready to watch a 'big club' competing in the Champions League and lifting trophies. I'm dead ambitious and that and want to watch a team win stuff straightaway. There are many sexy super clubs out there who I would be willing to watch win trophies and whose supporters don't settle for supping Chang and taking a piss in something resembling a post-apocalyptic bike shed, or that little smelly room Leatherface dragged his victims in before slamming the door shut and skewering them on a meathook.

In my head, I've already decided which big club's seat I'll be parking my ambitious arse in next season and (Wink, wink), you never know, we might even have done a deal on a discounted season ticket already, but.....I've said too much already.'

Mike Allison
41 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:02:57
I do too.

I don't want any player who is happy to come 11th, and I don't think it is anything like Rom's fault that we came 11th and lost two semi-finals.

It's been ragingly obvious that 'The Martinez Way' of pointless, negative possession is the exact opposite of what will bring the best out of him, but he's patiently applied himself to learning how to play with one hand tied behind his back and still shown his class in scoring goals, despite the lack of attacking intent and chances created.

He's a top class player who's been suffering under a third class manager, who promised him one thing and spectacularly failed to deliver it. We need to get a top class manager in and show Lukaku that this is a place where he can win trophies and play Champions League football.

Kevin Elliott
42 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:04:13
I hope he stays. He might be lazy but nobody can deny that he knows where the onion bag is.
If he does leave ( which seems likely)
then I wish him all the best.
Colin Glassar
43 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:08:07
Just write a book Rom!! But please stay, I like your ambition.
Christopher Wallace
44 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:09:37
Anyone who sees these comments as anything other than an excuse for his poor performances and lack of effort and conmitment is very short-sighted in my opinion.

He realises that his place in Belgium starting line-up, as well as his chance for big move to another club, is in jeopardy as a result of his disgraceful performances of late.

Make no mistake, Rom gives zero fks about our club and fans. I also think his ambition to win trophies comes below his greed for money and personal glory.

I have long been an apologist/supporter of his contribution, but I've had enough and I'm beginning to wish him the worst of luck once we cash in and get rid.

Kevin Rowlands
45 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:14:42
Jay, I'm afraid that your beloved Rom's support for our club doesn't match yours and definitely is not eternal, Him, his agent and obnoxious father are after the next big pay day, good luck to them. Unlike you, I don't want big time Charlies with inflated egos who aren't as good as they think they are, and also think their too good for Everton anywhere near the club. Me, I prefer Ranieri's stance, don't want to be here? Fuck off, seems like a good recipe for success, right?
Christopher Wallace
46 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:15:08
Colin

That's a paradox, as his ambition is to play for another team!

I've no doubt that, if we had won the league, he'd be spouting something like, "there is nothing more fr me to achieve at Everton, I have gave the fans the league, and I want to play for a team with a genuine chance to win the UCL."

Mike Moore
47 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:25:53
Kevin #45 I agree whole heartedly mate, Ranieri's approach has reaped rich dividends, no big time Charlies, no egos, no one gobbing off about "other beautiful clubs". If its true that Chelsea are to offer £65M for Lukaku that would rid us of all that negativity plus give us a massive profit on the egotistical oaf. Get a new manager in to install pride in wearing the shirt and move us all onwards!
Colin Glassar
48 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:26:00
I tend not to take too seriously the mutterings of young players like Lukaku, Christopher. Every time he's with the Belgian squad he says the same thing.

Let the new manager sit down with him and tell him HIS ambitions and see if they match up. As I've always said, if at the end of the day he insists on leaving and we get what we think he's worth then he can go. Simples.

Charlie Lloyd
49 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:28:57
Mike@41

The horse has already bolted on this one. A new manager is imminent but I don't reckon Lukaku is too interested he just wants out regardless.

Well, thanks for the goals now let's get as much as we can via his agent.

Jay Wood
50 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:35:48
Kevin @ 45.

"Beloved..?" No man-love going on from my corner, Kevin.

"Rom's support for our club doesn't match yours and definitely is not eternal."

Kevin catches on: players are transient, supporters are eternal. Are you going to tell us something new any time soon, Kevin?

"Unlike you, I don't want big time Charlies with inflated egos... anywhere near the club."

A couple of presumptions there, Kevin. Guessing what YOU mean by a 'big time Charlie':

1) I most certainly don't want players at the club with inflated egos who can't walk the talk and who rarely perform.

2) following on from 1), I disagree Romelu is a 'big time Charlie' in the terms you describe.

"I prefer Ranieri's stance, don't want to be here? Fuck off, seems like a good recipe for success, right?"

De Gea desperately wanted out of United at the start of the season. They took a different stance to the Ranieri model you offer (which, in truth, has not been exercised or put to the test yet by Ranieri. Only next season will offer evidence of that).

De Gea stayed, was voted player of the year (again!) and has a cup winner's medal for his 'pains.'

That's the problem with absolutist positions such as your own Kevin. They can easily be disproved with a single counter example.

Chris Williams
51 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:37:33
He downed tools after Chelsea ( and let's be honest, what a goal) and then found he couldn't switch it back on again against Man U at Wembley, missing all those chances that he would have converted ( at least 2) earlier in the season. And then that awful telegraphed penalty.

Form is a bit like that it seems, you need to treasure it when it's there and work hard at keeping it going. The same thing happened with Torres across the park a couple of years ago.

Christopher Wallace
52 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:38:58
Colin

I've always overlooked his international utterings of ambition, etc, while he was doing the business on the park for us.

However, he has been pure pish, whilst picking up his £70k per week. His comments are disrespectful to the club and supporters at best.

The guy is a prick and I'd take anything over £40m. I'd like to see us play with strikers who pressure defenders and work to get the ball back.

Damian Wilde
53 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:51:16
Mike:

"Openly, nakedly ambitious to win trophies and play in the Champions League. Exactly the sort of player we need at Everton.

Let's stop chucking our toys out of the pram when he says stuff like this and start thinking like him."

