Silva rues more costly errors from 'nervous' Everton

We've been playing the same miserable system for how long and now he is going to analyse it and do it again next game but against a lower division team.

Please, somebody, have a word.

Teams like Sheffield Utd we should be putting to the sword; unfortunately, our sword is blunt and the next Premier League game is Man City.

Our next 2 games, City and then Burnley away will be 0 points (1 at best against Burnley). Bottom 3 awaits.

He played two defensive midfielders again Sheffield United. How many will he play there against Man City?

For god's sake, man, own up. You are in way over your depth. Watford must be pissing themselves laughing having been compensated for this fraud. Send him back and get a refund.

"In a moment this or in a moment that"!!! Anytime now, we'll hear the word "Phenomenal". Looks way out of his depth.

Martinez, Koeman and Silva — none had any success in the Premier League, no track record, except (in the case of two of them) getting teams relegated.

I don't want more patronising pap from management diploma gobshites. I want us to start winning football matches regularly, because that's what we're here for.

Is there an unwritten rule at this club that involves having to play TWO holding midfielders at all costs?

Why do we bring everyone back to defend corners?

Why don't we possess a single centre forward that can control a ball, score, shoot straight blah blah.

Why do none of our midfielders pick the ball up and run bloody FORWARD?

Why do we only have one way of playing, pass the ball out wide only to put in the usual half baked shoulder high crosses, for Christ sake will someone tell them that we no longer have Tim Cahill, Duncan Ferguson or Marouane Fellaini in the middle waiting?

Why has there been too much sentiment about replacing players like Coleman (who has been great for us but his legs have long since gone and his crossing is god awful)?

Why have we left ourselves short on central defensive options?

Why are we so easy to beat?

Why don't we score enough goals, or take enough shots or even look feckin arsed when passing the ball at snail pace?

Why don't we just start signing players that might actually bust a gut for us from teams in the lower realms of Premier League or Championship, it didn't do any harm why Moyes brought in the likes of Cahill and Lescott?!

I don't trust Moshiri or Brands at all no matter what.

Moshiri has pursued Silva all the way when really he should have been chasing a manager with a serial winners CV or at least someone who has achieved a few things in British Football and has a bit more knowledge of the game, I could even have understood a Eddie Howe appointment, at least he's been through the leagues and got a good attacking side there.

We are the most tepid boring unit to watch in the league.

I'm sick of being told to be patient, how can we be patient watching dog shit turn stale week in week out?

A counter attack manager, yet his team has more possession than most teams. Most notably possession with little penetration.

His record against poor teams is very poor. We may win some games against dross but we rarely play well.

After his ‘magic' subs today we were shapeless, had no pattern of play and there was still 30odd minutes left. Surely this detail maestro ‘games' tricky situations like this out? We resembled the 2-3-5 of the 1950s but without the goals.

His in game solutions to adversity are non existent, proof his record when we concede first.

I'd expect Brands to act, because the structure is there to dispense with a poorly performing manager. Sadly I think he'll hesitate, based on my gut, we will see a marginal improvement and wait for the next wobble.
Brands signed off on him but it wasn't his choice. In the harshest of terms, he's not his problem. I was like lukewarm at best, wobbled last season and have seen enough. Going nowhere under Silva.

Positional sense, communication, heart, passion and most of all Pace and movement!

The current 'head coach' appears to want to play the same system, with mostly the same players regardless of the outcome. He needs to change his thinking quickly or surely his position will be untenable.

In my opinion he has to play 433. This means sigurdsson has to he sacrificed. He is offering so little anyway, its obvious to most. Energy has to be injected above would imagine the likes of Tom Davies and others from the u23s would at the very least add some energy.

I also think serious consideration should be given to dropping Pickford. He needs a kick up the ass and taking down a peg. He is causing most of the nervousness and lack of confidence in the back four.

Please, please someone within the club so something. And quick. Coyb !

Partly a poor summer recruitment: no options at centre back and no proven goalscorer.

