Marcel Brands is quoted in the Dutch outlet NOS as saying of the Man Utd outcast:
“We had him on our list. At the beginning of the transfer window, we enquired at Manchester United, then it was impossible.
“At the end of the window, I received a call from Guido Albers, his agent, that he might be loaned out after all. But at the last minute, it was cancelled. Stopped again.”
Asked whether a January move for Van de Beek could be on the cards, Brands added: “It always depends on whether a club wants to cooperate.
“And it is early October, so much can still happen with injuries. Manchester United are playing on various fronts, it's hard to say now.
“It is of course a pity for Donny. He is a very good player, no doubt about it. Such a boy wants to play and wants to return to the Dutch national team.
“But you know that at such a club the pressure is great and the competition is huge. When you see what United had sitting on the bench: Cristiano Ronaldo, Jadon Sancho, Paul Pogba...”
Van de Beek has struggled to stake a claim for a place in Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's side since agreeing to a £40M move from Ajax in the summer of 2020.
The 24-year-old only made 4 Premier League starts last season and has made none so far this season, even being left on the bench as a used sub during Manchester United's Champions League clash against Villarreal last week.
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1 Posted 05/10/2021 at 12:16:41
He reminds me of Davey Klaassen. Good technical player but not suited to the fast and physical Premier League.
He can't get a game ahead of Fred, McTominay, Lingard, Matic, Mata.
A Schniederlin Mk 2 gives me the shivers. Loan only... or just leave alone.
2 Posted 05/10/2021 at 12:51:46
3 Posted 05/10/2021 at 16:12:41
4 Posted 05/10/2021 at 16:23:52
We should be looking lower down the leagues and bringing talent through rather than pissing it up the wall on overrated shite like this who think they are too good for us, and down tools at the first sign of a raised eyebrow.
Swerve it, Everton!
5 Posted 05/10/2021 at 17:06:35
6 Posted 05/10/2021 at 17:15:10
He's a very good player, an upgrade on Klaasen and different to anything we've got. He also fits the profile we seem to be going for - like Maitland-Niles, quite young but plenty of experience and Everton offers a chance of regular football so it's a step up of sorts.
Good movement, good quick passing and played well in a dynamic Ajax side in a 4231 ahead of DeJong & Schone and with a bunch of wingers / playmakers either side (esp. Tadic, Ziyech and Neres). Scored and assisted a lot in this set up and not just in the Eredivisie - against top Champions League teams too.
He would most obviously play as a third midfielder alongside Allan and Doucoure.
There's no shame in failing to dislodge Pogba and Fernandes from the more attacking / creative positions because they are absolutely top drawer. DeBeek is not quite up there with them but still good.
7 Posted 05/10/2021 at 17:29:01
8 Posted 05/10/2021 at 17:29:43
We need another player of the profile of Doucouré in my opinion.
We are an injury to a CM away from mediocrity.
One of Bissouma from Brighton or Frank Kessie from Milan would be my guy. Longstaff if were hard up for funds.
9 Posted 05/10/2021 at 17:51:43
10 Posted 05/10/2021 at 18:33:45
Saying that there is no way on earth we should be doing anything other than getting the player on loan. Then seeing if he can sink or swim. Way too risky to be spending what Man Utd would want. £20M+?
We've been linked with the Spanish midfielder Gonzalo Villar too from Roma who may be a decent alternative. I think we will end up with Longstaff for £1.7M as he's out of contract in June, Benitez seems to want him and the rumours keep resurfacing.
11 Posted 05/10/2021 at 19:28:52
Why can't we be paying his wages? You have decided he is guilty? No thoughts he might not be? Then where would we be? Breach of contract? Or is the crime of which he has been accused one where there is a different rule? So if he was doing fraud then fine he can be paid or are you anyone being investigated has no income?
12 Posted 05/10/2021 at 19:47:50
As for Kessie, I expect he'll move for big pay and Champions League football. I don't think we'll fork out the sort of money needed to sign Bissouma for a good few years yet. He won't be short of offers either.
13 Posted 05/10/2021 at 19:59:43
He offers something different to what we currently have (whilst our current No 10 is not playing), although I'm sure Iwobi would disagree and tell you he wants that central position behind the striker!!!
