Bayern face competition for Onyekuru

My initial reaction is that Everton really are in a mess but, in the absence of work permit for this season, it may be best if we allow the player to move on. I was going to add that Everton should insist on first refusal or a buy-back clause but that really would be the height.

I have a selection problem here, whether to file this under: Horse Droppings : Cow Pats or Bull Dung?

Hopefully someone will help me out, how could we possibly consider, a player on our books, who is scoring goals everywhere he has been, but because of Work Permit issues, and NOT actually played for us, being sold?

Something we are crying out for, since Lukaku left, and here we 'possibly' have the chance to get someone, who belongs to us anyway, and sell him on.

Room 101!

Derek - he's scored less in Belgium than Lukaku and in Turkey scores less than Tosun. If we could off load:

Tosun – est 㾻M
Vlasic – est 㾻M
Henry – est 㾻M
Lookman – est 㾻M

All I would say low balling that would be 㿨M for a striker, and none of those are even near the 1st squad for one reason on another.

A striker is a must – someone who could add 15-18 goals on top of Sigurdsson and Richarlison is going to make a difference

But we do need to be better at set pieces next season.

I know that sounds simple but you would like to think that could be a 10-point difference in the league.

I thought he was a winger rather than a striker?

Surely he'll get a work permit this summer?

We need to hold on to good young players, not sell them off.

Sounds about right. I mean, why should we be interested in cultivating a young talent that Bayern Munich's prepared to swoop for?

Surely if clubs like Bayern Munich are interested, then if Everton are genuinely interested in keeping him, then they could apply for one of those special talent visas?

Typical Everton — we sell the best-talented players we have and keep the crap.

If we are all part of the EU where things are supposed to be the same everywhere, then why can he play in Germany and we cannot get a work permit for him in Britain?

A friend of ours is from Zambia and was offered the job of vicar in Bournemouth but his work permit was refused because the diocese had not had the vacancy advertised for 4 weeks in case a EU citizen wanted to apply.

Is the Onyekuru case another one of these where Britain are making their own rules which are far more strict thaN what the EU expects... and then we all complain about the EU?

With his obvious talent, I think we should be doing everything we can to get him playing for us. It's ludicrous that we signed him, having spotted his talent and yet now we are considering selling him to that nothing team Bayern Munich, ffs. If Bayern think he's good enough to play for them, then surely he's worth a chance with us.

I read yesterday that he could make the necessary appearances for Nigeria this summer and we would then have a case for a work permit.

This is a huge mistake, so is selling Lookman, both players will have careers which us blues fans will look at in envy.

We should request a work permit on special grounds, just as many other clubs have in the past.

Let's assume for a moment this story is true.

OK, stop laughing.

Now let's assume two other things: 1. He still can't play for us because of the work permit issue, and 2. if it is Bayern he will be absolutely dying to go.

(If we can get a permit for him or this story is BS, obviously this is an academic argument.)

If the assumptions are true, there's not much debate to be had. There's no indication when he'd be able to join us. So we're paying him £31,000/week (more than Davies, Holgate or Lookman), for at least one more season and maybe more, to score goals for other people.

So we can force him to stay in the hopes that he can actually put on our shirt someday (which he would hate because, hey, it's Bayern), or we can double our investment and get him off the books and use the money for a player who can actually play for us.

Not a tough call for me... IF all the assumptions are correct.

Just to add some thrash to the gossip... :)

Not sure he would want to live in Germany anyway as supposedly he is being sued here by a woman claiming to have had a child with him in Belgium... and as he is refusing to pay his child support, she wants to sue.

I really can't imagine him in the Bayern squad if he can't get into the Everton squad... so I know where I will dump this.

“We need to hold on to good young players, not sell them off.”

To echo Mike Gaynes's point, perhaps we need to acknowledge we may not be privy to all the facts before we blast the hierarchy. The player may have changed his mind about playing in the Premier League or just lost patience with the work permit thing. He may have indicated that he has no interest in extending his contract with us. Under those circumstances, the club would be sensible to consider decent offers for him.

Kevin, he isn't in our squad because he doesn't have a work permit to play in England.

Si, that very well may be true, but what about Vlasic who has scored Champions League goals this season? What about Lookman who looked excellent in Germany?

For me, there is a list of around 15 players I'd want out of our football club before these 3.

Hmmm, good enough for Bayern but not for Everton, sounds about right.

A lot of people have been clamouring for a wholesale clear out of the dead wood at the club. Could this cull please include the imbeciles who sanction deals like this. Remember David Henen? Come to that... remember Martin Murray?