So you're happy for him to constantly talk about playing for ither clubs when employed by us? But when fans object to this they're apparently 'throwing their toys out of the pram'. And we should think like him? What think in an arrogant disrespectful manner...no thanks.

I see your point, but you didn't articulate it well.

Mark Jensen
54 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:51:22
What irks me the most is that the whole team was set up for Lukaku. Not necessarily playing to his strengths but set up for him to score ALL the goals. This he obliged with a dozen or so tap ins. I believe most of the strikers in the prem could of scored the same amount of goals with the service he got.
Where he let's himself down is he doesn't see that. He doesn't see the 10 chances per game he misses or the hard work the team put in to get him them chances.
His control, hold up play and anticipation is piss poor.
When he goes, he will easily be replaced with someone of his ilk. But I hope we go for a more all round striker. A team player. A player with some respect.
Gary Willock
55 Posted 23/05/2016 at 18:51:33
The lack of communication and comment from the club is once again very concerning. Have they actually said ANYTHING in recent months - other than a forced two paragraph salute to El Bob? Even WHP was communicated through a third party.

Anyway, conspiracy theories aside, what the hells wrong with just coming out and reminding the lad he is contracted and going nowhere? Very, very Publically! It would either shut him up, or he'd end up looking like a huge trouble maker if he still comments after that.

In any event, I'd have zero issues putting him in the reserves for a year if it comes to it. If he has 3 years left at least there's a World Cup he'll need to play his way into in 2 years, so he can't stay there forever.

We need to be strong, like we where with Stones (who showed ten times the respect of this bellwhiff by the way), and show we are not a walk over for anyone!

Ryan Payne
56 Posted 23/05/2016 at 19:14:49
Agreed with Mike @1. Player with real winning mentality turns up at Goodison Park and the fans don't want to know. The same fans who refuse to have Moyes back because of him supposedly turning us into 'plucky little Everton', while many sit there and want rid of a big-time Charlie because, essentially they see us as exactly 'plucky little Everton'.

I don't buy the Moyes drivel from many fans for a second. Any manager, if given the money, will spend it. Moyes clearly was working with a 'plucky little' budget. However, he gets called somebody with no ambition and his replacement was seen as having it in the bucket loads because he spent 㿈m after 12 months.

Let's all adopt Lukaku's attitude and not accept mediocrity. Let's not accept poor results, let's not accept defensive mistakes, but lets not drive out the one player who clearly has the ability (and desire) to be world-class, just like our club has the same potential too.

Kevin Rowlands
57 Posted 23/05/2016 at 19:24:45
Jay, if you believe point #1, my question to you would be, why the hell do you want Lukaku at Everton? BTW, he was fucked off from Chelsea for being a gobshite, big time Charlie describes him perfectly.
Fraser Auld
58 Posted 23/05/2016 at 19:27:12
These comments are just another way of Rom not taking responsibility for his own poor form and performances towards the end of the season. Same as his recent "as a striker I rely on the service from my team mates" comments were.

Always someone else's fault, eh Rom. If only you could turn your keen and penetrating insight towards yourself.

Interesting we haven't heard Stones or Barkley or any of the rest of them come out and blame their team mates or the management situation for their equally abysmal 2nd half to the season.

I don't wish the guy any ill will, he's gone, he's a footnote in our history. We need a good replacement and with the money we have this summer that should be more than possible. Also sounds like the new manager will have some work to do to rebuild morale and unity in the squad, that's what matters now.

Peter Roberts
59 Posted 23/05/2016 at 19:35:44
Lukaku dad talks about transfer .... "we'll it's just his dad, Rom isn't saying anything"

Rom talks about transfer "he's being honest, he's ambitious, he's been mismanaged"

It's the same people who have called this lazy ego a "beast" for the last 3 years...

Stop making excuses for him.

Get rid, good riddance. Sign a player who understands Everton.

Steve Davies
60 Posted 23/05/2016 at 19:36:27
Of course he doesn't care about our club. He is a Belgium mercenary just like Fellaini. Just get good money for him and move on. I don't see the problem. They only joined us as a step on their way.

Les Martin
61 Posted 23/05/2016 at 19:38:18
He is just saying what a lot of us were assuming might have been wrong behind the scenes.

As for some postings, yes his performances dipped towards the end, but didn't the whole team?

If it wasn't for his goals, we have been playing in the Championship next season, think about that !

If it really is goodbye then thanks and good luck, careers are sometimes short and never guaranteed.
Mark Frere
62 Posted 23/05/2016 at 19:41:09
Kevin, he wasn't fucked off from Chelsea for being a gobshite, he was offered the choice to stay and fight for his place in the side and chose not to. It's patently obvious you want him gone but there's no need to invent loads of unsubstantiated nonsense. Or is my memory a little hazy? Do you have any evidence to back up your claims?
Andrew W James
63 Posted 23/05/2016 at 19:48:35
It is sad when someone who should be a hero of ours and someone we should all want to stay at Everton, divides us so. And not from a footballing perspective but becoz his ill chosen comments.

Baines talked discreetly about a lack of chemistry in the team, Rom openly blames RM. Rom will now have fallen out with his last two managers, José and RM.

Rom divides, criticises too many and too often, and should learn there are ways of discreetly discussing a transfer which is not in the public eye.

He is disrespectful to the club and his big gob will not help him attract another manager wanting to spend big on getting him. He's probably lost a few million off his value with his niaive indiscretion. I doubt Fergie if he was still around would entertain bringing an individual like Rom into his squad.

Good luck to him. Let's hope we can build a united squad with the money we get from him with players happy to give their all for the club.

Colin Glassar
64 Posted 23/05/2016 at 20:01:05
Christopher, the guilty party, IMO, here is the club. He should've been fined years ago for spouting off publicly.

The club has remained silent while, Rom, his dad and his dog have spoken all sorts of crap about not feeling fulfilled at our club, yet when Bainsey spoke of a "lack of chemistry" he was hauled over hot coal.