14 Posted 05/10/2021 at 20:09:39
15 Posted 05/10/2021 at 21:08:31
Maybe Ole doesn't trust his own judgement on the player and prefers to keep him on the sidelines rather than let him potentially shine at Everton and embarrass him?
He's under no financial pressure from above so like a spoilt child holds onto all his toys out of insecurity?
I've no idea how good he is but to rule him out as Robert says because he is Dutch like Klaassen... is silly really.
16 Posted 05/10/2021 at 22:13:31
17 Posted 05/10/2021 at 23:18:11
I could really take umbrage at that remark, but then I realised it was with reference to Davy Klassen, so you're off the hook sunshine! :-)
18 Posted 05/10/2021 at 23:23:33
Thank God for that. 😁
19 Posted 06/10/2021 at 00:15:33
Clearly bought over Solskjaer's head, hence him being marginalized. Assuming Man Utd aren't going to be idiots over us being "rivals" loaning him in January is an absolute no-brainer. Still only 23 and an intelligent player, Benitez would get the best out of him. Not on ridiculous wages, allegedly so would be a possible permanent signing if he works out.
He would play ahead of Allan and Doucouré in a 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1 or alongside in a 4-3-3. Would be a real asset.
I think the negative opinions are coming from people who haven't watched him and just assume he's a United cast-off.
20 Posted 06/10/2021 at 00:58:42
21 Posted 06/10/2021 at 06:40:38
On another rumour being floated around, the papers are saying that Arsenal are interested in signing Calvert-Lewin or Ollie Watkins. Very arrogant of them to think that they would be a more attractive option at the moment than Everton and Villa, repectively.
Also, some reports that Mina wants to play in the Serie A next season onwards. My opinion about him has been changing slowly, but I am still not convinced that his body can take the rigours of a full Premier League season. However, I wouldn't want to lose him after he has just started to become productive for us.
22 Posted 06/10/2021 at 07:07:54
I'm generally with Robert on this guy. I saw him play for Ajax. He's good, and fills a role we need filled.
To address a couple of other comments, there's nothing "average" about the players he's sitting behind at Old Trafford, and Klaassen's problem wasn't a lack of physicality, it was a lack of quickness off the mark -- which is not a problem for Donny.
I'm all for a loan.
23 Posted 06/10/2021 at 07:09:31
24 Posted 06/10/2021 at 07:21:38
It's strange we've not made use of many loans recently. We might have benefitted from Lingard last season, or Gallagher this season. Some of my favourite players of the last decade (Arteta, Pienaar, Lukaku etc) came initially on loan and, given our lack of depth in certain areas, I'm surprised we've not utilised loans more.
25 Posted 06/10/2021 at 08:53:52
Of course, Man Utd might be reluctant to let him go to a rival if we are still in touching distance by then.
26 Posted 06/10/2021 at 09:08:29
27 Posted 06/10/2021 at 09:28:00
Still light in attack (although exciting to see chances being given to Gordon and Dobbin) and the chemistry is still not right in central defence, but that might be sorted in summer (along with buying Van de Beek if a success).
Agree with Sam though, these 'try before you buy' deals are ideal, especially if you fix a purchase price in advance.
28 Posted 06/10/2021 at 09:39:31
We need to improve our midfield options from the bench but I'm not sure he's going to want to be part of that.
29 Posted 06/10/2021 at 09:48:32
I read yesterday that Allegri wants to take Allan to Juventus, as he knows him when they were both at Napoli. Again, let's hope that doesn't come to fruition either.
30 Posted 06/10/2021 at 10:19:33
Reports that Mina wants to play in the Serie A next season onwards. Richarlison is being touted as the player they will buy to replace Mbappe
£70M spend and what – £150M incoming? What we have been saying all along – spot the young up-coming stars and sell them for a profit.
31 Posted 06/10/2021 at 10:27:40
Anyway, more of rumours will be around for these unused players of Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea...etc.
I think Benitez has a plan of who he wants and how they can fit in before he buys. Hopefully the sensible buying decisions continue.
32 Posted 06/10/2021 at 10:30:01
Attacking players in particular often blow hot and cold (except the very few truly world class ones) so we need to allow for that – and embrace the fact that some will be on the bench. Having the likes of Gray, Richarlison, Townsend and Von de Beek competing for 3 starting spots seems very healthy to me.
As the last 15 years show, we can't win / achieve things through having a strong first XI but a weak bench.