Alan (16), Martin Murray didn't cost anything, just one of those wonder boys, came from Ireland at a young age and his potential never materialised Same as Jimmy Page, a young Geordie, we signed him as a 15-year-old on the basis of him winning a 'keep the ball up' competition. He was superb at it – just couldn't play joined up football.

Indeed Dave. I seem to remember we battled with Man Utd for his signature. He was billed as the next George Best — no pressure there then! Think he was homesick and never settled. I wonder if he made a living in the game?

A lot of people seem to have assumed this story to be true and therefore Onyekuru must be the next Leroy Sane and therefore Everton have somehow "buggered it up".

Wait and see and remember that potential is always a gamble.

Simon, I agree with the sentiment but the reality is that these players can force the club's hand if they want to. I will go with the assumption that the club isn't actually forcing top young talent who are desperate to remain at the club (and demonstrating that desire in every way they can) out of the door until someone can prove otherwise.

Aidan, I'm not sure Sane is the best example. There seems to be a growing feeling that his attitude isn't all it could be and Guardiola is close to running out of patience with him.

For those wondering about Henry's work permit. He's got to have played 75% of games for his country over the last two years. Even if he played all the games in this summer's tournament he'd be nowhere near it.

He was unlucky to have been injured for the World Cup and so missed out on possible appearances. That's also turned out to be unlucky for the club as, had he made the World Cup, we MAY have had a better chance of getting his work permit.

The club can't be blamed for injuries and IMHO have made quite an astute purchase. If he'd have played enough games and we got the permit, we could have had a very useful player in our squad. He got injured and a work permit looks unlikely but it appears that we can sell him for a large profit.

Although we'd have preferred him in a blue shirt it has to be looked on (from a business perspective) as a win/win. Who knows... we may still be able to get a permit under "special" circumstances.

Alan 16, I think you're looking at the wrong end of the transfer dealings

Sanctioning the signings is a small risk compared to the outlay.

Sanctioning large sums for players at their peak is a larger risk (Bolasie??)

Also, sanctioning the sale of youngsters who could go on and achieve better and be worth millions is where we are generally good, but have had some slip ups (Dier, Mustafi).

Kevin, the other thing that people never seem to recognise with the junior players is that nowadays we have to have enough to create competitive teams at multiple age levels.

Of course, the hope is that all of them will go on to be great first team players but the reality is that, if they are at least competent U23s, then it is job done to an extent. Any overall operating profit is a welcome bonus.

Don't know a great deal about the lad but talented, ambitious players with pace and can score a few goals is exactly what we need.

It's probably more bull than a calf but if he wasn't our player and we were trying to sign him I'm pretty sure it would be a starting price nearer 㿊M.

I hope to keep and loan out our best young players who may not be get much football for us but need it to develop.

Munich, Madrid or Morecambe doesn't matter. Their development and keeping hold of the best players does.

But as I said on another thread if they don't want to stay or another loan then get maximum value now and add buy back, sell on % and a few more clauses to give us future millions ie Naismith deal.

No point keeping unhappy players and I can't fault them wanting to better themselves as long as we get a good deal. We don't need to rush as we don't need the cash like we used to.

Phil #8 : "If we are all part of the EU where things are supposed to be the same everywhere, then why can he play in Germany and we cannot get a work permit for him in Britain?"

No, Phil, not everything is supposed to be the same everywhere in the EU, and that includes work permits for nationals of countries outside the EU.

Phil (@8),

Work permits are different for all of the EU member countries, each country has it's own heritage and often ties with colonies that are easier to get work permits for in general. Dutch have Antilles/Indochina and also Turkish. Portugal/Spain see Brazil & South America. UK: India/Pakistan. Germany has a lot of Turkish immigrants. We should have invaded South America rather than India.

Martin, we did get hold of Guyana.

Martin #26 - I do recall reading somewhere that some time in the distant past there was serious consideration given to invading Chile - possibly not the preferred bit of South America from a football perspective, perhaps.

Martin #26.

Britain has invaded every country in South America except Paraguay & (I think) Bolivia. (Although Brazil may be classified as a 'maybe'... as we sent the Royal Navy to blockade ports for 6 days.)

Why the hell do we not keep the lad, get a permit, and play him? Jesus, I thought we wanted Champions League!

Stephen

I don't think we invaded Ecuador unless you're counting signing Segundo Castillo and Enner Valencia.

Eddie (#27); Fair does, we got Clive Lloyd from there and wasn't there talk of a Mal Vinas scouting expedition.

Martin Kieran #31
The only countries in the Americas that Britain has not had some sort invasion are Guatemala Bolivia & Paraguay.

http://www.humanosphere.org/basics/2013/08/map-of-the-day-where-the-brits-never-invaded/

But we still, I think, have troops in Belize. British Honduras as was. To deter invasion from Guatemala