This is all BK's and Martinez's fault, showing double standards and being cowardly in front of their star player. I bet if Ross said something similar they'd bloody crucify him. Our club is run by brainless shitheads.

Tom Flower
65 Posted 23/05/2016 at 20:15:18
Rom is a good player and someone who you would ordinarily want in your team. He has a problem though and that problem is that he is completely self absorbed. You can see it in his play and you can see it in his ill judged words. His primary interest is himself. I think the time has come for this marriage of convenience to end with a clean break. He is not a team player and I suspect his poor performances and repeated gobbing off is starting to affect morale. The end game is to get as much as possible from his sale, preferably from abroad, but if not, from whoever stumps up the most cash with the sale proceeds to be invested in the team by the new manager.

Leicester have shown what a team can achieve with the right spirit, application and talent. With hindsight it was poor management not to get a grip of Rom when he was playing so badly and show the rest of the squad that players are picked on form.

Jay Wood
66 Posted 23/05/2016 at 20:18:09
Kevin @ 57.

"Jay, if you believe point #1, my question to you would be, why the hell do you want Lukaku at Everton?"

Sigh...

You either didn't bother reading point #2, or chose to ignore it as 'inconvenient' to the (erroneous) claim you are making, in which I wrote:

"following on from 1), I disagree Romelu is a 'big time Charlie' in the terms you describe.

1) corrected your presumption that I want 'big time Charlies' (copyright, Kevin Rowland) at the club. I don't.

2) told you I don't consider Romelu a 'big time Charlie.'

Ergo ...? I'm guessing you may still need some help reaching the correct conclusion, Kevin.

And (BTW), he was not 'fucked off' by Chelsea. He had a full season's loan at Everton before Martinez landed quite the coup by signing him a year later at just 21 years of age.

Again, at no time at Chelsea was he a 'gobshite.' He actually won plaundits by choosing to leave the bloated squad at Chelsea to have a better chance of playing more regularly at Everton.

There is a legitimate argument to be made as to why he should be let go, Kevin.

Stick to that instead of continuing to embellish your opinion with unsubstantiated claims, total invention and out and out prejudice which has been your standard fare for almost a week now on the subject of Romelu Lukaku.

Kevin Rowlands
67 Posted 23/05/2016 at 20:20:37
Mark, and I quote ' Romelu needs to talk less, do his talking on the pitch. he did not want to fight for a 1st team place' Jose Mourinho, sounds like a gobshite to me.
Jay Wood
68 Posted 23/05/2016 at 20:43:14
Kevin @ 67.

Nice cropping and reworking of the actual quotes in another attempt to justify your position.

Full quotes on the transfer, first from Romelu:

"Choices were made by me. By me. Not by them. Everyone says it is Mourinho's fault [I left] but it is not his fault because I made the decision. I went to his office to ask if I could go. He was the first one to say: 'Good luck.'

"I signed the deal with Everton at 11 o'clock and the first text message I got on my old BlackBerry was from Mourinho saying: 'Good luck, do your best and I will see you next season.' He was the first. Nobody knows that and that is why for me he gets immense respect."

Now Mourinho:

"He wanted to play for Chelsea but clearly only as the first choice striker and at a club of our dimension it's very difficult to promise a player that status.

"After that Everton came with an important offer and because we want to be inside the Financial Fair Play rules, you have to analyse these situations."

Mourinho also wished Lukaku good luck at his new club. "The important thing is he is happy and things work out for him. He is a good kid."

What a gobshite, eh..?

Si Turner
69 Posted 23/05/2016 at 20:43:52
Jay 32

I appreciate you used the word many fans however most fans (including me) would rate him as potentially world class and a lot better than most of our other players.

Rating how good a player or not does not destroy the credibility of views which are different to yours though?

Pointing out he didnt play aswell for the majority of the last 3 months is as valid as saying the 2nd and third quarters of the season he was excellent.

Kevin Rowlands
70 Posted 23/05/2016 at 20:44:13
Jay,zzzzzzzzzz
Damian Wilde
71 Posted 23/05/2016 at 20:44:50
Jose was hardly begging him to stay was he? There was a clear rift between the pair.
Ian Robert
72 Posted 23/05/2016 at 20:45:21
a deluded player who thinks hes better than he is...sod off lulu
Mike Allison
73 Posted 23/05/2016 at 20:51:17
Kevin you're quoting Mourinho to prove that someone other than Mourinho is a gobshite. Mourinho is a gobshite, and Lukaku never got the opportunity at Chelsea to do his talking on the pitch, so he came to Everton and frankly did his talking on the pitch. Players get interviewed all the time, Lukaku answers questions he's asked, it just doesn't upset me that much.

Damian, my main point is that Lukaku is right. Everton aren't good enough and he's saying so. We should get better, not criticise him for saying so.

Christopher Wallace gives the game away a bit earlier (46) when he assumes, with no evidence whatsoever, that even if we won the league Lukaku would want to leave. That's as clear a case of 'projecting' as I can think of, and I believe many of the others criticising Lukaku are doing the same.

That and a bit of the classic 'dump her before she dumps you first' mentality. You think he's rejecting you so you want to reject him and convince yourself he was no good anyway.

Well he is, and if we lose him it's because Martinez's stupidity cost us dear over the last two seasons. We should have come top four this season, it wouldn't have been that difficult, but we've played the last two years with at least one hand tied behind our backs, sometimes two. It's no wonder an ambitious, young, top class footballer is frustrated. He should be.

Mike Gaynes
74 Posted 23/05/2016 at 20:55:52
Kevin, I would point out that unless you're psychic, you have no idea whether " he's leaving, goodbye and good riddance" is true.

The decision is not his, not at all. It will be made by two other men, one of whom does not yet even work for the club (the new manager) and the other a new owner about whom we yet know very little.