33 Posted 06/10/2021 at 10:40:08
So is Allan. No way we are trading him to Juve for Ramsey. Daft story.
Calvert-Lewin to Arsenal is certainly exciting their Twitter fans! No chance this happens. If he maintains his form, I think he goes in 2022 to a big hitter for big money. So not The Arse, then.
I've said it before, all signs point to Richarlison being sold next summer for £80M, possibly more if he has a good season. 4 seasons at a club that's largely treaded water is a big chunk of his career. He'll be 25 and want big games at a high profile club. We had Lukaku for 4 seasons; without making progress as a club, that length of service is the best we can hope for.
Of course, if we can somehow crash the Top 4, then all bets are off.
34 Posted 06/10/2021 at 10:43:21
35 Posted 06/10/2021 at 11:02:52
You'd think they would give it a rest and just talk about the football... but no, they now have half our team signing up for other clubs. I hate to say it but it never used to be like this in the Good Old Days!
36 Posted 06/10/2021 at 11:43:49
As it is we are always linked with players who can't get into the first eleven at some "rich" club with a big squad while our best players are linked with those same clubs. Hence we are linked with Van de Beek, Maitland-Niles etc while DCL, Richarlison, Mina and Allan are apparently off to pastures new.
I doubt there is much truth in any of it. But until we are taken as serious contenders for the big competitions this situation will continue.
37 Posted 06/10/2021 at 11:53:56
I think you are right whatever the rumours nothing will happen for 3 months, as for your comment "it never used to be like this". But before we had the introduction of the transfer window then players could move at any time during the season, so at any point you could lose your best player. So at least having a designated time for transfers at least you can hopefully plan things a little better.
For me the power has shifted to much in the players favour, they want 4/5 year deals for their security which is understandable but if a more lucrative offer comes in they then want to renege on the agreement they signed, so they want it both ways. I remember a few years before he died Brian Clough was asked how he would deal with players not seeing out their contracts, his solution was very simple. He said he would get the player and his agent into his office pull out the contract they had both signed get them to verify it was their signatures on the contract, then tell them to F*** off and come back when there were a few months left on their contracts. Funny when a team is doing well quite often a player will send his agent in to get more money, but if things are going badly they never offer to take less money. I think the classic is Chelsea under Benitez, they had been knocked out of the Champions league, so the club lost a lot of possible revenue, but under UEFA rules they went into the Europa league. They got to the final and John Terry as captain went in and asked for a bonus for getting to the final.
38 Posted 06/10/2021 at 12:53:23
Then you have the click bait cowboys who need to make a story up somehow and quite often are just re-hashing parts of columns from the papers.
Then you get the bloody "pundits" quite often being quoted for their thoughts because the click bater can't get anyone else.
It's like the Magic Merry Go Round because there's money in it. They all depend on supporters desire to find out "what's happening" at our club. It might be better than the front page news, but it's not worth believing until the club say something, and the club's not going to say much until a transfer takes place.
It's nice to have a good natter about who we'd like to see the club bring in to strengthen the squad, what positions are we weak in, but Dave's right we've got three months of tittle tattle constructed by the media, and that's all it is.
39 Posted 06/10/2021 at 13:28:57
Dare I venture to suggest that he is doing more and proving far more robust than a certain Colombia megastar some continue to pine for.
40 Posted 06/10/2021 at 14:38:16
That's not saying we should get him. It's up to Rafa first to see if he could fit in.
The way we played at Old Trafford on Saturday was a joy to watch, in that we played as a team. Long may it continue.
Now that Donny isn't playing, he isn't getting picked for the Dutch national team.
Davy Klaasen is. (Before Everton, it was mostly the other way around)
To his credit, DK has never played better.
Donny 's girlfriend, Estelle Bergkamp, has a famous father. No prizes in guessing who that is.
41 Posted 06/10/2021 at 14:50:16
A man who knows a thing or two said this about Van Beek -
Tallying up the differences of playing in the Netherlands with Ajax as opposed to playing in a midfield role elsewhere, van Basten suggested that the 24-year-old may not be up to it. "Van de Beek is not that good," he stated. "As number 10 at Ajax it is much easier than as number 10 in Spain or England.
"Van de Beek is not that good," he stated. "As number 10 at Ajax it is much easier than as number 10 in Spain or England.