I have no time for snobs that think players like Josh King, Mitrovic, Ashley Barnes not good enough: each of those will get 10-15 this season whereas we don't own a striker that I believe can give us that eg DCL, Tosun, Kean
(I don't count Ritchie because he's a winger and we need some one that can hold the ball + score)

Silva really isn't impressing and is in fact depressing

This is crap: results haven't improved and nor have performances he's surely walking towards the trap door

Why do we have a goalkeeper who flaps at crosses and comes out when the attacker is bearing down on goal and gives him all the goal to aim at. All these points are and should be dealt with in Finch Farm but from what we are seeing on the pitch either they are not listening or are totally stupid and can't grasp what they are being told.

If the manager wants to keep his job he has to make them get a grip of the instructions otherwise I'm afraid it's curtains for him. The next two games will determine his fate.

People are calling for Silva's head, and as someone who wasn't a big fan of his appointment to begin with, I think people should really consider Marcelino. I've been calling for his appointment for something like the last three seasons, but for some reason he keeps slipping under the radar. Instead, we go for managers with "Premier League experience" who ultimately get us nowhere.

Pickford did the same for last weeks third goal at Bournemouth, comes then doesn't come, leaving the striker with a simple task of finishing.

Mind you having said that, I wouldn't have backed one of our lads to have scored that chance, no doubt they'd have wanted three touches and ran it out for a goal kick lol.

It is rotten from top to bottom.

Too many bad feelings are at the club.

Changing the manager, the staff the players wont fix it.

Moshiri needs to take full control of the club and get Kenwright out.

Then they need a mass clear out of cronies and a new management structure and a strategy.

Only at this point do you consider what this means for the playing side.

Kase #29, you're right we are snobs! Moyes, Allardyce and Koeman not good enough. Not good enough for this great club. Yes, if you know your history. If any club has milked their history, we have 'cause we haven't come close to a trophy. We lack leaders on the pitch. The first team management team lack experience. My worry in the summer was our defence. No 15-20 goal scorer, boy our defence will have to step up. That's happened!!!

Silva post-match interviews. Not got a clue how to fix it. It's hope over desperation. I wanted Moyes back when koeman departed to settle the ship with money for quality players. He had the club at heart and every player fought for the club. Moyes, Unsworth and Cahill to settle the ship. Won't happen though. Silva will be given time and I do hope he can turn it around.

Silva needs to get tough with some players. There not giving all!! Stuff talent, work harder!!

Ian, Moyes Unsworth and Cahill?? Interesting thought that one!

I keep banging on about how Silva sets up his teams. Call it 4-3-3 or 4-2-1-3, it is ineffective and impossible with the personnel we have at our disposal.

We haven't a box-to-box midfielder or preferably two of them,which this system requires. When in the sixties we played 4-3-3 we had Ball, Kendall and Harvey who were all box to box players, similarly in the eighties we had Bracewell and Reid to anchor and provide energy and we played with two central strikers, Gray and Sharp, or Sharp and Lineker.

Now we have no box to box players, and our anchors can't pass. We play up-front with umpteen wide players each trying unsuccessfully to provide a central striking role and each failing miserably.

Yet week in, week out Silva persists in this formation. The definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting it to be different next time.

Next week, we'll try Tom Davies against Man City, perhaps we'll start with Richarlison, Iwobi and Walcott, on the buggins turn principle, and we'll possibly lose again.

As for our hapless zonal marking from set-pieces. Mr Silva, have you noticed it isn't working. Our defenders stand like rabbits in headlights and our attackers and midfielders fail to do their marking jobs by blocking the opponents' runs.

Having met the mighty teams like Bournemouth, Brighton, Villa and Sheffield United, we're now moving onto the better teams. God help us with this tactical genius in charge.

Where do we score enough goals to win enough games?

Where do we keep enough clean sheets to avoid defeats?

Where is the identity and pattern of this team?

I was no massive Moyes fan, he evidently won zero but he didn't spend the lavish amounts that we do now.

One thing we had, however, under Moyes, regardless of a lack of success, was an identity most of the time, a way of playing that commanded some respect form opposing sides.

Too right it was!

As I say, there was more identity back then, less to spend but signing some hidden gems from Cahill to Arteta, to Pienaar to Coleman to Lescott, even canny little loan signings like Brian McBride or Landon Donovan.

There seemed to be more identity and intimacy there in the club back then.

Now, we are just splashing 㿊 million here there and everywhere and trying to convince ourselves that we are signing really talented players when the actual performances and end results are just all a bit shit really.