Yes, Rom wants to leave, but he is under contract. If those two people decide he is staying, he stays. Period.

Jay Wood
75 Posted 23/05/2016 at 21:03:16
Si @ 69, a bit puzzled by your post. I made no comparative assessment of Rom's performances over the season, other than including him when saying all the team went MIA in the final 10 games or so (in answer to a claim made by Patrick).

I am not trying to suppress debate. I am offering a (minority) alternative view to the majority populist one.

I am not saying alternative views to my own 'lack credibility' per se.

I am challenging the more rabid posts which completely distorts Romelu's capabilities as a footballer and denigrates the man for simply having the termerity to have ambition in his chosen profession.

Such posts DO lack credibility and perspective in my eyes when it is claimed he only scores goals off mis-hit and scuffed shots and headers fluked in off his shoulder. Oh! And of course, he's a mercernary gobshite, dissing the club.

I have a higher opinion, evidently, of Romelu Lukaku the footballer and the man than the majority on TW. That opinion ain't changing any time soon.

Or ... are you saying I'm wrong to offer such an alternative minority opinion simply because it is contrary to the majority...?

Brian Harrison
76 Posted 23/05/2016 at 21:06:25
I really cant understand why our fans are worried about what Lukaku has said, he wont be here at the start of the season and Stones will be at Man City. Players move for money and success and if them going brings in £80-£100 million then so much the better.

Both Simeone and Koeman lost some of their best players yet it didnt stop them both having great seasons. So lets hope that Everton appoint Koeman to do what he has done at Southampton. He has bettered Pochettinos record after losing his best players.
So instead of worrying about Lukaku, lets hope our board make an offer that Koeman cant turn down.

Colin Glassar
77 Posted 23/05/2016 at 21:13:14
Great post Brian, I think we all need to calm down and let the new men in charge handle the situation.

ITNMICIT!!! (in the new men in charge I trust)

John Daley
78 Posted 23/05/2016 at 21:15:51
"Guessing what YOU mean by a 'big time Charlie':

1) I most certainly don't want players at the club with inflated egos who can't walk the talk and who rarely perform.

2) following on from 1), I disagree Romelu is a 'big time Charlie' in the terms you describe"


Jay,

To be fair to Kev, when responding to his "big time Charlie" assertion, you did conveniently miss out a key reason he gave as to why he chose to level such a charge at Romelu:

"I don't want big time Charlies with inflated egos who aren't as good as they think they are, and also think their too good for Everton"

It's that last part that truly pisses people off and has caused them to turn their wrath toward the player. The rest they could probably put up with, no problem, or at least let it go once he went on a little goal scoring run.

Lukaku and those close to him have continually let it be known that he is destined for bigger and better and Everton would have absolutely no chance of keeping him long-term. It's not just this one occasion.... or even just three times in the last three days.

As far back as the beginning of 2015 (a mere six months after signing him 'proper') Lukaku was openly stating he wanted to play for 'a big club again' and would be assessing the situation that summer. We had his agent saying, if he had been handling his career just a little bit sooner, then his client would never have joined Everton in the first place. We had Round 1 of Rodger The Talking Todger telling us all about the many clubs who were lining up to sign his son for his goalscoring might and which move he wanted his boy to make. The man himself letting it be known that he would have to look at his options if Everton didn't qualify for the champions league. His agent again. His arl fella again. Lukaku again.

You really don't believe it's disrespectful to the club he is currently under contract to, for Lukaku (or those who look after his affairs) to be continually mulling over his future in the media, talking about clearing off somewhere else, naming clubs who are wanting to sign him, and saying he's reached a decision about which club he is willing to let buy him?

Kevin Rowlands
79 Posted 23/05/2016 at 21:34:53
Mike #74, how much you want to put on it? Not a chance he'll be with us next season unless he has a bad injury at the Euros.
Jay Wood
80 Posted 23/05/2016 at 22:21:06
John @ 78, it was neither deliberate nor 'convenient' that I missed out what you consider a 'key reason' in Kevin's continuing rant against Romelu.

Having flagged up the missing 'key reason', again, I have to question the presumption that Lukaku considers himself "too good for Everton." Has he really said that ..?

Being ambitious in one's chosen profession and striving to scale the career ladder to the very top is not the same, IMO, as considering yourself "too good for (insert club name)."

As Erik Dols recently informed us in an insightful post, there is a cultural and linguistic interpretation that needs to be taken into consideration with the utterances from players from the lowlands of Western Europe when interviewed by their national press.

I'm neither deaf nor blind to a succession of utterances from his agent, his father and Lukaku himself.

I just don't give them as much weight or fess over them as the vast majority on TW evidently do. In truth, the most noise has come from his new agent when he made the switch, and his father.

Lukaku has not "continually been mulling over his future in the media, talking about clearing off somewhere else, naming clubs who are wanting to sign him, and saying he's reached a decision about which club he is willing to let buy him" as you state.

It's only the most recent utterances by Lukaku himself - not previous ones - which imply he is looking to move on from Everton.

So ... in answer to your final question, no. I don't interpret Romelu's actions and words as 'disrespecting' the club.

As I've said previously, he always conducts himself well in club interviews, praising the club, the team, the fans, even the former manager.

He is exactly the age and profile we should be looking to recruit and retain if we seriously want to challenge for trophies.

I rather think it's a sad indictment of the club that, as many feared, the state of affairs got so bad under RM that it led to his inevitable (too long delayed) dismissal and a decline in performances and league standing that would naturally lead to talented ambitious players reviewing their options of whether to stay or go.

Hopefully, the new manager will be of sufficient standing to retain and attract the necessary talent to lift us up to the heights we all desire for the club.

And I for one would be delighted if that would include Romelu Lukaku in the Everton squad for next season.

