Heritage body recommends that Bramley-Moore Dock plan be called in

It will be interesting to see how this Tory government, desperate to get the economy moving, and big infrastructure projects and employment opportunities, might respond to the request to call it in.

Added to that, Moshiri will hire the best legal team money can buy, I doubt Historic England has the funds to go toe-to-toe with us and it'll probably be thrown out long before needing a court decision.

It's white noise and they need to make the objection – otherwise, what's the point in their existence?

Or...

Our new Colombian links will smooth things over.

I guess these heritage people would rather see it remain a derelict eyesore than regenerated.

Has anyone checked they're not a Liverpool supporters club masquerading?

World Heritage status, certainly in this instance, means and stands for absolutely nothing. The area gets nothing out of it!

Given the (potentially very damaging) slack the Tory Government wishes to allow planning permission in the UK to combat what BoJo himself calls 'Nimbyism', and given the state of the economy in the wake of Brexit and Covid-19, it would be a huge shock if the government puts the mockers on this.

They need it, the city needs it, the region needs it and we the club very much need it.

Have any of those ladies and gentlemen had a good look at the long term decay and dereliction of that area?

Far from detracting from a World Heritage Site, this investment and sympathetic development will be the unique saviour of this historical area.

It will inspire more careful and respectful investment, reinvigorate the local economy and bring new life, in every sense, to the surrounding environment. The past and the future working in harmony to create a better present.

Even if the land wasn't proposed to be used for a football stadium, they would dispute any modernisation of an area which is now wasteland and a total eyesore.

Maybe if they don't want a football stadium there, they need to put their money where their mouth is and build up the area so it can do justice to the great city of Liverpool.

I ask English Heritage how many of their board would want to buy a residence in that part of Merseyside. The Albert Dock it ain't.

Liverpool Docks were hugey involved in the Slave Trade – should we preserve that filthy stain on our heritage too? FFS, let us move on.

EFC are providing a huge chance of significant regeneration in an area that has been crying out for it for decades. Don't stop it now.

The fact the club has bent over backwards in every aspect of the planning application and the economic implications it will have for the city, there's no way this will be called in. Especially in the current climate when this government wants to create jobs in a market that's on the downturn.

No offence to anyone who lives in that area but it's a shit-hole and it really needs new life and I think all the local residents would agree and it would improve the area also.

I understand the docks had a significant heritage because it was the backbone and heartbeat of the city, But it's unused land now crumbling into nothing.

Really annoys the hell out of me all these graded buildings and sites, out with the old and in with the new I say. No one will care about our history if there is no future, the future of this area needs this new generation, its exciting times not just for us as fans but the entire city and surrounding areas.

I'm from the Wirral myself but when they built Liverpool one up it has taken Liverpool city centre to a whole new level, it's the place to go for anything you want, be it shopping, entertainment, food or a night out the place is absolutely buzzing constantly.

Having a new stadium and building up those docks will create a new legacy for Liverpool. Can't wait either!

Can't see the planning getting overturned though; too much investment and income. Those heritage England do-gooders will just have to suck it up.

Our case is stronger. It will win.

Liverpool City Council could just revoke the WHS status then we save a fortune. Just left with the Grade 2 listing then.

I have never veered from this view.

They do acknowledge that if the Secretary of State concludes that the benefits outweigh any damage to the site, then it will go ahead. Given that part of the government justification for the billions being spent on HS2 is the creation of 22,000 jobs, then £500 M creating 15,000 jobs is a no-brainier.

Hopefully the club, contractors and Liverpool City Council are lobbying the appropriate politicians, including all in the north-west with many of their constituents likely to benefit. With the economy being on its knees, even this incompetent Cabinet will come to a positive conclusion on the project. I wonder whether anyone from English Heritage has actually visited the site? Even on TalkSport it was accurately described as derelict with no public access.

Just wake me up when it's all over. Like a bloody never-ending nightmare. Thank God moving house is slightly easier.