Moshiri has been here nearly four years, look at the managers he's been through and the money spent yet we are no closer to remotely looking like a top-six challenger let alone participant.

My worry is we are like Villa with Randy Lerner. Good intentions, lots of money spent but mistake after mistake in recruiting, management and tactics.

Sigurdsson runs him close, a dead ball specialist; Spurs soon realised his limitations and got rid. In the right team he could play just behind a central striker and pick up the loose ball, but run a midfield, provide the creative nous for a team? Don't make me laugh.

Walcott, is simply a joke.

Of the four Barcelona fringe players only Digne has truly been a success and the jury is out on his defensive capabilities.

Not all these buys are Silva's work, but we have had a plethora of duff managers since Kendall Mark I and Silva is continuing the tradition of setting up teams with players who can't play the system he wants and then talking about individual mistakes. It's the system and the players who make the mistakes inevitable.

This lot don't seem to know whether they're coming or going and the Man City game could be Armageddon!

"As far as value for money goes, has there been a worse buy than Richarlison?"

Don't be so daft, Rick.

It's only 6 games in but getting just 7 points against the teams we've played is a very, very poor return. Silva won't be sacked in the near future but, at the very latest, he'll be put out of his misery in December. At this rate, I can easily see us losing 5 straight then, starting with the Leicester game.

I can't see anything but a loss against Man City, then Burnley away before another international break. If we lose to City and Burnley, will the board finally say enough is enough?

The Premier League table doesn't matter this early in the season but to be dropping points so easily and regularly against the lower teams must be setting off alarm bells surely.

I have never understood why Silva was chosen over the likes of Benetiz, Howe and other experienced Premier League managers.

Spot on, we've got no identity or playing style.

But it's all Kenwright's fault, and I reiterate: I am no fan of Kenwright.

This is what happens when an owner with no experience of running a football club picks the manager because he thinks this is a business project, a money-making exercise. How on earth did Moshiri decide Silva was the right man to manage the Blues? He's weak moody and often shambolic in his man-management, team selection and tactics.

The chickens have really come home to roost now, Moshiri will lose £millions of his fortune and we are now in a desperate position IMO, but I don't see a way out, because Silva will be given even more time. When he finally goes and he will, probably by Christmas, it will be a miracle if left to Moshiri, that he picks the right man to lead us back to stability. We all know what will happen if he fails again.

The frightening thing today was that Silva took the shotgun approach and let Sheff Utd have it with both barrels, we effectively had 5 forwards on at the end and we still looked blunt.

Silva by doing this was admitting he's got no more ideas. He's lost; for his and our sakes, the end has to come.

I'm in danger of becoming a broken record, but nothing changes, at Everton, and the appallingly lack of character and shape is so clear, and I sense every team is eager to play us, now as we have no character and no guile and heart.

Every one should be refunded for attending the last two matches.

But that won't stop this rot. Too slow, no threat other than the wings, which rarely deliver good crosses, no movement, and it's too easy.

I despair, and any one who believes this season won't be a struggle, then on this start, I can't see how it won't. I hope I'm proved wrong.

And yet here come a team that completely outplays us, play to a system their manager trains them to, and walks off with a result. so the question is, which manager done his homework and used it on the training ground.?

I believe Everon will eventually finish higher than S.Utd but doubt it will be in the top 6 to do it. We are in a rut that gets deeper and ends in a hole,and need someone to stop it now, and I am not sure if Silva can do it.

No one likes to see Everton changing their manager at the pace we are doing it, but it will cause more damage than we ever imagined if we continue the way we are playing. Silva is the manager and it is up to him to turn it around, and if he does not seem to be up to it, the owner better do something about it.

Moshiri does not understand the commitment of the Everton supporters and their faithfulness in attending home and away games, and as they say in boxing you hit a person often enough and he will go down. Continue playing like Everton are and you will start to see the attendances go down,and it will be far from easy to get them back.

Mr Moshiri you are in a privileged position as owner of Everton F.C. and as such you need to read the riot act to the people who are responsible for what is happening in this once proud club, and show you have a mean streak to protect your investment.

Success comes from the top, failure to act is a sign of weakness, supporters deserve success from you.