John Davies
81 Posted 23/05/2016 at 22:25:57
Every time this guy opens his mouth he stinks the place out. Only ever talks about himself or any other topic that will cause friction in the camp. Horrible, arrogant, disrespectful twat. Sell him - but at the club's asking price only. Or let him rot in the reserves. Nowhere near as good as his Daddy thinks he is. He won't be missed.
Jack Convery
82 Posted 23/05/2016 at 22:34:41
Unfortunately he and his kin appear to be the new Anelkas - a transfer every two or three years and get the money in. We haven't seen the best of him and it will be interesting to see if his next club get the real Lukaku because there is a great centre forward in there somewhere. A pity his ego and family advice is preventing it from being shown.
Ernie Baywood
83 Posted 23/05/2016 at 22:48:02
Without going all Mr Blonde on you, either he'll go or he won't.

I don't like these comments but he's going to be asked every day by the media so get used to it. It does Rom, personally, no harm to float the idea of a move and figure out his worth in the market. So he'll do it. So will his agent and so will his Dad.

Up to Everton to figure out whether we sell him or not.

I couldn't give a shit about his loyalty. If he's playing in our shirt I just want his goals.

Christine Foster
84 Posted 23/05/2016 at 22:53:22
I sort of agree with Jay and yet I do come from the school that believes that you do not bite the hand that feeds you, or announce publicly, that you are seeking to break your contract, for that is what he is saying. He chose to agree to the terms of the contract and should abide by them, but we do not live in such a world do we? By all means discuss in private with your manager or representative but to the national press? In any other employment your company would haul you in and let you go. But the arrogance of football means all concerned have no intention of playing to a an out of date set of rules. Our expectations of loyalty are lost on Chairman, managers and players alike when it comes to those who are in demand and Lukaku knows it.
Kevin Rowlands
85 Posted 23/05/2016 at 22:54:56
Jeeezus Jay, you go on about me harping on and boring everyone, we get it, you think he's the bollocks a lot of us think he's a load of bollocks, no problem, difference of opinion, time to move on wouldn't you agree? Btw I promise to stop banging on about him if you promise to put your Rom blow up doll away when he's sold, agreed 'pal'?
John Daley
86 Posted 23/05/2016 at 23:11:46
"It's only the most recent utterances by Lukaku himself - not previous ones - which imply he is looking to move on from Everton"

Define 'recent' Jay. If you mean those from the last few days then I'm afraid you're forgetting the similar noises he was making just a few short months ago

17th March 2016 

“If something happens, it will be for the good of the club. I don't want to leave in a fight, if it happens. I won't say this or that. It is going to be good for me personally and for the club."

25th March 2016:

“I am 23 years old now, it is time for me to compete with others at the absolute top of football. For me, things are going well at Everton right now. I can become top scorer of the Premier League. But, yes, I could be leaving the club in the summer."

31st March 2016:

"Lukaku? Of course, Juventus as a solution could go well, but keep an eye on PSG and Real Madrid too for the Everton striker"

(ok, that one was his agent but I don't make a distinction between Lukaku himself and someone given full authority to act for him in such a situation).

Ben Dyke
87 Posted 23/05/2016 at 23:16:18
I understand players wanting Champions League football and medals, and but what is wrong for me is the endless noises from players who get ridiculous wages and seem to think that they don't have to think about the fans at all when speaking publicly.

I'd have more respect if instead of saying "I've made my decision", he just frigging had the guts to communicate to the Everton fans first. It's not that hard to show the fans respect, but I honestly don't think these type of players really care about the average fan. Some do and hence you won't hear this kind of stuff in the papers from them.

Christopher Wallace
88 Posted 23/05/2016 at 23:30:47
Mike 73

I'm projecting fk all - that comment was tongue-in-cheek, in case you didn't catch that.

As I said, I was very happy when we signed him pwrmanently, and I've defended him a fair bit on here.

I've overlooked his comments on international breaks - if he keeps scoring, he can say what he wants, and eventually we'll cash in big...

However, his attitude and effort lately has been a disgrace. He obviously didn't want to get injured coming up to euros, and gave up trying for Everton a while ago. These comments are an attempt to deflect the focus away from how crap he's been, with his place for Belgium (and the chance to whore himself out to other clubs) in jeopardy. He realises that instead of PSG, he may now end up at someone like West Ham, so he now blames the manager and his team mates.

We have been paying his wages while he has given nothing back these past few months. Ask yourself, when have you seen real passion for the cause, or Rom going above and beyond for the jersey and the fans? He may get to a big club, but it will be on the back of the opportunity Everton gave him, on the back of a massive gamble. Also, as others have mentioned, Martinez building the team around him, and his colleagues putting chances on a plate for him. If he's taken as many chances as he should have, maybe Real would be knocking our door down with an 㿼m barge pole...

The guy is a selfish C word, on and off the pitch.

Martin Greggor
89 Posted 23/05/2016 at 23:33:54
If the team had finished as high up the league table as Lukaku did in the top scorers league we would be in Europe. Nuff said.
Kevin Rowlands
90 Posted 23/05/2016 at 23:37:22
John, I'm not sure what part of he wants to leave Jay doesn't understand, fine if you want to defend his ability but his rabid defense of the lads obvious intentions, words and actions is ridiculous. Every international break this past year this shit has come up, the lad should've been told to shut the fuck up early doors, unfortunately he wasnt.
Brian Wilkinson
92 Posted 23/05/2016 at 23:37:57
I agree with a poster who said, I know where I am going next, and now using Martinez to try and get back on the supporters side.

What a crying shame we gave Gary Speed so much stick, even with all that abuse,he would not tarnish his belovered Everton, or openly slate our manager.

Lukaku has in my opinion, stopped playing for the manager and looks like a player who wants bigger things, fair play to the guy, but have no fear, we will still be Everton, long after he has gone.

I have faith in our new share holder, he will bring the right manager in, and I have no doubts, we will find a replacement striker.

Martin Greggor
93 Posted 23/05/2016 at 23:41:20
When we are talking about how crap he has been recently I think it's worth reflecting on how little service he's been getting from the players around him. Since Coleman got injured we have had nothing from the right where loads of our chances came from earlier in the season.