What the fuck are these “English Heritage” Anoraks protecting anyway? A smelly, dank, water-filled hole? A place where even the seagulls and local rodents avoid like the plague!

This has all the hallmarks of an rs Sabotage campaign.

I've never been a great fan of leaving Goodison – believing it to be a means towards an altogether different end for Russian money – but how the funding from Government and the National Lottery can find its way to the Heritage loonies defies belief!

Johnathon, other than having a good whinge about EFC, what else do you enjoy? Russian Roulette, playing chicken on the M62, or swinging from the overhead wires on the railway?

Different department for called-in planning applications: Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government

As was previously mentioned, this was highlighted alongside the news of the revised design, so I am sure the club, council etc are on the case. It is something we need to keep an eye on though and it may be that at some point we may need to highlight our support of this in terms of the benefits it brings to the city and club.

Just imagine... luxury apartments next to a sewage farm.

How would it be convenient for them for this to fail? It would be a massive, massive cost to the club.

So what exactly is the conspiracy your insinuating? That the club have pumped millions into a publicity stunt that they hope fails?

The E H, need to take off, their historical nostalgia gigs, and get real, to the 21century, and than mankind, Athens world and the Port of Liverpool, move on.

The days of the Onedin Line, passed, years ago, and the North Docks regeneration, plans are huge to the transformation of the City and it's future prosperity.

Hopefully the government will tell, them to get real.

EFC, have complied with all asks, from all parties and surely, this irritation, can be cleared very soon, and the DIG, is not delayed.

These type of people,

These crackpots don't know history from shit and seek to hold the city back in some heritage Disneyland that never actually existed for their own private amusement.

They'll be given their marching orders from all sides of the political spectrum and any local politicians throwing their weight behind the whinging for their own gain will pay the consequences.

Announcing the stadium after the week we have had would be all too much for our lovable neighbours, and we cannot have that can we, especially while they still wait to have a victory parade.

I doubt this will be called in and will be dismissed quietly. With discussions done behind the scenes and brown paper bags changing hands.

I would have thought that the location of the sewerage plant makes any residential development on the BMD site unlikely.

On the other hand once the stadium is built any multi storey commercial or residential development becomes a much more attractive proposition and the preservation of the remaining docks between BMD and the pier head almost guaranteed.

In response to Tony @ 42 - With a little bit of collaboration between the various stakeholders waterfront can be transformed into something like this.

Link

Scroll down the page to see the transformation that took place over 20 years.
Then look at the the jobs created and private investments.

I would question the integrity of any government that stood in the way of this sort of regeneration.

As it's been mentioned before, this project will add jobs, regeneration to the area.

Who are these fucktards? Why don't they move there and send us a postcard.

The Housing Secretary, Robert Jenrick, has been accused of taking cash from billionaire developers to facilitate a development and of improperly taking the taxpayer of £100k in parliamentary expenses for a country house his family and he were isolating - all this just in the last five months.

I suggest that Jenrick could easily become an enormous supporter of the redevelopment up to the cabinet level and I'd be disappointed if that wasn't the case. The club should pull out all the stops here to get the support necessary to proceed.

In the interim, though, it is bad news. If the new stadium is not allowed to proceed, then there isn't a path to profitability for Moshiri and he has little or no financial incentive to retain his ownership stake. This is the worst case scenario and one we must do everything possible to avoid. Without a new stadium, we're sunk.

Just exactly what they would consider as appropriate development appears to exclude any actual commercial activity at all. Residential? With the sewerage plant a 100 mtrs away? Not a good option. It's a badly run-down area both inside the dock walls and along the Dock road.

I think the sewerage plant has been the only development in the past 50 years if you exclude the current Stanley Dock project... has anyone ever taken a walk across the road behind the side streets such as Dublin Street, where the rats run free during the day! It's a nightmare, truly is.