Sack the board and save a fortune. Let Moyes handle the recruitment and the footballing philosophy.

Evolution - Sensible option go for Marcelino but give him some power.

But today he'd sent out a lame duck with his selection. Morgan Schneiderlin who has been a regular in previous slumps under other coaches in again. No Davies.

Then he brings on Cenk not DCL...strange move given one has pace and the other doesn't, one scored last weekend, the other one didn't.

Why can't he grasp that the total lack of pace in the middle - Gylfi and MS - means breaking during a counter attack is very difficult to do?

I'm also getting tired of sides gambling with balls into our box and scoring and we never do it. Just occasionally if they drove balls low into the box, fast, we might get a ricochet? If you do it, defences get panicky and you have a good chance at a second wave attack.

We also are useless at set pieces, especially corners. Digne is good but with him and Gylfi in the side, we should be causing mayhem and we don't.

I don't think it all should be laid at his door. There's been a weird and incompetent failure by the club to buy a proven Premier League striker. Somebody to get the bread and butter goals.

Key players have massively underperformed. Gylfi has vanished in way too many games under three managers. Walcott has brought little of his decade long experience to the pitch.

Drop Pickford for a start. His well documented inability in dealing with crosses and set pieces shows no sign of improvement. Sign a centre half in January. Sign a playmaker also. We will never improve while Sigurrdson is in the team, he is a complete waste of space. He takes corners, end of!

Tom Davies gets rave reviews on International duty, yet can't a look in for us? Kean looks totally out of his depth at present. For God's sake buy or get a loan deal on a mature proven striker from somewhere, to lead the line and score goals. As ridiculous as it sounds, Niasse would probably be as good as any on current form. That's how much of a joke we are becoming up front.

Marco, the honeymoon is over. You need to man up, show some bottle and make radical changes right now!

We will double our money or more on Richarlison and he will end up playing for a better club than us.

The only sensible option now is Benitez. Worked miracles at Newcastle and won big trophies, we need him asap.

There's long memories on here and at GP, I doubt he'd be forgiven for making certain comments about the dimensions of our club compared to the one across the park.

The smart money, though, would be on him to do a good job here.

Just watched his interview in MOTD and he needs to be gone, ,the chance of him finding a wining formula after what I have seen this year and last would be bordering on miraculous,,

Give him another month but it would be negligence of a nearly criminal nature if the club where not looking at other options NOW ( then again they have yet to even try to replace Lukaku so who knows )

He's a winner in every sense, a clever canny bastard and look at some of the results he pulled off at a crisis torn Newcastle?

He'd never come here though and to be honest I wouldn't trust Moshiri to get the next appointment right either, his track record so far has been very very underwhelming.

Is he really trying to get us to believe that this team of (mostly) experienced international footballers were too nervous to go out and play a game of football against the giants of Premier League football, Sheffield United?

If he truly believes that, then it really is time to go, because the only person who has the ability to spread nervousness among the team in none other than... Marco Silva.

He's the man who supposedly trains/coaches them, sets out the game plan and instructs those selected (by him) to play, in exactly what he expects from them, and tells them how he expects them to achieve it. In doing so, is he making them nervous by asking them to do things they're not familiar with or are afraid of?

Silva is becoming more like Martinez with every press conference. You just have to insert 'moments' instead of 'phenomenal' and there you have it, Roberto Mk ll. Only there are no smiles and jokes to soften the painful truth that Silva is completely out of his depth and doesn't have the tactical nous or basic ability to manage at this level.

What induced Moshiri to chase the guy for nine months, ending up paying millions in compensation to Watford who are now doubtlessly laughing themselves silly at soft touch Everton?

For God's sake, Mr Moshiri, admit you made a horrendous mistake (again), and fire the latest inept apology for a manager hired on your watch before we really get dragged into the relegation fight.

The amount of compensation that has been paid out for Managers both to the Club they came from, and to them for cessation of Contract from us, is both embarrassing and costly.

As I have said on here many times, Farhad Moshiri should have been the answer to a long awaited prayer, but it is almost the opposite, when it's calculated the amount of money that has been spent on both players and Managerial Compensation, we are not a lot better off than before his arrival.