If you want to see players leaving the club can I suggest that Barkley and Stones (separately or together) would be less of a loss to the club as they are both massively overrated IMHO.
Brian Wilkinson
94 Posted 23/05/2016 at 23:44:38
To put it in reality, Lukaku picked up more money for that one shocking game at Wembley, than speedo Mick earned all season, freezing his balls off on his travels, walking to Bournemouth and Wembley.

If half the prima donnas put in as much effort as Mick, we would have been up there challenging, who instead of sulking around the football pitch, with hands on hips.

Andrew Presly
95 Posted 23/05/2016 at 23:53:48
Brian Wilkinson - thank you 2 great contributions
Jay Wood
96 Posted 23/05/2016 at 00:01:36
And again. Kevin @ 90. You clearly display an inability to actually read and comprehend what others are saying.

"I'm not sure what part of he wants to leave Jay doesn't understand, fine if you want to defend his ability but his rabid defense of the lads obvious intentions, words and actions is ridiculous."

Firstly, I'm not the one rabidly frothing at the mouth over Romelu's reported comments.

Secondly, as my posts in this thread demonstrate, no confusion on my part that Romelu is expressing a wish to move on.

Jay Wood @ 32: "My hope may already be a forlorn one, but I for one would be very happy to see him turn out for the Blues again next season."

Jay Wood @ 37: "I've got nothing to 'get over' Kevin. My support for the club is eternal and will never be extinguished whilst I still breath. I've expressed my opinion of a player I like and (as I wrote) a possibly forlorn hope that he stays."

Jay Wood @ 66: "There is a legitimate argument to be made as to why he should be let go, Kevin. Stick to that instead of continuing to embellish your opinion with unsubstantiated claims, etc ... etc."

Jay Wood @ 80: "I'm neither deaf nor blind to a succession of utterances from his agent, his father and Lukaku himself. I just don't give them as much weight or fess over them as the vast majority on TW evidently do."

Jay Wood @ 80: "I rather think it's a sad indictment of the club that, as many feared, the state of affairs got so bad under RM that it led to his inevitable (too long delayed) dismissal and a decline in performances and league standing that would naturally lead to talented ambitious players reviewing their options of whether to stay or go.

"Hopefully, the new manager will be of sufficient standing to retain and attract the necessary talent to lift us up to the heights we all desire for the club.

"And I for one would be delighted if that would include Romelu Lukaku in the Everton squad for next season."

Rather debunks the claims in your post @ 90, doncha think Kevin?

Nah! Probably not...

Colin Gee
97 Posted 23/05/2016 at 00:02:08
Anyone that watched Everton last season would have known that the players had stopped playing for Martinez. Baines alluded to it, now Lukaku has actually said it; well for one I admire his honesty!

Would love to hear what the likes of Ross Barkley, John Stones and Kevin Mirallas have to say too.

Looks like Samuel Eto'o and Sylvan Distin were right as well then.

Peter Gorman
101 Posted 24/05/2016 at 00:22:49
Jay, talking of debunking; you state "I have to question the presumption that Lukaku considers himself "too good for Everton." Has he really said that ..?"

John Daley has addressed this; "As far back as the beginning of 2015 (a mere six months after signing him 'proper') Lukaku was openly stating he wanted to play for 'a big club again'"

John got it ever so slightly wrong there, he actually said 'top club'. The quotation in full, dated February 2015; "“It was brilliant to play at Chelsea and I had a good reception, they know I'm a good player but that I want to develop so I can eventually get back to playing for a club like Chelsea. I don't have a secret ambition to rejoin — there are other clubs in the world. I just want to grow as a player and eventually arrive at a top club again.”

Do you not remember that? Did you not understand the implication? Do you consider 2015 recent?

I consider the above disrespectful to the club and it has happened so often it is tedious.

Brian Wilkinson
102 Posted 24/05/2016 at 00:28:52
Last parting shot, if he was not happy with Martinez, who has since left, why is he not waiting to see who our new manager is, see what plans and players we bring in.

I could understand if Bobby was still here, I could get that from Lukaku wanting away, no question he dropped a bollock saying I know where I will be next season, now hes trying to save face, saying what he has about Martinez to get back onside with the Evertonians.

Mick Davies
103 Posted 24/05/2016 at 00:43:52
Does anyone else think he may be looking at the way the club is run by 'fathead' and thinking what an ameteur outfit we are?

I thought his attitude should change after the sacking of Martinez but, unlike Man Utd, with a replacement for Van Gaal almost through the door and Pellegrini being seamlessly swapped for Guardiola, and Liverpool bringing in Klopp to replace Rodgers, we sack our manager with one game to go, then create a media circus surrounding umpteen managers, until they come out and turn us down (back to the Revie, Clough, Robson fiascos).

The club is an embarrassment to it's fans, and as long as that gobshite clings to power, players of the calibre of Lukaku, Rooney etc will exit Goodison Park.

Dave Abrahams
104 Posted 24/05/2016 at 00:48:14
Brian (92), I hated every Evertonian who booed Gary Speed, with a passion, Gary was forced out of Everton. He deserved a lot more than he was given by Everton FC and all the fans (?) who gave him stick, they turned their eyes to the truth. Could go on, but like Gary, he let sleeping dogs lie, and in respect of Gary Speed so will I.
James Flynn
105 Posted 24/05/2016 at 01:06:00
Still hasn't put in a transfer request despite saying he's made up his mind. We have only one still on the books done that formally and it ain't Lukaku.

So who knows what will happen with a player under contract and where he plays next season?

Of course, all those on this thread who KNOW he's some version of want-away, selfish, twatish, cuntish, etc. THEY know. Me, I don't.

And he's not the only young talent we have to worry about departing. In fact, he's not the ONLY one still currently on the books who HAS put in a formal transfer request.