He may be wrong as it's only opinion, but an opinion I would say carries a little bit of weight
42 Posted 06/10/2021 at 16:05:17
43 Posted 06/10/2021 at 19:33:34
44 Posted 06/10/2021 at 19:38:51
45 Posted 06/10/2021 at 19:52:11
Even the United fans dislike them and, as a pair, they simply dont play well together
46 Posted 06/10/2021 at 22:23:17
There are tonnes of rumours now, many obviously bollocks too just to help increase advertising revenues. However, both Van de Beek and Maitland-Niles were close to joining in summer and, had we offloaded Rodriguez sooner, we might have them on the books now. So it is speculation about something reasonably likely, even if it remains just speculation.
Personally, the reason I remain interested so far ahead of each transfer window is because I expect the current squad will fall short of either a cup or the Europa League if we don't improve. So the hope of better helps dampen the sense of pointlessness.
47 Posted 06/10/2021 at 22:25:34
48 Posted 06/10/2021 at 23:23:35
49 Posted 07/10/2021 at 00:35:14
McTominay is a very, very good player having a crap season due to an injury, which he finally had surgically treated last month.
The other two players that Van de Beek plays behind are Pogba and Fernandes (nothing average about those guys at all). He is not really cover for Fred, who is primarily a defensive midfielder -- a position Van de Beek rarely played at Ajax.
And the arrival of Cristiano, which pushes Lingard back into a wide midfield position, pushes Van de Beek even further down the pecking order.
Finally, who a player plays behind is often not a predictor of how good he will be. Gray and Townsend were only occasional starters for their previous clubs.
I'll take Van de Beek. Anytime.
50 Posted 07/10/2021 at 03:35:42
Harry Winks? If someone asked me to find the least dynamic footballer that's likely to cost more than £20 million, then Harry Winks would be my immediate answer. File under "avoid at all costs".
51 Posted 07/10/2021 at 04:00:23
Damn. It pains me to disagree with two of my favorite posters on the same thread re Winks and McTominay. If you see me giving Darren a high five, please send over the white coats.
52 Posted 07/10/2021 at 05:44:17
Calm down, lad! I just made a comment because that's what I think would be the scenario. I've no verdict on his situation, but assume as we couldn't name him in the Premier League squad, we're getting insurance payouts.
Van de Beek is for me.
53 Posted 07/10/2021 at 05:55:09
54 Posted 07/10/2021 at 07:27:52
55 Posted 07/10/2021 at 09:29:46
Pogba is playing wide left for them but they need a better ball distribution from midfield. Neither Fred nor McTominay provide that. Anyway, enough about that mob. I do agree I would like to see Van de Beek at Goodison though.
56 Posted 07/10/2021 at 10:33:57
I'm sure you probably maintain a far more attentive gaze on this end of the spectrum than I can bring to bear, so please let us know if you think something comes up that is worth a rumour-mill discussion thread.
What of this Aussie lad at Stoke City – Harry Souttar, for example? Doesn't look like anyone has been drawn to that story in The Sun...
57 Posted 07/10/2021 at 19:14:47
I still like Harry Winks though.
58 Posted 07/10/2021 at 19:38:10
59 Posted 07/10/2021 at 20:01:50
Whether he has the stamina for the Premier League; we'll only see if he plays regularly.
60 Posted 08/10/2021 at 14:02:36
We needed a centre half - enquiry made for Rojo. We needed a keeper - enquiry made for Romero. We now need a centre-mid – enquiry made for Van de Beek. Enough of shite from Man United!! A 9-year-old could come up with these players for us!
Where are the gems our DOF is supposed to find? Where's his little black book of contacts? Where's the coordinated strategy to avoid us having to do mad scrambles on deadline day to get Man Utd reserves?
61 Posted 08/10/2021 at 15:26:02
He's gone on to have a decent enough career at Hearts, but has obviously not quite broken through to the top ranks. Not seen much of Harry myself but, at 6'-6", it seems that, when I do, I will struggle to miss him.
62 Posted 08/10/2021 at 19:08:18
63 Posted 08/10/2021 at 22:30:36
The Man Utd fans on their biggest independent fans forum certainly think differently about McTominay, he is rated a squad player at best by them.
Keep up the good work on the kick around pitch though!