Furthermore, it is evident that Farhad is NOT a footballing man, but merely an investor and figurehead. Which beggars the question, who the hell is ill-advising him to appoint these useless Managers and buy over-priced dud footballers? (in many, not all cases)

I have seen on this, TW, people have even pointed the finger at M Brands, saying he was instrumental in Silva's appointment, I fail to see how because it was mooted well before M Brands was even mentioned, and eventually appointed, that Everton were sniffing round Silva.

Hence all the hulla-balloo and claims for compensation from Watford, for diverting Silva's attention from the job in hand, in which he was doing so well, (not) which led to him being given the order of the Watford Boot.

Then it was Professor Blubber, Lardiola, Fat Sam, whichever nickname he has earned for 6 torrid months (oh on an eighteen month con-trick by the way) so how could brands have been involved in Silva's appointment?

Having said all this Brands is not the Manager and I do believe he has got some decent players for us, (maybe a bit over-priced in some cases) plus cleared the decks of deadwood. Although some are on loan and will come back, only to be loaned out again.

I'm pretty sure Brands has seen what is happening at Finch Farm, must see Silva's training in action, (?) and how that translates onto the pitch on Matchdays. He must also know the general feeling of the players towards Silva, so I am sure he will report to Farhad Moshiri on a fairly regular basis, being a Board Member himself.

I doubt whether there would be any sentiment there toward Silva when weighing up the implications of retaining him, against the inevitable damage it will do to the Club and to the fanbase in the long run. I just hope he is capable of convincing Silva to do the gentlemanly thing and resign to save not only face, but the Club more money.

We can swap endless managers or players, the root cause is the people who own and run the club.

Moshiri is an absentee owner, like Ellis Short at Sunderland was. And he has given this fiefdom to Bill 'boys pen' Kenwright.

Bill has stuffed the club with yes people.

The CEOs credentials are appalling evidence of this. Running a football club is nothing like a charity.

Working at Everton in the football industry has a reputation that lots of people avoid, people only go there for the money or they are a fan.

Yes sadly, we are the football club people don't like working at, this goes to the very top as to why, it's a toxic culture.

What kind of manager takes 2 years to avoid conceding goals from basic setpieces? You could take 4 defenders from the 3rd division who would defend better with a decent system in place.

Were my eyes decieving me in the 2nd half, did he have all 11 back defending a corner without a man attacking the ball or even a player on the posts?

The 2nd goal there was 1 possible pass available with 6 blue shirts unable to see or snuff out the danger, absolute shocking and these don't learn Villa scored a similar goal still fresh to us fans but not to manager or players.

I'd rather we still have Sam Allardyce at the moment to what we have now (and thats says a lot). The people that have made decisions at this club over the past 3 decades have killed it. Everton are nothing but an embarrassing relic.

Not surprised at all by the result.

Deadman walking here, deadman walking the blue mile.

But the nagging feeling is, if the players are nervous playing Sheff Utd at home, throw in the towel as soon as they go behind and own such an embarrassing an away record, what's the point? Theres no self belief and Silva seems unable to provide any.

"I just hope he is capable of convincing Silva to do the gentlemanly thing and resign to save not only face, but the Club more money."

If you were Silva would you give up millions to save the club money? I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. He'll want sacking like his predecessors did.

There isn't another candidate in our reach with his type of cv.

Yes we have to give more time but we have seen nothing to suggest any of the new players will make a difference. Iwobi has been good and its clear he can pass a ball better than most of the players we have but Silva drops him.

It looks to me like we have signed players based on brute force and strength whatever happened to guile, creativity and skill.

Brands is often praised on here well I aint seen anything to suggest he can spot talented players early at bargain prices. Plenty of dogshit at top prices and no better than the last clown with no improvement is what I see.

Newcastle got Joelinton and Andy Carroll in one window so you can get two aggressive strikers.

I do worry we are working too much with very dodgy agents like Raiola who I believe has had a similar damaging effect at Man Utd.

I also worry about the fact that Schneiderlin is the highest paid player in the squad, with very real concerns a clause is in his contract that he has to be play a minimum number of matches per season.

The lack of shape and vision down the middle means we are now so predictably slow, naive and ineffective. If you don't shoot you don't score.