Kenwright et al no longer have power. The Rooney/Lescott situations are over. He has 3 years left on a contract. And yes contracts are worth the paper they're printed on; ink-signatured ones at that.

First things first, let's see who our new manager is and how our new hierarchy see the future.

We'll all find out over the next several weeks. If he's stays, I have no problem. There aren't a bunch of other 23-year-old, proven goal scorers in the queue waiting to take his place at Everton. There aren't any.

And he STILL hasn't put in a transfer request.

We'll see.

Brian Wilkinson
106 Posted 24/05/2016 at 01:21:36
If he puts in a transfer request, he would no doubt lose out in money terms, whereby if clubs put in a big bid for him and we sell, he will lose nothing.

He would not play for Martinez towards the end, if we refuse to sell, every chance he will not play for the team, until he gets his wish.

Dave Abrahams
107 Posted 24/05/2016 at 01:23:11
James (#105) – you really think Lukaku will be at Everton next season?
Jay Wood
108 Posted 24/05/2016 at 01:40:02
Peter @ 101.

Seriously Peter, does that really equate to him believing he is "too good for Everton?"

It affirms a belief in his own ability to play for a 'top club', certainly. And as painful for some as it may be to admit it, but for more than a quarter of a century Everton can no longer be considered a top club.

I'm not playing semantics here when I say his words are far removed from him categorically stating, or even merely alluding to, the belief he is "too good for Everton."

In my opinion it is a big leap to conclude from that he is a 'big time Charlie,' 'mercenary', 'gobshite' etc (and worse...) as many have called him in recent days.

The content (and context) of those words in 2015 are very different from his more recent utterances in which he is more clearly stating he is likely to exit the club.

You consider such statements as disrespectful to the club, too frequent and tedious. I don't.

I repeat, yet again, if we have genuine ambition to becoming a big club once more, Romelu Lukaku (and his like) is of the age and has the profile we should recruit and retain.

Then such players would not be seeking pastures new so readily and we would increase the likelihood of once again landing a trophy.

Kieran Kinsella
109 Posted 24/05/2016 at 01:43:36
The Scum has us buying Joe Hart for £40 million while the Mirror has OFFM as our new manager. The two don't seem to go together somehow.
James Flynn
111 Posted 24/05/2016 at 01:51:48
Brian (102) - "I could understand if Bobby was still here, I could get that from Lukaku wanting away, no question he dropped a bollock saying I know where I will be next season, now hes trying to save face, saying what he has about Martinez to get back onside with the Evertonians."

Another interpretation of that is that he's waiting to see who Everton signs as next manager. Could be. Not like he can just up and go.

I'd go so far as to say his simply putting in a transfer request is the worst thing he could do. He has no leverage.

He could flat refuse to play, of course. Even THEN, he has no leverage.

I'll wait to see who the new manager is and how things play out. If Rom is gone, it will be on Everton terms, not his or some other club's.

He goes, he goes and we move on. He stops playing for Everton, I stop caring about him.

But, no mistake, if Lukaku is playing for Everton next season, fine by me. I'll view that as EFC has signed a first-rate manager.

Oh, and if Stones is still here, too. Let's not forget Stones, the guy who put in a transfer request.

We get in a manager who actually coaches TEAM; defending and attacking. And, forgotten at Everton a season or two, FITNESS.

The basics of the game emphasized by the Club. Call me a dreamer.

Perhaps they'll both stay.

Kieran Kinsella
114 Posted 24/05/2016 at 01:54:33
I'm imagining board meetings now based on the various tumors in the media.

Moshiri "Bill, what do you have in mind for manager, goalie and Lukaku."

Bill "Moyes, Howe or Hughes whichever is cheaper. Robles as goalie but we can get Steve Harper as back up. Lukaku we will sell but we will blame the bank and I'll say my aunt cried ... They always fall for it.

Moshiri "OK ... I was thinking more in terms of Joe Hart for 40 million, maybe Pelligrini and a new contract for Rom? But I'm sure we can find some middle ground."

James Flynn
115 Posted 24/05/2016 at 02:12:57
Dave (107) - Haven't the faintest.

He stays or he goes.

For sure, he doesn't just go. He's got three years left on a contract. At a guess, if we see he's put in a transfer request, the deal is done and dusted.

His only "leverage" is . . . . . . .he doesn't have any.

I'd prefer he stays. Better the goal scorer you know, rather the goal scorer you don't.

And for sure we don't.

We get a manager signed and see what happens.

Jason Davenport
119 Posted 24/05/2016 at 04:46:56
This is a crossroads for Everton:

1. Pick a marquee manager. Players stay and flourish and meld with upcoming younger talents, which we have many of. Build a new stadium on the docks and we will have the beginnings of a dynasty. The phoenix will rise.

2. Pick a non-marquee manager and we are finished.

Darren Hind
120 Posted 24/05/2016 at 05:01:24
Peter @101

Nail, Head

Anto Byrne
121 Posted 24/05/2016 at 05:20:17
FFS let the new man and the owners sort this mess out. I like his honesty and we all saw a team that wasn't playing for Martinez, he must have been spewing when they had a go at Man Utd in the semi final, "Hey this isn't on the script".

We saw a glimpse of the real Everton on the last day of the season. Baines smiling and joking, Stones lumping the ball 60 yards down the pitch. Even Tim Howard looked a class act (well almost).

Thankfully the Martinez experiment is over and we can look forwards and start winning things.

Amit Vithlani
122 Posted 24/05/2016 at 06:32:27
Lukaku has undeniably been in rank form post the Chelsea QF. I can understand why his media statements are jarring.

That said, I take a more pragmatic view on his quotes for two reasons. First, the absence of a manager means there is no one to sit him down and outline a new footballing vision which the player can buy into. With no manager in place, and the window upon us, it comes as no surprise to me he thinks his ambitions will be better fulfilled elsewhere with a transfer this summer. I would love to see him here next season, motivated and fired up, but it will take a strong managerial appointment to do that. Until then, the speculation will rumble on.