Let's face it, is there any wonder the area has fallen into such decline when you have the restrictions placed on any development by the heritage lobby? If this doesn't get through, nothing will for another 50 years!

Surely a dirty unsightly shithole is far more popular than a new multi-use leisure, commerce, arts, and housing project which they developed by trying to stop a fantastic football Stadium close by a sewage treatment works.

It is a very unfunny cost-spiralling joke, by the time this is sorted there'll be a sharp intake of breath and the price of materials will have gone through the roof.

I wonder how we could convince him?

Funny how the Sewage Plant next door, didn't cause such historic dock heritage driven angst.

Last throw of the dice in the Kopite jealousy stakes. Not totally unexpected.

Tell 'em to do one and stick their blue plaque where the sun don't shine.

My worry is that the obsession with building residential property, fuelled by the State-led misinformation campaign about the housing market, may cause the minister to give too much credence to any putative mainly residential scheme.

He is senior consultant to a team which manages the rights to The Uefa Champiosn League. On his website, AlexBalfour.com, four of his searches are for stories relating to Liverpool FC... (maybe it was research!!!) Interesting what you can find... in plain sight.

Jenrick's decision went against the advice of the local authority planning departments and the decision of the [government-appointed] planning inspector.

The local authorities concerned sued him for judicial review, on the basis of 'apparent bias' in the decision-making process.

Just before the document disclosure stage, Jenrick admitted 'apparent bias' and the case was settled, so he didn't need to disclose the relevant documents to the court. He declined invitations to resign.

Some planning lawyers I know, regard him as a laughing stock. Whether this is good or bad for us, I'm not quite sure.

Surely the right answer is obvious?

Who's running this 'Heritage Society'? – Alan Partridge?

I find it very difficult to imagine a Tory government at any time standing in the way of such a fantastic project for the city of Liverpool. When taking the current economic plight into account the timing of the objections by WHS is probably actually pretty good for EFC.

There is no way on earth Everton's proposals for development will be turned down. To miss out on the prosperity that a project like this will generate and the growth catalyst in the vicinity would be sheer madness to turn down.

Rest easy the faithful, we will be moving in!

Heritage is not how I'd describe it

Won't hurt I guess

The next step is for Liverpool City Council to review and process the amended planning application before starting their formal public consultation period. Led by the Council, the public consultation is a legal requirement that is anticipated to last 28 days and offers the public an opportunity to comment on the Club's amended planning application.

Due to the size of the application Liverpool City Council may need to convene a special planning committee meeting towards the end of the year to make its determination. Subject to planning approval as well as the finalising of funding, the Club hopes that work could commence on-site early in 2021.

Amended plans submitted

Surely with his sports business hat on. (He is involved with UEFA, Olympic stadium etc, he should be on side!!)

He was reappointed to the board of Historic England in 2017 by the Department of Culture Media and Sport. Has to be some sort of conflict of interest!! Or am I just being a bit of a conspiracy theorist...

Second heritage group gives red card to £500M Everton stadium

If their efforts to preserve the facade of the Futurist cinema (a well supported local campaign) are anything to go by, we have little to worry about.

You couldn't make this stuff up, could you? Let's preserve something no-one can see or has access to...

These same people I bet you would not give a fuck for the men who built the wall or worked on the docks, they would walk past you as you were breaking your back in the pissing-down freezing rain. admiring the stonework.

Join your friends at English Heritage (whatever) and get a real cause.

Having this accolade is for the very important issue of heritage and history and all Evertonians should respect this, just as we and the club should respect our own heritage by re-developing Goodison Park, our home of 128 years!

Greatie Market should be recreated "everything on the floor a happeny". Anyone who moved out in the '50s and '60s to Kirkby, Skem, wherever should be decanted back and issued demob suits and flat caps.

These pricks should be made to live there, six in a room, coats on the bed, cooking on the fire and an outside bog. Heritage, my arse!