Possession is nothing if you don't use it and I sense the balance in this team is hard to find and if Marco Silva doesn't know his best team, then I won't neither as he is the manager and collectively with his coaching staff, drill the players.

It's as if they turn up like a pub team playing a testimonial match.

The chance to puncture the top six this season is gone in my view. Sheffield Wednesday is a must win, I'd like to think the players have been brought into today to FInch Farm, but is that likely?

The fall from grace for Everton is not overnight, it's happened over the last 3 decades, and unless the basic qualities, of spirit, determination, desire, care and team work, are brought back into the fold, this season will pester out.

It's sadly predictable and like before in 1990s, staying in the pub, is the better option, than watching that turgid laboured pedestrian crab football.

Now is the time to show leadership and it will be a decisive week. City could get another record score next week.

Will Everton turn up? Surely one game a month with this team to put a full shift in, for 97 mins,is not too much to ask?

Defensively and in Midfield we are a joke that a cant face talking about.

What a shite weekend. again.

Moshiri is on record saying what a shambles he took over. Look what Moshiri has done to the ground for a few hundred thousand. Why didn't Kenwright do that in his 20 years?

We are a small club who can't attract top managers or proven strikers so have to gamble on younger people hopefully on the way up. Obviously it often goes wrong.

We've had him for a season and a quarter, for the money spent on him, he doesn't influence games enough. Think of Everton greats and my first hero Hickson clutching a blood-soaked bandage to win us a game. Richarlison would faint at the sight of blood, never mind continue playing.

If we field ANY side on Wednesday, we're stuffed! Tuesday we have a better chance!

I am sorry, Mr Fearns, but Shneiderlin should be nowhere near the first team. Can somebody tell me the percentage of games we have actually won when he starts? I am sure it is in single digits!

Koeman persevered with him and look what happened to him. At least fat Sam got rid of him. So can somebody tell me how on earth he gets near the first team? He is slow ponderous and cannot tackle so what does he bring to the team? He is definitely not a player for the future.

Why not blood some of the exciting youngsters we have? I have not seen him bring anybody up as yet. He keeps trotting out the old has-beens who we know have huge limitations.

So two defensive midfielders against Sheffield Utd at home speaks volumes. No wonder they were nervous! I am not sure where we are going with this guy but a loss to the other Sheffield team and a drubbing against Man City could be his last game in charge.

The very best we can hope for is beating that lot across the park and we don't even ever do that

At least if the football was exciting then great but it's not

The whole thing is so so depressing

This is the first time I've posted because I share the same frustrations and worries about our club. My own personal take on it is that expectations within the staff at EFC are so low that incoming foreign players within no time at all, become disillusioned by our secondary status in the city and apparently waste no time in expressing their desire to move on to a 'bigger club'. If they didn't realize it when they signed they do so after crossing the threshold.

Does anyone else recall Jagielka scoffing at the idea of us challenging for top four when it was suggested to him by Lukaku who had just joined us? What type of club captain gives out that impression to a new and ambitious young striker? Can you imagine a Liverpool player saying such a thing? Would anyone one of us accept a senior member of staff with such an attitude.

As fans we are still ambitious but it's clear our club and some of the staff insitu do not share our ambition and even the idea of competing with our neighbors is laughable.

It's too easy to blame Silva and yes he should be held accountable but the fact that a new signing, Delph, has broken ranks by speaking out is I believe just the tip of the iceberg. I'm sure there are quite a number of recent former players who could enlighten us on the atmosphere behind the scenes.

Like you all, I wish we had answers.

One example of it, straight off the top of my head, is Leighton Baines laughing and joking with Liverpool fans when taking a throw in as we were getting hammered there. It was under Martinez and we had 10 or 9 men. We didn't have a centre back on the pitch and they had something like 42 attempts at goal.

Baines and Jags were both very good players but absolutely personified the loser culture that has taken a vice like hold at the place.

The semi-final against them was a watershed for me. They were terrified. It was a total surrender.

Silva's latest comments just show the scale of the task. He and his staff clearly can't lift them. And we aren't signing the right type of personalities. Delph must be thinking "what the fuck have I done?"

Apparently Deph was at Goodison till 6:30pm on Saturday. We need more like him in. Men with personality and character. Apparently Richarlison was out the door by 5:15pm.