Second, selling Lukaku does not necessarily smack of a lack of ambition, provided we have a plan to properly replace him. No one is bigger than the club, and several major European outfits (Atletico, Sevilla, Dortmund) have sold their crown jewels but identified and brought in top replacements.

Again, however, it needs a managerial/DoF appointment to implement the recruitment plan.

Ian Jones
123 Posted 24/05/2016 at 07:31:02
Mick @ 103. Assume you are referring to Kenwright when you mention "fathead". Seems a bit harsh considering it seems he his ill and may be on some form of treatment. Apologies in advance if I got it wrong.

I also disagree with your thoughts about Everton being an embarrassment. Agree that we should have sacked Martinez earlier but I prefer our club to have some dignity on these matters.

The way Van Gaal and Pellegrini have been treated by their clubs has been ridiculous and disrespectful to the managers. Man City stated their replacement about 4 months ago and it seems to be am open secret that Mourinho would be Van Gaal's replacement-not yet confirmed. Both situations leading to a media circus.

I am happy to wait for the correct manager.

Personally, I would prefer not be thinking about Moyes coming back. I would like someone different and who didn't treat us the way he did the first time round. But who is to say, given more money for transfers, and hopefully an attacking assistant manager or coach to help him, he isn't the one to lead us forward. He may have learnt a few new tricks since he left!

Charles Barrow
124 Posted 24/05/2016 at 09:51:50
Surely we all know that in the modern game nearly all the players are mercenaries (at all clubs not just Everton). The kissing the badge thing is an ironic gesture or taking the piss.

The only loyal people in football are the FANS – that's us! It doesn't mean we don't support Everton til we die but the players don't feel the same way unless they were die hard fan anyway (but as we saw with Rooney, that always doesn't apply).

I don't blame Lukaku as, like all employees, he moves on for a better deal. I should think 90% of the players would if they were wanted by a richer (not bigger!) club.

Peter Gorman
125 Posted 24/05/2016 at 17:43:34
Jay Wood, from a semantics point of view you've got me; he doesn't really say he is too good for Everton, he just says that one day he hopes to be too good for Everton.

Still massively disrespectful to his employer, even if it is in your eyes just praiseworthy and ambitious. Also I would suggest he has plenty of work to do before he could even be considered too good for Everton but we probably won't agree on that.

Andy Crooks
126 Posted 24/05/2016 at 21:31:07
Lukaku is a fine player. He did well under a really, really poor coach. Imagine him with a top coach. The shite that players spout in the media which is, look at the rumours on this site, mind boggling.

If we have any ambition we should do what is necessary to keep Lukaku, Stones and Barkley. Three top players who can be the basis of our future. Stones will ,in my view, be the best central defender the premier league has ever seen.

Peter Howard
127 Posted 24/05/2016 at 21:41:37
Peter (125)

You're dead right.

As regards the work he has to do I would suggest his Dad or his Agent gets a large bin bag ( one of the strong ones not one of those you get on a roll from B & M ) and fills it with wet shite.He can then practise trapping it.

If they're struggling to find any wet shite then they can just hold the bin bag under his mouth.

Lee Brownlie
128 Posted 24/05/2016 at 21:57:57
So, he looked over at the PL trophy and thought 'I want that'? Therefore, we ALL should 'think like him'? Mmm.. except, no real immediate fire lit, he just (by his own admission), instead stopped and didn't even bother with his warm-up. Excellent mind-set, then.

Boil down to more empty words.. except that he wants away, for what, who, he thinks he 'deserves'!.. from a player who all too clearly played his own part in that fractious dressing room and lack of effort by too many players all-too-happy to be handed an excuse NOT to turn in the pre-requisite performance of a man wearing the 'Nil Satis..' Blue!!!

No 'I'll show em on that pitch!' response, just starry-eyed, bottom-lipped, self-pity. Yep, great stuff, that. Big blubbering kid looking at the tin car in the toy shop window style, then! (Seen the old movie, too.. 'But it was all Norman [Wisdom's] fault, he promised me it!!')..

Looked so good at times, but always looking for an 'out'.. well, hopefully you've got it now! Bye Bye.

Mick Davies
129 Posted 24/05/2016 at 22:19:14
Ian @ 123, I keep hearing about his illness but he can still take a swipe at a fan for questioning Martinez, is still trying to hold on to power, and cringingly throwing his arms around the new owner and proclaiming his Messiah.

The man has just made millions out of our club, yet claims to have Everton in his heart. He's a phoney Ian, and even if he is ill, it hasn't kept him away from the limelight.

I personally believe he has held Everton back for years by refusing to sell up, and this season we've had players revolt, banners, fly pasts and fans on the pitch, but still, he leaves it until the last minute to remove a man totally inept at his job on the eve of the player's presentation! What must the players think?

Andrew Heffernan
130 Posted 24/05/2016 at 22:44:18
If Rom's desire matched his ambition he may actually achieve it, staring at the trophy itself won't cut it!
Ian Jones
131 Posted 25/05/2016 at 06:11:24
Mick @ 129.

Agree with everything you say there.

Raymond Fox
132 Posted 25/05/2016 at 13:44:55
So if the players don't agree with the manager, they can down tools! Great being a pro footballer isn't it.

Their paid a kings ransom each week to do as their told. No doubt Martinez informed most of them that they were playing crap and offended some of the little darlings, what a shame.

Players that want to play elsewhere, ship them out pronto. Let's face it they have been pampered since they were children, with the consequence that they're very likely to behave like children.

Brian Wilkinson
133 Posted 25/05/2016 at 15:35:51
If the rumours are right about us targeting Milik, then Bon Voyage Lukaku, be glad to see the back of your agent and your Dad, will miss the potential you have and goals, but if your hearts elsewhere, go seek the greener grass, no player is bigger than Everton f.c.

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