64 Posted 11/10/2021 at 19:37:31
65 Posted 12/10/2021 at 06:55:43
Are we going back to the Koeman & Walsh days with that wishlist, bud? Three No 10s? Sigurdsson, Klaassen and Rooney all day long for me... :)
Wow, if only we could turn back the clock, find out who rubber-stamped that splurge and punch them in the face. Mind you, I wouldn't mind Lingard at a reduced fee in January.
66 Posted 12/10/2021 at 08:00:59
Real Madrid did it quite a few times, getting rid of top players to bring in their latest Galactico, and whilst the top players flourished elsewhere, the same could not always be said for the Galicticos.
I think Brands spoke about his fellow countryman just to remind us that he's still here, but this type of loan deal makes sense; I'd be surprised to see Everton spending much money in January.
67 Posted 12/10/2021 at 08:45:31
We would either be solving a problem for them OR
We would be being “sold a pup”.
They aren't going to strengthen the opposition.
So that rules Donny van de Beek out for me. Next!
68 Posted 12/10/2021 at 09:59:27
We'd all be pleased to have Livramento and Lamptey, I expect.
Same principle applies to the bloated squads and B teams of Bayern, Inter, Barca and Real.
69 Posted 12/10/2021 at 11:32:01
When I do a quick mental run of our most successful forays into the transfer market in the last 20 years or so the only one who I would put in that category (exceptional from a Top 6 club) would be Lukaku (begrudgingly grits teeth).
On the other hand, you have older players deemed to be past their best and youngsters who are on the up or haven't made the grade with clubs lower down the pecking order than us or European clubs.
There for me is the template – a blend of youth and experience. I think we should stick with what works.
Footnote: I think we did alright with Digne and Mina from Barca – but we were no threat to them.
70 Posted 12/10/2021 at 12:32:51
Perhaps the more important thing is who to avoid. Like I say, we don't want average players who have plateaued or hit a downward trajectory but have high wage demands.
People like Schneiderlin in the past or the likes of Bailly now.
Or expensive signings who have already peaked at below the level we're aiming for – like Sigurdsson or Keane.
71 Posted 12/10/2021 at 12:55:04
72 Posted 12/10/2021 at 13:15:46
What do you make of the regular Aaron Ramsey rumours? I've always liked the player as he is goals-from-midfield material as well as having a good engine. Always seems to pop up in the right place at the right time.
On the downside, he is almost 31, will want a huge salary, seems to me to get injured often, will be playing many games for Wales which will exacerbate this.
I'm not sure about this one. On balance, I think he would be an asset to the club on the right wage deal, especially if we could counter it by moving on a couple of our unproductive midfielders.
Anyway, I can see him going to Newcastle on big money as we won't pay it.
73 Posted 12/10/2021 at 13:48:22
The trouble is financial. As you say his wages will be high even if the fee is not. The only chance might be a loan. Personally I'm not sure it'd be worth it because of the injury record which you would not expect to get any better for someone who's been playing first-team football since he was 16.
We don't need to sign these sorts of players. A try-before-you-buy loan for Van de Beek makes more sense. He could be a key part of the side for 5 to 8 years or more, as opposed to a bit-part player when fit for the next 2 or maybe 3 years.
To me, Ramsey looks nailed on to sign for Newcastle. He's worth the risk for them and they can afford it.
74 Posted 12/10/2021 at 16:01:18
Second, "I can see him going to Newcastle on big money as we wont pay it."
If such signings are the Saudi group letting Newcastle supporters know, "A new Sharif is in town", I'm all for it.
On the other hand, Bruce looks to be out and Antonio Conte is home sitting on his hands. There's no doubt that they can throw all the wages and transfer funds at him he'd demand. Hope his ego won't accept going to that club.
75 Posted 12/10/2021 at 23:00:31
Robert - Howard and Neville should have made my list - they both brought leadership qualities to the team.
Whoever is doing the recruitment for us over the next 3 years has got to get it right because we definitely won't be shopping at Harrod's. We will have to leave that to Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, and now Newcastle.
Personally after the shemozzle of the last few years I am not bothered about that. Gray is a fantastic signing and who would have thought Townsend would be a better acquisition than Rodriguez? I love a bargain.
76 Posted 13/10/2021 at 16:55:41
We have a brick shithouse in Gbamin... Enough said.
77 Posted 14/10/2021 at 06:49:47
Clearly Everton have more pressing issues to spend their limited transfer pot on, so I can't see this happening.
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